America is built on exploitation, illegal immigration and aggressive take-overs.

[CavaliersFTW]

I get a chuckle out of conservatives moaning about how we need to "build a wall" on the border of Mexico and how impoverished peoples and criminals from Mexico migrating to the U.S. is a huge "problem"

:lol

White Americans bitching about immigration to this country is the cringiest and ugliest most privileged sounding shit I've ever heard. That white sheltered life of today started out as nothing but a bunch of filthy poor and illegal Italian, German and Irish trash barely scraping up a pathetic living after struggling under the boot heals of Europe and those same white families were once the unwanted filth trickling its way onto this land. If you want a Mexican wall built chances are you're a white American, and if you're a white American chances are your relatives murdered a bunch of legit Americans, stole their land, brought crime with them and even brought over slaves or stood idly by while it happened and now here you are 200 years later complaining that Mexicans want some of our land and opportunity for themselves or their children too? Shut the **** up. Your great great grandpappy made a living picking pockets and cutting throats in dark alleys of New York while working illegally for a low wage butcher shop and wouldn't hesitate to put a derrenger bullet between your eyes if it meant the difference between staying here in America or going "back" where he came from all while your great great grandmammy was working the street corner selling herself for a quick dime. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for actual ancestral Americans, no "wall" was built around the Atlantic coast to keep your illegal relatives out.

So why do we need to build a wall around Mexico again?

[warriorfan]

you should give white america the finger and convert to islam

[CavaliersFTW]

you should give white america the finger and convert to islam
Nah I'm good I just can't help but point out the hypocrisy. I mean.. Most conservative party Americans came from Europe and apparently that was cool but Mexicans can't do the same. Conservatives honestly believe they all got here "legally" and were legally and morally entitled to American land :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't know about you OP, but I like this America. I've seen the shitholes around us and I don't want this country turning into that. If that's what you want, I'll pay for your ticket.

[DeuceWallaces]

http://meetthematts.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Bill_the_Butcher_Iraq.jpg

UK and Patrick can fight over who gets to play Bill.

[NumberSix]

The United States had open borders until 1921. Mexicans stayed in Mexico even though it was completely legal to walk across the border into the United States. What changed?

[Nanners]

I get a chuckle out of conservatives moaning about how we need to "build a wall" on the border of Mexico and how impoverished peoples and criminals from Mexico migrating to the U.S. is a huge "problem"

:lol

White Americans bitching about immigration to this country is the cringiest and ugliest most privileged sounding shit I've ever heard. That white sheltered life of today started out as nothing but a bunch of filthy poor and illegal Italian, German and Irish trash barely scraping up a pathetic living after struggling under the boot heals of Europe and those same white families were once the unwanted filth trickling its way onto this land. If you want a Mexican wall built chances are you're a white American, and if you're a white American chances are your relatives murdered a bunch of legit Americans, stole their land, brought crime with them and even brought over slaves or stood idly by while it happened and now here you are 200 years later complaining that Mexicans want some of our land and opportunity for themselves or their children too? Shut the **** up. Your great great grandpappy made a living picking pockets and cutting throats in dark alleys of New York while working illegally for a low wage butcher shop and wouldn't hesitate to put a derrenger bullet between your eyes if it meant the difference between staying here in America or going "back" where he came from all while your great great grandmammy was working the street corner selling herself for a quick dime. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for actual ancestral Americans, no "wall" was built around the Atlantic coast to keep your illegal relatives out.

So why do we need to build a wall around Mexico again?

http://i.imgur.com/PHgVaBx.gif

[9erempiree]

Actually in this day and age....200 plus years ago is an eternity. While I still consider this country to still be in its infancy, we are mature for our age, in terms of our socioeconomic prowess. If we can get over these growing pains and protect our borders, shores and air we will prosper again.

Its time to for a new generation of Americans, doesn't matter the color, we need to protect what we have for a better future. If we let others walk over us, what will be left of us in the next 200 years? What we built will start to crumble if it hasn't already so. Look at the divide in our nation right now. We are in a decline and I can seriously say I don't mind leaving here and I am as patriotic as it gets. The sad thing is that my fellow Americans will be the reason why.

[DeuceWallaces]

Actually in this day and age....200 plus years ago is an eternity. While I still consider this country to still be in its infancy, we are mature for our age, in terms of our socioeconomic prowess. If we can get over these growing pains and protect our borders, shores and air we will prosper again.

Its time to for a new generation of Americans, doesn't matter the color, we need to protect what we have for a better future. If we let others walk over us, what will be left of us in the next 200 years? What we built will start to crumble if it hasn't already so. Look at the divide in our nation right now. We are in a decline and I can seriously say I don't mind leaving here and I am as patriotic as it gets. The sad thing is that my fellow Americans will be the reason why.

No one ever bothers reading anything you write so you might as well just stop.

[dude77]

I get a chuckle out of conservatives moaning about how we need to "build a wall" on the border of Mexico and how impoverished peoples and criminals from Mexico migrating to the U.S. is a huge "problem"

:lol

White Americans bitching about immigration to this country is the cringiest and ugliest most privileged sounding shit I've ever heard. That white sheltered life of today started out as nothing but a bunch of filthy poor and illegal Italian, German and Irish trash barely scraping up a pathetic living after struggling under the boot heals of Europe and those same white families were once the unwanted filth trickling its way onto this land. If you want a Mexican wall built chances are you're a white American, and if you're a white American chances are your relatives murdered a bunch of legit Americans, stole their land, brought crime with them and even brought over slaves or stood idly by while it happened and now here you are 200 years later complaining that Mexicans want some of our land and opportunity for themselves or their children too? Shut the **** up. Your great great grandpappy made a living picking pockets and cutting throats in dark alleys of New York while working illegally for a low wage butcher shop and wouldn't hesitate to put a derrenger bullet between your eyes if it meant the difference between staying here in America or going "back" where he came from all while your great great grandmammy was working the street corner selling herself for a quick dime. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for actual ancestral Americans, no "wall" was built around the Atlantic coast to keep your illegal relatives out.

So why do we need to build a wall around Mexico again?

this is a sovereign country .. hence it has borders and laws .. we have a law that says you are illegally in the country if you don't have the proper documentation .. some of you apparently want this place to be a free for all for anyone and everyone

[falc39]

Citizenship and nationality laws- something every modern country in the world has. Let's try not to forget that they exist.

[9erempiree]

this is a sovereign country .. hence it has borders and laws .. we have a law that says you are illegally in the country if you don't have the proper documentation .. some of you apparently want this place to be a free for all for anyone and everyone

Its time to turn our backyards into campgrounds. Lets see how that flies with them.:banana:

I'm sure Deuce will cook the marshmallows and sing Kumbaya. :lol

[9erempiree]

Citizenship and nationality laws- something every modern country in the world has. Let's try not to forget that they exist.

You're preaching to a bunch of idiots.

Remember, these guys are no different than the Sovereign Citizen Movement.:lol

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Under your line of thinking, the US might as well be the wild wild west. F*ck the law. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Laws don't apply to hippies like Deuce and the California contingent of ISH.

[brownmamba00]

Laws don't apply to hippies like Deuce and the California contingent of ISH.
you're like the uncle tom of latinos bruh. just stop.

[9erempiree]

you're like the uncle tom of latinos bruh. just stop.

Racist.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I get a chuckle out of conservatives moaning about how we need to "build a wall" on the border of Mexico and how impoverished peoples and criminals from Mexico migrating to the U.S. is a huge "problem"

:lol

White Americans bitching about immigration to this country is the cringiest and ugliest most privileged sounding shit I've ever heard. That white sheltered life of today started out as nothing but a bunch of filthy poor and illegal Italian, German and Irish trash barely scraping up a pathetic living after struggling under the boot heals of Europe and those same white families were once the unwanted filth trickling its way onto this land. If you want a Mexican wall built chances are you're a white American, and if you're a white American chances are your relatives murdered a bunch of legit Americans, stole their land, brought crime with them and even brought over slaves or stood idly by while it happened and now here you are 200 years later complaining that Mexicans want some of our land and opportunity for themselves or their children too? Shut the **** up. Your great great grandpappy made a living picking pockets and cutting throats in dark alleys of New York while working illegally for a low wage butcher shop and wouldn't hesitate to put a derrenger bullet between your eyes if it meant the difference between staying here in America or going "back" where he came from all while your great great grandmammy was working the street corner selling herself for a quick dime. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for actual ancestral Americans, no "wall" was built around the Atlantic coast to keep your illegal relatives out.

So why do we need to build a wall around Mexico again?

http://www.picgifs.com/reaction-gifs/reaction-gifs/clapping/picgifs-clapping-753279.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

you're like the uncle tom of latinos bruh. just stop.


Nah the Latinos on here are an embarrassment to me. Like if we're all supposed to think alike and defend the Mexican illegal immigrant. Man, I don't care about Mexicans, Colombians, Chinese, Whites, Blacks, anyone for that matter. I care about my friends and my immediate family. For me to give a shit about Maria and Julio crossing the border because we share some ancestral heritage possibly is preposterous to me. That kind of thinking is why Black America is in the shape that it's in. When people like Ben Carson get called Uncle Tom, you know this country is ****ed.

I think God blessed us all with a brain to think for ourselves, yet a majority of us do not use it.

[CavaliersFTW]

Under your line of thinking, the US might as well be the wild wild west. F*ck the law. :oldlol:
You mean that piece of land the ancestors of the people who want a wall built stole by lethal force from actual Americans many of whom were also forcefully pushed that way via the Indian removal act?

Citizenship laws are fine. Every person *should* apply for citizenship. But we don't live in a perfect world and it isn't going to happen. People need to just accept that. Building a physical wall is straight up ridiculous and a monumental waste of resources. :oldlol:

[NumberSix]

Under your line of thinking, the US might as well be the wild wild west. F*ck the law. :oldlol:
And people say I'm ridiculous when I say the left is pro-lawlessness. It's true. They are.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You mean that piece of land the ancestors of the people who want a wall built stole by lethal force from actual Americans many of whom were also forcefully pushed that way via the Indian removal act?

Citizenship laws are fine. Every person *should* apply for citizenship. But we don't live in a perfect world and it isn't going to happen. People need to just accept that. Building a physical wall is straight up ridiculous and a monumental waste of resources. :oldlol:

So basically every nations original ancestor? Not sure what bringing up the past, a past without NO laws has to do with anything?

How fair is it to the legal immigrant (my grandparents were LEGAL immigrants) who did it right? Ask any of them what and how it is done and they will say it is a fair way. It is done to protect all Americans and was put together many years ago for MANY good reasons. That whole immigration process has been tried and tested and has worked for years - it only became a problem when illegals misused it and abused it.

All countries have immigration laws (and are trying to find ways to make them stronger) and nobody is trying to change theirs just because illegals don't like them.

[CavaliersFTW]

And people say I'm ridiculous when I say the left is pro-lawlessness. It's true. They are.
Don't lump me into some group "left" or "right.

The laws are fine. A wall however, is ****ing stupid.

[NumberSix]

You mean that piece of land the ancestors of the people who want a wall built stole by lethal force from actual Americans many of whom were also forcefully pushed that way via the Indian removal act?

Citizenship laws are fine. Every person *should* apply for citizenship. But we don't live in a perfect world and it isn't going to happen. People need to just accept that. Building a physical wall is straight up ridiculous and a monumental waste of resources. :oldlol:
That's your opinion. This is why we have something called "elections" where ideas are presented and the people vote to elect people with the ideas that most people agree with.

If you think its a bad idea, vote for someone that doesn't advocate that.

[9erempiree]

So basically every nations original ancestor? Not sure what bringing up the past, a past without a civil society and NO laws has to do with anything.

How fair is it to the legal immigrant (my grandparents are immigrants) who did it right? Ask any of them what and how it is done and they will say it is a fair way. It is done to protect all Americans and was put together many years ago for many good reasons. That whole immigration process has been tried and tested and worked for years - it only became a problem when illegals misused it and abused it.

All countries have immigration laws (and are trying to find ways to make them stronger) and nobody is trying to change theirs just because illegals don't like them.

Racist.

[CavaliersFTW]

So basically every nations original ancestor? Not sure what bringing up the past, a past without a civil society and NO laws has to do with anything.

How fair is it to the legal immigrant (my grandparents are immigrants) who did it right? Ask any of them what and how it is done and they will say it is a fair way. It is done to protect all Americans and was put together many years ago for many good reasons. That whole immigration process has been tried and tested and worked for years - it only became a problem when illegals misused it and abused it.

All countries have immigration laws (and are trying to find ways to make them stronger) and nobody is trying to change theirs just because illegals don't like them.
Again. Laws = / = Building a wall.

How many countries build physical walls between their borders? I can think of one, the former Soviet Union :oldlol:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Again. Laws = / = Building a wall.

How many countries build physical walls between their borders? I can think of one, the former Soviet Union :oldlol:

Why would that matter if its simply trying to prevent illegal immigrants?

[9erempiree]

Not sure if people know what they are arguing about here?

Illegal immigrants is not the same as immigrants.

Nobody said anything about not letting people in. Just the ones doing it illegally. There is no argument for illegal immigration. These same people are better off agreeing we should not build a wall and find alternatives against illegal immigration.

[CavaliersFTW]

Not sure if people know what they are arguing about here?

Illegal immigrants is not the same as immigrants.

Nobody said anything about not letting people in. Just the ones doing it illegally. There is no argument for illegal immigration. These same people are better off agreeing we should not build a wall and find alternatives against illegal immigration.
Yup, well aware of the difference. I think the solutions should be more aimed towards helping people acquire citizenship and less of the crochety old man "keep off my lawn!" attitude. People assuming border jumpers have got a clue about American law? They're just desperate to leave Mexico. Here's a thought; the money intended to be used for building a thousand mile wall is instead used in legal citizenship acquisition programs to help those who wish to live here but never had a clue how to do it "legally".

'GAHHHH NO THAT WOULD BE HELPING THEM!'

[9erempiree]

Yup, well aware of the difference. I think the solutions should be more aimed towards helping people acquire citizenship and less of the crochety old man "keep off my lawn!" attitude. People assuming border jumpers have got a clue about American law? They're just desperate to leave Mexico. Here's a thought; the money intended to be used for building a thousand mile wall is instead used in legal citizenship acquisition programs to help those who wish to live here but never had a clue how to do it "legally".

'GAHHHH NO THAT WOULD BE HELPING THEM!'

Well, that's the big picture bro. Stop illegals from coming in and help them gain citizenship. Do you honestly think that we actually believe in a 'wall', total waste of effort and money but that's called being trolled.

I am for Trump because he takes a hard stance but even I know the 'wall' scenario is just some rhetoric to get people's attention on immigration.

He has said it many times before and he is a lot smarter than people give him credit for, he said nobody is talking about immigration till he brought it up but people have talked about it, his mentioning of the wall actually got people's attention who otherwise wouldn't care about the issue.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Anyone who thinks there isn't a healthy strain of xenophobia and bigotry in these anti-illegal rants is FOS or comically naive:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/exkkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-comes-out


Former Ku Klux Klan Grand Wizard David Duke recently praised Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump for his tough stance on undocumented immigrants, which Duke called the "greatest immediate threat to the American people."

When did illegal immigration become our biggest threat? :lol

[warriorfan]

Well, that's the big picture bro. Stop illegals from coming in and help them gain citizenship. Do you honestly think that we actually believe in a 'wall', total waste of effort and money but that's called being trolled.

I am for Trump because he takes a hard stance but even I know the 'wall' scenario is just some rhetoric to get people's attention on immigration.

He has said it many times before and he is a lot smarter than people give him credit for, he said nobody is talking about immigration till he brought it up but people have talked about it, his mentioning of the wall actually got people's attention who otherwise wouldn't care about the issue.

Trump, the benevolent troll. :applause:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Yup, well aware of the difference. I think the solutions should be more aimed towards helping people acquire citizenship and less of the crochety old man "keep off my lawn!" attitude. People assuming border jumpers have got a clue about American law? They're just desperate to leave Mexico. Here's a thought; the money intended to be used for building a thousand mile wall is instead used in legal citizenship acquisition programs to help those who wish to live here but never had a clue how to do it "legally".

'GAHHHH NO THAT WOULD BE HELPING THEM!'

I'll agree there should be more education on the matter, but lets be honest, many if not MOST illegals know OF the process and are either too lazy or impatient to wait.

There are a myriad of ways to apply for citizenship. Someone that simply asks around will get enough info on the matter - its not 'rocket science'.

[9erempiree]

You know how Trump can kill two birds with a stone?

If he said,

"Not all terrorists are Muslim, therefore to protect our country from terrorists, we shall build this wall to protect us from illegal aliens. Since foreigners don't know the laws of our land, it is best to keep them out due to cultural differences. They must pass a strict test on the laws of the land of America before applying. Once they obtain their citizenship, it is my duty to build this wall to protect them from what they are escaping; drug lords, rapist and criminals"

If I was his campaign manager, this is what I would have told him to say. Therefore he looks damn good to all parties involved.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Anyone who thinks there isn't a healthy strain of xenophobia and bigotry in these anti-illegal rants is FOS or comically naive:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/exkkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-comes-out



When did illegal immigration become our biggest threat? :lol

Quoting a KKK member, and you think there's a point you've made? :oldlol:

[FillJackson]

Till the folks have risen there'll be no decision
We make the motor move, they chauffeur driven
Right now we can't shine right like a broken prism
I figured out the 14th is a broke amendment

[sweggeh]

I get a chuckle out of conservatives moaning about how we need to "build a wall" on the border of Mexico and how impoverished peoples and criminals from Mexico migrating to the U.S. is a huge "problem"

:lol

White Americans bitching about immigration to this country is the cringiest and ugliest most privileged sounding shit I've ever heard. That white sheltered life of today started out as nothing but a bunch of filthy poor and illegal Italian, German and Irish trash barely scraping up a pathetic living after struggling under the boot heals of Europe and those same white families were once the unwanted filth trickling its way onto this land. If you want a Mexican wall built chances are you're a white American, and if you're a white American chances are your relatives murdered a bunch of legit Americans, stole their land, brought crime with them and even brought over slaves or stood idly by while it happened and now here you are 200 years later complaining that Mexicans want some of our land and opportunity for themselves or their children too? Shut the **** up. Your great great grandpappy made a living picking pockets and cutting throats in dark alleys of New York while working illegally for a low wage butcher shop and wouldn't hesitate to put a derrenger bullet between your eyes if it meant the difference between staying here in America or going "back" where he came from all while your great great grandmammy was working the street corner selling herself for a quick dime. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for actual ancestral Americans, no "wall" was built around the Atlantic coast to keep your illegal relatives out.

So why do we need to build a wall around Mexico again?

One of the best posts in the history of ISH.

Clap for this brother right here :applause: :applause: :applause:

[9erempiree]

cont.

"Immigration is how America was founded on and it is my duty to continue this tradition of freedom and the traditions of America. Immigrants are welcomed to this great country and jobs will be created for all Americans citizens whether obtained or by birth. As a united country we will bring back and create jobs here. American citizens of all, should have the opportunity to live the American dream and not let the illegal foreigners come over and take that away from us. With my leadership and your participation we will MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN"

Done deal. Your next President.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Quoting a KKK member, and you think there's a point you've made? :oldlol:

You think he's the only white nationalist who's suddenly hot and heavy for Trump?

[NumberSix]

When did illegal immigration become our biggest threat? :lol
When did supposedly "racist" cops become our biggest threat?

I guarantee you more Americans are raped or murdered by illegal aliens than "racist" cops.

[RidonKs]

One of the best posts in the history of ISH.

Clap for this brother right here :applause: :applause: :applause:
...

:facepalm

[ALBballer]

Building a wall is delusional but the argument "Well Europeans aren't natives and should GTFO is even more delusional." Native Americans are believed to have crossed into the Americas thousands of years ago from" East Asia if you want to go further back into what constitutes a n"ative.

The fact is the United States is an entity and the citizens of this country have the right to let in who they deem fit. When the Europeans came there were no nation states and borders we have today did not exist for the most part in the Americas. There were no laws on immigration and the Europeans colonized the land like any other invading colonizers have done in years past, they overtook it by force and sheer numbers. Today times have changed and almost every country in the world has a closed borders. I can't go to France tomorrow, settle down and demand to become a citizen and take advantage of the social programs offered by France.

The far right demands of deporting all illegals and setting up a wall is ludicrous but the open border policy of the far left is just as bad. I'm all for punishing employers that hire illegals and setting an amnesty for the illegal immigrants that are currently here and have not committed crimes. If incentives to move to the united states were removed then there would be no need for a wall.

In addition, an open border and a social state welfare will never work. Where does it stop? If 10 million central americans showed up at the border tomorrow is it the duty of the United States to let them in? Or do you dying heart liberals just want to treat these inadentured slaves as your property and have them cook your food, clean your houses for cheap slave wages.

[CavaliersFTW]

Building a wall is delusional but the argument "Well Europeans aren't natives and should GTFO is even more delusional." Native Americans are believed to have crossed into the Americas thousands of years ago from" East Asia if you want to go further back into what constitutes a n"ative.

The fact is the United States is an entity and the citizens of this country have the right to let in who they deem fit. When the Europeans came there were no nation states and borders we have today did not exist for the most part in the Americas. There were no laws on immigration and the Europeans colonized the land like any other invading colonizers have done in years past, they overtook it by force and sheer numbers. Today times have changed and almost every country in the world has a closed borders. I can't go to France tomorrow, settle down and demand to become a citizen and take advantage of the social programs offered by France.

The far right demands of deporting all illegals and setting up a wall is ludicrous but the open border policy of the far left is just as bad. I'm all for punishing employers that hire illegals and setting an amnesty for the illegal immigrants that are currently here and have not committed crimes. If incentives to move to the united states were removed then there would be no need for a wall.

In addition, an open border and a social state welfare will never work. Where does it stop? If 10 million central americans showed up at the border tomorrow is it the duty of the United States to let them in? Or do you dying heart liberals just want to treat these inadentured slaves as your property and have them cook your food, clean your houses for cheap slave wages.
Nobody said that. I'm saying STFU not GTFO.

[FillJackson]

Anyone who thinks there isn't a healthy strain of xenophobia and bigotry in these anti-illegal rants is FOS or comically naive:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/exkkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-comes-out



When did illegal immigration become our biggest threat? :lol
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/08/31/the-fearful-and-the-frustrated

[I<3NBA]

a wall would be good.

we gotta be ready for the zombie apocalypse!

[Dresta]

OP is evidently confused over a number of things, and the train of his argument seems entirely devoid of logical thought - just a pointless attempt to bait people who think differently to him on a particular subject.

Firstly, many nations have their current geographical borders due to former land grabs, wars, and partitioning agreements decided by larger powers, but that doesn't mean they have no right to enforce their laws, or to protect their borders. Seriously, what a nonsensical point - if it were literally accepted, the world would rather quickly turn to chaos. If you're looking for 'fairness' in any of this, you are looking in the wrong place.

Secondly, the Indian people, their customs and way of life, died out not because of a concerted attempt to destroy it, but because it was incompatible with the growth and development of civilisation - what happened to the Indians was pretty much inevitable as soon as Europeans touched down on the American continent. Anyone who brings up the Indians in an argument related to immigration today really needs to get stuffed, because it just isn't relevant, and is the most empty and petty kind of moralising; not only this, but it is the kind of vacuous moralising endemic in those ignorant of the subject at hand, its importance, and the dangerous consequences that can result from treating it so flippantly.

The mass immigrations of the 19th century are really not comparable, as America then had far greater potential, and also had a rigorous Americanisation process that would not be acceptable to the norms of today (with the general emphasis placed on historic periods that bring shame rather than pride, celebrating 'diversity' rather than unity of purpose, commonality of destiny). Mass immigration of this sort has long been shown to reduce social cohesion and trust, two things that are already running low in the US of A (and almost no effort is made to make the immigrant adapt to the norms of America, something that would help):

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/publications/insight/democratic/robert-putnam

Not to mention the extra strain placed on infrastructure, the overgrowth of sprawling urban hell-holes, and the extra difficulties created for the many young and bored and unemployed black labourers (who seem to be ignored and unimportant when it actually comes to things that would help them, rather than simply inflaming their passions and allowing them no outlet).

ALB has said everything else that needs to be said - stupid thread.

[UK2K]

DW still cant answer my question on whether or not we should eliminate our borders all together. Sure we will keep our 'borders' for sovereignty and tax purposes (for the few who still pay them) but why dont we get a big boat to drive around the globe and pick up anyone and everyone who wants to come to America?

Everyone deserves a right to be here in America, illegal or not, right? So let's go to China, and scoop up the probably 500,000,000 Chinese who would rather live in America and bring em on over.

30,000,000 illegal immigrants from Mexico? Why stop there? Let's get everyone across the globe here who wants to be here.

[UK2K]

OP is evidently confused over a number of things, and the train of his argument seems entirely devoid of logical thought - just a pointless attempt to bait people who think differently to him on a particular subject.

Firstly, many nations have their current geographical borders due to former land grabs, wars, and partitioning agreements decided by larger powers, but that doesn't mean they have no right to enforce their laws, or to protect their borders. Seriously, what a nonsensical point - if it were literally accepted, the world would rather quickly turn to chaos. If you're looking for 'fairness' in any of this, you are looking in the wrong place.

Secondly, the Indian people, their customs and way of life, died out not because of a concerted attempt to destroy it, but because it was incompatible with the growth and development of civilisation - what happened to the Indians was pretty much inevitable as soon as Europeans touched down on the American continent. Anyone who brings up the Indians in an argument related to immigration today really needs to get stuffed, because it just isn't relevant, and is the most empty and petty kind of moralising; not only this, but it is the kind of vacuous moralising endemic in those ignorant of the subject at hand, its importance, and the dangerous consequences that can result from treating it so flippantly.

The mass immigrations of the 19th century are really not comparable, as America then had far greater potential, and also had a rigorous Americanisation process that would not be acceptable to the norms of today (with the general emphasis placed on historic periods that bring shame rather than pride, celebrating 'diversity' rather than unity of purpose, commonality of destiny). Mass immigration of this sort has long been shown to reduce social cohesion and trust, two things that are already running low in the US of A (and almost no effort is made to make the immigrant adapt to the norms of America, something that would help):

http://www.hks.harvard.edu/news-events/publications/insight/democratic/robert-putnam

Not to mention the extra strain placed on infrastructure, the overgrowth of sprawling urban hell-holes, and the extra difficulties created for the many young and bored and unemployed black labourers (who seem to be ignored and unimportant when it actually comes to things that would help them, rather than simply inflaming their passions and allowing them no outlet).

ALB has said everything else that needs to be said - stupid thread.
The difference between European immigrants in the 1600 and 1700's, and the Hispanic immigrants now.

[UK2K]

Anyone who thinks there isn't a healthy strain of xenophobia and bigotry in these anti-illegal rants is FOS or comically naive:

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/08/exkkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-comes-out



When did illegal immigration become our biggest threat? :lol

Obama said it was global warming not too long ago.

So they are both equally stupid.

[CeltsGarlic]

Almost everything u say is false.


to op

[Derka]

Neither party actually wants illegal immigrants to stop coming in. Neither party actually wants to kick them all out either. Too many movers and shakers at the top of both parties make too much money off of them. Probably long past time that Americans wake up to this. Nothing of consequence is ever going to be done about illegal immigrants making their way here.

So long as our appetite for illegal drugs, cheap consumer goods and cheap labor continues on...Mexico and Central America will continue to be violence-plagued hell holes that people want to escape from in search of better opportunities. They're going to escape here and no stupid wall is going to stop that from happening.

[knickballer]

Neither party actually wants illegal immigrants to stop coming in. Neither party actually wants to kick them all out either. Too many movers and shakers at the top of both parties make too much money off of them. Probably long past time that Americans wake up to this. Nothing of consequence is ever going to be done about illegal immigrants making their way here.

So long as our appetite for illegal drugs, cheap consumer goods and cheap labor continues on...Mexico and Central America will continue to be violence-plagued hell holes that people want to escape from in search of better opportunities. They're going to escape here and no stupid wall is going to stop that from happening.

Both sides are reluctant because it can be career suicide. You're gonna alienate yourself from a large voting base and you'll get a bad PR rep whether they deserve it or not. Notice how the Republicans besides Trump are becoming very PC on the issue?

Second, politicans don't care about long term fixes/goals. They only care about short term projects that can get them elected then re-elected in the short term. Alot of them just brush immigration issues to the side and just turn a blind eye to it.

America has alot of blame for the shithole in central america with ousting progressive rulers and replacing them with corrupt leaders, the whole banana fruit company, etc.. BUT, allowing illegal immigration isn't going to solve anything and this is the part that people need to realize. It's only a bandaid to a major wound. If you open the borders there's going to be a massive refugee crisis and it still doesn't solve the poverty in those countries. It will be like this forever if the core issues isn't solved(Poverty, corruption and crime). Same thing is going on in Europe right now.

[Nick Young]

Neither party actually wants illegal immigrants to stop coming in. Neither party actually wants to kick them all out either. Too many movers and shakers at the top of both parties make too much money off of them. Probably long past time that Americans wake up to this. Nothing of consequence is ever going to be done about illegal immigrants making their way here.

So long as our appetite for illegal drugs, cheap consumer goods and cheap labor continues on...Mexico and Central America will continue to be violence-plagued hell holes that people want to escape from in search of better opportunities. They're going to escape here and no stupid wall is going to stop that from happening.
You think USA is the reason Mexico and Central America are violence-plagued hellholes?

Even before white Europeans got there, the region was a violence-plagued hell hole. Their entire religion involved ripping peoples hearts out while they were alive and throwing them down a pyramid to appease the sun. When winning sports teams did well, they got violently sacrificed. The priests would ritually torture themselves by dragging thorned rope across their tongues and beating themselves bloody with obsidian sharded clubs. America has ZERO to do with violence in Mexico and Central America. If America was wiped from existence tomorrow, Mexico and Central America would continue to be violent and shitty places to live.

This is because the jungle is a shitty place for humans to live, and when you combine that with an abundance of hardcore drugs that grow in everyone's back yard, it is a recipe for disaster.

Stop blaming every other country's problems on America. The sad truth is, most shitty countries are responsible for being as shitty as they are. Stop blame shifting.

[Derka]

You think USA is the reason Mexico and Central America are violence-plagued hellholes?

Gimme a sec, gonna re-read what I typed since it appears you didn't read it all that well.

OK I'm back and it turns out that no, I didn't say anywhere in there that USA caused all that stuff. Plenty of other nations are on the hook for it, including Mexico and Central America themselves. But its not really debatable that those three things are contributing factors, among plenty of others, as to why people are running for our border.

Next time the urge to insert words and meanings into other people's statements takes a hold of you...do your best to ignore that urge.

[TheMan]

I get a chuckle out of conservatives moaning about how we need to "build a wall" on the border of Mexico and how impoverished peoples and criminals from Mexico migrating to the U.S. is a huge "problem"

:lol

White Americans bitching about immigration to this country is the cringiest and ugliest most privileged sounding shit I've ever heard. That white sheltered life of today started out as nothing but a bunch of filthy poor and illegal Italian, German and Irish trash barely scraping up a pathetic living after struggling under the boot heals of Europe and those same white families were once the unwanted filth trickling its way onto this land. If you want a Mexican wall built chances are you're a white American, and if you're a white American chances are your relatives murdered a bunch of legit Americans, stole their land, brought crime with them and even brought over slaves or stood idly by while it happened and now here you are 200 years later complaining that Mexicans want some of our land and opportunity for themselves or their children too? Shut the **** up. Your great great grandpappy made a living picking pockets and cutting throats in dark alleys of New York while working illegally for a low wage butcher shop and wouldn't hesitate to put a derrenger bullet between your eyes if it meant the difference between staying here in America or going "back" where he came from all while your great great grandmammy was working the street corner selling herself for a quick dime. Fortunately for you, but unfortunately for actual ancestral Americans, no "wall" was built around the Atlantic coast to keep your illegal relatives out.

So why do we need to build a wall around Mexico again?
:applause: :bowdown:

I truly despise when these "Americans" complain about other people coming here "illegaly". If only there was a Native American Donald Trump in the 1500s to keep the European hordes from invading the American continent. There were real Americans here before the Eurotrash rushed this continent. Manga de muertos de hambre...mortos de fame, *****

[TheMan]

Actually in this day and age....200 plus years ago is an eternity. While I still consider this country to still be in its infancy, we are mature for our age, in terms of our socioeconomic prowess. If we can get over these growing pains and protect our borders, shores and air we will prosper again.

Its time to for a new generation of Americans, doesn't matter the color, we need to protect what we have for a better future. If we let others walk over us, what will be left of us in the next 200 years? What we built will start to crumble if it hasn't already so. Look at the divide in our nation right now. We are in a decline and I can seriously say I don't mind leaving here and I am as patriotic as it gets. The sad thing is that my fellow Americans will be the reason why.
You can always go back to Israel :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

:applause: :bowdown:

I truly despise when these "Americans" complain about other people coming here "illegaly". If only there was a Native American Donald Trump in the 1500s to keep the European hordes from invading the American continent. There were real Americans here before the Eurotrash rushed this continent. Manga de muertos de hambre...mortos de fame, *****


C'mon man, be smarter than this. Everyone knows the Indians migrated from Asia. The Indians had no government or anything established here when Europeans came over. Indians still have lands all throughout the United States. Their people are still thriving. And for as much as this faux hate we want to have against European migrants, you should all know damn well that if it weren't for them, none of us would be here today to discuss such a thing.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Obama said it was global warming not too long ago.

So they are both equally stupid.

Um, the scientific community is saying that. They're most definitely not stupid.

[senelcoolidge]

I didn't read every post, but I sensed some white guilt.

[TheMan]

C'mon man, be smarter than this. Everyone knows the Indians migrated from Asia. The Indians had no government or anything established here when Europeans came over. Indians still have lands all throughout the United States. Their people are still thriving. And for as much as this faux hate we want to have against European migrants, you should all know damn well that if it weren't for them, none of us would be here today to discuss such a thing.
Two points, this continent was virgin continent when they came over from Asia tens of thousands of years ago, they were here first, it's their land. If you don't agree with that, then don't be a hypocrite and claim you were here before any recent illegal aliens. Being first didn't count for shit back then, shouldn't count now either.

Stop looking at the world through European eyes, Indians most certainly had their own laws, that Europeans didn't recognize them is something entirely different. The Olmecs, Mayans, Incas and Aztecs had advanced civilizations. They built temples and pyramids thousands of years ago when most Euros lived as nomads in caves. Someone mentioned the Mayans sacrificing captured foes in honor to the sun, how is it different than the Spanish Inquisition burning thousands of innocent people for being witches?

The world is ever changing, just because we look at things one way right now doesn't mean 500 years from now future generations will look at it the same way. One thing is clear though, Europeans STOLE THIS LAND FROM PEOPLES WHO WERE HERE FIRST, all of the excuses or reasons you guys come up with won't change that fact. You guys are as illegal as any Central American running across the border right now.

[9erempiree]

You cannot compare the illegal aliens here to the events of the past. The Europeans came over here to prosper and over the course of its existence, America has developed and prosper. It's not like the Europeans took over a prosperous nation. As a matter of fact, as soon as they drank that American water, they were ingrained with the great DNA that is in every American. Working hard and building a nation, because of what I mentioned, America prospered to what it is now.

Compared to what I just explained above, as to compare to what is going on right now, what is going on right now are illegal aliens trying to mooch off of our prosperity because their 'motherland' couldn't provide for them. In other words, a shitty ass country Mexico or wherever they are coming from illegally.

[9erempiree]

:applause: :bowdown:

I truly despise when these "Americans" complain about other people coming here "illegaly". If only there was a Native American Donald Trump in the 1500s to keep the European hordes from invading the American continent. There were real Americans here before the Eurotrash rushed this continent. Manga de muertos de hambre...mortos de fame, *****

Just like the Spaniards coming over to what we call Mexico today and raping the women?

Stop acting like you are some indigenous person and they stole your land.

Well, actually, they stole pvssy.

[NumberSix]

:applause: :bowdown:

I truly despise when these "Americans" complain about other people coming here "illegaly". If only there was a Native American Donald Trump in the 1500s to keep the European hordes from invading the American continent. There were real Americans here before the Eurotrash rushed this continent. Manga de muertos de hambre...mortos de fame, *****
Lol. Donald Trump is from New York. The Indians SOLD it to the Europeans. It wasn't conquered or "stolen".

I don't know why Mexicans always make this point about "Eurotrash". You're fcuking Spaniards. YOU are the Eurotrash. :hammerhead:

[ThePhantomCreep]

You cannot compare the illegal aliens here to the events of the past. The Europeans came over here to prosper and over the course of its existence, America has developed and prosper. It's not like the Europeans took over a prosperous nation. As a matter of fact, as soon as they drank that American water, they were ingrained with the great DNA that is in every American. Working hard and building a nation, because of what I mentioned, America prospered to what it is now.

Compared to what I just explained above, as to compare to what is going on right now, what is going on right now are illegal aliens trying to mooch off of our prosperity because their 'motherland' couldn't provide for them. In other words, a shitty ass country Mexico or wherever they are coming from illegally.

As soon as I read this, I knew you were going to provide incredibly dumb reasons for your position.

You did not disappoint.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" was engraved on the base of the Statue of Liberty in 1903. Why do you think that was?

[TheMan]

Lol. Donald Trump is from New York. The Indians SOLD it to the Europeans. It wasn't conquered or "stolen".

I don't know why Mexicans always make this point about "Eurotrash". You're fcuking Spaniards. YOU are the Eurotrash. :hammerhead:
:no: I proudly have Native American blood so therefore I belong here much more than your Scots Irish hillbilly ass. Remember, the Irish are the nig*ers of Europe :lol

[9erempiree]

:no: I proudly have Native American blood so therefore I belong here much more than your Scots Irish hillbilly ass. Remember, the Irish are the nig*ers of Europe :lol


When you cross the border, you set foot on a government entity. The land may physically be there but you have to obey the entity you came into. Please don't think that one end of the border is the same as another because it is a few feet away.

As for illegal aliens? Yes, they can set foot on the land, that is why they are here illegally....but as a government entity, ruler of the land, they are not allowed so unless shown the proper documentation to do so.

[NumberSix]

:no: I proudly have Native American blood so therefore I belong here much more than your Scots Irish hillbilly ass. Remember, the Irish are the nig*ers of Europe :lol
What kind? North America is a big continent. Do people with "Native American blood" have a free pass to all of North America or just the area where their tribe is from? I'm not familiar with the rules. :confusedshrug:

[warriorfan]

What kind? North America is a big continent. Do people with "Native American blood" have a free pass to all of North America or just the area where their tribe is from? I'm not familiar with the rules. :confusedshrug:

Split the hairs any way you want, they have more of a claim than Europeans :oldlol:

[TheMan]

What kind? North America is a big continent. Do people with "Native American blood" have a free pass to all of North America or just the area where their tribe is from? I'm not familiar with the rules. :confusedshrug:
My grandpa on my dad's side was half Comanche and half Mexican mestizo. Yes, Comanches were in Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas. :rockon: Notice the Native American names of those states :applause:

[NumberSix]

My grandpa on my dad's side was half Comanche and half Mexican mestizo. Yes, Comanches were in Kansas, New Mexico, Oklahoma and Texas. :rockon: Notice the Native American names of those states :applause:
Ok, that's 4. So the other 46 are off limits for you?

[9erempiree]

Ok, that's 4. So the other 46 are off limits for you?

He's off limits in even those 4.

[Patrick Chewing]

:no: I proudly have Native American blood so therefore I belong here much more than your Scots Irish hillbilly ass. Remember, the Irish are the nig*ers of Europe :lol


:facepalm

[Patrick Chewing]

This was the moment it all ended for the Indians. The greatest moment in History!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT9YKjn67Og

[KellhitEmup15]

:facepalm

Im pretty sure he is Cuban.

[Patrick Chewing]

Im pretty sure he is Cuban.


LOL nah he's Mexican. I'm the Cuban. I just find it funny that he resorted to a semi-racist cheap shot.

[TheMan]

:facepalm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb7ghkEi32w&feature=youtube_gdata_player

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akEC4UGX-8g&feature=youtube_gdata_player

It's from the 90's movie about a Dublin soul band, the Commitments. I meant it as a joke :facepalm