Everything you eat and drink is bad for you

[Heavincent]

Anybody else sick of this bullshit?

Bread? Bad for you.
Meat? Bad.
Dairy? Bad.
Eggs? Bad.
Fruit juice? Bad.

Drinking a can of soda? Jesus Christ, you might as well be chugging a can of rat poison.

Suck my dick. It's all sensationalist bullshit.

[iamgine]

That's only for the ignorant to just stereotype and generalize things as "bad".

The knowledgeable ones rely on real research so they know the amount of goodness and badness on items and its sub-types (i.e Rice: Brown vs White).

[Akrazotile]

Lol Ive thought about this before too. And these studies are def bullshit.

Countless people have lived to 90+ and the vast majority of them ate bread, meat, eggs, sugar etc.

It's really not what you eat, it's how much of it. And honestly if you make a point to eat fruits and vegetables, and have some normal shit like eggs, pasta, chicken, etc for your meals, youre really not gonna find yourself that hungry for lots of extra junk. If youre always eating pizza and doritos and soda youre gonna feel perpetually hungry due to nutrient deficiency.

The "research" around the health value of normal ass food is basically worthless. Anyone who wont eat bread bc they think its bad for them is a fakkit.

[J Shuttlesworth]

None of that shit you listed is actually bad for you unless you over do it, or get artificial fruit juice with tons of preservatives.

Dairy is probably the worst thing on the list you mentioned, but it's still not bad unless you're drinking a bunch of milk every day.

[TonyMontana]

And what do most people look like today?

Like ****ing shit.

Put two and two together.

The ideal diet was around 100 years ago. You look at pictures then? Noone is fat, everyone is white, has strong jaws, masculine. And not just the appearence, but the mind and spirit as well. whenever you need to ask yourself if something is good ask yourself if they ate it in 1900.

Today men wusses and girls look alike. dysgenics and females are full blown women at 12 years old.

Even the healthy shit today is not optimal. Cattle are fed hormones and steroids so their growth is accelerated. They are in shit living conditions and then butchered. The entire process has been turned into a prime example of corporate greed. Concern of milking maximum money out of the populance rather than for best of the people and animals. The optimal food is food that you hunt(deer for instance) or grow yourself. buzz words are used on the products, such as "organic". What the **** does that even mean? It just sounds good for the people who want to brag about being conscious of their health, meanwhile they are still overweight and a disgusting human being.

your not going to die immediately from modern food, but you won't be living optimally.

[senelcoolidge]

I get sick of this too. Everything is bad. It's all about moderation. Staying active also helps.

[J Shuttlesworth]

Everything also causes cancer too

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

It's kind of true but practically worthless to internalize.

Rather it's not great for you.

Here's a run down in terms of nutrients.

A+ Broccoli, Cabbage, Tuscan Kale, Mustard Greens, Dandelion Greens, Turnip Greens. Grass-Fed Beef. Lamb. Venison. Wild Caught Sockey Salmon. Sardines. Raw Goats Milk. Garlic Onion

A Quality eggs, Red Cabbage, Swiss Chard, Rutabaga, Turnips, Radishs, Daikon, Carrot, Yam, Organic Chicken, Organic Turkey, Most small fishes not polluted with mercury, Quinoa,

A- Probably the non brassica non cruciferous veggies like asparagus and peas, Fermented Foods, Bone Broths, White Navy Beans, lower quality meats, and a few nutrient dense fruits like durian or pomegranates

B+ Legumes and grains and other dairy

B Potatoes, rice, yogurts, etc.

and

F = trans fats + pure high doses of sugar + soda + highly nitrite filled processed meats + those turtle cheesecakes

Meat and Eggs are great foods.

Dairy is bad for the lactose intolerant (Asians)

Bread has a bad rep because some fakkit doctor decided to strike fear into the hearts of millions through wheat belly

Based on convergence of personal anecdotes, world healthiest foods, Dr. Lawrence Wilson, Dr. Weston Price, Paleo Diet, and others

[Akrazotile]

And what do most people look like today?

Like ****ing shit.

Put two and two together.

The ideal diet was around 100 years ago. You look at pictures then? Noone is fat, everyone is white, has strong jaws, masculine. And not just the appearence, but the mind and spirit as well. whenever you need to ask yourself if something is good ask yourself if they ate it in 1900.

Today men wusses and girls look alike. dysgenics and females are full blown women at 12 years old.

Even the healthy shit today is not optimal. Cattle are fed hormones and steroids so their growth is accelerated. They are in shit living conditions and then butchered. The entire process has been turned into a prime example of corporate greed. Concern of milking maximum money out of the populance rather than for best of the people and animals. The optimal food is food that you hunt(deer for instance) or grow yourself. buzz words are used on the products, such as "organic". What the **** does that even mean? It just sounds good for the people who want to brag about being conscious of their health, meanwhile they are still overweight and a disgusting human being.

your not going to die immediately from modern food, but you won't be living optimally.


:oldlol: @ casually slipping in "everyone was white."

But be careful not to idealize the past. The Jungle was written in 1906. Basically a hundred years ago. At that time meat was WAY more unsanitary than what we eat today.

Eating food that is mass produced will never be optimal, but neither is having every person hunt and grow their own. Theres always a tradeoff. The body is pretty adaptable though, as long as you're conscious about what youre eating you can usually find a balance that will keep you healthy but allow you to also be practical.

[hateraid]

I get constantly put on blast for this all the time. Everthing I sell is apparently "bro science". I've never condemned people for what they eat or what they choose to take. It comes down to what believe is what they will they will research to validate those beliefs. Then they will chastise anyone who disagrees.

[Heavincent]

The modern world is ****ed man...the caveat of the "information age" is that you have to go through a pile of junk to get any meaningful info. These "diet experts" are a prime example. What the **** do these people even eat? Honestly curious.

It's all common sense. Don't stuff your face with obvious junk food, don't sit on your ass all day every day, and you'll be fine. So called diet experts would probably berate me for the shit I eat, but you know what? I'm not overweight, nor have I ever been. Shit, I don't even work out in the traditional sense. I play pickup basketball every once in a while and walk the dog.

It's just an American thing really. Do you see other countries freaking out about this shit? Child obesity is a result of poor parenting. No need to overthink it. Just make sure your kid is active and don't feed him/her junk food every day. This is not rocket science.

The human body fights off nasty diseases every day. Some ****ing white bread and store bought meat will not phase it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Being alive is bad for you, it's literally killing you slowly.

[warriorfan]

I bet most of these gluten free hippies dont even work out

[TonyMontana]

Paleo Diet

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This "low carb" nonsense is pure shit. Ever notice how all of these paleo expert dieticians who write these books to sell are fat themselves?

Either that or it is a younger guy using illegal substances(steroids), and crediting some bullshit diet as his success. Pure scum.

Asians eat high carbs with all of their rice. And how many of them are fat? The gladiators in Rome ate about 90% of their food as carbs.

The fattest people in the world all ironically come from areas where a high animal food diet. Thus proving this "high fats and protein, no carbs!" shit is bullshit. People on this type of diet also tend to abuse stimulants because they have absolutely no energy without carbs. it's not healthy.

[TonyMontana]

:oldlol: @ casually slipping in "everyone was white."

But be careful not to idealize the past. The Jungle was written in 1906. Basically a hundred years ago. At that time meat was WAY more unsanitary than what we eat today.

Eating food that is mass produced will never be optimal, but neither is having every person hunt and grow their own. Theres always a tradeoff. The body is pretty adaptable though, as long as you're conscious about what youre eating you can usually find a balance that will keep you healthy but allow you to also be practical.

There is beauty in almost every animal in the wild. All animals look "perfect".

Yet how many humans do you see have this same "natural beauty" to them? This perfection...would you? How many humans look "optimal?" . I will look in a random classroom at the youth of today and I will be lucky to find one kid in a class of 20 that is legit healthy looking.

Either limp wristed skinny fat geeks, fat phucks, and not much better "the bros" who are only concerned with trivialistic bullshit such as how big their biceps are, while eating like shit and not caring for general heath.

[KnittingRyu]

Next we'll hear that being on internet forums for 12+ hours per day is bad for you.

[hateraid]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

This "low carb" nonsense is pure shit. Ever notice how all of these paleo expert dieticians who write these books to sell are fat themselves?

Either that or it is a younger guy using illegal substances(steroids), and crediting some bullshit diet as his success. Pure scum.

Asians eat high carbs with all of their rice. And how many of them are fat? The gladiators in Rome ate about 90% of their food as carbs.

The fattest people in the world all ironically come from areas where a high animal food diet. Thus proving this "high fats and protein, no carbs!" shit is bullshit. People on this type of diet also tend to abuse stimulants because they have absolutely no energy without carbs. it's not healthy.

Tony, I like you as a poster, but I got to tell you you're misinformed about the paleo diet. It actually encourages eating plenty of carbs. The whole premise of the diet is based on eating what was foraged and hunted by the paleolithic man. Berries, nuts, and seeds are all big parts of the paleo diet. As long as it's not processed or cooked. The meat is not processed wild meats like bison, salmon, or venison. It's actually a really healthy complete diet.

[outbreak]

Tony, I like you as a poster, but I got to tell you you're misinformed about the paleo diet. It actually encourages eating plenty of carbs. The whole premise of the diet is based on eating what was foraged and hunted by the paleolithic man. Berries, nuts, and seeds are all big parts of the paleo diet. As long as it's not processed or cooked. The meat is not processed wild meats like bison, salmon, or venison. It's actually a really healthy complete diet.

But it misses the point of what ancient man actually ate by a large margin.

All these diets are bullshit designed to sell books and products. Just eat in moderation and exercise.

Either that or eat a strict diet of taylor swift's ass.

[NZStreetBaller]

OP is 100% right. we have strayed so far away from eating FOOD that we longer realize that we arent even eating food anymore. 90% of things on the shelves nowadays contain so many chemicals its not even funny.

we are literally loading our bodies full of crap. the organic stuff is still out there but it is becoming more and more harder to find. even your fruits and vegetables are being sprayed with pesticides to prevent bugs eating them before they get on the shelves. even the bugs wont touch the stuff but we are all eating that stuff.

all types of sicknesses and health related problems these days are becoming far too common and people are getting friggen "treatment" for them. TREATMENT as in drugs and visiting the doctor more then any human should..... and we are constantly trying to look TREATMENT. prevention is in the goddam diet!!!

and its not particularly the publics fault when BS chemically engineered food is everywhere we look and so affordable and LEGAL !! some of us are unknowningly LITERALLY drugging and making our own kids sick. the food industry if FCKD. just out to make a buck.

[iamgine]

Child obesity is a result of poor parenting. No need to overthink it. Just make sure your kid is active and don't feed him/her junk food every day. This is not rocket science.
It's not that simple. What ultimately leads to poor parenting are usually not the parent's fault completely. Other factors are at play. This is why government exist, to educate the masses and regulate the food industry among others.

I mean, if we legalize meth and sell it for $1/oz, and half our kids are addicted on meth, maybe the parents are not completely at fault there.

[NZStreetBaller]

It's not that simple. What ultimately leads to poor parenting are usually not the parent's fault completely. Other factors are at play. This is why government exist, to educate the masses and regulate the food industry among others.

I mean, if we legalize meth and sell it for $1/oz, and half our kids are addicted on meth, maybe the parents are not completely at fault there.

addictive food and constant advertising of all the wrong stuff can be attributed to obesity its not necessarily the parents fault if you know anything about advertising and subconcious conditioning

[KNOW1EDGE]

It's not that simple. What ultimately leads to poor parenting are usually not the parent's fault completely. Other factors are at play. This is why government exist, to educate the masses and regulate the food industry among others.

I mean, if we legalize meth and sell it for $1/oz, and half our kids are addicted on meth, maybe the parents are not completely at fault there.

Well I mean, if that's not undeniable proof that parents aren't responsible for their kids then I don't know what is.

[step_back]

Of course some foods are worse than others. That's obvious. :roll:

Most people eat the foods they like because their priority is taste. If you're a desk jockey that get's little exercise it doesn't really matter what you eat providing you're not eating a surplus of calories which makes you gain weight over time.

However if you exercise a lot or are an athlete you've got to have optimal nutrition. Some supplements are complete bullshit however some do help improve performance and most are designed to help you hit your targets. When I was bodybuilding I used supplements to help me hit my macros. They're not some wonder drug or holy grail like people think though.

[knickballer]

But it misses the point of what ancient man actually ate by a large margin.

All these diets are bullshit designed to sell books and products. Just eat in moderation and exercise.

Either that or eat a strict diet of taylor swift's ass.

This and you don't even need to exercise(although you should).

Eat balanced and nutritious meals, it's not rocket science. Cut the soda, sugars and the other processed junk and you'll be fine. People naturally want to eat the most tasty meals for breakfast, lunch, dinner and for snacks but people don't realize these foods are high in calories and fat. Get your fiber, protein, vitamins in meal. Eat more greens and less grease. Eat shit like beans, brown rice(these two are staples), veggies, fruits, chicken breast, etc.

Especially the processed crap. They engineer that shit to make it addicting on purpose.

As for the diets its kinda stupid. I knew a few kids who did the paleo diet and would just eat meat and cheese while avoiding great foods like brown rice because it's not part of the diet... Good luck being healthy by just eating cheese all day.

[knickballer]

Of course some foods are worse than others. That's obvious. :roll:

Most people eat the foods they like because their priority is taste. If you're a desk jockey that get's little exercise it doesn't really matter what you eat providing you're not eating a surplus of calories which makes you gain weight over time.

However if you exercise a lot or are an athlete you've got to have optimal nutrition. Some supplements are complete bullshit however some do help improve performance and most are designed to help you hit your targets. When I was bodybuilding I used supplements to help me hit my macros. They're not some wonder drug or holy grail like people think though.

These people are the worst. They have months supplies of snacks at their desks and always eat as a distraction or kill time at work. Not only that but they eat the unhealthy foods at the cafeteria. These guys have horrible habits.

I would also stay away from the supplements. No different from a red bull although I'm completely speaking out of my ass about this. I just eat a oranage, drink a teaspoon of apple cider vinegar before and sometimes bring a bottle mixed with lemon juice at the gym.

[rufuspaul]

F = trans fats + pure high doses of sugar + soda + highly nitrite filled processed meats + those turtle cheesecakes



:(

[UK2K]

It's kind of true but practically worthless to internalize.

Rather it's not great for you.

Here's a run down in terms of nutrients.

A+ Broccoli, Cabbage, Tuscan Kale, Mustard Greens, Dandelion Greens, Turnip Greens. Grass-Fed Beef. Lamb. Venison. Wild Caught Sockey Salmon. Sardines. Raw Goats Milk. Garlic Onion

A Quality eggs, Red Cabbage, Swiss Chard, Rutabaga, Turnips, Radishs, Daikon, Carrot, Yam, Organic Chicken, Organic Turkey, Most small fishes not polluted with mercury, Quinoa,

A- Probably the non brassica non cruciferous veggies like asparagus and peas, Fermented Foods, Bone Broths, White Navy Beans, lower quality meats, and a few nutrient dense fruits like durian or pomegranates

B+ Legumes and grains and other dairy

B Potatoes, rice, yogurts, etc.

and

F = trans fats + pure high doses of sugar + soda + highly nitrite filled processed meats + those turtle cheesecakes

Meat and Eggs are great foods.

Dairy is bad for the lactose intolerant (Asians)

Bread has a bad rep because some fakkit doctor decided to strike fear into the hearts of millions through wheat belly

Based on convergence of personal anecdotes, world healthiest foods, Dr. Lawrence Wilson, Dr. Weston Price, Paleo Diet, and others

Nice. Copied and saved this.

[sundizz]

Actually, I disagree. None of that stuff is really that terrible for you.

The only difference nowadays is that none of that stuff is real (like it was pre 1990 or so). Bread is not just flour etc anymore. It's a whole bunch of fake engineered, with hormone etc stuff.

Also, most of our jobs have transformed from moving jobs of some sort and/or had to walk for random stuff during the day to sitting at a computer 10+ hours a day.

Just buy organic, GMO free versions of whatever you want to eat and eat it in moderation and you'll be fine. No need to be hippies.

For example (my meals yesterday):

Breakfast (11 am)
2 slices of toast (with butter)
2 eggs
avocado

Lunch (3 pm)
Burrito (tortilla, beans, rice, cheese, guac, sour)

Dinner (630 pm)
1 slice of pizza

8-930
Played a little ball and walked around at the park with my nephew.

I guarantee I could eat that everyday for the rest of my life and live to be very healthy, mobile, and old.

[hateraid]

This and you don't even need to exercise(although you should).

Eat balanced and nutritious meals, it's not rocket science. Cut the soda, sugars and the other processed junk and you'll be fine. People naturally want to eat the most tasty meals for breakfast, lunch, dinner and for snacks but people don't realize these foods are high in calories and fat. Get your fiber, protein, vitamins in meal. Eat more greens and less grease. Eat shit like beans, brown rice(these two are staples), veggies, fruits, chicken breast, etc.

Especially the processed crap. They engineer that shit to make it addicting on purpose.

You've actually just described the paleo diet minus the sprouted grains and legumes. There are plenty of foods that can still be eaten in place of starchy carbs like squash, sweet potatoes, and yams. The premise of the diet is to cut out processed foods and refined sugars.


As for the diets its kinda stupid. I knew a few kids who did the paleo diet and would just eat meat and cheese while avoiding great foods like brown rice because it's not part of the diet... Good luck being healthy by just eating cheese all day

If this is all your friend ate then he is hugely misinformed on what the paleo diet actually is. Cheese is not even a recommended food in the paleo so right off the bat that's wrong. A typical paleo meal consists of I portion meat, one portion seeds or nuts, one portion fruit or vegetable, one portion high starch, one portion fatty fruit. All non processed and as raw as possible. It's not a fad weight loss diet, it's just a modified cleaner way of eating. If brown rice is your gripe about it, I'd suggest you research more about the diet.

[hateraid]

But it misses the point of what ancient man actually ate by a large margin.

All these diets are bullshit designed to sell books and products. Just eat in moderation and exercise.

Either that or eat a strict diet of taylor swift's ass.

Regardless if it's not accurate it is influencing people to eat much cleaner and healthier. The main premise of the diet is to strongly avoid refined sugar and processed foods. I don't see any problem in that?
I admit, the world is full of sheep. They rely on what is advertised to motivate them to change. But if it takes a book for someone to eat healthy, no harm no foul. When I worked at a retail level we never promoted diet pills. But since it is such a huge market driver it herded (get it, sheep, herd? lol) customers into the store where it gave us a chance to properly inform people about diet. About the importance of micros and macros. About how supplements only account for 5% of your results and so on.
Just like us, social media influences us to think a certain way. People referencing a book about diet is similar to us looking up stats to support our beliefs. It's all subjective.

[Dbrog]

Definitely all these "diets" are based on complete bs science. Moderation and lifestyle change is what will make you healthy. I've never had any health problems and I ate fast food a fair amount as a kid (1/wk or so). I also continue to eat carbs-a-plenty now that I'm in my late 20s and I need them if I'm going to work out or I will just have no energy. That said, I haven't worked out for like...3 years and have maintained this carb intake (again, no obesity or health issues). I just make sure to balance them out with veggies and drink lots of water. I have LOST WEIGHT eating carbs before. This food science is just all about manipulating the public into spending more $$$.

[hateraid]

Definitely all these "diets" are based on complete bs science. Moderation and lifestyle change is what will make you healthy. I've never had any health problems and I ate fast food a fair amount as a kid (1/wk or so). I also continue to eat carbs-a-plenty now that I'm in my late 20s and I need them if I'm going to work out or I will just have no energy. That said, I haven't worked out for like...3 years and have maintained this carb intake (again, no obesity or health issues). I just make sure to balance them out with veggies and drink lots of water. I have LOST WEIGHT eating carbs before. This food science is just all about manipulating the public into spending more $$$.

I hope that I don't come off as insulting, but maybe you are referring websites over literature. I've read many diet books and they rarely, if ever endorse a product. They are merely guides to tell you what is good and what is bad. They do not force anybody to purchase a fad diet product.

I've read a book titled "The Last 15" By Dr.Joey Shulman.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Last-15-Weight-Breakthrough/dp/0470840757
and not once did it mention a diet pill or supplements. It was a tutorial on proper food management and how the body responds to certain lifestyle changes. I've mentioned here the Phantom Limb syndrome that explain how the body deals with amputated limbs is relative to how a body adapts to food changes. Best piece of literature I've ever read in regards to dieting.

So just because you happen to be an exception does not mean that is the way everyone will react. True there are some things that go without say. Anything in moderation is harmless. But have you actually read these type of books to make an educated statement or are you making a blind assumption? Read this book as a starter (I'm sure it's free on Kindle somewhere so you don't think I'm conning you into buying something) and tell me if it's hocus pocus.

[Dbrog]

Definitely looks interesting Hateraid if only for the simply fact that it seems well written. I have read some of Gary Taubes stuff and actually saw him lecture when I was still in undergrad. He interested me since he had a very science-based brain and actually has a book with a shitload of references to studies throughout it. This made more sense to me since I was a Psychology major. However, there were too many anomaly's for me which some of the health professors at my school brought to his attention such as the typical asian cuisine of starch + protein (in almost every meal) which was the exact diet he deemed "bad calories."

Everyone who I have ever known (yes I know..anecdotal) who has wanted to lose weight and keep it off did so by cutting portion and exercising consistently. It wasn't even hard for them to see results with this motivation. Contrast this with the many people I've seen "try hard to lose weight" but then still consistently snack (along with having big meals) or don't maintain a workout routine at the intensity needed (they try to only do Yoga or some shit). These people aren't making the lifestyle change necessary to see results.

[hateraid]

Definitely looks interesting Hateraid if only for the simply fact that it seems well written. I have read some of Gary Taubes stuff and actually saw him lecture when I was still in undergrad. He interested me since he had a very science-based brain and actually has a book with a shitload of references to studies throughout it. This made more sense to me since I was a Psychology major. However, there were too many anomaly's for me which some of the health professors at my school brought to his attention such as the typical asian cuisine of starch + protein (in almost every meal) which was the exact diet he deemed "bad calories."

Everyone who I have ever known (yes I know..anecdotal) who has wanted to lose weight and keep it off did so by cutting portion and exercising consistently. It wasn't even hard for them to see results with this motivation. Contrast this with the many people I've seen "try hard to lose weight" but then still consistently snack (along with having big meals) or don't maintain a workout routine at the intensity needed (they try to only do Yoga or some shit). These people aren't making the lifestyle change necessary to see results.

I think people in general need to be more accountable. But since the world doesn't live to those standards we rely on others to tell us what to do, then we are quick to blame the source instead of saying we did not properly educate ourselves. We make the industry the scapegoat, not the individual.
For me I don't think any calorie is bad, persay, it's how it's interpreted. Right now the fad is to blame gluten whereas I bet less than 50% know what gluten actually is.
Where I come from in the industry I think we do a great job in giving honest evaluations. But then we get vilified because people blame us for trying to sell snake oil miracle products. Take Dr.Oz. He's probably the most hated, yet most popular guy in the whole diet industry. People are invested, but they don't actually LISTEN to his message, they only HEAR the points they want to hear. They go for the quick fix. In all my years watching Dr.Oz he has never once endorsed a supplement company. That's how the world works.
But thanks for the well informed response. I'm so used to the "bro science" accusations I'm always certain someone will respond back negatively :cheers:

[Dbrog]

I'm so used to the "bro science" accusations I'm always certain someone will respond back negatively :cheers:

:cheers: :rockon:

[outbreak]

Regardless if it's not accurate it is influencing people to eat much cleaner and healthier. The main premise of the diet is to strongly avoid refined sugar and processed foods. I don't see any problem in that?
I admit, the world is full of sheep. They rely on what is advertised to motivate them to change. But if it takes a book for someone to eat healthy, no harm no foul. When I worked at a retail level we never promoted diet pills. But since it is such a huge market driver it herded (get it, sheep, herd? lol) customers into the store where it gave us a chance to properly inform people about diet. About the importance of micros and macros. About how supplements only account for 5% of your results and so on.
Just like us, social media influences us to think a certain way. People referencing a book about diet is similar to us looking up stats to support our beliefs. It's all subjective.

The paleo diet keeps getting slammed as unhealthy by doctors nutritionists and dietitians though because people want to take it further and further than it originally started at.

[hateraid]

The paleo diet keeps getting slammed as unhealthy by doctors nutritionists and dietitians though because people want to take it further and further than it originally started at.
Then it's not the paleo diet that's to blame, it the INDIVIDUALS.