what can neuroscience tell us about dreaming?

[RidonKs]

or are dreams literally off the scientific radar

[BigNBAfan]

Dreams are subjective as far as i know, can't really detect them outside of alpha-beta waves.

I remember talking to a neuro-otologist about trans-magnetic brain stimulation (I'm a audiologist - so i see tinnitus patients allt he time), and essentially he had to remove these 'sleep waves' to see how the patients related the tinnitus to their limbic system.

It was way out of my scope of practice but interesting. As far as i know we can detect dreams, but what they are can't ever be measured IMO.

[Dresta]

Almost nothing.

[RidonKs]

i have similar feelings... the only hope is to somehow create a chemical stimulant that will act on our ability to recollect the total events. typically you're just vaguely aware of the last minute of your dream once you wake up but i don't see why that actually has the case.

but yeah, tracking neurons and locating the high levels of activity in specific areas could pay off in strange ways, but it will never be able to say anything very specific about your dreams, why you have them, what they mean, etc

i guess the answer to this question is not very much. :confusedshrug:

[RidonKs]

Almost nothing.
yeah, i am now realizing that :hammerhead:


how do you feel about using cultural myths to psychoanalyze somebody's dreams? is that more likely to fxck them up more by making them overaware of their real life neurotic nightmare?

[nathanjizzle]

the human mind can create a life of its own. dreams are just that, imaginary lives and occurrences, mostly derived from the persons real life experiences and their thoughts.

[RidonKs]

the human mind can create a life of its own. dreams are just that, imaginary lives, mostly derived from the persons real life experiences and their thoughts.
but isn't the life one lives also 'mostly derived from the persons real life experiences and their thoughts'

dreams are clearly manifestations of recurring worries and anxieties. they are often manifestations of elusive goals and ambitions. they are perpetual cliffhangers. they are produced by raw feeling since your consciousness is dormant and your subconscious is running the show. they can be controlled, and one can be trained to control them, but with certain highly specific constraints that are unadjustable. they can be your kingdom or they can be your prison. they reflect your deepest secret passions, your worst kept fears. they happen about 100,000 times to each person in a lifetime. they generate chemical stimulants in the brain that compel us to get up in the morning and keep on keeping on. they are entirely idiosyncratic.

:confusedshrug:

i honestly don't know what to make of them

[GIF REACTION]

the human mind can create a life of its own. dreams are just that, imaginary lives and occurrences, mostly derived from the persons real life experiences and their thoughts.
Good insight brother. You sound very educated in the arts and craft of the mind!

[Vaniiiia]

but isn't the life one lives also 'mostly derived from the persons real life experiences and their thoughts'

dreams are clearly manifestations of recurring worries and anxieties. they are often manifestations of elusive goals and ambitions. they are perpetual cliffhangers. they are produced by raw feeling since your consciousness is dormant and your subconscious is running the show. they can be controlled, and one can be trained to control them, but with certain highly specific constraints that are unadjustable. they can be your kingdom or they can be your prison. they reflect your deepest secret passions, your worst kept fears. they happen about 100,000 times to each person in a lifetime. they generate chemical stimulants in the brain that compel us to get up in the morning and keep on keeping on. they are entirely idiosyncratic.

:confusedshrug:

i honestly don't know what to make of them
Rod Sterling.. that you bro?

[RidonKs]

Rod Sterling.. that you bro?
hey you're the boards groundswell for hyper adrenaline pumping raw muscularity and mental determination to get it right and do what you do cuz fk the h8rs... so what do you dream about man? i'm not rod serling btw though, is that donalds son?

[fiddy]

dreams mean nothing and are based on emotions

[Vaniiiia]

hey you're the boards groundswell for hyper adrenaline pumping raw muscularity and mental determination to get it right and do what you do cuz fk the h8rs... so what do you dream about man? i'm not rod serling btw though, is that donalds son?
You described me to a tee... im impressed.

I don't really put much thought into my dreams anymore... (used to be into lucid dreaming, got pretty good at it too)

Nowadays I couldn't really tell you what I dream about. I just have weird adventures with random people. Usually people I only think about very briefly, but thinking of someone for 10 seconds is enough for them to be featured as a major character in my dream. Weird.

[Patrick Chewing]

I dreamed a dream in time gone by. When hope was high. And life worth living. I dreamed that love would never die. I dreamed that God would be forgiving. Then I was young and unafraid. And dreams were made and used and wasted. There was no ransom to be paid. No song unsung. No wine untasted.

[RidonKs]

I dreamed a dream in time gone by. When hope was high. And life worth living. I dreamed that love would never die. I dreamed that God would be forgiving. Then I was young and unafraid. And dreams were made and used and wasted. There was no ransom to be paid. No song unsung. No wine untasted.
:applause: :roll:

[~primetime~]

Dreams are subjective as far as i know, can't really detect them outside of alpha-beta waves.

I remember talking to a neuro-otologist about trans-magnetic brain stimulation (I'm a audiologist - so i see tinnitus patients allt he time), and essentially he had to remove these 'sleep waves' to see how the patients related the tinnitus to their limbic system.

It was way out of my scope of practice but interesting. As far as i know we can detect dreams, but what they are can't ever be measured IMO.
I have mild tinnitus, what do you suggest?

[ZeN]

but isn't the life one lives also 'mostly derived from the persons real life experiences and their thoughts'

dreams are clearly manifestations of recurring worries and anxieties. they are often manifestations of elusive goals and ambitions. they are perpetual cliffhangers. they are produced by raw feeling since your consciousness is dormant and your subconscious is running the show. they can be controlled, and one can be trained to control them, but with certain highly specific constraints that are unadjustable. they can be your kingdom or they can be your prison. they reflect your deepest secret passions, your worst kept fears. they happen about 100,000 times to each person in a lifetime. they generate chemical stimulants in the brain that compel us to get up in the morning and keep on keeping on. they are entirely idiosyncratic.

:confusedshrug:

i honestly don't know what to make of them
All wrong.

[RidonKs]

All wrong.
oh boy do tell, you've got a phd in make believe so i'll pay close attention

[Bosnian Sajo]

Calling on Jefferson "cash" money to the thread please, Jefferson "cash" money.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Besides being an insanely interesting undergrad major, career options afterwards are limited to research pretty much (although some of them are very fascinating, I know someone who landed a high end research lab job post college). As is most hard sciences.

It wasn't a major offered at my school. Surprisingly, biochem isn't a major too. You can be a bio major however and have a concentration in chemical bio or something. It's weird. If neuroscience was a major at my undergrad, I probably would have considered it when I changed majors freshman year.

[shlver]

It’s difficult to precisely say what the source of dreaming is but we can observe physiological sources of activity during periods of sleep associated with dreaming(REM sleep) through observation of different aspects of neurological activity such as blood flow(functional MRI), metabolic activity(gene expression), electrical activity(EEG), etc.

This particular study enlisted the help of experienced lucid dreamers to flex their respective hands once they became lucid. The researchers found that the motor neurons associated with hand clenching were activated during the lucid dream as well as clenching while awake(control).
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0960982211010311

This study found glial cell formation and subsequent myelination were upregulated during sleep giving further support to the idea neuronal pathways formed through learning are reinforced during sleep.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3874087/

There’s plenty more out there, but like consciousness; we only know what parts of brain activity correlates to the act of dreaming, not the source.

[ZeN]

oh boy do tell, you've got a phd in make believe so i'll pay close attention
We already know you don't pay attention to shit, so stop being a damn hypocrite.