kobes career sans shaq = better than hakeems entire resume

[kennethgriffin]

honestly wtf are people smoking? kobes career sans shaq = better than hakeems entire resume






WTF are you smoking?


http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8RdI358c--/1402728710084800397.gif


:lol



Kobe Bryant 2005 - 2015

Hakeem Olajuwon 1985 - 2002


Overall:

NBA Championships - Kobe (2) = Hakeem (2)

NBA Finals - Kobe (3) = Hakeem (3)

NBA Finals MVP's - Kobe (2) = Hakeem (2)

NBA MVP's - Kobe (1) = Hakeem (1)

All-Star MVP's - Kobe (3) > Hakeem (0)

Scoring titles - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (0)

1st Team All NBA's - Kobe (8) > Hakeem (6)

1st Team All Defense's - Kobe (7) > Hakeem (5)

Starting All-Star - Kobe (11) > Hakeem (9)

Career High - Kobe (81) > Hakeem (52)

Olympic Gold Medals - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (1)






Kobe Bryant 50+ win teams beatin

2007-08 Denver Nuggets
2007-08 Utah Jazz
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs
2008-09 Houston Rockets
2008-09 Denver Nuggets
2008-09 Orlando Magic
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder
2009-10 Utah Jazz
2009-10 Phoenix Suns
2009-10 Boston Celtics



total - 10 (tie)



Hakeem Olajuwon 50+ win teams beatin:

1985-86 Los Angeles Lakers
1993-94 Phoenix Suns
1993-94 Utah Jazz
1993-94 New York Knicks
1994-95 Utah Jazz
1994-95 Phoenix Suns
1994-95 San Antonio Spurs
1994-95 Orlando Magic
1995-96 Los Angeles Lakers
1996-97 Seattle SuperSonics


total - 10 (tie)






Kobe Bryant 30 point games:
2005(30), 2006 (56), 2007 (38), 2008 (36), 2009 (27), 2010 (29), 2011 (23), 2012 (24), 2013 (35), 2015 (6)

total = 304

Hakeem Olajuwon 30 point games:
1985 (9), 1986 (12), 1987 (15), 1988 (10), 1989 (22), 1990 (16), 1991 (5), 1992 (8), 1993 (27), 1994 (26), 1995 (27), 1996 (28), 1997 (16), 1998 (1), 1999 (3), 2000 (1)

total = 226

--------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 40 point games:
40 point games - 2005 (10), 2006 (27), 2007 (18), 2008 (7), 2009 (4) 2010 (8), 2011 (3), 2012 (5), 2013 (8), 2015 (1)

total = 91

Hakeem Olajuwon 40 point games:
1985 (1), 1986 (1), 1987 (1), 1989 (2), 1990 (3), 1992 (1), 1993 (4), 1994 (4), 1995 (7), 1996 (5), 1997 (3)

total = 32

----------------------------------


Kobe Bryant 50+ point games:
2006 (6), 2007 (10), 2008 (2), 2009 (1)

total = 19

Hakeem Olajuwon 50+ point games:
50 = 1990 (1), 1996 (1)

total = 2

----------------------------------


Kobe Bryant 60+ point games:
2006 (2), 2007 (2), 2009 (1)

total = 6

Hakeem Olajuwon 60+ point games:

total = 0

----------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 70+ point games:
2006 (1)

total = 1

Hakeem Olajuwon 70+ point games:

total = 0

---------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 80+ point games:
2006 (1)

total = 1

Hakeem Olajuwon 80+ point games:

total = 0





miscellaneous:

NBA Championships without a top 50 all time sidekick - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (1)













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[kennethgriffin]

kobe is a run away top 10 all time player even without anything he did with shaq


:roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Love you OP, but comparison is disrespectful to Kobe.

Kobe is far better than Hakeem.

[kennethgriffin]

Love you OP, but comparison is disrespectful to Kobe.

Kobe is far better than Hakeem.



its not that disrespectful considering its cutting out nearly a decade of kobes career lol

[kennethgriffin]

its actually kind of insane that kobe has almost 100 more 30 point games in just 10 years than hakeem has in nearly 20 years


:biggums:



and in just 3 years kobes beatin as many 50+ win playoff teams as hakeem has in his entire life




damn

[stalkerforlife]

its not that disrespectful considering its cutting out nearly a decade of kobes career lol

:roll:

Poor Hakeem...:cry:

[plowking]

Is Lebron top 10 OP?

[kennethgriffin]

Is Lebron top 10 OP?


not yet.. he needs atleast 1 legit title


hakeem has an ultimate title in 94 ( no lockout. with no other great player )

and a good title in 95 ( no lockout. with just 1 other allstar )

neither time was there a shot to save hakeems season in a clinching game

so the only way for lebron to have a shot at eclipsing that is by winning a 3rd title


that stuff comes first. then we dissect the individual accomplishments

[9erempiree]

I love these comparisons because if you cut Kobe's career in half you can see how great he is still.

[stalkerforlife]

Bran has to win a title to even be mentioned.

Give him time...maybe one day he can win one.

[SouBeachTalents]

not yet.. he needs atleast 1 legit title


hakeem has an ultimate title in 94 ( no lockout. with no other great player )

and a good title in 95 ( no lockout. with just 1 other allstar )

neither time was there a shot to save hakeems season in a clinching game

so the only way for lebron to have a shot at eclipsing that is by winning a 3rd title


that stuff comes first. then we dissect the individual accomplishments

So Jordan not playing isn't an asterisk huh

[kennethgriffin]

So Jordan not playing isn't an asterisk huh


pretty sure an player retiring doesnt effect anything

jordan retired from 98 till 2001 aswell

duncans title already has an asterisk for a lockout season... but do we discount 2000 and 2001 lakers?


what ifs arent asterisk worthy. especially when the bulls had already won 3 in a row.. 4 in a row is never a gimmy in any sport under any circumstances


injuries are also part of the game ( which take a guy out of the mix - sometimes even the best player in the world ) shit happens

[kennethgriffin]

bill russell retired nba champion in 1969

do we discount the 1970 winner?


nope...

[SouBeachTalents]

pretty sure an player retiring doesnt effect anything

jordan retired from 98 till 2001 aswell

duncans title already has an asterisk for a lockout season... but do we discount 2000 and 2001 lakers?


what ifs arent asterisk worthy. especially when the bulls had already won 3 in a row.. 4 in a row is never a gimmy in any sport under any circumstances


injuries are also part of the game ( which take a guy out of the mix - sometimes even the best player in the world ) shit happens

Out of all the crazy shit you've posted, there's no way you believe that. No the way GOAT retiring for two seasons at his peak after a 3peat and before another 3peat "doesn't affect anything"

[kennethgriffin]

Out of all the crazy shit you've posted, there's no way you believe that. No the way GOAT retiring for two seasons at his peak after a 3peat and before another 3peat "doesn't affect anything"

if youre not playing in the nba. you cant really say anything

hakeem beat what was available...



theres great players who didnt compete in the nba all around the globe


arvydas sabonis in his prime might have made a huge difference aswell


oscar schmidt ? etc...

[Cold soul]

Kobe career accomplishments are much better than Hakeem but as players that's different argument all together.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe career accomplishments are much better than Hakeem but as players that's different argument all together.


no it isnt

there is no argument

nobody thinks hakeem was better... the only thing anyone can ever say is "bigs are more valuable cause theyre rare. if i was drafting an all time fantasy team i'd take hakeem over kobe cause blah blah blah centers centers centers"



can hakeem bring the ball up the floor? ... no... he cant do the things a guard does like handle outside


but kobe CAN post up. back people down. play on the low block ..


so who was more limited

[rmt]

Without Shaq, Kobe wouldn't even sniff the top 10. Lebron would be in his #9 spot with 2 rings/4 MVPs/2 FMVPs. Kobe would be on the outside looking in at Hakeem's back.

[SouBeachTalents]

no it isnt

there is no argument

nobody thinks hakeem was better... the only thing anyone can ever say is "bigs are more valuable cause theyre rare. if i was drafting an all time fantasy team i'd take hakeem over kobe cause blah blah blah centers centers centers"



can hakeem bring the ball up the floor? ... no... he cant do the things a guard does like handle outside


but kobe CAN post up. back people down. play on the low block ..


so who was more limited

'94 Hakeem > Kobe's best season

[rmt]

no it isnt

there is no argument

nobody thinks hakeem was better... the only thing anyone can ever say is "bigs are more valuable cause theyre rare. if i was drafting an all time fantasy team i'd take hakeem over kobe cause blah blah blah centers centers centers"



can hakeem bring the ball up the floor? ... no... he cant do the things a guard does like handle outside


but kobe CAN post up. back people down. play on the low block ..


so who was more limited

Hakeem's impact > Kobe's impact. No sane GM whose goal it is to win (not sell jerseys) is gonna choose Kobe over Hakeem. Who cares about bringing up the ball? - lots of NBA players can do that. But an elite two way big man? Those don't grow on trees.

[kennethgriffin]

Hakeem's impact > Kobe's impact. No sane GM whose goal it is to win (not sell jerseys) is gonna choose Kobe over Hakeem. Who cares about bringing up the ball? - lots of NBA players can do that. But an elite two way big man? Those don't grow on trees.


well history says otherwise


kobe has like 80 more games of 30+ in half a career than hakeem has in his whole career

3 times as many 40 point games in just half the time

10 times as many 50 point games in half the time


all while playing 1st team all defense, bringing the ball up the floor and being his teams #1 playmaker


what f*cking impact are you talking about


just more big man drooling from what i can see

[kennethgriffin]

a better player is a better player PERIOD... no ifs ands or buts


just cause a big man is more rare doesnt make him automatically better even with half the resume


or else you'l have to kick michael jordan out of the top 10 all time

typical agenda garbage whenever its a discussion about kobe


but never when its mike..then its all equal.. then bigs dont have that edge


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

'94 Hakeem > Kobe's best season


debatable... but kobe practically pulled a 94 hakeem 2 times

[KnittingRyu]

So much agenda by the OP, hand picking stats that support Kobe (mostly based around scoring with worse efficiency). The most obvious omission is Hakeem's back to back DPOY awards, including Hakeem getting MVP, FMVP, and DPOY all in 1 year.

We get to count Kobe's seasons leading the league in scoring? What about Hakeem's seasons leading in rebounding (2) and blocks (3) to Kobe's 0?

Hakeem also stepped things up in the playoffs.
Playoff scoring leader Hakeem (3) > Kobe (2)
Playoff rebounding leader Hakeem (2) > Kobe (0)
Playoff block leader Hakeem (3) > Kobe

Let us not forget 1 of Hakeem's championships came with 0 all-star teammates.

[KnittingRyu]

debatable... but kobe practically pulled a 94 hakeem 2 times

I'm sorry, Kobe has never been MVP, FMVP, DPOY with 0 all-stars on his team. Nothing is debatable about Kobe having a comparable season to that year for Hakeem.

[iamgine]

Hakeem DPOY 2
Kobe 0

One DPOY is worth a lot.

[kennethgriffin]

I'm sorry, Kobe has never been MVP, FMVP, DPOY with 0 all-stars on his team. Nothing is debatable about Kobe having a comparable season to that year for Hakeem.


media garbage

and its mainly a big man award that heavily favors blocks, rebounds... so kobe cant win it anyway unless the medias has a boner for kobe like they did with jordan

all that matters is leading a team to a championship with a poor supporting cast compared to past title teams


and i'l tell you something thats real as f*ck right here right now




jordan farmar ****ing sucks

sasha vujacic ****ing sucks

luke walton ****ing sucks

vladimir radmanovic ****ing sucks

josh powell ****ing sucks

dj mbenga ****ing sucks

shannon brown ****ing sucks

adam morrison ****ing sucks

derek fisher is the worst starting point guard in nba championship history

lamar odom was not, has never, will never and i mean EVER be an nba allstar



and pau f*cking gasol is the 85th best player all time according to basketball reference. a man whos 0-16 all time as leader in the playoffs.


big freaking deal man.. jesus christ


but lets not forget... andrew god damn f*cking bynum and his 6.3 points per game in the playoffs... and 6.0 points per game in the finals

:facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

Hakeem DPOY 2
Kobe 0

One DPOY is worth a lot.


absolutely useless in a discussion between a big and a guard


thats like comparing rebounding titles

[kennethgriffin]

So much agenda by the OP, hand picking stats that support Kobe (mostly based around scoring with worse efficiency). The most obvious omission is Hakeem's back to back DPOY awards, including Hakeem getting MVP, FMVP, and DPOY all in 1 year.

We get to count Kobe's seasons leading the league in scoring? What about Hakeem's seasons leading in rebounding (2) and blocks (3) to Kobe's 0?

Hakeem also stepped things up in the playoffs.
Playoff scoring leader Hakeem (3) > Kobe (2)
Playoff rebounding leader Hakeem (2) > Kobe (0)
Playoff block leader Hakeem (3) > Kobe

Let us not forget 1 of Hakeem's championships came with 0 all-star teammates.



jokes on you if you think trying your best to convince me that 20 years of hakeem is better than 10 years of kobe


but go ahead... do as much research as you can to "PROVE" me wrong

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Rocketswin2013]

media garbage

and its mainly a big man award that heavily favors blocks, rebounds... so kobe cant win it anyway unless the medias has a boner for kobe like they did with jordan

all that matters is leading a team to a championship with a poor supporting cast compared to past title teams


and i'l tell you something thats real as f*ck right here right now




jordan farmar ****ing sucks

sasha vujacic ****ing sucks

luke walton ****ing sucks

vladimir radmanovic ****ing sucks

josh powell ****ing sucks

dj mbenga ****ing sucks

shannon brown ****ing sucks

adam morrison ****ing sucks

derek fisher is the worst starting point guard in nba championship history

lamar odom was not, has never, will never and i mean EVER be an nba allstar



and pau f*cking gasol is the 85th best player all time according to basketball reference. a man whos 0-16 all time as leader in the playoffs.


big freaking deal man.. jesus christ


but lets not forget... andrew god damn f*cking bynum and his 6.3 points per game in the playoffs... and 6.0 points per game in the finals

:facepalm
Almost everything you listed in the OP is decided by the media. Only things that aren't were the champion seasons and regular season point totals.

[kennethgriffin]

Almost everything you listed in the OP is decided by the media. Only things that aren't were the champion seasons and regular season point totals.


Overall:

NBA Championships - Kobe (2) = Hakeem (2)

NBA Finals - Kobe (3) = Hakeem (3)

NBA Finals MVP's - Kobe (2) = Hakeem (2)

NBA MVP's - Kobe (1) = Hakeem (1)

All-Star MVP's - Kobe (3) > Hakeem (0)

Scoring titles - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (0)

1st Team All NBA's - Kobe (8) > Hakeem (6)

1st Team All Defense's - Kobe (7) > Hakeem (5)

Starting All-Star - Kobe (11) > Hakeem (9)

Career High - Kobe (81) > Hakeem (52)

Olympic Gold Medals - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (1)






Kobe Bryant 50+ win teams beatin

2007-08 Denver Nuggets
2007-08 Utah Jazz
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs
2008-09 Houston Rockets
2008-09 Denver Nuggets
2008-09 Orlando Magic
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder
2009-10 Utah Jazz
2009-10 Phoenix Suns
2009-10 Boston Celtics



total - 10 (tie)



Hakeem Olajuwon 50+ win teams beatin:

1985-86 Los Angeles Lakers
1993-94 Phoenix Suns
1993-94 Utah Jazz
1993-94 New York Knicks
1994-95 Utah Jazz
1994-95 Phoenix Suns
1994-95 San Antonio Spurs
1994-95 Orlando Magic
1995-96 Los Angeles Lakers
1996-97 Seattle SuperSonics


total - 10 (tie)






Kobe Bryant 30 point games:
2005(30), 2006 (56), 2007 (38), 2008 (36), 2009 (27), 2010 (29), 2011 (23), 2012 (24), 2013 (35), 2015 (6)

total = 304

Hakeem Olajuwon 30 point games:
1985 (9), 1986 (12), 1987 (15), 1988 (10), 1989 (22), 1990 (16), 1991 (5), 1992 (8), 1993 (27), 1994 (26), 1995 (27), 1996 (28), 1997 (16), 1998 (1), 1999 (3), 2000 (1)

total = 226

--------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 40 point games:
40 point games - 2005 (10), 2006 (27), 2007 (18), 2008 (7), 2009 (4) 2010 (8), 2011 (3), 2012 (5), 2013 (8), 2015 (1)

total = 91

Hakeem Olajuwon 40 point games:
1985 (1), 1986 (1), 1987 (1), 1989 (2), 1990 (3), 1992 (1), 1993 (4), 1994 (4), 1995 (7), 1996 (5), 1997 (3)

total = 32

----------------------------------


Kobe Bryant 50+ point games:
2006 (6), 2007 (10), 2008 (2), 2009 (1)

total = 19

Hakeem Olajuwon 50+ point games:
50 = 1990 (1), 1996 (1)

total = 2

----------------------------------


Kobe Bryant 60+ point games:
2006 (2), 2007 (2), 2009 (1)

total = 6

Hakeem Olajuwon 60+ point games:

total = 0

----------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 70+ point games:
2006 (1)

total = 1

Hakeem Olajuwon 70+ point games:

total = 0

---------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 80+ point games:
2006 (1)

total = 1

Hakeem Olajuwon 80+ point games:

total = 0





miscellaneous:

NBA Championships without a top 50 all time sidekick - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (1)







everything in bold = not done by the media ( or wasnt at the time - refering to defensive teams which were voted by coaches until last season )


:lol

[plowking]

not yet.. he needs atleast 1 legit title


hakeem has an ultimate title in 94 ( no lockout. with no other great player )

and a good title in 95 ( no lockout. with just 1 other allstar )

neither time was there a shot to save hakeems season in a clinching game

so the only way for lebron to have a shot at eclipsing that is by winning a 3rd title


that stuff comes first. then we dissect the individual accomplishments

Bron has as many legit titles as Hakeem.

To add further than that, Bron trumps Hakeem in just about all the things Kobe does that you mentioned. Yet you don't have him in your top 10.

This is what we call hypocrisy.

[kennethgriffin]

Bron has as many legit titles as Hakeem.

To add further than that, Bron trumps Hakeem in just about all the things Kobe does that you mentioned. Yet you don't have him in your top 10.

This is what we call hypocrisy.




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[9erempiree]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3051792746/4964891c705ae9e5b5e9d6dcd591122f.jpeg

[kennethgriffin]

hakeem 1994 title

+1 finals mvp
+1 no lockout
+1 no collude
+1 no ring chase
+1 no 2nd allstar
+1 no 3rd allstar
+1 no bail out shot

7 out of 7 title


lebron 2012

+1 finals mvp
-1 lockout
-1 collude
-1 ring chase
-1 2nd allstar
-1 3rd allstar
+1 no bail out shot

2 out of 7 title


lebron 2013

+1 finals mvp
+1 no lockout
-1 collude
-1 ring chase
-1 2nd allstar
-1 3rd allstar
-1 bail out shot


2 out of 7 title

[kennethgriffin]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/3051792746/4964891c705ae9e5b5e9d6dcd591122f.jpeg


"carry on" - Erievern

:lol

[iamgine]

absolutely useless in a discussion between a big and a guard


thats like comparing rebounding titlesRebounding is useless but DPOY is not.

[plowking]

lebron 2012

+1 finals mvp
-1 lockout
-1 collude
-1 ring chase
-1 2nd allstar
-1 3rd allstar
+1 no bail out shot

2 out of 7 title


lebron 2013

+1 finals mvp
+1 no lockout
-1 collude
-1 ring chase
-1 2nd allstar
-1 3rd allstar
-1 bail out shot


2 out of 7 title

Literally all of these apply to Kobe. Big shot Rob, and clutch as fark Fisher making huge bail out shots...
Kobe colluding to the Lakers, not wanting to play for the Hornets. Essentially ring chasing from the start. Shaq as his 1st option.

Even Ron Artest was making the big shots in 2010. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Literally all of these apply to Kobe. Big shot Rob, and clutch as fark Fisher making huge bail out shots...
Kobe colluding to the Lakers, not wanting to play for the Hornets. Essentially ring chasing from the start. Shaq as his 1st option.

Even Ron Artest was making the big shots in 2010. :oldlol:

A post from a previous thread


The last thing in the world I wanna do is get in a LeBron/Kobe back in forth, but it's hilarious to me you're so obsessed with this when Kobe's had more teammates make clutch shots than any other player of this era

Horry's GW against the Kings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYQDsZljAOY

Fisher's .4 shot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-u4pIQyjfE

Fisher's 3 against the Magic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VquoPzITjSI

Artest's GW against the Suns
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4seP2wD_K4

Artest's 3 against the Celtics
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-mT99HCFFI

Those are 4 series altering shots, with Artest's 3 being the dagger in Game 7

[Mr. Jabbar]

its not that disrespectful considering its cutting out nearly a decade of kobes career lol

damn.

kobe climbed from my top 5 to top 4 after reading the op :applause:

[KnittingRyu]

all that matters is leading a team to a championship with a poor supporting cast compared to past title teams

If so then '94 Hakeem wins this debate hands down.

[ImKobe]

you could say the same thing about Kobe vs Lebron...both 2 titles, but Kobe only needed half as many Finals appearances to win the same amount, and he still beat more 50 win teams, more scoring titles

[KnittingRyu]

you could say the same thing about Kobe vs Lebron...both 2 titles, but Kobe only needed half as many Finals appearances to win the same amount, and he still beat more 50 win teams, more scoring titles

Yeah, and half the playoff appearances too!

[KG215]

pretty sure an player retiring doesnt effect anything

jordan retired from 98 till 2001 aswell

duncans title already has an asterisk for a lockout season... but do we discount 2000 and 2001 lakers?

Of course we don't because it doesn't fit your agenda.


not yet.. he needs atleast 1 legit title
:facepalm

He's got 2 legit titles dumbass.


And you've made this thread before. Multiple times.


no it isnt

there is no argument

nobody thinks hakeem was better... the only thing anyone can ever say is "bigs are more valuable cause theyre rare. if i was drafting an all time fantasy team i'd take hakeem over kobe cause blah blah blah centers centers centers"



can hakeem bring the ball up the floor? ... no... he cant do the things a guard does like handle outside


but kobe CAN post up. back people down. play on the low block ..


so who was more limitedCould Kobe completely and utterly disrupt another team's entire offensive scheme? COuld Kobe be arguably the best or, at worst, a top 3 defensive anchor all time while giving you 25 and 10 in the playoffs? No, he can't do the things a center can do. He can't impact the game at the same level on the defensive end half as much as one of the 3 best defensive players ever.

[Dragonyeuw]

no it isnt

there is no argument

nobody thinks hakeem was better... the only thing anyone can ever say is "bigs are more valuable cause theyre rare. if i was drafting an all time fantasy team i'd take hakeem over kobe cause blah blah blah centers centers centers"



can hakeem bring the ball up the floor? ... no... he cant do the things a guard does like handle outside


but kobe CAN post up. back people down. play on the low block ..


so who was more limited

So basically, any great perimeter player should be taken over any great bigman? Because what you're saying applies to Wilt, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, etc as far as what a bigman can and can't do.

[ShawkFactory]

So basically, any great perimeter player should be taken over any great bigman? Because what you're saying applies to Wilt, Shaq, Duncan, Russell, etc as far as what a bigman can and can't do.
Thank you. Dumbest shit I've ever seen him post :lol

Anyway...Hakeem has not one but TWO of the most dominant playoff runs of all time. Against the Spurs in 95 (when he completely and utterly dismantled the league MVP) people were saying how he could be the best center of all time.

And this mother****er seriously is using points as a big part of the argument...again? :roll:

The ONLY reason Hakeem isn't right there with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, and Shaq is because of Jordan.

[Dragonyeuw]

Thank you. Dumbest shit I've ever seen him post :lol



Yeahhhh, not a lot of thought put into that one, though hardly surprising given the source.

[SouBeachTalents]

you could say the same thing about Kobe vs Lebron...both 2 titles, but Kobe only needed half as many Finals appearances to win the same amount, and he still beat more 50 win teams, more scoring titles

LeBron technically only needed 4 Finals appearances to win 2, while Kobe needed 3

[HOoopCityJones]

LeBron technically only needed 4 Finals appearances to win 2, while Kobe needed 3

Lebron also needed to Team up with half the All-star Talent in the Eastern Conference. All he was missing was Dwight. :applause:

[90sgoat]

What do people think about Hakeem during his peak?

Imo, he is close to GOAT center during his peak. Just unstoppable and with no flaws in his game. A better defender and passer than Kareem ever was.

[Rocketswin2013]

Thank you. Dumbest shit I've ever seen him post :lol

Anyway...Hakeem has not one but TWO of the most dominant playoff runs of all time. Against the Spurs in 95 (when he completely and utterly dismantled the league MVP) people were saying how he could be the best center of all time.

And this mother****er seriously is using points as a big part of the argument...again? :roll:

The ONLY reason Hakeem isn't right there with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, and Shaq is because of Jordan.
How?

[ShawkFactory]

How?
Because Jordan stole the show in the 90s. Without him Hakeem could very likely have another MVP or two.

Plus if he was more vocal. After Jordan I think most would think of Barkley or Malone before Olajuwon for some reason. Even though Hakeem at his peak was clearly a better player than both.

[HurricaneKid]

The ONLY reason Hakeem isn't right there with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, and Shaq is because of Jordan.

Thats absurd. He never lost to MJ once in the playoffs. MJ never got in his way. If anything, his legacy got a boost as he was the only one outside of MJ to win a title over that period.

Most players reach their prime from 25-29. Dream didn't win a single playoff series during that period. Didn't even win 2 playoff games in any of those seasons.

And people want to pretend Drexler didn't have anything to do with the second title even though he led the team in postseason WSs.

[kennethgriffin]

Literally all of these apply to Kobe. Big shot Rob, and clutch as fark Fisher making huge bail out shots...
Kobe colluding to the Lakers, not wanting to play for the Hornets. Essentially ring chasing from the start. Shaq as his 1st option.

Even Ron Artest was making the big shots in 2010. :oldlol:


Youre a f*cking idiot


Not a single 2000 championship teammate other than derek fisher was on that 96 squad when kobe was traded to LA

EVen shaq went there a week after kobe

Not a single shot by a teammate saved the season in an elimination game... just simple game winners mostly off kobe assists dont count. And if they did kobe was the one who set them up most of the time

Kobe was the lakers fga's and overall shots leader in the regular season and playoffs for the lakers in 2001 and 2002.. he was 1st option. Shaq was just more efficient



You lose :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Thats absurd. He never lost to MJ once in the playoffs. MJ never got in his way. If anything, his legacy got a boost as he was the only one outside of MJ to win a title over that period.

Most players reach their prime from 25-29. Dream didn't win a single playoff series during that period. Didn't even win 2 playoff games in any of those seasons.

And people want to pretend Drexler didn't have anything to do with the second title even though he led the team in postseason WSs.
Yea was probably a bit of a stretch in retrospect.

But either way, in 94 and 95 he was as dominant as any two way player has been.

[Young X]

The ONLY reason Hakeem isn't right there with Kareem, Wilt, Russell, and Shaq is because of Jordan.Nah if anything it's because of the Sonics.

Besides ROY, when did Jordan ever really stand in Hakeem's way?

Hakeem's teams struggled against the Sonics. He had a 10 season stretch where his teams went 20-37 against them including losing 4 playoff series.

Everybody always talks about Jordan's 1st retirement but I really wonder what would've happened if the Sonics never lost in the 1st round in '94 and '95 to far inferior teams. They were statistically the best team in the regular season both of those years and they beat Houston in '93 and '96.

[KnittingRyu]

Kobe was the lakers fga's and overall shots leader in the regular season and playoffs for the lakers in 2001 and 2002.. he was 1st option. Shaq was just more efficient





You realize that is not a good thing for Kobe, right? Shooting more and still being less productive is a bad thing.

[KG215]

Youre a f*cking idiot


Not a single 2000 championship teammate other than derek fisher was on that 96 squad when kobe was traded to LA

EVen shaq went there a week after kobe

Not a single shot by a teammate saved the season in an elimination game... just simple game winners mostly off kobe assists dont count. And if they did kobe was the one who set them up most of the time

Kobe was the lakers fga's and overall shots leader in the regular season and playoffs for the lakers in 2001 and 2002.. he was 1st option. Shaq was just more efficient



You lose :lol
In other words, a playoff game winner by a teammate is only a "bailout" shot if you get to pick and choose the criteria that defines a "bailout" shot?

Sounds reasonable.

[Hey Yo]

no it isnt

there is no argument

nobody thinks hakeem was better... the only thing anyone can ever say is "bigs are more valuable cause theyre rare. if i was drafting an all time fantasy team i'd take hakeem over kobe cause blah blah blah centers centers centers"



can hakeem bring the ball up the floor? ... no... he cant do the things a guard does like handle outside


but kobe CAN post up. back people down. play on the low block ..


so who was more limited
Not against much stronger premier 7 footers like Hakeem had to do.

[SugarHill]

I hope nothing but AIDS for kenneth

[KG215]

Kobe was the lakers fga's and overall shots leader in the regular season and playoffs for the lakers in 2001 and 2002.. he was 1st option. Shaq was just more efficient



You lose :lol
:roll:

You're dumbassery knows no bounds.

2001 RS: Shaq - 28.7 PPG/19.2 FGA/game; Kobe - 28.5 PPG; 22.2 FGA/game
2001 PS: Shaq - 30.4 PPG/21.5 FGA/game; Kobe - 29.4 PPG; 22.4 FGA/game

2002 RS: Shaq - 27.2 PPG/18.3 FGA/game; Kobe - 25.2 PPG; 20.0 FGA/game
2002 PS: Shaq - 28.5 PPG/20.2 FGA/game; Kobe - 26.6 PPG; 22.7 FGA/game

Just because Kobe needed more shots to score less points than Shaq doesn't mean he was the team's first option. If you can't see how this is more of an indictment on Kobe's game than anything else, then you're even dumber than I thought.

[kennethgriffin]

:roll:

You're dumbassery knows no bounds.

2001 RS: Shaq - 28.7 PPG/19.2 FGA/game; Kobe - 28.5 PPG; 22.2 FGA/game
2001 PS: Shaq - 30.4 PPG/21.5 FGA/game; Kobe - 29.4 PPG; 22.4 FGA/game

2002 RS: Shaq - 27.2 PPG/18.3 FGA/game; Kobe - 25.2 PPG; 20.0 FGA/game
2002 PS: Shaq - 28.5 PPG/20.2 FGA/game; Kobe - 26.6 PPG; 22.7 FGA/game

Just because Kobe needed more shots to score less points than Shaq doesn't mean he was the team's first option. If you can't see how this is more of an indictment on Kobe's game than anything else, then you're even dumber than I thought.


So youre arguing my facts by posting them to back up my claim? ... i dont get it...


Thanks?

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

In other words, a playoff game winner by a teammate is only a "bailout" shot if you get to pick and choose the criteria that defines a "bailout" shot?

Sounds reasonable.


Look up the word bailout




The criteria is saving the season/playoffs/finals


No shot ever saved kobe or the lakers. Theyve never even been faced with a do or die shot since kobe joined the team

[SouBeachTalents]

Look up the word bailout




The criteria is saving the season/playoffs/finals


No shot ever saved kobe or the lakers. Theyve never even been faced with a do or die shot since kobe joined the team

It wasn't quite on the level of Ray's shot, but Horry's 3 in '02 is legit one of the 3-5 biggest shots of the 2000's

[Gifted Mind]

OPs arguments and posts are full of idiocy.

[ShawkFactory]

It wasn't quite on the level of Ray's shot, but Horry's 3 in '02 is legit one of the 3-5 biggest shots of the 2000's
The Lakers don't 3peat without that shot. Just because it wasn't do or die in an elimination game doesn't mean it didn't save the season. It ABSOLUTELY did.

[kennethgriffin]

It wasn't quite on the level of Ray's shot, but Horry's 3 in '02 is legit one of the 3-5 biggest shots of the 2000's


probably. but how many made shots in the 2000's were to save the season, playoffs or finals in a do or die situation ?




vince missed one vs the sixers

stockton missed one vs the bulls in the 90s

i think dr j missed one in the 70s

i dont think anyone made one




thats how rare it is. and why rays shot is on another stratosphere



they happen maybe once every 20-30 years

[kennethgriffin]

The Lakers don't 3peat without that shot. Just because it wasn't do or die in an elimination game doesn't mean it didn't save the season. It ABSOLUTELY did.


how do you know?


then we can argue hundreds of shots as bail outs and season savers since its all speculation

[ShawkFactory]

how do you know?


then we can argue hundreds of shots as bail outs and season savers since its all speculation
Or you could not use that as an argument. Pretty simple.

[kennethgriffin]

Or you could not use that as an argument. Pretty simple.



facts vs speculation


facts always win


ray allen = biggest shot ever. bail out 100%. if he missed game over. sanantonio is the 2013 nba champions


robert horry = big shot. top 5 shot of the 2000's. if he missed. game over. lakers have to win 3 straight.


game 5 they lost by 1

LA won games 6 and 7



so youre telling me all thats standing in the lakers way from sweeping the last 3 games to take the series is 1 point? with an elimination game on the line in kobe and shaqs best days?


i got money on LA... kings woulda been laid back as f*ck



they make up that 1 point i'm pretty sure


so no... robert horrys shot wasnt the end all be all

[ShawkFactory]

facts vs speculation


facts always win


ray allen = biggest shot ever. bail out 100%. if he missed game over. sanantonio is the 2013 nba champions


robert horry = big shot. top 5 shot of the 2000's. if he missed. game over. lakers have to win 3 straight.


game 5 they lost by 1

LA won games 6 and 7



so youre telling me all thats standing in the lakers way from sweeping the last 3 games to take the series is 1 point? with an elimination game on the line in kobe and shaqs best days?


i got money on LA... kings woulda been laid back as f*ck



they make up that 1 point i'm pretty sure


so no... robert horrys shot wasnt the end all be all
Yea, they aren't coming back down 3-1 there brother. That's game over if Horry misses that shot

[kennethgriffin]

Yea, they aren't coming back down 3-1 there brother. That's game over if Horry misses that shot


who the f*ck are you? god?


:oldlol:


think whatever you want. i'l think whatever i want




and your agenda a day or 2 from now will say that series was rigged for LA

so if its rigged. do the lakers still lose by 1 in game 5?



:oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

who the f*ck are you? god?


:oldlol:


think whatever you want. i'l think whatever i want




and your agenda a day or 2 from now will say that series was rigged for LA

so if its rigged. do the lakers still lose by 1 in game 5?



:oldlol:
3-1. Shaq and Kobe getting down 3-1? It hadn't happened in years. Very rarely do teams come back 3-1. And that kings team isn't losing three straight.

Game. Over

[houston]

kobe>>>>dream

[kennethgriffin]

3-1. Shaq and Kobe getting down 3-1? It hadn't happened in years. Very rarely do teams come back 3-1. And that kings team isn't losing three straight.

Game. Over

so its not rigged?

:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

"horry saved the series"

and at the same time

"the series was rigged"


quotes by the same kobe hating d*ck sucking f*ggots on ISH every day


gotta love these hypocritical s*men swallowers

:oldlol:

[catch24]

So basically Kobe's teammates that bailed him out (dfish, big shot bob, artest, gasol etc) are irrelevant because, well, because Kenneth only thinks guys like LeBron and Jordan (non lakers) can get bailed out.

Why do people take this clown seriously? :oldlol: You play his game, and you already lost.

[ShawkFactory]

"horry saved the series"

and at the same time

"the series was rigged"


quotes by the same kobe hating d*ck sucking f*ggots on ISH every day


gotta love these hypocritical s*men swallowers

:oldlol:
Who the fvck you talking to right now :lol

You take one persons thoughts in an "argument" and then apply a bunch of other random peoples comments in the past to that...

I'm not sure I follow you big guy...but you seem kinda upset right now. I think there are pills for that.

[kennethgriffin]

So basically Kobe's teammates that bailed him out (dfish, big shot bob, artest, gasol etc) are irrelevant because, well, because Kenneth only thinks guys like LeBron and Jordan (non lakers) can get bailed out.

Why do people take this clown seriously? :oldlol: You play his game, and you already lost.

who said jordan got bailed out?


paxson and kerrs winners werent in a do or die game...


:biggums:


and nobody said horry and fisher werent important... nobody wins by themselves... i'm saying they never hit a bail out shot



i'm really starting to think people on this forum don't know what the word bail out means




are all game winners bail outs now? :biggums:

[catch24]

i'm really starting to think people on this forum don't know what the word bail out means

Horry's buzzer-beater in 2002 vs the Kings (the real finals)....is the definition of a bailout.

Fisher's 0.4 buzzer-beater to beat the Spurs and steal home court....is a bailout shot.

Evidently its you who has no idea what the definition is. Either that, or you have zero clue about Laker history pre 2006

[kennethgriffin]

Horry's buzzer-beater in 2002 vs the Kings (the real finals)....is the definition of a bailout.

Fisher's 0.4 buzzer-beater to beat the Spurs and steal home court....is a bailout shot.

Evidently its you who has no idea what the definition is. Either that, or you have zero clue about Laker history pre 2006


i think youre confusing "bail out of a game" with "bail out of a series" ( during a championship season )


not only do you not understand the criteria... youre listing shots in seasons the lakers didnt even win a title ( 2004 )


get the net


http://i.ytimg.com/vi/JGyJOX5wFFg/hqdefault.jpg


:lol

[catch24]

i think youre confusing "bail out of a game" with "bail out of a series" ( during a championship season )


not only do you not understand the criteria... youre listing shots in seasons the lakers didnt even win a title ( 2004 )


get the net


:lol

Both those shots arguably bailed out their respective series, and the Horry buzzer-beater was during a "championship season".

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Both those shots arguably bailed out their respective series, and the Horry buzzer-beater was during a "championship season".

You literally have no idea what you're talking about. :oldlol:


:applause:


youre getting better... thats closer to the truth..

atleast youre learning the difference between speculation and facts



fact* = ray allen saved lebrons career


speculation* = its arguable that horry might have saved a pivotal point in a series. had the lakers still lost by 1 the next game ( but we'l never know )

which is why you can only argue... while ray allens shot is clear cut the most defining moment in nba history

:applause:

[catch24]

^Why is Ray Allen's shot which sent it to overtime and more importantly another game, considered a "fact", yet Horry and Fisher's shots basically did the same thing, and its just considered "speculation" to you?

The Lakers would be down 3-1 in that 2002 series, and the likelihood of them losing is a strong one. In hindsight stronger than a Spurs L in Game 7 at Miami.

[Stu Jackson]

dont be a sissy

[kennethgriffin]

^Why is Ray Allen's shot which sent it to overtime and more importantly another game, considered a "fact", yet Horry and Fisher's shots basically did the same thing, and its just considered "speculation" to you?

The Lakers would be down 3-1 in that 2002 series, and the likelihood of them losing is a strong one. In hindsight stronger than a Spurs L in Game 7 at Miami.



if ray allens shot misses. spurs are the champs... PERIOD.. no speculation. no guessing. no ands or ifs or buts or farts in the wind.


if horrys shot misses. lakers go back to work the next day. what if this. what about that. hypothetical this. and? if? but? farts everywhere


just give up man.


fact vs fiction... this is what we're arguing. and youre losing horribly

[Stu Jackson]

if ray allens shot misses. spurs are the champs... PERIOD.. no speculation. no guessing. no ands or ifs or buts or farts in the wind.


if horrys shot misses. lakers go back to work the next day. what if this. what about that. hypothetical this. and? if? but? farts everywhere


just give up man.


fact vs fiction... this is what we're arguing. and youre losing horribly
nobody cares about careers or resumes better is better

kobe bryant lebron james tim duncan none are top 10 players all time and none would ever be top 2 in any season from merger until shaq got fat

dont be a sissy

[kennethgriffin]

even if somethings likely. that doesnt make it fact


it was likely the heat would win the 2011 nba title

it was likely the lakers would win the 2004 nba title



nothings for sure... except ray allens bail out career saving shot. and everything else that is real on earth.

[kennethgriffin]

nobody cares about careers or resumes better is better

kobe bryant lebron james tim duncan none are top 10 players all time and none would ever be top 2 in any season from merger until shaq got fat

dont be a sissy


dude. who are you talking to

:oldlol:


me? cause i'm talking to someone else

[Stu Jackson]

dude. who are you talking to

:oldlol:


me? cause i'm talking to someone else
dont be a sissy

[catch24]

if ray allens shot misses. spurs are the champs... PERIOD.. no speculation. no guessing. no ands or ifs or buts or farts in the wind.

It wasn't a game-winner, and the Spurs still got to play in overtime.

It's a bailout shot, but no bigger than Robert Horry's three, which if he missed, would have sent the Lakers into a 3-1 hole...and in retrospect, a worse shot at coming back/winning the series than the Spurs in game 6's overtime and a subsequent game 7.

How do you deny this? I can actually admit Robert Horry's buzzer-beater was probably one of the greatest playoff (bailout) shots ever, because I'm an actual Lakers fan. :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

It wasn't a game-winner, and the Spurs still got to play in overtime.

It's a bailout shot, but no bigger than Robert Horry's three, which if he missed, would have sent the Lakers into a 3-1 hole...and in retrospect, a worse shot at coming back/winning the series than the Spurs in game 6's overtime and a subsequent game 7.

How do you deny this? I can actually admit Robert Horry's buzzer-beater was probably one of the greatest playoff (bailout) shots ever, because I'm an actual Lakers fan. :oldlol:


i dont think youre fully grasping the situation


think of it like this... lebron was falling into the lake of lava trying to kill bowser ... then right before death a ray allen green mushroom gave him 1 up... then lebron died, restarted the level, and beat the castle


:lol

kobe on the other hand got a red mushroom power up from horry. beat the castle without dying


get it?

[catch24]

i dont think youre fully grasping the situation


think of it like this... lebron was falling into the lake of lava trying to kill bowser ... then right before death a ray allen green mushroom gave him 1 up... then lebron died, restarted the level, and beat the castle


:lol

kobe on the other hand got a red mushroom power up from horry. beat the castle without dying


get it?

The Spurs win if Ray misses that shot, we get that. I'm saying to you, the Lakers also lose to the Kings if Horry misses that shot. Them winning 3 straight games in that series = snowballs chance in hell (hence ray's shot being no greater than the one from horry).

[kennethgriffin]

The Spurs win if Ray misses that shot, we get that. I'm saying to you that the Lakers also lose to the Kings if Horry misses that shot. The Lakers winning 3 straight games in that series = snowballs chance in hell.


no

:lol


youre not getting it


again


if horry misses theres 3 more games

if ray misses theres 0 more games



you f*cking imbecile

:roll:

[catch24]

no

:lol


youre not getting it


again


if horry misses theres 3 more games

if ray misses theres 0 more games



you f*cking imbecile

:roll:

The Lakers aren't winning 3 straight games in that series. This is what you're missing (as if brain cells weren't enough :oldlol:).

[kennethgriffin]

The Lakers aren't winning 3 straight games in that series. This is what you're missing (as if brain cells weren't enough :oldlol:).


thats where you lose


youre giving me a prediction


i'm giving you facts



you can speculate all you want.. likelyhoods, probables, odds


i'm saying it doesnt hold even 1/10th the weight a FACT holds


which is what i'm giving you. the FACT that theres NO more games for miami


while there is hope for LA

especially since games 4,5,6,7 were all won by a few points or less

literally anything can happen

if those 4 games started over. kings could win 4 in a row, lakers could win 4 in a row. they can split. literally any outcome is possible based on the way those games went.


and if you understood 4th dimensional multi universe theory. youd know that there is no fact in likelyhood. and odds change at the slightest differentiating circumstance




but youre too simplistic to understand that kind of thought process. youre a 1 track mind simpleton

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

did you know theres a parallel universe in which every close game the lakers ever played went in their favor. since every decision is based off another decision. and any 50/50 outcome has a reality for both instances

theres a universe in which kobe bryant has made every single game winning shot attempt


ofcourse the odds of existing in that universe is 1 in a hundred billion or more... but theres a version of us out there in that universe


for the 99% of ourselves we're in the ones in which kobe is hitting around what he is in this one



play a video game on an emulator with rewind. youl see what i mean. i played ken griffey baseball for snes on my psp with rewind. found a way to hit a homerun with every at bat

the inning went on forever until i got to 99 runs i think...

its how i beat all the classic games... like ninja turtles and other difficult games...

thats parallel universe theory in a nutshell




which explains the reasoning behind horrys shot NOT being an end all be all...

anythings possible

[catch24]

I have to take a crap eventually, however its merely speculation.

kenneth's argument in a nutshell.

[kennethgriffin]

I have to take a crap eventually, however its merely speculation.

kenneth's argument in a nutshell.


you could die before then.

you could get constipated

your insides might burst


until you take the crap. it hasnt happened yet


ray allens shot is a post crap instance


horrys is a what if crap waiting to take place permanently frozen in a cryogenic chamber

:applause:

[Vaniiiia]

did you know theres a parallel universe in which every close game the lakers ever played went in their favor. since every decision is based off another decision. and any 50/50 outcome has a reality for both instances

theres a universe in which kobe bryant has made every single game winning shot attempt


ofcourse the odds of existing in that universe is 1 in a hundred billion or more... but theres a version of us out there in that universe


for the 99% of ourselves we're in the ones in which kobe is hitting around what he is in this one



play a video game on an emulator with rewind. youl see what i mean. i played ken griffey baseball for snes on my psp with rewind. found a way to hit a homerun with every at bat

the inning went on forever until i got to 99 runs i think...

its how i beat all the classic games... like ninja turtles and other difficult games...

thats parallel universe theory in a nutshell




which explains the reasoning behind horrys shot NOT being an end all be all...

anythings possible
but in every single paralleled universe you're a bottomless loser with no friends.

:lol

[catch24]

you could die before then.

you could get constipated

your insides might burst


until you take the crap. it hasnt happened yet


ray allens shot is a post crap instance


horrys is a what if crap waiting to take place permanently frozen in a cryogenic chamber

:applause:

Here's another one that will keep you up at night... What if I were to tell you Ray Allen's three was actually an assist from LeBron? Like, Bron knew he was gonna brick, so he purposely missed at an angle where there could be a rebound and kickout to the GOAT three-point shooter?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/5xtDarqXOu5UrURdjgI/200.gif

[kennethgriffin]

Here's another one that will keep you up at night... What if Ray Allen's three was actually an assist from LeBron? Like, Bron knew he was gonna brick, so he purposely missed at an angle where there could be a rebound and kickout to the GOAT three-point shooter?

https://media1.giphy.com/media/5xtDarqXOu5UrURdjgI/200.gif

i don't think you understand parallel universe theory



we're in the one where lebrons action was chocked down in the box score as a brick ( missed fg )


parallel universe theory is only used for speculation on events that havent already taken place in our own universe

like our speculation on instances that didnt and cant happen anymore ( the games that would have taken place if horry missed ) vs the instances that 100% did or would have happened that we know about in the ray alen situation ( the make by ray allen and miami winning in 7 OR the miss by ray allen and spurs winning in 6 )


we know 100% fact in the ray allen case. but can speculate a million ways over the robert horry situation



:applause:

[catch24]

On the contrary, my Kobe Bryant fan. LeBron James is known to be the biggest on-ball playmaker in today's league this side of Chris Paul.

I think you're downplaying what we all witnessed - and that's LeBron UNSELFISHLY getting it to the greatest 3PT shooter in NBA history. I mean, LeBron is known for passing up the shot and/or bricking, so why isn't that the case this time around? We're dealing with facts here man. Remember that.

[kennethgriffin]

On the contrary, my Kobe Bryant fan. LeBron James is known to be the biggest on-ball playmaker in today's league this side of Chris Paul.

I think you're downplaying what we all saw - and that's LeBron unselfishly getting it to the greatest 3PT shooter in NBA history. I mean, LeBron is known for passing up the shot or bricking, so why isn't that the case this time around? We're dealing with facts here man. Remember that.


this is by far the most ludicrous speculation thus far due to it contradicting a factual recorded event that took place in our own timeline



youre the worst at debating philosophies and science

[catch24]

this is by far the most ludicrous speculation thus far due to it contradicting a factual recorded event that took place in our own timeline



youre the worst at debating philosophies and science

Was LeBron not in the play though? Did LeBron not miss the shot (which he normally does) that went to Ray Allen?

You're thinking outside the box homie. Wake up.

[kennethgriffin]

Was LeBron not in the play though? Did LeBron not miss the shot (which he normally does) that went to Ray Allen?

You're thinking outside the box homie. Wake up.


yes and maybe in a 1 percentile alternate parallel universe that brick is chocked down as an assist by accident


BUT*

we live in this universe ... we can only speculate what hasnt taken place




youre slowly getting there little fella... maybe i'l come back tomorrow and keep tutoring you


:cheers:

[catch24]

We can only deal with facts though. Just remember that an "alternative universe" is merely a theory and "speculation" on your part.

Why LeBron bricked can be debated until the end of time, but what can't be is that he missed AND it led to Ray Allen hitting an insanely clutch 3. Sequences and possessions cannot be ignored - otherwise we're simply cherry picking. :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

We can only deal with facts though. Just remember that an "alternative universe" is merely a theory and "speculation" on your part.

Why LeBron bricked can be debated, but what can't be is that he missed AND it led to Ray Allen hitting an insane clutch 3. Sequences and possessions simply cannot be ignored - otherwise we're simply cherry picking. :confusedshrug:


now youre getting it

:lol


this entire multiverse ordeal was to let you know how it feels to be argued with speculative lunacy

[catch24]

now youre getting it

:lol

Horry's buzzer beater > LeBron's hockey assist to Ray Allen just to reach overtime, because it led to a Game 7 road win during THE REAL FINALS.

That alone was more impressive than Miami's game 7 home victory. :pimp:

[Legends66NBA7]

What do people think about Hakeem during his peak?

Imo, he is close to GOAT center during his peak. Just unstoppable and with no flaws in his game. A better defender and passer than Kareem ever was.

Passer ?

I can't see the argument from a numbers standpoint, Kareem has a better assist to turnover rate and better assist rate career and peak. If we're just going by footage, thats pretty vague to say who was better. Kareem late in his career had to do a lot of passing since the Lakers were a top passing team.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe's career sans Shaq = Isiah Thomas. Hakeem>Bean.

[Heavincent]

Kobe's career sans Shaq = Isiah Thomas. Hakeem>Bean.

Kobe between 08 and 10:

- Averaged 30/6/6 on 47% shooting in the playoffs
- 3 finals appearances
- 2 titles
- 2 FMVPs
- 1 MVP
- Beat 10 50+ win teams in the playoffs (for perspective, that's more than Lebron has beaten in his entire career)

Only overly emotional morons don't consider that an all time great run.

[Fire Colangelo]

I find Hakeem extremely overrated, he had two truly great seasons in 94 and 95, but that's it.

Half of his career were first round exits, including 4 straight first round exits from 1988 to 1991, followed by missing the playoffs in 1992...

For all the shit we give Kobe for missing the playoffs in 2005 (due to injury), and first round exits in 06 and 07... we don't really see Hakeem's failures mentioned on here... at all.

Hakeem was a great player and definitely belongs in the top 10, but I feel like he's so overrated due to pretty post moves that really didn't lead to much success outside of 94 and 95.

[Smoke117]

I find Hakeem extremely overrated, he had two truly great seasons in 94 and 95, but that's it.

Half of his career were first round exits, including 4 straight first round exits from 1988 to 1991, followed by missing the playoffs in 1992...

For all the shit we give Kobe for missing the playoffs in 2005 (due to injury), and first round exits in 06 and 07... we don't really see Hakeem's failures mentioned on here... at all.

Hakeem was a great player and definitely belongs in the top 10, but I feel like he's so overrated due to pretty post moves that really didn't lead to much success outside of 94 and 95.

So Hakeem is supposed to go out there by himself and WILL his team to the playoffs. It's really hilarious how this is a basketball board, but so few people even understand what the hell is even going on. Hakeem Olajuwon is the greatest defensive player of the modern era...1980 to now. That's 35 years that nobody has come a long and touched him. He led one of the weakest championship ever in 94 because he was just that good and was that dominant. I can't even count the times I've had to read so many of you imbeciles call him overrated because you have no concept of basketball except...WOW look at those moves he pulled and he scored 30 points. (like this fcuking retard kenny) I find it absurd that over half of you are even on a board to discuss basketball in the first place...since most of you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

[Fire Colangelo]

So Hakeem is supposed to go out there by himself and WILL his team to the playoffs. It's really hilarious how this is a basketball board, but so few people even understand what the hell is even going on. Hakeem Olajuwon is the greatest defensive player of the modern era...1980 to now. That's 35 years that nobody has come a long and touched him. He led one of the weakest championship ever in 94 because he was just that good and was that dominant. I can't even count the times I've had to read so many of you imbeciles call him overrated because you have no concept of basketball except...WOW look at those moves he pulled and he scored 30 points. (like this fcuking retard kenny) I find it absurd that over half of you are even on a board to discuss basketball in the first place...since most of you have no idea what the hell you are talking about.

So is Kobe supposed to will his team past the first round by himself?

I find all this double standard ridiculous tbh. I did achknowledge his 94 and 95 season, but I'm just supposed to forget 4 first round exits in a row followed by missing the playoffs. Yeah he's one of the greatest defensive players of his era, so what? Kobe's one of the greatest offensive players of his era.

[Ca$H]

Kobe is an A-/B+ version of Jordan.

[Fallen Angel]

100+ posts of opinionated statements used for arguments. That's what's wrong with this site.

[Vaniiiia]

100+ posts of opinionated statements used for arguments. That's what's wrong with this site.
And you're apart of the problem, dipshit.

Got any James Harden propaganda you wanna spread? Or how about Houston Rockets..... THE GREATEST TEAM EVER...

right, fatso?

Here's the thing, you're a loser. And desperately need a life. You spend every waking moment on this website, and so you sit here criticizing shit no one ever thinks or cares about.

GET A LIFE.

[branslowski]

Kobe between 08 and 10:

- Averaged 30/6/6 on 47% shooting in the playoffs
- 3 finals appearances
- 2 titles
- 2 FMVPs
- 1 MVP
- Beat 10 50+ win teams in the playoffs (for perspective, that's more than Lebron has beaten in his entire career)

Only overly emotional morons don't consider that an all time great run.

He's one of them.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe between 08 and 10:

- Averaged 30/6/6 on 47% shooting in the playoffs
- 3 finals appearances
- 2 titles
- 2 FMVPs
- 1 MVP
- Beat 10 50+ win teams in the playoffs (for perspective, that's more than Lebron has beaten in his entire career)

Only overly emotional morons don't consider that an all time great run.

You saying Isiah Thomas isn't an all time great? :biggums:

Isiah between '88 and '90:

-Averaged 20/5/8/2 on 44% FG in the playoffs
-3 straight Finals appearances
-2 Titles
-Finals MVP
-Beat teams led by the GOAT (3 straight series), Larry Bird (twice), Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Pat Ewing

Bean = Isiah, Hakeem>Bean

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe between 08 and 10:

- Averaged 30/6/6 on 47% shooting in the playoffs
- 3 finals appearances
- 2 titles
- 2 FMVPs
- 1 MVP
- Beat 10 50+ win teams in the playoffs (for perspective, that's more than Lebron has beaten in his entire career)

Only overly emotional morons don't consider that an all time great run.



kobe has a top 10 all time resume without shaq

how is he barely top 10 with everything combined


:oldlol:


hes right there with magic at top 5 our 6 ( at worst )

[Stu Jackson]

kobe has a top 10 all time resume without shaq

how is he barely top 10 with everything combined


:oldlol:


hes right there with magic at top 5 our 6
no player since shaq is top 10

you are a sissy

[catch24]

You saying Isiah Thomas isn't an all time great? :biggums:

Isiah between '88 and '90:

-Averaged 20/5/8/2 on 44% FG in the playoffs

Kobe between 2008-2010:

-Averaged ~30/6/6/2/1 on 46% FG in the playoffs

Isiah isn't in Kobe's league, and Hevincent didn't deny Isiah was an all-time great.

Again, where do you rate Kobe all-time?

[DonDadda59]

Kobe between 2008-2010:

-Averaged ~30/6/6/2/1 on 46% FG in the playoffs

Isiah isn't in Kobe's league, and Hevincent didn't deny Isiah was an all-time great.

Again, where do you rate Kobe all-time?

Same place I rank John Havlicek.

[SouBeachTalents]

You saying Isiah Thomas isn't an all time great? :biggums:

Isiah between '88 and '90:

-Averaged 20/5/8/2 on 44% FG in the playoffs
-3 straight Finals appearances
-2 Titles
-Finals MVP
-Beat teams led by the GOAT (3 straight series), Larry Bird (twice), Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Pat Ewing

Bean = Isiah, Hakeem>Bean

Lol, literally everything about Kobe's 3 year run besides competition was clearly better

[Stu Jackson]

Same place I rank John Havlicek.
you are smart

kobe is a sissy

[catch24]

Same place I rank John Havlicek.

Which is where? :confusedshrug:

[DonDadda59]

Which is where? :confusedshrug:

Bout 10-12ish.


Lol, literally everything about Kobe's 3 year run besides competition was clearly better

:biggums:

Competition is everything. It's the reason Bron makes finals in his sleep playing on stacked rosters in the shittiest conference ever. Competing for titles/accolades with Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc is not the same as Steve Nash winning back to back MVPs or playing Dwight Howard and loose change in the finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Bout 10-12ish.



:biggums:

Competition is everything. It's the reason Bron makes finals in his sleep playing on stacked rosters in the shittiest conference ever. Competing for titles/accolades with Jordan, Magic, Bird, etc is not the same as Steve Nash winning back to back MVPs or playing Dwight Howard and loose change in the finals.

While that's true, Isiah had the better team with much better depth

[catch24]

Bout 10-12ish.

There's no way Hondo gets that kinda love on your all-time list. :lol

You surprised me with this one though.

Turns out, your "hatred" for Kobe is really just a bunch of hot air :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Havlicek 10-12 :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[DonDadda59]

There's no way Hondo gets that kinda love on your all-time list. :lol

You don't even know me at all (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2877638#post2877638) :facepalm

8 rangz>5 rangz


You surprised me with this one though.

Turns out, your "hatred" for Kobe is really just a bunch of hot air :cheers:

:durantunimpressed:

[catch24]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2877638#post2877638

That's actually a pretty good read. I remember skimming through it years ago...when I debated you on Kobe and LeBron's place in history.

Top 10 though? Kinda laying it on thick, don't ya think?

[DonDadda59]

Havlicek 10-12 :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Easily. Would have 3 maybe 4 Finals MVPs if the award existed before '69. His career played out a lot like Bean's- started out as an apprentice to the best center in the game as he led his team to rings, then became the man on his squad, winning more rings. One of the best wing defenders ever, routinely played 42-45 MPG because of his freakish stamina. Put up 25/8/7 in his prime with a peak of 29/9/8.

Frankly, you'd have to work really hard to explain why you wouldn't rank him at least 10-15.

So... go.

[Heavincent]

You saying Isiah Thomas isn't an all time great? :biggums:

Isiah between '88 and '90:

-Averaged 20/5/8/2 on 44% FG in the playoffs
-3 straight Finals appearances
-2 Titles
-Finals MVP
-Beat teams led by the GOAT (3 straight series), Larry Bird (twice), Magic Johnson, Clyde Drexler, Pat Ewing

Bean = Isiah, Hakeem>Bean

Clearly not as good as Kobe. Look at that massive statistical gap.

[KnittingRyu]

Havlicek 10-12 :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:
:lol

[Euroleague]

Kobe Bryant 2005 - 2015

Hakeem Olajuwon 1985 - 2002


Overall:

NBA Championships - Kobe (2) = Hakeem (2)

NBA Finals - Kobe (3) = Hakeem (3)

NBA Finals MVP's - Kobe (2) = Hakeem (2)

NBA MVP's - Kobe (1) = Hakeem (1)

All-Star MVP's - Kobe (3) > Hakeem (0)

Scoring titles - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (0)

1st Team All NBA's - Kobe (8) > Hakeem (6)

1st Team All Defense's - Kobe (7) > Hakeem (5)

Starting All-Star - Kobe (11) > Hakeem (9)

Career High - Kobe (81) > Hakeem (52)

Olympic Gold Medals - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (1)






Kobe Bryant 50+ win teams beatin

2007-08 Denver Nuggets
2007-08 Utah Jazz
2007-08 San Antonio Spurs
2008-09 Houston Rockets
2008-09 Denver Nuggets
2008-09 Orlando Magic
2009-10 Oklahoma City Thunder
2009-10 Utah Jazz
2009-10 Phoenix Suns
2009-10 Boston Celtics



total - 10 (tie)



Hakeem Olajuwon 50+ win teams beatin:

1985-86 Los Angeles Lakers
1993-94 Phoenix Suns
1993-94 Utah Jazz
1993-94 New York Knicks
1994-95 Utah Jazz
1994-95 Phoenix Suns
1994-95 San Antonio Spurs
1994-95 Orlando Magic
1995-96 Los Angeles Lakers
1996-97 Seattle SuperSonics


total - 10 (tie)






Kobe Bryant 30 point games:
2005(30), 2006 (56), 2007 (38), 2008 (36), 2009 (27), 2010 (29), 2011 (23), 2012 (24), 2013 (35), 2015 (6)

total = 304

Hakeem Olajuwon 30 point games:
1985 (9), 1986 (12), 1987 (15), 1988 (10), 1989 (22), 1990 (16), 1991 (5), 1992 (8), 1993 (27), 1994 (26), 1995 (27), 1996 (28), 1997 (16), 1998 (1), 1999 (3), 2000 (1)

total = 226

--------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 40 point games:
40 point games - 2005 (10), 2006 (27), 2007 (18), 2008 (7), 2009 (4) 2010 (8), 2011 (3), 2012 (5), 2013 (8), 2015 (1)

total = 91

Hakeem Olajuwon 40 point games:
1985 (1), 1986 (1), 1987 (1), 1989 (2), 1990 (3), 1992 (1), 1993 (4), 1994 (4), 1995 (7), 1996 (5), 1997 (3)

total = 32

----------------------------------


Kobe Bryant 50+ point games:
2006 (6), 2007 (10), 2008 (2), 2009 (1)

total = 19

Hakeem Olajuwon 50+ point games:
50 = 1990 (1), 1996 (1)

total = 2

----------------------------------


Kobe Bryant 60+ point games:
2006 (2), 2007 (2), 2009 (1)

total = 6

Hakeem Olajuwon 60+ point games:

total = 0

----------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 70+ point games:
2006 (1)

total = 1

Hakeem Olajuwon 70+ point games:

total = 0

---------------------------------

Kobe Bryant 80+ point games:
2006 (1)

total = 1

Hakeem Olajuwon 80+ point games:

total = 0





miscellaneous:

NBA Championships without a top 50 all time sidekick - Kobe (2) > Hakeem (1)













http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--8RdI358c--/1402728710084800397.gif

I'm a huge fan of Kobe, but you need to put down the crack pipe.

[Euroleague]

if youre not playing in the nba. you cant really say anything

hakeem beat what was available...



theres great players who didnt compete in the nba all around the globe


arvydas sabonis in his prime might have made a huge difference aswell


oscar schmidt ? etc...

He was a great scorer, but I doubt he would have had any effect on championships being won. He played for many years in Europe and I don't remember him winning a thing.


Not even winning the 3rd tier European league.

[Euroleague]

media garbage

and its mainly a big man award that heavily favors blocks, rebounds... so kobe cant win it anyway unless the medias has a boner for kobe like they did with jordan

all that matters is leading a team to a championship with a poor supporting cast compared to past title teams


and i'l tell you something thats real as f*ck right here right now




jordan farmar ****ing sucks

sasha vujacic ****ing sucks

luke walton ****ing sucks

vladimir radmanovic ****ing sucks

josh powell ****ing sucks

dj mbenga ****ing sucks

shannon brown ****ing sucks

adam morrison ****ing sucks

derek fisher is the worst starting point guard in nba championship history

lamar odom was not, has never, will never and i mean EVER be an nba allstar



and pau f*cking gasol is the 85th best player all time according to basketball reference. a man whos 0-16 all time as leader in the playoffs.


big freaking deal man.. jesus christ


but lets not forget... andrew god damn f*cking bynum and his 6.3 points per game in the playoffs... and 6.0 points per game in the finals

:facepalm

Fisher was way better than Mario Chalmers. And you are underrating Pau, he was much better than that. Odom was a good player before he started smoking crack. But yeah, those other players sucked.

Farmar and Mbenga are the only two I would even consider half way decent.

[ArbitraryWater]

Easily. Would have 3 maybe 4 Finals MVPs if the award existed before '69. His career played out a lot like Bean's- started out as an apprentice to the best center in the game as he led his team to rings, then became the man on his squad, winning more rings. One of the best wing defenders ever, routinely played 42-45 MPG because of his freakish stamina. Put up 25/8/7 in his prime with a peak of 29/9/8.

Frankly, you'd have to work really hard to explain why you wouldn't rank him at least 10-15.

So... go.

:lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6492351&postcount=30
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6493335&postcount=47
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6496144&postcount=84

Refute that.. Havlicek is top 25-30 for me. For most, I believe. Players just dont fly under the radar as much as you would have people believe. No top 25-30 acclaimed player is realistically top 10-12 because people missed something..

[DonDadda59]

:lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6492351&postcount=30
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6493335&postcount=47
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6496144&postcount=84

Refute that.. Havlicek is top 25-30 for me. For most, I believe. Players just dont fly under the radar as much as you would have people believe. No top 25-30 acclaimed player is realistically top 10-12 because people missed something..

You are the ultimate d*ck-riding *******. I asked you to make a case, you link some irrelevant posts from a dude I used to bully here.

How is a guy with this sort of resume only 25-30 on any all time list-

8 championships (Was the best player on the team for several runs)
1 Official Finals MVP (same as Dirk)
13 all star selections (same as Dirk)
4 All NBA 1st team selections (same as Dirk)
7 All NBA 2nd team selections (more than Dirk)
5 All NBA defensive 1st team selections (Dirk? :lol)
3 All NBA defensive 2nd team selections (Dirk? :lol)
13th on the all time points scored list
10th on the all time FG made list
12th all time in defensive win shares

21/6/5 career (22/7/5 playoffs) with a peak of 29/9/8 (27/8/6 playoffs).

Go ahead and name the 25 players Historically who have had better careers. This should be fun. Let's see whose posts you steal this time.

[HighFlyer23]

Hakeem never got beaten by 40 points in a series clinching game of the finals (2008)

Hakeem never shot 6/24 in a series clinching game of the finals (2010)


Hakeem also has 2 DPOY awards, is the all time leader in blocked shots, 3 times blocks per game leader, 2 time rebounds per game leader, the only center who is top 10 all time in steals, has 2 recorded quadruple doubles, and carried a team without any other all stars to a championship (1994). He was also never the #2 option on any team.

Also, there was never any question to Hakeems FMVPs ... but there were talks in 2010 that Pau Gasol deserved FMVP over Kobe.

[DonDadda59]

Hakeem never got beaten by 40 points in a series clinching game of the finals (2008)

Hakeem never shot 6/24 in a series clinching game of the finals (2010)


Hakeem also has 2 DPOY awards, is the all time leader in blocked shots, 3 times blocks per game leader, 2 time rebounds per game leader, the only center who is top 10 all time in steals, has 2 recorded quadruple doubles, and carried a team without any other all stars to a championship (1994). He was also never the #2 option on any team.

Also, there was never any question to Hakeems FMVPs ... but there were talks in 2010 that Pau Gasol deserved FMVP over Kobe.

That's where the difference is. The Dream is one of the absolute best defensive players the league has ever seen. It's ridiculous that he's 1st all time in blocks and also 7th all time in steals... as a center.

Bean on the other hand is easily the most overrated defensive player ever. He got a career's worth of all defensive nods based on the work he did as Shaq's assistant pimp even though his defense was sorely lacking once he became the first offensive option.

[Heavincent]

but there were talks in 2010 that Pau Gasol deserved FMVP over Kobe.

Among a few trolls on ISH. That's not even a thing anywhere else. Never heard anybody in real life bring that up.

It was a very clear cut FMVP.

[rmt]

Kenneth, as usual, you downplay Fisher and Pau to prop Kobe. I can't stand to see Fisher - even in his OKC stint, he's killing the Spurs. Pau put up fantastic production in the Lakers 2 championship runs.

[ImKobe]

Kenneth, as usual, you downplay Fisher and Pau to prop Kobe. I can't stand to see Fisher - even in his OKC stint, he's killing the Spurs. Pau put up fantastic production in the Lakers 2 championship runs.

Fisher was a spot up shooter (not even an elite one at that) who was lucky to play under the tutelage of Phil and Kobe...dude struggled to make layups for crying out loud, and he was the starting PG for 3 straight Finals runs

Pau had fantastic production, but Kobe had a ton to do with his efficiency. Compare his numbers in Memphis as the #1 guy to his numbers in LA, Kobe and Pau P&R was unstoppable during those runs, Kobe and the triangle made the game so much easier for him while Kobe's efficiency without Pau was pretty much identical(If you look at Kobe's production in 08 before the Pau trade and after, the averages are the same, and Lakers were a 50+ win team with Bynum alone before he got injured).

I wouldn't try to downplay those guys, but you sort of have to because of all the fake hype from the Kobe haters, who try to diminish his Playoff runs. It's the same thing with Lebron. Ray Allen hit the biggest shot in Finals history, but let's not act like he was the main contributor that put the team in a position to even have a chance for a Game 7 in the first place. It is what it is.

[ArbitraryWater]

You are the ultimate d*ck-riding *******. I asked you to make a case, you link some irrelevant posts from a dude I used to bully here.

How is a guy with this sort of resume only 25-30 on any all time list-

8 championships (Was the best player on the team for several runs)
1 Official Finals MVP (same as Dirk)
13 all star selections (same as Dirk)
4 All NBA 1st team selections (same as Dirk)
7 All NBA 2nd team selections (more than Dirk)
5 All NBA defensive 1st team selections (Dirk? :lol)
3 All NBA defensive 2nd team selections (Dirk? :lol)
13th on the all time points scored list
10th on the all time FG made list
12th all time in defensive win shares

21/6/5 career (22/7/5 playoffs) with a peak of 29/9/8 (27/8/6 playoffs).

Go ahead and name the 25 players Historically who have had better careers. This should be fun. Let's see whose posts you steal this time.

why would I say something when fatal is smarter and can express himself far better? lol at 'steal' Don Dramatico, listing his Wiki achievements :lol

Still waiting on the refuting part, though.

21/6/5 doesn't quite look like a top 15 career, does it now? :lol

as for 20 better players, I have Havlicek 24th... just before Wade, might switch em though ;)

The usual top 11, plus Dirk/Kobe/West/Oscar/Barkley/Malone/KG/Pettit/Robinson/Erving/Baylor and KD...

[warriorfan]

why would I say something when fatal is smarter and can express himself far better?

you are a beta parrot :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

why would I say something when fatal is smarter and can express himself far better? lol at 'steal' Don Dramatico, listing his Wiki achievements :lol

Still waiting on the refuting part, though.

21/6/5 doesn't quite look like a top 15 career, does it now? :lol

as for 20 better players, I have Havlicek 24th... just before Wade, might switch em though ;)

The usual top 11, plus Dirk/Kobe/West/Oscar/Barkley/Malone/KG/Pettit/Robinson/Erving/Baylor and KD...

So basically you were chirping about a subject you have no real opinion on or understanding of and instead of admitting that you, as a grown ass man, let a retired poster speak for you from beyond the grave? Wow.

Lesson learned- if you don't have shit to say, don't say shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

So basically you were chirping about a subject you have no real opinion on or understanding of and instead of admitting that you, as a grown ass man, let a retired poster speak for you from beyond the grave? Wow.

Lesson learned- if you don't have shit to say, don't say shit.

I believe fatal knows alot more than your wiki copying ass :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6492351&postcount=30
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6493335&postcount=47
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6496144&postcount=84

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[DonDadda59]

I believe fatal knows alot more than your wiki copying ass :lol

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6492351&postcount=30
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6493335&postcount=47
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6496144&postcount=84

waiting https://i.gyazo.com/be84d998317b17e42efde12016d9ee18.png

I tore that dude to shreds hundreds of times here, to the point he was sending me PMs begging me to leave him alone. If I want to have another debate with him, I'll get a DeLorean and go back in time to shut him down again.

What I find absolutely pathetic and weird as hell is that you're a cheerleader for a retired poster but you personally have absolutely nothing to add to the discussion... yet you keep posting. That is some other level beta shit right there my Kraut brother. What do YOU personally think about the subject at hand?

If you don't have shit to say, don't say shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

I tore that dude to shreds hundreds of times here, to the point he was sending me PMs begging me to leave him alone. If I want to have another debate with him, I'll get a DeLorean and go back in time to shut him down again.

What I find absolutely pathetic and weird as hell is that you're a cheerleader for a retired poster but you personally have absolutely nothing to add to the discussion... yet you keep posting. That is some other level beta shit right there my Kraut brother. What do YOU personally think about the subject at hand?

If you don't have shit to say, don't say shit.

thats all very nice and worth alot coming from you, but..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6492351&postcount=30
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6493335&postcount=47
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6496144&postcount=84

waiting https://i.gyazo.com/be84d998317b17e42efde12016d9ee18.png

[Vaniiiia]

I tore that dude to shreds hundreds of times here, to the point he was sending me PMs begging me to leave him alone. If I want to have another debate with him, I'll get a DeLorean and go back in time to shut him down again.

What I find absolutely pathetic and weird as hell is that you're a cheerleader for a retired poster but you personally have absolutely nothing to add to the discussion... yet you keep posting. That is some other level beta shit right there my Kraut brother. What do YOU personally think about the subject at hand?

If you don't have shit to say, don't say shit.
I'm a Dadda stan.

This is FIRE!

[KG215]

kobe has a top 10 all time resume without shaq
:oldlol:

Along with your dumbassery and ignorance, your delusion knows no bounds.

[DonDadda59]

thats all very nice and worth alot coming from you, but..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6492351&postcount=30
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6493335&postcount=47
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6496144&postcount=84

waiting https://i.gyazo.com/be84d998317b17e42efde12016d9ee18.png

I'll get into another debate with Fatal when he starts posting here again. Let me ask you something- if I waste the time responding to posts from a retired poster from 4 years ago... are you, his pool boy, going to reply to that?

What's the point of arguing with someone who doesn't even exist here any more? Lord knows you're not going to respond to anything I write. :lol

Again, if YOU have nothing to say then sit down and shut the f*ck up, stay at the kids table while adults are talking.

[GIF REACTION]

don got destroyed last week by me and west-side

dude ducked out for a couple days

[Vaniiiia]

I'll get into another debate with Fatal when he starts posting here again. Let me ask you something- if I waste the time responding to posts from a retired poster from 4 years ago... are you, his pool boy, going to reply to that?

What's the point of arguing with someone who doesn't even exist here any more? Lord knows you're not going to respond to anything I write. :lol

Again, if YOU have nothing to say then sit down and shut the f*ck up, stay at the kids table while adults are talking.
Fatal probably lurking this thread RIGHT NOW bumping this shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-kuVlF2VA

[DonDadda59]

don got destroyed last week by me and west-side

dude ducked out for a couple days

You got me banned while I was in the middle of handling you and your alt you snitch. After I came back I got back to doing why I do- bullying little *******s like you.

Stop snitching.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'll get into another debate with Fatal when he starts posting here again. Let me ask you something- if I waste the time responding to posts from a retired poster from 4 years ago... are you, his pool boy, going to reply to that?

What's the point of arguing with someone who doesn't even exist here any more? Lord knows you're not going to respond to anything I write. :lol

Again, if YOU have nothing to say then sit down and shut the f*ck up, stay at the kids table while adults are talking.

I'm literally entertaining a discussion with a grown ass man that bitched about getting banned and made a thread about given poster he believed to have snitched on him.. go ahead or not, your rep has fallen regardless :lol

[DonDadda59]

I'm literally entertaining a discussion with a grown ass man that bitched about getting banned and made a thread about given poster he believed to have snitched on him.. go ahead or not, your rep has fallen regardless :lol

You're a grown ass man who can't speak for himself and stans for a poster I chased off the internet years ago. :oldlol:

22,000 posts in a year and change and you've never managed to actually say anything.

If you don't have shit to say, don't say shit.