Curt Schilling fired by ESPN for speaking facts

[UK2K]

ESPN, the champion of Caitlyn Jenner and purveyor of the gay kiss seen ’round the world, has a real issue with anyone taking aim at violent Islamic extremism. Even with facts.

The “entertainment and sports network,” owned jointly by The Walt Disney Co. and the Manhattan-based Hearst Corp., publisher of Cosmopolitan and O, The Oprah Mgazine, promptly suspended a former major league pitcher over a tweet that compared Muslims to Nazi-era Germans.

“Only 5-10% of Muslims are extremists. In 1940, only 7% of Germans were Nazis. How’d that go?” the tweet said, which wasn’t actually written by famed pitcher Curt Schilling. He simply retweeted a meme, adding his own text: “The math is staggering when you get the true #’s.”


Although he quickly deleted the tweet, it was too late. The PC police were on the way.

ESPN, which gave Bruce “Caitlyn” Jenner its Arthur Ashe Courage award (instead of star athlete Noah Galloway, who lost an arm and a leg in a roadside bomb attack in Iraq and who now competes in marathons and ran the 58-hour “Death Race”), was swift with the sword.

“Curt’s tweet was completely unacceptable, and in no way represents our company’s perspective. We made that point very strongly to Curt and have removed him from his current Little League assignment pending further consideration,” the network said.

Most interesting was the discussion that never happened: The comparison of radical Islamists to Nazis is backed by fact. Here’s why:

There were about six million official members of the Nazi Party in 1940 — about 8 percent of the population then of Germany. Using PolitiFact’s loose definition, about 19 percent of Islamists worldwide, some 182 million, are “radicalized.” Author Ben Shapiro, who uses a much more stringent definition of “radicalized,” puts the number at more than 800 million, about 80 percent of Muslims. But either way, fact.

Fired for speaking facts. I know, I know, freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence.

Lesson learned, be careful what you say, because anything and everything is offensive these days.

[warriorfan]

Government doesn't have to censor when corporations do it for them.

[Patrick Chewing]

You cannot talk about Islam or violent Muslims. We must let the Muslims take over the world and kill us all in the process.

[NumberSix]

Replace the word "Muslims" with "police". Does he still get fired?

[senelcoolidge]

espn is such sh#t. They along with all of their liberal friends will be the first to have their heads put on stakes by their beloved muslim friends.

[UK2K]

Replace the word "Muslims" with "police". Does he still get fired?

No.

[Lensanity]

I don't want ISIS to attack anything in the US but if they had to bomb a major corporation I wouldn't be upset if they chose ESPN.

[niko]

If i said something stupid at work and they moved me from 1 job to another, didn't take away my pay, and i didn't lose the job i wouldn't call it fired but that's just me.

[UK2K]

If i said something stupid at work and they moved me from 1 job to another, didn't take away my pay, and i didn't lose the job i wouldn't call it fired but that's just me.

He was originally suspended. Tried to alter the title, but cant.

I like this though, from ESPN


ESPN PR quickly responded, saying they did not agree with the views Schilling expressed in the tweet, and immediately removed him from his current assignment broadcasting the Little League World Series.

So I guess ESPN thinks the statistics are false? If they did, they would have removed him completely. Ultimately, they know what he was saying was true, but to save face, they had to reprimand him.

[tomtucker]

fukk ESPN:banghead:

[Thorpesaurous]

I'm not crazy about ESPN. But I'm also not crazy about Curt Schilling.

These guys who trade on their fame to become public faces for companies as spokespeople or whatever, this is inherently part of the bargain.

I have more problem with them suspending Tony Kornheiser for some of the stuff he's said, on air even, or letting go of Bill Simmons (both of whom I admittedly like), mostly because those guys are there to present their opinions. That's their job. And as an audience member, I'm free to agree or disagree and watch or read or not. But it's sort of the point of those guys. Columnists they'd call them in newspaper days.

A guy like Schilling is more of a specialist. He's there to be a face for baseball and provide his baseball insight. I'm not offended by anything he tweets, but I don't blame the network for fearing backlash. I do blame them when they can someone they pay to form opinions when he forms an opinion they aren't crazy about.

[UK2K]

I'm not crazy about ESPN. But I'm also not crazy about Curt Schilling.

These guys who trade on their fame to become public faces for companies as spokespeople or whatever, this is inherently part of the bargain.

I have more problem with them suspending Tony Kornheiser for some of the stuff he's said, on air even, or letting go of Bill Simmons (both of whom I admittedly like), mostly because those guys are there to present their opinions. That's their job. And as an audience member, I'm free to agree or disagree and watch or read or not. But it's sort of the point of those guys. Columnists they'd call them in newspaper days.

A guy like Schilling is more of a specialist. He's there to be a face for baseball and provide his baseball insight. I'm not offended by anything he tweets, but I don't blame the network for fearing backlash. I do blame them when they can someone they pay to form opinions when he forms an opinion they aren't crazy about.

Great point.

[Nanners]

Makes perfect sense from a business point of view.

Like most television networks, ESPN needs to attract as many viewers as possible. An entire 25% of the worlds population is muslim. If you are in the business of attracting people to your tv network, you probably should try not to alienate an entire quarter of the worlds population.

[UK2K]

Makes perfect sense from a business point of view.

Like most television networks, ESPN needs to attract as many viewers as possible. An entire 25% of the worlds population is muslim. If you are in the business of attracting people to your tv network, you probably should try not to alienate an entire quarter of the worlds population.

Regardless if it is true?

I mean, I'm with you, its not his place to point out facts not related to baseball, but... really?

[Nanners]

Regardless if it is true?

I mean, I'm with you, its not his place to point out facts not related to baseball, but... really?

yes regardless if its true.

The majority of the planets muslims live in southeast Asia, not the middle east. There are 200 million muslims in Indonesia, there are 177 million muslims in India, there are 148 million muslims in Bangladesh. ESPN does not want to alienate these people, its bad for business.

is it even true? post a source

[Akrazotile]

Boycott ESPN

[DeuceWallaces]

He was not fired.

And please link this, presumably hilarious, conservative website you took the article from. I could use a laugh with my afternoon coffee break.

[niko]

If you're a celebrity hired by a company to represent them you can't also be the controversial twitter person, right or wrong. It just doesn't work. A lot of what people argue is always "but he's right". It's not relevant. Do you want to be right? Or keep your high paying gig?

In real life, you can't say anything you want, anytime you want.

[NumberSix]

Any private company has the right to chose who represents them and HOW they represent them.

[KnittingRyu]

Is there any source for the 5-10% of Muslims being extremists? Curt's "facts" are based on a meme that are meant to make Muslims look untrustworthy.

[UK2K]

He was not fired.

And please link this, presumably hilarious, conservative website you took the article from. I could use a laugh with my afternoon coffee break.

Which part was false? Point it out for me.

[9erempiree]

yes regardless if its true.

The majority of the planets muslims live in southeast Asia, not the middle east. There are 200 million muslims in Indonesia, there are 177 million muslims in India, there are 148 million muslims in Bangladesh. ESPN does not want to alienate these people, its bad for business.

is it even true? post a source

Muslims don't watch ESPN. They have better things to such as praying.

Isn't the Koran against sports? I remember some Muslims telling me that.

[Patrick Chewing]

Boycott ESPN


The alternative isn't much better unfortunately. And in some markets, there isn't an alternative.

[9erempiree]

He was not fired.

And please link this, presumably hilarious, conservative website you took the article from. I could use a laugh with my afternoon coffee break.

Shouldn't you be doing something more productive than drinking coffee like planting a tree or something.

[9erempiree]

Is there any source for the 5-10% of Muslims being extremists? Curt's "facts" are based on a meme that are meant to make Muslims look untrustworthy.

Over 50% of Muslims in this world thought the 9/11 Attacks were great, as polled by PEW.

So Kurt's numbers are really low. ESPN had every right to suspend him for those low numbers.

[UK2K]

Is there any source for the 5-10% of Muslims being extremists? Curt's "facts" are based on a meme that are meant to make Muslims look untrustworthy.

We can call it 5% to equate it to Nazism, but its probably much higher.

[QUOTE]Britain. In 2006, a poll for the Sunday Telegraph found that 40% of British Muslims wanted shariah law in the United Kingdom, and that 20% backed the 7/7 bombers. Another poll from that year showed that 45% of British Muslims said that 9/11 was an American/Israeli conspiracy; that poll showed that one-quarter of British Muslims believed that the 7/7 bombings were justified.

Palestinian Areas. A poll in 2011 showed that 32% of Palestinians supported the brutal murder of five Israeli family members, including a three-month-old baby. In 2009, a poll showed that 78% of Palestinians had positive or mixed feelings about Osama Bin Laden. A 2013 poll showed 40% of Palestinians supporting suicide bombings and attacks against civilians. 89% favored sharia law. Currently, 89% of Palestinians support terror attacks on Israel.

Pakistan. After the killing of Osama Bin Laden, the Gilani Foundation did a poll of Pakistanis and found that 51% of them grieved for the terrorist mastermind, with 44% of them stating that he was a martyr. In 2009, 26% of Pakistanis approved of attacks on US troops in Iraq. That number was 29% for troops in Afghanistan. Overall, 76% of Pakistanis wanted strict shariah law in every Islamic country.

Morocco. A 2009 poll showed that 68% of Moroccans approved of terrorist attacks on US troops in Iraq; 61% backed attacks on American troops in Afghanistan as of 2006. 76% said they wanted strict sharia law in every Islamic country.

Jordan. 72% of Jordanians backed terror attacks against US troops in Iraq as of 2009. In 2010, the terrorist group Hezbollah had a 55% approval rating; Hamas had a 60% approval rating.

Indonesia: In 2009, a poll demonstrated that 26% of Indonesians approved of attacks on US troops in Iraq; 22% backed attacks on American troops in Afghanistan. 65% said they agreed with Al Qaeda on pushing US troops out of the Middle East. 49% said they supported strict sharia law in every Islamic country. 70% of Indonesians blamed 9/11 on the United States, Israel, someone else, or didn

[DeuceWallaces]

Shouldn't you be doing something more productive than drinking coffee like planting a tree or something.

Hmmm, I don't think you understand science.

[KNOW1EDGE]

You cannot talk about Islam or violent Muslims. We must let the Muslims take over the world and kill us all in the process.

I agree

[longtime lurker]

Jesus you guys are so stupid. Do you understand how many Muslims there are in the world? And how the world would literally be in ****ing flames if 10% were extremists? Comparing Muslims to Nazis and not ID ID to Nazis, Schilling knows what he was doing. Typical conservative dip shit.

[TripleA]

Jesus you guys are so stupid. Do you understand how many Muslims there are in the world? And how the world would literally be in ****ing flames if 10% were extremists? Comparing Muslims to Nazis and not ID ID to Nazis, Schilling knows what he was doing. Typical conservative dip shit.

The vast majority of terrorists kill other Muslims. Why do people care so much about the Islamists when they they do not affect at all. When the people fighting Isis on the ground are Muslims. They people getting murdered by Isis are Muslims. Saying radicalized islam is problem is fair point but it is not really problem to most americans. America is literally 2 percent muslim at the very most. Europe and other moderate muslim countries have a lot more to worry about when it comes to radical Islam than Americans.

[Coach Eddie]

No 2 day suspension?

[Patrick Chewing]

Jesus you guys are so stupid. Do you understand how many Muslims there are in the world? And how the world would literally be in ****ing flames if 10% were extremists? Comparing Muslims to Nazis and not ID ID to Nazis, Schilling knows what he was doing. Typical conservative dip shit.


Most Nazi's pertained to Germany alone. There are violent Muslims across the entire globe.

[UK2K]

Jesus you guys are so stupid. Do you understand how many Muslims there are in the world? And how the world would literally be in ****ing flames if 10% were extremists? Comparing Muslims to Nazis and not ID ID to Nazis, Schilling knows what he was doing. Typical conservative dip shit.

I see you skipped over the giant post that lists Muslims from different countries and what percentage of said Muslims were labeled extremists.

Its not like its an ISH survey, there are respected studies done on it.

Ignore them and scream racist if you want (I know you're dying to say it), as always, it wont change the truth.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Schilling is a right-wing redneck, like Trump.

[UK2K]

Schilling is a right-wing redneck, like Trump.

Yet he wasn't lying though, when he said what he said.

[KnittingRyu]

Yet he wasn't lying though, when he said what he said.

Again, he is talking about stats without a source.

[Godzuki]

if Trump was Prez this wouldn't have happened :pimp:

[KnittingRyu]

if Trump was Prez this wouldn't have happened :pimp:
lol

[UK2K]

Again, he is talking about stats without a source.
I've posted a list of sources that day its a lot more than 5%.

PEW research center for one. You can read them yourself.

If he had posted an source, he'd be OK?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Muslims don't watch ESPN. They have better things to such as praying.

Isn't the Koran against sports? I remember some Muslims telling me that.

Who told you that? Considering the only Muslims you know are on this forum, name em.

[imdaman99]

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:lol this guy should work with OP and friends

[KNOW1EDGE]

Way to pick and choose, Curt.

Ya know, cuz the bible says nothing about killing, no one in the bible has ever slaughtered thousands of innocent people in the name of God.

And the Quran only talks about killing. It has no positive doctrine

[Patrick Chewing]

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:lol this guy should work with OP and friends


You scare me man. You're literally dismissing a direct quote from both books where one has a passage of peace and one has a passage of violence and you think OP is the one with the problem.

Don't let me run into you in the city, brah.

[imdaman99]

Way to pick and choose, Curt.

Ya know, cuz the bible says nothing about killing, no one in the bible has ever slaughtered thousands of innocent people in the name of God.

And the Quran only talks about killing. It has no positive doctrine
That isn't even a quote from the Qur'an :roll:


You scare me man. You're literally dismissing a direct quote from both books where one has a passage of peace and one has a passage of violence and you think OP is the one with the problem.

Don't let me run into you in the city, brah.
You're more of a terrorist/extremist than any Muslim I know. So much hate in your life, I suggest you try new meds buddy :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

The vast majority of terrorists kill other Muslims. Why do people care so much about the Islamists when they they do not affect at all. When the people fighting Isis on the ground are Muslims. They people getting murdered by Isis are Muslims. Saying radicalized islam is problem is fair point but it is not really problem to most americans. America is literally 2 percent muslim at the very most. Europe and other moderate muslim countries have a lot more to worry about when it comes to radical Islam than Americans.

Thank you.

I get offended when Muslims in America get mad for what I say when they are hiding their asses from ISIS in America.

They should also shut up because they know nothing about the Muslims I'm talking about.

[longtime lurker]

The vast majority of terrorists kill other Muslims. Why do people care so much about the Islamists when they they do not affect at all. When the people fighting Isis on the ground are Muslims. They people getting murdered by Isis are Muslims. Saying radicalized islam is problem is fair point but it is not really problem to most americans. America is literally 2 percent muslim at the very most. Europe and other moderate muslim countries have a lot more to worry about when it comes to radical Islam than Americans.

Because mouth breathers like UK2K and Patrick Chewing are fed a steady does of Fox news bullshit and right wing propaganda. When you try and point out facts that white guys that look like them kill more Americans than ISIS they call you a liberal sympathizer or some lame insult. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. 10% of that population is 105 million people. They truly believe that there are 105 million extremists on the level out ISIS out there. Just think how completely idiotic you have to be to believe that.

[9erempiree]

Because mouth breathers like UK2K and Patrick Chewing are fed a steady does of Fox news bullshit and right wing propaganda. When you try and point out facts that white guys that look like them kill more Americans than ISIS they call you a liberal sympathizer or some lame insult. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. 10% of that population is 105 million people. They truly believe that there are 105 million extremists on the level out ISIS out there. Just think how completely idiotic you have to be to believe that.

More like 50 millionusls that believe in sharia and 911

[Patrick Chewing]

That isn't even a quote from the Qur'an :roll:


You're more of a terrorist/extremist than any Muslim I know. So much hate in your life, I suggest you try new meds buddy :oldlol:


I will pray for you tonight. And the night after. Until one day, when Jesus comes down again, he takes you up with me, brother.

[TheMan]

Fired for speaking facts. I know, I know, freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequence.

Lesson learned, be careful what you say, because anything and everything is offensive these days.
Pinoys and Colombians all suck dick, and former marines are all raging fggots.

Freedom of speech :pimp:

[tomtucker]

[I]In all honesty, there

[Lakers Legend#32]

When Schilling did not get elected into the Hall of Fame earlier this year, he blamed it on his being a Republican.

Typical right-wing hack, wallowing in his own victimhood.

[Vaniiiia]

When 10% of your religion are extremists, it's time to adopt a new religion. Or get new genetics.

Savages.

[Mr Feeny]

When 10% of your religion are extremists, it's time to adopt a new religion. Or get new genetics.

Savages.

New poster here. What a wonderful contribution.

[KNOW1EDGE]

New poster here. What a wonderful contribution.

This is who your talking to, cut the poor kid some slack

http://s13.postimg.org/7ay2gfobb/budadiii.jpg

[iamgine]

99% of Muslims who say they support Osama or glad for terrorism they think America is the devil will never do anything even if called upon.

It's just like most Americans. Do we hate North Korea? Sure. Will any of us volunteer to go there as a soldier? Heck no.

Can these people really be called extremist?

[Nick Young]

Would the western world be making these excuses for Christians if they were committing the crazy terrorist acts and declaring holy wars against all non-christians and sneaking AK47s on to trains to try to massacre people for no reason in such large numbers?


#NOTALLMUSLIMS

[Nick Young]

99% of Muslims who say they support Osama or glad for terrorism they think America is the devil will never do anything even if called upon.

It's just like most Americans. Do we hate North Korea? Sure. Will any of us volunteer to go there as a soldier? Heck no.

Can these people really be called extremist?
where did you pull that statistic? Out of your ass?

[9erempiree]

99% of Muslims who say they support Osama or glad for terrorism they think America is the devil will never do anything even if called upon.

It's just like most Americans. Do we hate North Korea? Sure. Will any of us volunteer to go there as a soldier? Heck no.

Can these people really be called extremist?

Source please?

As for Americans volunteering? That is what we do bro. These soldiers sign on to fight.

We stopped with that mandatory shit unlike other countries.

[iamgine]

Source please?

As for Americans volunteering? That is what we do bro. These soldiers sign on to fight.

We stopped with that mandatory shit unlike other countries.
Obv not counting people who are already soldiers :biggums:

[Nick Young]

Obv not counting people who are already soldiers :biggums:
99% of Muslims who say they support Osama or glad for terrorism they think America is the devil will never do anything even if called upon.

Where did you get this number?

[9erempiree]

Obv not counting people who are already soldiers :biggums:

I'm pretty sure there are 2nd amendment rednecks out there that would love to fight if you want to exclude soldiers.

[UK2K]

Because mouth breathers like UK2K and Patrick Chewing are fed a steady does of Fox news bullshit and right wing propaganda. When you try and point out facts that white guys that look like them kill more Americans than ISIS they call you a liberal sympathizer or some lame insult. There are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. 10% of that population is 105 million people. They truly believe that there are 105 million extremists on the level out ISIS out there. Just think how completely idiotic you have to be to believe that.

1) I dont watch TV. Or Fox.

2) What % of the religion is radicalized, according to your research? Cause I can point to dozens of studies that show you're an idiot.

[Nick Young]

al-Taqiyya:
deception; the islamic word for concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies.

Remember people. Muslims are taught in their own holy book to lie to non-Muslims in the name of forwarding their religion.

2:26: The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.

Also the Koran literally says that any Muslims who ally themselves with non-Muslims are exiled from God.

If a Muslim person ever denies al-Taqiyya to you and tells you it isn't true, THEY ARE LYING TO YOU and being a good Muslim at the same time.

This isn't secret information either. It's all right there in the Koran. Anyone can check a Koran out from the library themselves and look it up.


#notallmuslims

[BoutPractice]

Well, no matter how you look at it, either the statement makes no sense or the person who made it has a terrifying lack of moral compass.

But the hilarious part is how many are so quick to point the finger at anyone talking about Islam that they don't even understand why that is the case.

The problem is not just what he's suggesting about Muslims… it's also what he's suggesting about Germans!

'How'd that go'? What exactly is he saying? That someone should have 'dealt with' ordinary Germans before Hitler got into power? Even though he literally just said himself that 93% were innocent at the time (and disregarding the fact that many of those who eventually voted for him didn't know how it would turn out, and wouldn't have done it had they known)? And if that's not where he's getting at, then what's the purpose of the statement to begin with?

[UK2K]

Well, no matter how you look at it, this statement either makes no sense or the person who made it has a terrifying lack of moral compass.

But the hilarious part is how many are so quick to point the finger at anyone talking about Islam that they don't even understand why that is the case.

The problem is not just what he's suggesting about Muslims… it's also what he's suggesting about Germans!

'How'd that go'? What exactly is he saying? That someone should have 'dealt with' Germans before Hitler got into power? Even though he literally just said himself that 93% were innocent at the time? And if that's not where he's getting at, then what's the purpose of the statement to begin with?

His point was that only 7% (I think it was 7) of Germans were Nazis in the early stages, and they took over all of Europe and murdered 6,000,000 Jews, so a similar percentage (studies suggest it is much more) of Muslims, retracing the same path the Nazi party took (destroying history, genocide, rape, brainwashing) would be much, much worse.

[Nick Young]

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Well, no matter how you look at it, this statement either makes no sense or the person who made it has a terrifying lack of moral compass.

But the hilarious part is how many are so quick to point the finger at anyone talking about Islam that they don't even understand why that is the case.

The problem is not just what he's suggesting about Muslims

[imdaman99]

The usual suspects pulling verses out of context. They really need a new shtick when you interpret the Qur'an the same way that ISIS does :lol

[iamgine]

I'm pretty sure there are 2nd amendment rednecks out there that would love to fight if you want to exclude soldiers.
That's why I said "most". Not "all".