Shooting on Live TV: Reporter and Cameraman dead

[iamgine]

And these dead reporters might not be angels themselves. I mean Allison seems to make racist comment a lot and Adam reported a dude to HR after just working with him only one time. Who does that!?

[CavaliersFTW]

And these dead reporters might not be angels themselves. I mean Allison seems to make racist comment a lot and Adam reported a dude to HR after just working with him only one time. Who does that!?
So we're going to take the vengeful deluded murderer's word on this when his track record is a person who's been let go from multiple jobs for being conflict seeking? Yeah seems like a level headed dude on race issues being that he "accepted" Dylann Roof's "race war challenge" and claimed he talked to God himself. I can't possibly see how he'd ever do anything worthy of reporting to HR... It's not like he's the type that would snap and end up murdering anyone... oh wait :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

What's your point? Does it need to be explained to you in detail the disparity in the American culture as it pertains to why black vs white crime is reported the way it is?


Or is this a concept you can't accept and are crying about it?


Yes, there are elements that make those two cases similar but you're going to directly compare one case (this one) in which the the guy had direct ties to these people as far as a personal problem due to WHATEVER he thought went down at his former job and various other animosity (his view toward whites) ...you're going to compare that to a situation where some kid had zero ties to the people he killed in that church other than them being black and in the wrong place at the wrong time? He solely killed them not because of some disgruntled feelings but because he wanted to simply kill blacks



These cases are not exactly similar
Were both of these killers "racist"? Sure, but I don't think that was the driving factor of why they did what they did.

I think these people are really driven by being mentally unwell. They both have these delusions of "starting a race war." Their mental states lend themselves to paranoid delusions and honestly, the media's recent racial demagoguing campaign gives them a paranoid delusion to latch on to and act out on.

[I<3NBA]

it seems like the shooter suffered from paranoia.

[Nick Young]

And these dead reporters might not be angels themselves. I mean Allison seems to make racist comment a lot and Adam reported a dude to HR after just working with him only one time. Who does that!?
Why do you always justify murder and shootings? Is that your gimmick? Get a new one.

[dude77]

this was a racist hate crime by definition .. this guy's manifesto is all over talking about it .. yet cnn didn't mention race ONCE today .. it was all about mental illness .. in fact, I don't think I've ever heard any black on white crime be called a hate crime .. they almost have to be dragged, kicking and screaming while having their teeth pulled to admit that some @#@# committed a hate crime against whitey

[KnittingRyu]

this was a racist hate crime by definition .. this guy's manifesto is all over talking about it .. yet cnn didn't mention race ONCE today .. it was all about mental illness .. in fact, I don't think I've ever heard any black on white crime be called a hate crime .. they almost have to be dragged, kicking and screaming while having their teeth pulled to admit that some @#@# committed a hate crime against whitey

Even though race was a motivator (his letter about Roofe's killing), he specifically targeted the 2 because of negative past interactions with them, not because they were white.

[longtime lurker]

[QUOTE=UK2K][B]In the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says

[UK2K]

I like how you conveniently leave out the fact that he mentions he was bullied for being gay and bullied by black men. You have to be one twisted piece of shit to equate this with Dylan Roof who specifically targeted a historically black church to send a message. Yes race was a factor but it wasn't the only factor since he targeted two former coworkers who he had beef with. I know critical thinking hurts your tiny brain, but people like you and the regular stooges like Chewing and dudette77 are looking foolish salivating at the mouth trying to turn this into a war on white people

I said it wasn't the only factor, pages ago.

So take your faux outrage somewhere else.

He specifically mentioned accepting the challenge of a race war.

Sorry if you can't see that.

[UK2K]

What's your point? Does it need to be explained to you in detail the disparity in the American culture as it pertains to why black vs white crime is reported the way it is?


Or is this a concept you can't accept and are crying about it?


Yes, there are elements that make those two cases similar but you're going to directly compare one case (this one) in which the the guy had direct ties to these people as far as a personal problem due to WHATEVER he thought went down at his former job and various other animosity (his view toward whites) ...you're going to compare that to a situation where some kid had zero ties to the people he killed in that church other than them being black and in the wrong place at the wrong time? He solely killed them not because of some disgruntled feelings but because he wanted to simply kill blacks



These cases are not exactly similar

Excuses started with the second sentence. Bravo.

Here watch me compare the two...

Racist? Check. ****ed up in the head? Check. Specifically mentioned race? Check.

See that was easy. I know its eating you up inside to see a black racist, but, they do exist. Just like white racists exist and brown and yellow and blue racists exist. This guy was one of them. End of story.

[Dresta]

There are lots of similarities between Dylan Roof and this guy, so much so, that not recognising it can only be a kind of wilful blindness, of the sort very often practiced the hypocritical double-standard machines on here that like to call themselves 'liberal.'

Both easily deluded by media propaganda? Check.

Both harbouring victim complexes? Check.

Both severely mentally disturbed? Check. (and lol @ the losers trying to say Brycie was 'mentally ill' and Roof 'jus a racis' - they are/were both mentally deranged, but in a way consistent with their paranoid characters, so neither of their acts are excused by this empty trope).

Wrote manifestos justifying their disgraceful acts? Talked about race wars? Brycie engraving the initials of Dylan's victims on the bullets? Check. Check. Check.

I mean, how are people denying a link here, when the shooter himself drew that link, and seems to have made up his mind to do something after that incident? Basically, the masochistic losers of ISHs, are unwilling to admit that the constant victimisation narrative they are incessantly forcing down everyone's throats, is inherently destructive, and drives many people to violence, and some to commit megalomaniacal acts murder. It's not really that complicated: what does telling millions of people that they are hopeless victims lead to? Resentment. And what does resentment, infused on a mass-scale breed? Hostility, envy, anger, and a desire for revenge.

It takes a complete ignorance of the workings of human nature not to recognise this very simple and logical point, but what can you do? Most human beings are delusional morons, unwilling to admit even their own motivations, and ISHs is littered with examples of that. This thread is littered with poor saplings in denial.

[UK2K]

There are lots of similarities between Dylan Roof and this guy, so much so, that not recognising it can only be a kind of wilful blindness, of the sort very often practiced the hypocritical double-standard machines on here that like to call themselves 'liberal.'

Both easily deluded by media propaganda? Check.

Both harbouring victim complexes? Check.

Both severely mentally disturbed? Check. (and lol @ the losers trying to say Brycie was 'mentally ill' and Roof 'jus a racis' - they are/were both mentally deranged, but in a way consistent with their paranoid characters, so neither of their acts are excused by this empty trope).

Wrote manifestos justifying their disgraceful acts? Talked about race wars? Brycie engraving the initials of Dylan's victims on the bullets? Check. Check. Check.

I mean, how are people denying a link here, when the shooter himself drew that link, and seems to have made up his mind to do something after that incident? Basically, the masochistic losers of ISHs, are unwilling to admit that the constant victimisation narrative they are incessantly forcing down everyone's throats, is inherently destructive, and drives many people to violence, and some to commit megalomaniacal acts murder. It's not really that complicated: what does telling millions of people that they are hopeless victims lead to? Resentment. And what does resentment, infused on a mass-scale breed? Hostility, envy, anger, and a desire for revenge.

It takes a complete ignorance of the workings of human nature not to recognise this very simple and logical point, but what can you do? Most human beings are delusional morons, unwilling to admit even their own motivations, and ISHs is littered with examples of that. This thread is littered with poor saplings in denial.

Specifically mentioned him by name.

But the liberals on ISH will defend this guy to the death, because it makes them look bad. While on the other hand, the rest of freely admit both shooters were racists, and crazy.

[longtime lurker]

I said it wasn't the only factor, pages ago.

So take your faux outrage somewhere else.

He specifically mentioned accepting the challenge of a race war.

Sorry if you can't see that.

He mentions a race war but then go shoots two former coworkers that he had personal problems with. That's as relevant as the idiot who mentioned Michael Brown before shooting his girlfriend AND 2 cops. Dylan Roof purposely drove miles out of his way to kill a historically black church, six strangers that he prayed with before killing. I know losers like you are always seeking out some kind of quid pro quo to make it seem like racism isn't heavily skewed to one side but this is just pathetic that you're reaching trying to make it out like some war against white people. The conversation should be about mental illness and gun control.

[HitandRun Reggie]

I know losers like you are always seeking out some kind of quid pro quo to make it seem like racism isn't heavily skewed to one side but this is just pathetic that you're reaching trying to make it out like some war against white people

Some polls suggest the black people actually consider themselves more racist than they do whites.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Is "longtime lurker" trying to be ironic? After killing the female journalist and her camera man, he specifically states (twitter) she made racial comments. Verbatim: "Alison Parker made racist comments."

Along with the SC church killings, which "tipped him over the edge", he felt marginalized because of his race. Yeah he was mentally unstable, but so was the kid in Charleston. This double named, off-the-hinge murder was in large part motivated by racial hatred. Clearly.

[UK2K]

He mentions a race war but then go shoots two former coworkers that he had personal problems with. That's as relevant as the idiot who mentioned Michael Brown before shooting his girlfriend AND 2 cops. Dylan Roof purposely drove miles out of his way to kill a historically black church, six strangers that he prayed with before killing. I know losers like you are always seeking out some kind of quid pro quo to make it seem like racism isn't heavily skewed to one side but this is just pathetic that you're reaching trying to make it out like some war against white people. The conversation should be about mental illness and gun control.


Keep deflecting and denying.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Is "longtime lurker" trying to be ironic? After killing the female journalist and her camera man, he specifically states (twitter) she made racial comments. Verbatim: "Alison Parker made racist comments."

Along with the SC church killings, which "tipped him over the edge", he felt marginalized because of his race. Yeah he was mentally unstable, but so was the kid in Charleston. This double named, off-the-hinge murder was in large part motivated by racial hatred. Clearly.

And just to add, the station also investigated his 'racial marginalization' bs and they found nothing to support his claim. Not only that, but he filed the SAME complaint years prior at another station, and they too...found nothing.

The guy was a delusional nutjob who was obsessed with race.

[Patrick Chewing]

I know critical thinking hurts your tiny brain, but people like you and the regular stooges like Chewing and dudette77 are looking foolish salivating at the mouth trying to turn this into a war on white people


Dude, I have not talked about race on here at all. If you're gonna enter the game late, at least read the playbook.

[9erempiree]

We've been in this thread when the incident first happened. I love all the Johnny Coming Latelys failing to read this thread in its entirety before making their stupid comments.

[BurningHammer]

To think of it, was that lady really 20 something? She looked 30-40-ish.

[UK2K]

To think of it, was that lady really 20 something? She looked 30-40-ish.

That was my thought too. Glad someone else noticed.

[NumberSix]

Is "longtime lurker" trying to be ironic? After killing the female journalist and her camera man, he specifically states (twitter) she made racial comments. Verbatim: "Alison Parker made racist comments."

Along with the SC church killings, which "tipped him over the edge", he felt marginalized because of his race. Yeah he was mentally unstable, but so was the kid in Charleston. This double named, off-the-hinge murder was in large part motivated by racial hatred. Clearly.
I actually don't agree.

Both these murderers are clearly unstable. Paranoid delusions. I think the racial paranoia (race war nonsense) is just something they both happened to latch onto and festered in an already delusional, paranoid mind. If it wasn't that, it would have been something else. If not racial paranoia, it might have been radical islam, extremist politics, anti-police sentiment, anti-women sentiment, etc...

Both of these guys would have eventually found some "reason" to kill people who they thought were "against" them.

[warriorfan]

You guys are arguing over nothing. In the grand scheme of things does it really matter if the shooter was racist, mentally ill, or a combination of both? It was an awful event, the guy was a piece, it's over. Some of your guy's obsession with constantly trying to tack on every negative thing you can on a certain race is truly insane behavior.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I actually don't agree.

Both these murderers are clearly unstable. Paranoid delusions. I think the racial paranoia (race war nonsense) is just something they both happened to latch onto and festered in an already delusional, paranoid mind. If it wasn't that, it would have been something else. If not racial paranoia, it might have been radical islam, extremist politics, anti-police sentiment, anti-women sentiment, etc...

Both of these guys would have eventually found some "reason" to kill people who they thought were "against" them.

You're probably right about the bold.

Their mental stability, or lack there of, helped manifest the crazed race obsession. That's all I'm really saying.

[UK2K]

You're probably right about the bold.

Their mental stability, or lack there of, helped manifest the crazed race obsession. That's all I'm really saying.

I think anyone who takes the time to plan out a 23 page suicide note, inscribe initials on the bullet tips, purchase a gun, and then wait until she was on live TV is not mentally unstable.

I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He just bought into the propaganda, just like the Charleston shooter, just like the Boston bombers.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I think anyone who takes the time to plan out a 23 page suicide note, inscribe initials on the bullet tips, purchase a gun, and then wait until she was on live TV is not mentally unstable.

I think he knew exactly what he was doing. He just bought into the propaganda, just like the Charleston shooter, just like the Boston bombers.

Thing is, countless people at his previous jobs thought he was crazy and EXTREMELY difficult to work with. He was also released from one station because of "odd behavior".

Look at the video showing him during a road rage incident... The guy was off his rocker.

[UK2K]

Thing is, countless people at his previous jobs thought he was crazy and EXTREMELY difficult to work with. He was also released from one station because of "odd behavior".

Look at the video showing him during a road rage incident... The guy was off his rocker.

He wore a president Obama badge during an election report.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

[9erempiree]

Fvck that gunman. May he rot in hell's hell.

[Lensanity]

He wore a president Obama badge during an election report.

He knew exactly what he was doing.
Racist black Obama supporter. Surprise surprise.

[longtime lurker]

Is "longtime lurker" trying to be ironic? After killing the female journalist and her camera man, he specifically states (twitter) she made racial comments. Verbatim: "Alison Parker made racist comments."

And he also killed the camera man because he reported him to Hr. The claims of the woman being racist to him could be completely fabricated because it's his word against everyone else's. He didn't kill random white people he targeted two specific people he had a personal issue with. He also mentions being bullied by black men, if there had been a black guy around he would have gotten killed too.


with the SC church killings, which "tipped him over the edge", he felt marginalized because of his race. Yeah he was mentally unstable, but so was the kid in Charleston. This double named, off-the-hinge murder was in large part motivated by racial hatred. Clearly.

The SC shooter was fed a steady dose of right wing bullshit and said the same garbage I've the resident racists on ISH say. He was a high school drop out that projected his failures on black people. He believed the garbage that he saw in right wing news and chose to drive 70 miles out of his way to target random black people in a historically black church. He wanted to send a message not settle a personal beef with a black person. It's a combination of right wing racism, mental illness and access to guns.

And keep in mind I'm in no way trying to justify the shooter or diminish his act but I'll gladly rebut posters who use this to justify their own dillusions that "black people are more racist than white people" . The only reason I'm even responding to you is that you're a reasonable poster. Call this guy a terrorist, call him a racist I don't really give a shit but I see through the agendas.

[KNOW1EDGE]

So this horribly racist black man who killed 2 innocent white people out of frustration and retaliation to those black church shootings, its not racist?

But when a white cop gets attacked by a black criminal and is forced to shoot we burn down our fuhcking communities and yell "racism"

Just stop. That sh1t is so retarded I don't even think you believe it.

[longtime lurker]

So this horribly racist black man who killed 2 innocent white people out of frustration and retaliation to those black church shootings, its not racist?

But when a white cop gets attacked by a black criminal and is forced to shoot we burn down our fuhcking communities and yell "racism"

Just stop. That sh1t is so retarded I don't even think you believe it.

Lol yeah you just make up whatever suits your demented reality. Might as well move to Sweden with this white genocide going on.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

And he also killed the camera man because he reported him to Hr. The claims of the woman being racist to him could be completely fabricated because it's his word against everyone else's. He didn't kill random white people he targeted two specific people he had a personal issue with. He also mentions being bullied by black men, if there had been a black guy around he would have gotten killed too.



The SC shooter was fed a steady dose of right wing bullshit and said the same garbage I've the resident racists on ISH say. He was a high school drop out that projected his failures on black people. He believed the garbage that he saw in right wing news and chose to drive 70 miles out of his way to target random black people in a historically black church. He wanted to send a message not settle a personal beef with a black person. It's a combination of right wing racism, mental illness and access to guns.

And keep in mind I'm in no way trying to justify the shooter or diminish his act but I'll gladly rebut posters who use this to justify their own dillusions that "black people are more racist than white people" . The only reason I'm even responding to you is that you're a reasonable poster. Call this guy a terrorist, call him a racist I don't really give a shit but I see through the agendas.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think anybody has said that here. At least not the posters you are beefing with.

The guy was clearly racist, but I also agree with you its a different MO than the church killings because this shooter actually had "personal ties" to the people he gunned down.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Lol yeah you just make up whatever suits your demented reality. Might as well move to Sweden with this white genocide going on.

Um ok. Just deflect then I guess.

Was I incorrect? Or the reality of the situation doesn't fit your agenda so you gotta deflect and try to mock me instead of addressing the facts of the matter? Proceed my good man.

[NumberSix]

And keep in mind I'm in no way trying to justify the shooter or diminish his act but I'll gladly rebut posters who use this to justify their own dillusions that "black people are more racist than white people" . The only reason I'm even responding to you is that you're a reasonable poster. Call this guy a terrorist, call him a racist I don't really give a shit but I see through the agendas.
White people are not racist and neither are black people. These are matters of individual character.

[Raymone]

Lol at longtime lurker trying to claim this shares no similarities or connection with the Charleston shooting.

[KnittingRyu]

He wore a president Obama badge during an election report.

He knew exactly what he was doing.
Are you constantly full of shit?

[UK2K]

Are you constantly full of shit?

Am I lying?

Or are you just upset that his admiration for Obama is coming out now?

[KnittingRyu]

Am I lying?

Or are you just upset that his admiration for Obama is coming out now?

Him endorsing Obama and him doing this shit have nothing to do with each other. That is the part that makes you full of shit.

[warriorfan]

Why would a 6'3'' 250 pound man need a gun to kill those 3 people? He could of easily done it with a baseball bat.

If the guy didn't have access to a gun he would of still killed those people. This isn't a gun issue.

[NumberSix]

The killer was gay, so obviously the rainbow flag needs to be banned now.

[Patrick Chewing]

The killer was gay, so obviously the rainbow flag needs to be banned now.


That flag offends me, so yes. Needs to be gone.

[Droid101]

Why would a 6'3'' 250 pound man need a gun to kill those 3 people? He could of easily done it with a baseball bat.

If the guy didn't have access to a gun he would of still killed those people. This isn't a gun issue.
:lol

[plowking]

Wouldn't be a thread full of Americans if there wasn't people mocking the gun laws and those that think they should be monitored better, even after such an awful event. Gotta protect Merica' first!

The only country in the world where these things keep happening, and on such a public and personal level (in a shopping mall), and yet you seem to think more guns is the answer.

[oh the horror]

Wouldn't be a thread full of Americans if there wasn't people mocking the gun laws and those that think they should be monitored better, even after such an awful event. Gotta protect Merica' first!

The only country in the world where these things keep happening, and on such a public and personal level (in a shopping mall), and yet you seem to think more guns is the answer.



Quiet before we go all manifest destiny on your country with our guns.

[Bankaii]

Why would a 6'3'' 250 pound man need a gun to kill those 3 people? He could of easily done it with a baseball bat.

If the guy didn't have access to a gun he would of still killed those people. This isn't a gun issue.
Literally no one can be this stupid. I refuse to believe it's possible.

[warriorfan]

Literally no one can be this stupid. I refuse to believe it's possible.

Full grown men can bash someone's head in with one swing. To be honest I think he would of killed all 3 much faster and efficiently using a Louisville slugger rather than missing half a dozen shots at point blank range and supposedly having to chase down the female reporter.

[Bankaii]

Full grown men can bash someone's head in with one swing. To be honest I think he would of killed all 3 much faster and efficiently using a Louisville slugger rather than missing half a dozen shots at point blank range and supposedly having to chase down the female reporter.
Please stop you're making yourself look worse.
The lady took off after getting shot in like 3 seconds. You really think a guy carrying around a bat is less obvious than a somewhat concealed gun?

[KNOW1EDGE]

Literally no one can be this stupid. I refuse to believe it's possible.

Simon, seriously, stfu.

[9erempiree]

Surely you guys are not retarded enough to think that a gun is the only way to kill someone right?

[warriorfan]

Please stop you're making yourself look worse.
The lady took off after getting shot in like 3 seconds. You really think a guy carrying around a bat is less obvious than a somewhat concealed gun?

:biggums:

Did you even watch the video? He was literally waving a gun around when he was closer than 5 feet away to the victims. That is about as obvious as it gets. He could of had a samurai sword in his hands and they wouldn't of noticed.

Even if we play your game that it would be too noticeable to walk down a deserted peir at 6 in the morning with a baseball bat....

Batton? Hammer? Pick your poison. Dude could of taken them all out with any blunt object in less time that it took him to do it with a gun.

This isn't a gun issue.

[Bankaii]

Simon, seriously, stfu.
Wrong person, dumbass.

[Bankaii]

Surely you guys are not retarded enough to think that a gun is the only way to kill someone right?
Surely you aren't retarded enough to think a bat is equal to a gun, right?

[Bankaii]

:biggums:

Did you even watch the video? He was literally waving a gun around when he was closer than 5 feet away to the victims. That is about as obvious as it gets. He could of had a samurai sword in his hands and they wouldn't of noticed.

Even if we play your game that it would be too noticeable to walk down a deserted peir at 6 in the morning with a baseball bat....

Batton? Hammer? Pick your poison. Dude could of taken them all out with any blunt object in less time that it took him to do it with a gun.

This isn't a gun issue.
You don't know what literally means. He never waived the gun around, it was in obvious sight tho.
And no, he couldn't. If you're really arguing that killing with a close range weapon is equivalent to using a gun, there's no hope for you.

[Patrick Chewing]

Surely you guys are not retarded enough to think that a gun is the only way to kill someone right?


Don't call me Shirley.

[warriorfan]

You don't know what literally means. He never waived the gun around, it was in obvious sight tho.
And no, he couldn't. If you're really arguing that killing with a close range weapon is equivalent to using a gun, there's no hope for you.

Did you watch the video? Did you see him miss the first 3 shots as the young woman got to run away? If he was using a blunt object he would of smashed the cameraman in the back of the head, smashed her in the head, and if he wanted to he could of ran down the old lady and smashed her as well. A gun is a better weapon than a blunt object if you have the proper training, however it was quite obvious the shooter had little to no training at all. He missed his first 3 shots at a distance of 5 feet. In that time he could of easily incapacitated the two News Anchors, and probably chase down the old lady as well.

Gun or no gun, those people on the pier that day were doomed. If you want to try to stop a future killing like this by taking away weapons then we better start confiscating all heavy objects that can be held in your hand.

[SCREWstonRockets]

This isn't a gun issue lol

Its much easier for a coward to pull a trigger and kill three people, than it would be to kill 3 people with a bat. Huge difference in killing somebody with an automatic weapon and manually killing a person.

Not saying we should ban guns but to dismiss guns altogether and saying it doesn't play a role is just ignorant.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Nobody is claiming a gun wasn't involved.

Some are just noting the blaringly obvious fact that the gun was just a tool in a racist killers hands, and had a gun not been available, he would have simply chose a dif tool to get the job done.

Blame the racist, mentally-ill phaggit who killed 2 people. Not the tool the f@g chose

[warriorfan]

This isn't a gun issue lol

Its much easier for a coward to pull a trigger and kill three people, than it would be to kill 3 people with a bat. Huge difference in killing somebody with an automatic weapon and manually killing a person.

Not saying we should ban guns but to dismiss guns altogether and saying it doesn't play a role is just ignorant.

So you are saying if Bryce Williams couldn't get to a gun no one would of been killed?

Nope.

This would of happened with or with out guns. It's not relevant to the discussion and it's not right to tell this news story and then attempt to segue into pro gun control rhetoric.

In the case of Sandy Hook, guns did make that possible. A 100 pound autistic kid wouldn't been able to slay 20+ people with out the use of firearms. In this case it is appropriate to use this story as support for pro gun control if you choose.

Back to the Virginia Shooting. Guns did not enable this from happening. If a 6'3'' 250+ pound man wanted a 100 pound woman to be dead, it was going to happen whether the invention of gunpowder ever took place or didn't. This story is not relevant to gun control debates.

[KnittingRyu]

Surely you guys are not retarded enough to think that a gun is the only way to kill someone right?

The guy would have had a much more difficult time killing both without a gun.

[SCREWstonRockets]

Did you watch the video? Did you see him miss the first 3 shots as the young woman got to run away? If he was using a blunt object he would of smashed the cameraman in the back of the head, smashed her in the head, and if he wanted to he could of ran down the old lady and smashed her as well. A gun is a better weapon than a blunt object if you have the proper training, however it was quite obvious the shooter had little to no training at all. He missed his first 3 shots at a distance of 5 feet. In that time he could of easily incapacitated the two News Anchors, and probably chase down the old lady as well.

Gun or no gun, those people on the pier that day were doomed. If you want to try to stop a future killing like this by taking away weapons then we better start confiscating all heavy objects that can be held in your hand.

Dude, you can't be serious. You think he could have did the same amount of damage in the same amount of time, with a bat? Swinging a bat alone already takes longer than pulling a trigger. And I guess we are going to assume he doesn't swing like a sissy, instead hes KC Jones from TMNT and does one hit kills? Alright man.


So you are saying if Bryce Williams couldn't get to a gun no one would of been killed?

Nope.

This would of happened with or with out guns. It's not relevant to the discussion and it's not right to tell this news story and then attempt to segue into pro gun control rhetoric.

In the case of Sandy Hook, guns did make that possible. A 100 pound autistic kid wouldn't been able to slay 20+ people with out the use of firearms. In this case it is appropriate to use this story as support for pro gun control if you choose.

Back to the Virginia Shooting. Guns did not enable this from happening. If a 6'3'' 250+ pound man wanted a 100 pound woman to be dead, it was going to happen whether the invention of gunpowder ever took place or didn't. This story is not relevant to gun control debates.

I think if he didn't have a gun, the story is much different. Maybe the results are the same, maybe not. I feel guns can gives cowards a false sense of power and confidence. Thats why they choose a gun, its easier. Why didn't Bryce just simply use a bat or knife? Was that punk man enough to beat himself or stab himself to death? Not likely. Sure as hell doesn't sound like he would have been man enough to go out in a "blaze of glory" or do the jail time.

Taking a gun out changes things, sometimes thats enough. I know I like my chances better if somebody came at me with a bat/knife vs a gun. And you brought up the sandy hook shootings. Is that not enough for you took take a look at changes regarding firearms? This shouldn't be a either/or situation between guns and mental health. Both should be discussed.

[Bankaii]

Did you watch the video? Did you see him miss the first 3 shots as the young woman got to run away? If he was using a blunt object he would of smashed the cameraman in the back of the head, smashed her in the head, and if he wanted to he could of ran down the old lady and smashed her as well. A gun is a better weapon than a blunt object if you have the proper training, however it was quite obvious the shooter had little to no training at all. He missed his first 3 shots at a distance of 5 feet. In that time he could of easily incapacitated the two News Anchors, and probably chase down the old lady as well.

Gun or no gun, those people on the pier that day were doomed. If you want to try to stop a future killing like this by taking away weapons then we better start confiscating all heavy objects that can be held in your hand.
Have you not read a single post in this thread? The female was hit before she ran away.
But you're seriously saying that a bat would be just as easy as a gun. You're an idiot.

[UK2K]

The guy would have had a much more difficult time killing both without a gun.

You can make a pipe bomb for like $15.

People argue 'guns are bad', like in the case of the CO theater shooter, but I couldn't imagine how much worse it would have been had he just rolled a few pipe bombs in there. Maybe throw a few small bags of chlorine onto the sides, and you've got a chemical bomb.

Anyone really wanting to do maximum damage would do their research. These guys just needed attention.

[UK2K]

[QUOTE]Flanagan, known on the air as Bryce Williams, murdered Parker and her cameraman Adam Ward on Wednesday on live television while they were reporting a story for WDBJ-TV in Virginia, and part of his reasoning involved words Parker used when interning for the station in 2012.

[AI Thornton]

You can make a pipe bomb for like $15.

People argue 'guns are bad', like in the case of the CO theater shooter, but I couldn't imagine how much worse it would have been had he just rolled a few pipe bombs in there. Maybe throw a few small bags of chlorine onto the sides, and you've got a chemical bomb.

Anyone really wanting to do maximum damage would do their research. These guys just needed attention.

A pipe bomb is way less effective at killing specific targets. The only way to guarantee killing one is the hug them while holding the bomb, but then you won't get the other. You throw the bomb, and both may run.

[warriorfan]

Have you not read a single post in this thread? The female was hit before she ran away.
But you're seriously saying that a bat would be just as easy as a gun. You're an idiot.

For one, there was zero evidence that the young lady took a bullet on camera.

For two. I don't know if you are very weak or non athletic but I could of wasted those 3 people on the pier in 5 seconds minimum, 15 seconds maximum with an aluminum baseball bat or your standard claw hammer.

You stand behind the camera man as he is panning his camera for 10 seconds or so like in the video. Wait for it, boom, give a smash to the back of the camera mans skull, you are in arms reach of the lady at that point if she tries to turn, take a step and smash her in the back of the head. At this point both of them are on the ground bleeding and incapacitated, If you really want to take out the old lady at this point, it's just you and her and you can do what you want. If you want to finish off the injured News Crew with the back of their skull's bashed in, you can do that. If you want to finish off all 3 you can do that too.

I apologize for the graphic description but it seems like some people just don't understand that it's possible to murder people with something other than a gun.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I don't believe we should be banning all guns, but you guys have a horrible argument. Take dropping a Nuke for example, you're saying Nukes aren't bad because America could have carpet bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead. Yea, a bat and knife could have killed them, it would have been way, way harder though.