Do all kobe stans have kobe 3rd all time??

[NZStreetBaller]

I noticed that jabbar and stalkerforlife put kobe 3rd behind jordan and kareem and inhave it that way as well. Im pretty we as kobe stans are sometimes biased but definately not delusional.

[Mr Feeny]

I noticed that jabbar and stalkerforlife put kobe 3rd behind jordan and kareem and inhave it that way as well. Im pretty we as kobe stans are sometimes biased but definately not delusional.

We'll there's your answer isn't it? Having Kobe anywhere near top 3 all time is not just delusion, it's borderline psychotic. Lebron James fans would be less delusional having him as a top 3 player all time behind Jordan and Russell.

[JohnMax]

easily top 5

[Mr Feeny]

easily top 5

Here we go, OP.

[brownmamba00]

Top 3 to 5 all day haters stay mad

[KnittingRyu]

We'll there's your answer isn't it? Having Kobe anywhere near top 3 all time is not just delusion, it's borderline psychotic. Lebron James fans would be less delusional having him as a top 3 player all time behind Jordan and Russell.

:kobe:

[FKAri]

The sport of basketball wouldn't even exist without Kobe.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Duncan > Kobe.

[KOBE143]

I think they are just being considerate and unbiased when they say Kobe is 3rd greatest player of all time but in reality Kobe is above Jabbar and Jordan..

[Marchesk]

The sport of basketball wouldn't even exist without Kobe.

ISH wouldn't exist without Kobe. Dude should be getting royalties from this site.

[riseagainst]

I think they are just being considerate and unbiased when they say Kobe is 3rd greatest player of all time but in reality Kobe is above Jabbar and Jordan..

:lol
:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

How can you honestly say Kobe isn't at least top 5 all time? Kobe would beat the shit out of Magic and Larry and you know it. Kobe could probably score at will against Bill Russell in the post. (Supposedly the greatest defender ever and top 5 all time) Who else is there? Wilt is on a tier with Bran, great regular season guys and chokers when the lights are the brightest.

MJ
Kareem
KOBE

PERIOD.

[Mr Feeny]

How can you honestly say Kobe isn't at least top 5 all time? Kobe would beat the shit out of Magic and Larry and you know it. Kobe could probably score at will against Bill Russell in the post. (Supposedly the greatest defender ever and top 5 all time) Who else is there? Wilt is on a tier with Bran, great regular season guys and chokers when the lights are the brightest.

MJ
Kareem
KOBE

PERIOD.

Tbf Lebron sh1ts all over a kobe so "how can you say thay Kobe is above Bean? "
Regards,
Feeny

[Sakkreth]

He ain't even top 3 laker.

[G0ATbe]

Nope, he's top 1 in my book.

[Dr Hawk]

Shaq > Kobe
Hakeem > Kobe
Duncan > Kobe
Chamberlain > Kobe
LeBron > Kobe
Dirk maybe > Kobe
Garnett > Kobe

[G0ATbe]

Shaq > Kobe
Hakeem > Kobe
Duncan > Kobe
Chamberlain > Kobe
LeBron > Kobe
Dirk maybe > Kobe
Garnett > Kobe
5>4
5>2
5>4.5
5>2
5>1.5*
5>1
5>1

[ISHGoat]

What kobe stans fail to realize to this very day is that as a player/impact on the game perspective, kobe is not even top 25. But his resume is top 5.

Put healthy tmac or any other SG on those lakers from 00-10 and they will win just as many, if not more rings.

[Hit_Em]

5>4
5>2
5>4.5
5>2
5>1.5*
5>1
5>1
http://i1103.photobucket.com/albums/g473/dco361/13690244.jpg

duncan with 4.5 rings lmao

[AnaheimLakers24]

I have him above bums like wilt, russel(joke), bird, and magic. So wherever that is. Probably top 4

[TheGreatDeraj]

Second best non-center of all time

Jordan
Kobe
Magic
Bird
Lebron

Centers:
Russell
Kareem
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem

[Bosnian Sajo]

Jordan
KAJ
Kobe
Shaq
Wilt


Sounds about right. I swear if one of you ******s has Bill ****ing Russell ahead of Kobe...dude won MVP in an era where 14ppg was enough (1965, I shit you not), **** outta here.

[kennethgriffin]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=384861



^^^^ from the other day..



#1 Jordan
#2 Kareem
#3 Russell
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic
#6 Duncan
#7 Shaq
#8 Bird
#9 Hakeem
#10 Wilt
#11 Lebron
#12 Oscar
#13 West
#14 Baylor
#15 moses
#16 Erving
#17 Pettit
#18 Mikan
#19 Havlicek
#20 Barkley
#21 Malone
#22 Garnett
#23 Dirk
#24 Cousy
#25 Wade
#26 Stockton
#27 Thomas
#28 Robinson
#29 Pippen
#30 Barry

[Dr Hawk]

kenneth

if you had to start a franchise now, would you pick Russell over Kobe?

[kennethgriffin]

only reason i have russell ahead of kobe is cause even with his rings cut in half from a sh*t era.. hes still got 5.5

[Bosnian Sajo]

What kobe stans fail to realize to this very day is that as a player/impact on the game perspective, kobe is not even top 25. But his resume is top 5.

Put healthy tmac or any other SG on those lakers from 00-10 and they will win just as many, if not more rings.

Of all the guards you can mention, you pick the guy who has never been out of the 1st round?

[VIntageNOvel]

Top 3 in all time list
Top 1 in our heart

[kennethgriffin]

kenneth

if you had to start a franchise now, would you pick Russell over Kobe?

no but he had the better career and thats what we're talking about




and drafts heavily favor drafting by position and not talent


if anything youd wanna take all centers with the first 5 picks due to there being allot less dominant ones compared to the guard and forward pool

[ShawkFactory]

He has an argument as a top 5 players. And since they love him they frequently make that argument.

Most disagree. And it's kinda telling that only his stans have him THAT high.

[Bosnian Sajo]

only reason i have russell ahead of kobe is cause even with his rings cut in half from a sh*t era.. hes still got 5.5

There were only 6 teams in the league. Imagine Lebron's Heat playing in a league with only 5 other teams, their biggest competition being the Indiana Pacers. How long was the regular season during this time period? The game has evolved way to much to be still comparing those players to modern players, imo.

But for the sake of comparison, when Russell's name comes up, the obvious must be stated.

[Rocketswin2013]

If people actually believe the guy is top 5, I'd love to see their criteria.

There are at least 5 centers with a case over Bryant. There is no legitimate argument for him being ranked that high.

[kennethgriffin]

There were only 6 teams in the league. Imagine Lebron's Heat playing in a league with only 5 other teams, their biggest competition being the Indiana Pacers. How long was the regular season during this time period? The game has evolved way to much to be still comparing those players to modern players, imo.

But for the sake of comparison, when Russell's name comes up, the obvious must be stated.


if we're talking about just talent and not careers


my top 5 is

#1 Kobe
#2 Bird
#3 Jordan
#4 Hakeem
#5 Kareem

but with careers its

#1 Jordan
#2 Kareem
#3 Russell
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic

period

[ShawkFactory]

if we're talking about just talent and not careers


my top 5 is

#1 Kobe
#2 Bird
#3 Jordan
#4 Hakeem
#5 Kareem

but with careers its

#1 Jordan
#2 Kareem
#3 Russell
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic

period
:oldlol:

[Dr Seuss]

I dont even bother to rank other players. Kobe's 1 of 1!!!!

:applause: :bowdown: :applause: :rockon: :bowdown: :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

If people actually believe the guy is top 5, I'd love to see their criteria.

There are at least 5 centers with a case over Bryant. There is no legitimate argument for him being ranked that high.

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Tim Duncan 1.0000
7. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
8. John Havlicek* 1.0000
9. Oscar Robertson* 1.0000
10. Bob Cousy* 1.0000
11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
12. Jerry West* 1.0000
13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
14. Karl Malone* 1.0000
15. LeBron James 1.0000
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000
19. David Robinson* 1.0000
20. Moses Malone* 1.0000
21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000
22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9991
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8745
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
85. Pau Gasol 0.8086
86. Tim Hardaway 0.7919
87. Richie Guerin* 0.7821
88. Joe Dumars* 0.7560
89. Shawn Marion 0.7559
90. Dennis Rodman* 0.7532
91. Gail Goodrich* 0.7398
92. Amar'e Stoudemire 0.7293
93. Larry Costello 0.7097
94. Mitch Richmond* 0.6998
95. Dick McGuire* 0.6920
96. Andy Phillip* 0.6810
97. George Yardley* 0.6761
98. Nate Thurmond* 0.6684
99. Artis Gilmore* 0.6480
100. Walt Bellamy* 0.6421



Hall of Fame Probability

Explanation ▪ Career & Active Leaders

Introduction

Edited on 10/24/14 to reflect updates to our method

What statistics or accomplishments have the Hall of Fame voters deemed to be most important? This question can be answered using a technique called logistic regression. The logistic regression model is a binary response model where the response is classified as either a "success" (in this case, being elected to the Hall of Fame) or a "failure" (not being elected to the Hall of Fame). One or more predictor variables are selected and the resulting model can be used to predict the probability of a success given certain values of the predictor(s).

Building the Model

For the Hall of Fame problem, we tried to use as many predictor variables as we could. Player awards, sustained effectiveness as measured by appearances on leaderboards, and peak dominance (measured as a player's peak Win Shares output), all have explanatory value. Number of championships is a strong predictor, as well, along with the player's height. Our player pool includes players who have played a minimum of 400 NBA games and were retired by the end of the 2004-05 season, so that they've had several years to be considered. We excluded players that spent significant time in the ABA. As well, from the list of current Hall of Famers we excluded players with fewer than 50 Win Shares. The reasoning here is that the media and likely voters are more attunded to statistical output, however refined, than they were through the 1980s. There are players that have been inducted in the past that aren't necessary predictive of future inductions.

Players receive points for appearing on leaderboards, receiving 10 points for leading the league in a category and 1 point for finishing 10th. This seems like a fair way to award credit for both black and gray ink. The eligible statistical categories include PTS, TRB, AST, MP, STL, BLK. The list of predictor variables is:

Height (in.)
NBA Championships
NBA Leaderboard Points
NBA Peak Win Shares
All-Star Game Selections
Keep in mind that this exercise aims to predict who is likely to be inducted, as a Player, and based solely on NBA accomplishments and statistical output. There are coaches and contributors at all levels of the game, as well as foreign players and WNBA stars that are also worthy of induction.

Example

The parameter estimates given in the previous section can be used to obtain the predicted probability of Hall of Fame election for a particular player. We'll go through an example using Tony Parker following the 2013-14 season. Find the values of the five predictor variables for Parker, multiply them by the coefficients given in the table above, and find the sum of the products:

Int. -0.20303
Height (in.) -0.14203 * 74 = -10.51022
NBA Championships 0.80573 * 4 = 3.22292
NBA Leaderboard Points 0.01594 * 4 = 0.06376
NBA Peak Win Shares 0.41568 * 9.6 = 3.99053
NBA All-Star Game Selections 1.02443 * 6 = 6.14658
---------------------------------------------------------------
2.71054

To find the predicted probability of Hall of Fame election, do the following:

P(HoF election) = 1 / (1 + exp(-(2.71054)))
= 93.8%
Based on Tony Parker's statistics and accomplishments, the probability that he will be elected to the Hall of Fame, as it stands now, is 93.8%

Summary

Hall of Fame probabilities are presented for all players with a minimum of 400 NBA games played. Although it can be risky to make predictions for active players, you can think of these probabilities as answering the question "If this player retired today, what is the probability he would be elected to the Hall of Fame?"

http://www.sports-reference.com/blog/2014/10/new-hall-of-fame-prediction-model/

[kennethgriffin]

:oldlol:

you dont think kobe and bird are more talented than jordan?


give kobe/bird his athleticism/hands/speed/verticality/strength/quickness


see what happens


better yet.. give them lebrons body

:roll:


81 turns into 121

[ShawkFactory]

you dont think kobe and bird are more talented than jordan?


give kobe/bird his athleticism/hands/speed/verticality/strength/quickness


see what happens


better yet.. give them lebrons body

:roll:


81 turns into 121
Your definition of talent is unbelievably narrow and subjective :oldlol:

[riseagainst]

if we're talking about just talent and not careers


my top 5 is

#1 Kobe
#2 Bird
#3 Jordan
#4 Hakeem
#5 Kareem

but with careers its

#1 Jordan
#2 Kareem
#3 Russell
#4 Kobe
#5 Magic

period


:lol
:roll:

great list
:bowdown:

[9erempiree]

I have him and MJ as the greatest player ever.

Just put their names in a hat a draw. That is how close they are.

[dazzer87]

He ain't even top 3 laker.
Yup.....

[Stu Jackson]

cmon be rational puttin him there is spittin in the face of every legend

[Showtime2001]

Kobe > Duncan.

[Cold soul]

Top 10 anywhere from 6-9 sounds about right.

[Stu Jackson]

Top 10 anywhere from 6-9 sounds about right.
you must be under 30 or a lakers fan and a dumb one at that because a handful of purple and gold are better

that is a complete joke

last top 10 player in this league was shaq

kobe was never better than tmac in his best years or kd today

[Carter_17]

I have Kobe as the true GOAT.
MJ had zero competition in the guards, the GoAT rebounder, GoAT coach and the GoAT second option.

Kareem is irrelevant cause he played before 90s

[Stu Jackson]

I have Kobe as the true GOAT.
MJ had zero competition in the guards, the GoAT rebounder, GoAT coach and the GoAT second option.

Kareem is irrelevant cause he played before 90s
man you kids are dumb

goat coach maybe, but the goat rebounder could not grab boards at that rate and play great d at the same time which is why his rebounds dropped in the playoffs

scottie pippen was a great talent maybe second best wing of mjs era but the teams of the 80s had much more depth and stars

learn and accept that kobe is not a legendary player. give tmac shaq and phil from 2000 to 2007 --since shaq would have signed the 2 year extension and phil would have stayed-- and they are on par with the bulls dynasty

[Levity]

learn and accept that kobe is not a legendary player. give tmac shaq and phil from 2000 to 2007 --since shaq would have signed the 2 year extension and phil would have stayed-- and they are on par with the bulls dynasty

you should learn to accept reality first, before we learn to accept your fictitious narrative.

[Stu Jackson]

you should learn to accept reality first, before we learn to accept your fictitious narrative.
reality is a product of chance, only the fool wont account for it

i refuse to reward a player for good luck i only care who was better

[Cold soul]

you must be under 30 or a lakers fan and a dumb one at that because a handful of purple and gold are better

that is a complete joke

last top 10 player in this league was shaq

kobe was never better than tmac in his best years or kd today


Wow you're an idiot. Kobe never being better than T-Mac, or KD really? I'm more than sure you know jack shit about basketball please stop talking about it. GTFO troll. :hammerhead:

[Stu Jackson]

Wow you're an idiot. Kobe never being better than T-Mac, or KD really? I'm more than sure you know jack shit about basketball please stop talking about it. GTFO troll. :hammerhead:
nobody and i mean NOBODY at the time said kobe was on another level from tmac and kd now is better than kobe ever was

kd is the second coming of mj not as athletic but he is the real deal