At their Athletic Peak: Wade or Kobe?

[Wade's Rings]

Who was more athletic?

Wade

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Kobe

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http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/kobe-rookie-alley-oop-1996-kobe-bryant-gifs.gif

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http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kobe-posterizing-okafor.gif

These were mostly dunking gifs but if someone wants to put speed, vertical gifs/videos, I'll make other posts with those gifs/videos.

[GIF REACTION]

Kode or Wabe?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Wade was quicker, stronger, and had more explosion.

Kobe had the higher vertical and was more shifty around the basket, though that could be due to his superior footwork.

[iTare]

Wade is the better specimen, Kobe the better player.


So Wade.

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U

[JohnMax]

Kobe because he has a better first step

[TripleA]

Kobe because he has a better first step

Wade has a better first step. He called the flash for a reason.

[HighFlyer23]

Kobe because he has a better first step

No

Kobes first step was never that special

[eliteballer]

No

Kobes first step was never that special

Uh, yes it was. He used to make VC and McGrady look slow.

Wade relies a lot on screens to get a step on his defender.

[Vaniiiia]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvWy9liwC7U
Look at that weak shit.

Kobes dunks NEVER impressed me. Just boring.

Wade was clearly the better athlete and player in his peak.

Imagine young Wade with prime/peak Shaq. Hell... young DWade won with out of prime shaq

Never forget: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z49whgBNCyE

[HighFlyer23]

Uh, yes it was. He used to make VC and McGrady look slow.

Wade relies a lot on screens to get a step on his defender.

Kobe had nice handles and relied on them to beat defenders

But his pure first step was not that amazing

Not better than VC or T Mac

VC relied on pure athleticism to get to the bucket

[eliteballer]

Kobe had nice handles and relied on them to beat defenders

But his pure first step was not that amazing

Not better than VC or T Mac

VC relied on pure athleticism to get to the bucket

Your delusional..........he was CLEARLY more explosive off the first step than either of them.

Your either hating or haven't seen enough of kobe when he was young.

[ShawkFactory]

Purely athletically? It's Wade.

Dude was a freak. Sometimes you really forgot that he was barely 6'4...

[eliteballer]

Purely athletically? It's Wade.

Dude was a freak. Sometimes you really forgot that he was barely 6'4...

In shoes(what NBA heights go by) he's closer to 6-5 than 6-4, and he has a huge wingspan and hands....those help a lot.

[Vaniiiia]

Your delusional..........he was CLEARLY more explosive off the first step than either of them.

Your either hating or haven't seen enough of kobe when he was young.
Oh, he's the delusional one... right. :oldlol:

Not the extremely biased lakers/kobe homer who swings from his nuts any chance he can...

he's not delusional at all.

Kobe glided to the rim, and had practically NO explosiveness at all. Hence why he's considered such a boring dunker and why no one will ever consider him an all time great athletic specimen. Because he's not.

[eliteballer]

Oh, he's the delusional one... right. :oldlol:

Not the extremely biased lakers/kobe homer who swings from his nuts any chance he can...

he's not delusional at all.

Kobe glided to the rim, and had practically NO explosiveness at all. Hence why he's considered such a boring dunker and why no one will ever consider him an all time great athletic specimen. Because he's not.

Some rook poster trying to put his name on the map by comin at me, keep your BS to yourself until you actually contribute something to these boards:roll:

[WayOfWade]

I'm pretty sure Kobe could jump higher, but Wade was bigger and stronger, and quicker as well making him the better physical specimen. He also dresses better than Kobe

[Vaniiiia]

Some rook poster trying to put his name on the map by comin at me, keep your BS to yourself until you actually contribute something to these boards:roll:
:roll:

Don't kid yourself, nobody knows who you are.

[WayOfWade]

http://morethan-stats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/DwayneWade.jpg
vs.
http://lakersblog.latimes.com/.a/6a00d8341c506253ef01348058b64e970c-pi

[Wade's Rings]

I'm pretty sure Kobe could jump higher, but Wade was bigger and stronger, and quicker as well making him the better physical specimen. He also dresses better than Kobe

:roll:

[Magic 32]

2002-03 Kobe wins.

Wade wins outside of that year.

[Cold soul]

I have to give it to Wade is stronger, faster, quicker, with elite first step, explosive as hell other than vert and jumping ability this goes to Wade as better natural athlete.

[retaxis]

wades a much better shooter as well. Within that 12-17 feet area wade killed the mavericks in the finals. What was wades finals average compared to 09-10 kobes? All i know is Wade had ATG finals.

[lefthook00]

Vince had a crazy vert but did not have a special first step, and his lateral movement was not special either.

Tmac had a better first step than Vince, but it was slower than Kobe's. He was a taller, longer version of Kobe, not as fast.

Wade had a faster first and second step than Kobe but Kobe had a faster jab step.

I think they are even: Wade was quicker and faster, Kobe had better vert, I'm not sure if Wade is stronger, Kobe was pretty big at one point, and skinny Kobe battled it out with Melo, and would bully Wade in the post..

[smoovegittar]

At their peak, I would take Wade.

[plowking]

Wade was quicker, stronger, and had more explosion.

Kobe had the higher vertical and was more shifty around the basket, though that could be due to his superior footwork.

Kobe doesn't have better footwork than Wade.

[triangleoffense]

Some rook poster trying to put his name on the map by comin at me, keep your BS to yourself until you actually contribute something to these boards:roll:
ownt :pimp:

[HighFlyer23]

Kobe doesn't have better footwork than Wade.

Lol Kobe has better footwork than MJ, arguably

[f0und]

if better footwork means fancy unnecessary dancing around, then kobe.

if better footwork means using it in more practical ways to get to wherever you want on the floor, then wade.

[Papaya Petee]

Wade could finish better with contact, had better footwork, manuevered though traffic like nobody could.

His dunk on Perkins is the best example of just how athletic he was in his prime.

[plowking]

if better footwork means fancy unnecessary dancing around, then kobe.

if better footwork means using it in more practical ways to get to wherever you want on the floor, then wade.

Exactly. Wade is the pinnacle in terms of efficiency and footwork at the guard position. At his best he moved with purpose and had very little wasted movement.

Look at the way he has used his body and feet to destroy defenders over the years with in and outs, euro steps and dukes over the years.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe doesn't have better footwork than Wade.

Seriously Plo, when did you graduate to full on troll level comparable to Kennenth and JT?

[plowking]

Seriously Plo, when did you graduate to full on troll level comparable to Kennenth and JT?

As usual no one can dispute or bring any argument to the table.

This forum is trash for discussion.

[HOoopCityJones]

As usual no one can dispute or bring any argument to the table.

This forum is trash for discussion.

Ive made a thread for this fruitful discussion. Please school us on Wade's superior footwork compared to Kobe without sounding retarded. :cheers:

[VeeCee15]

kobe had a weak frist step

VC had no handles when he got into the league but was dunking on everyone..u know why? Cuase of his godly first step.

Kobe is not an exceptional athlete in ANY measurements...
first step no
vertical no (it's weak..he can barely do a between the legs dunk lol)
strength no (narrow shoulders, weak)
small hands

[Vaniiiia]

kobe had a weak frist step

VC had no handles when he got into the league but was dunking on everyone..u know why? Cuase of his godly first step.

Kobe is not an exceptional athlete in ANY measurements...
first step no
vertical no (it's weak..he can barely do a between the legs dunk lol)
strength no (narrow shoulders, weak)
small hands
Jesus Christ this is some specially formulated (potent) medical grade rat poison from Dr. VeeCee15 himself.

:bowdown:

Kobe stans be like ... http://media.giphy.com/media/4TMqcN59kg3Yc/giphy.gif

[ImKobe]

kobe had a weak frist step

VC had no handles when he got into the league but was dunking on everyone..u know why? Cuase of his godly first step.

Kobe is not an exceptional athlete in ANY measurements...
first step no
vertical no (it's weak..he can barely do a between the legs dunk lol)
strength no (narrow shoulders, weak)
small hands

Just goes to show how much you can accomplish when you work hard at whatever you do every single day. Kobe had a weak vertical and he didn't have PG speed, not the strongest player to play the game, yet he dominated with his high BBIQ and killer instinct.

[Vaniiiia]

Just goes to show how much you can accomplish when you work hard at whatever you do every single day. Kobe had a weak vertical and he didn't have PG speed, not the strongest player to play the game, yet he dominated with his high BBIQ and killer instinct.
Kobe worked very hard but every day true.

Which is why I think it's a shame he was never able to enter my top 10. All that hard work only to be on the outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9NQFACZYEU

[Cali Syndicate]

Wade was quicker, stronger, and had more explosion.

Kobe had the higher vertical and was more shifty around the basket, though that could be due to his superior footwork.

Fully agree, Kobe was also more agile.

[SamuraiSWISH]

At their athletic peak and both healthy ... I'm going Wade. I prefer players that slice up a defense from the inside - out. It creates more problems for an opposition. I rather have the guy who gets easy buckets than tries to make difficult shots easy.

[ImKobe]

Kobe worked very hard but every day true.

Which is why I think it's a shame he was never able to enter my top 10. All that hard work only to be on the outside.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9NQFACZYEU

Hey, it's your opinion bro, I ain't gonna judge :cheers:

[sundizz]

Wade has more natural athleticism and flexibility in his motions.
Kobe has more practiced athleticism (vertical height, straight line quickness).

If you go back and watch a 2001 or earlier Kobe it is ridiculous just how many athletic moves he makes in a game. We seriously forget. It's silly how athletic he was back then. He makes someone like Derozen look like a B grade athlete. All we remember now is "stats" like vertical, pure speed etc. Kobe was doing 2-5 super athletic (not seen in today's NBA) plays a game back then.

[DonDadda59]

As usual no one can dispute or bring any argument to the table.

This forum is trash for discussion.

You ain't lying. What the hell happened to this forum? I remember a few years ago if Bruce Blitz created one of his copy and paste threads, anyone who disagreed with him would jump in and actually make arguments against him and before long you'd have a 20 page thread of back and forths. Nowadays a guy like 3Ball just straight bullies posters here without even trying. Dudes' only response is this-

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Black-Kid-Freaks-Out-When-A-Camera-Films-At-McDonalds.gif

Or 'nuh uh'.

Guys can't speak for themselves or formulate thoughts or arguments of their own. Truly a weak era.

[plowking]

You ain't lying. What the hell happened to this forum? I remember a few years ago if Bruce Blitz created one of his copy and paste threads, anyone who disagreed with him would jump in and actually make arguments against him and before long you'd have a 20 page thread of back and forths. Nowadays a guy like 3Ball just straight bullies posters here without even trying. Dudes' only response is this-

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Black-Kid-Freaks-Out-When-A-Camera-Films-At-McDonalds.gif

Or 'nuh uh'.

Guys can't speak for themselves or formulate thoughts or arguments of their own. Truly a weak era.

We should get a beer sometime.

[DonDadda59]

We should get a beer sometime.

Never thought I'd see the day when we agreed on something. :biggums:

[plowking]

Never thought I'd see the day when we agreed on something. :biggums:

If I call you a bitch, it is because I love you.

Nah, seriously, this forum is beyond depressing. People literally don't know what an argument is, or how to win one. At least we go back and forth, and throw some damn jabs at each other.
I seriously look at some of the shit going on here and just sit here and go "what the actual f*ck"...

So many damn spastics in here.

[Wade's Rings]

You ain't lying. What the hell happened to this forum? I remember a few years ago if Bruce Blitz created one of his copy and paste threads, anyone who disagreed with him would jump in and actually make arguments against him and before long you'd have a 20 page thread of back and forths. Nowadays a guy like 3Ball just straight bullies posters here without even trying. Dudes' only response is this-

http://mrwgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Black-Kid-Freaks-Out-When-A-Camera-Films-At-McDonalds.gif

Or 'nuh uh'.

Guys can't speak for themselves or formulate thoughts or arguments of their own. Truly a weak era.

:oldlol:

[HighFlyer23]

kobe had a weak frist step

VC had no handles when he got into the league but was dunking on everyone..u know why? Cuase of his godly first step.

Kobe is not an exceptional athlete in ANY measurements...
first step no
vertical no (it's weak..he can barely do a between the legs dunk lol)
strength no (narrow shoulders, weak)
small hands

This

Kobe has exceptional handles, body control and decent agility

He is a finesse skill player

VC was pure athleticism ... super explosive with an incredible vertical and first step

[julizaver]

Probably because of height advantage of Bryant, Wade's plays (dunking) looks more impresive then Bryant's.

Young Kobe was very exposive and dynamic player and in no way I could give a clear edge to Wade in the atletic department. They are very closed if not equal in their own terms.

It seems that Kobe jumps more effortlessly while when you see Wade jumping it seems he put a lot more presure in his knees.

[scandisk_]

Different kinds of footwork breh. Wade's efficient and quick while kobe's fancier and refined.

[Dragonyeuw]

Whats Wade and Kobe's verts? As athletic as they both are its interesting that neither has a truly elite vertical.

[julizaver]

Whats Wade and Kobe's verts? As athletic as they both are its interesting that neither has a truly elite vertical.

Depending on what you consider elite vertical. For me any vertical around 40 is elite. I could agree that they are not in the same class as Jordan and Carter, probably having 4-5 inches less, but MJ and Carter are over 40 (around 44).

[Dragonyeuw]

Depending on what you consider elite vertical. For me any vertical around 40 is elite. I could agree that they are not in the same class as Jordan and Carter, probably having 4-5 inches less, but MJ and Carter are over 40 (around 44).

Yeah I'm looking at 40+ as being in elite category. I don't think either Kobe or Wade are pushing 40, maybe 36-38?

[BigBoss]

The one whose peak lasted longer.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Lol Kobe has better footwork than MJ, arguably

Nope.

On topic, Wade.

[Wade's Rings]

Yeah I'm looking at 40+ as being in elite category. I don't think either Kobe or Wade are pushing 40, maybe 36-38?

I think Wade's Vert was 36 and Kobe's 39. Not 100% on that.

[sundizz]

Yeah I'm looking at 40+ as being in elite category. I don't think either Kobe or Wade are pushing 40, maybe 36-38?

Considering he is 6'6 (with shoes) that means his head gets to 9'10.

I think I've definitely seen that happen on some of the oops from his younger days.

[red1]

just athleticism? definitely wade. prime wade was an incredible athlete

[Smoke117]

Their athleticism is pretty similar really...what separates Wade in this aspect is his huge wingspan. Length goes a long way in basketball. Wade in general is a much more fluid ball handler so that gives the illusion of better athleticism too.

[Smoke117]

If I call you a bitch, it is because I love you.

Nah, seriously, this forum is beyond depressing. People literally don't know what an argument is, or how to win one. At least we go back and forth, and throw some damn jabs at each other.
I seriously look at some of the shit going on here and just sit here and go "what the actual f*ck"...

So many damn spastics in here.

Half the forum literally needs to be banned if there is any chance of ISH being cleaned up.

[j3lademaster]

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/kobe-posterizing-okafor.gif

These were mostly dunking gifs but if someone wants to put speed, vertical gifs/videos, I'll make other posts with those gifs/videos.That one was far from peak athletebe. Remember that dunk, it came out of nowhere... really didn't think he had it in him at the time.

[Heavincent]

That one was far from peak athletebe. Remember that dunk, it came out of nowhere... really didn't think he had it in him at the time.

Yeah his knee was in bad shape that year, and he was playing on a bad ankle in that game.

It's one of my favorite Kobe dunks because of how surprising it was.

[Smoke117]

A big problem with a lot of NBA fans is they think jumping high is what athleticism means...it isn't. It's funny how basketball has by far the most fans that have no idea about they sport they are watching. A lot of people get into the drama...but they have no concept of the actual sport and it's mechanics or anything. It's quite pathetic.