ISH Official 2015 FIBA Americas Championship Game And Discussion Thread

[Euroleague]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/2015_FIBA_Americas_Championship_logo.jpg


Here are the teams:

Argentina
Brazil
Canada
Cuba
Dominican Republic
Mexico
Panama
Puerto Rico
Uruguay
Venezula


Official website in English:

http://www.fibaamericas.com/mex2015/en/


Official website in Spanish:

http://www.fibaamericas.com/mex2015/


The tournament is hosted by Mexico, and takes place in Mexico City. It begins on August 31, 2015, and lasts until September 12, 2015.

Here is the schedule:

http://www.fibaamericas.com/mex2015/en/calendario.asp?w=1


The rosters of the teams can be found here:

http://www.fibaamericas.com/mex2015/en/equipos.asp?xtab=4&w=1


It takes place at the Palacio de los Deportes Arena in Mexico City, Mexico (capacity: 22,000):

http://grenpro.com/imagery/pf-9-preview.jpg


The teams that finish in the first two places (excluding Brazil, as they host the 2016 Olympics) will qualify for the 2016 Olympics.

If Brazil finishes in first place, then the second place and third place teams will qualify for the 2016 Olympics.

If Brazil finishes in second place, then the first and third place teams will qualify for the 2016 Olympics.


Where to watch the games:

If you are in the USA, and you have a cable or satellite provider, then you can watch the games on http://espn.go.com/watchespn/index - with the WatchESPN app you can watch the games on TV.

Or you can watch the games on http://www.livebasketball.tv/ - but you have to register there.


You can also see the games on sites like,

http://sportstream.tv/

http://www.rojadirecta.me/

and other similar sites. Links can be posted during the tournament.

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Let us discuss the tournament in this thread.


PLEASE do NOT troll in this thread, if you are going to participate in the topic's discussion. Thank you.
NO TROLLING!!!

[Dr.J4ever]

I will be rooting for Nick Stauskas to do well.

[Genaro]

Almost all the teams aren't going with full strength so it makes hard to do predictions. Canada took their best team but they're too young, in 2020 they'll be a real good team.

[Euroleague]

Almost all the teams aren't going with full strength so it makes hard to do predictions. Canada took their best team but they're too young, in 2020 they'll be a real good team.

Yeah but, according to the trolls in the forum, all the other teams beside Canada are "playing with their full rosters and all their best players".........

[swagga]

Yeah but, according to the trolls in the forum, all the other teams beside Canada are "playing with their full rosters and all their best players".........

it's time in arkansas for a comeback to posting? They miss you on clutchfans doe.

[Sakkreth]

Third place team might qualify for olympics, but if you finish third in eurobasket u don't qualify :roll:

ohh fiba...

[Euroleague]

Third place team might qualify for olympics, but if you finish third in eurobasket u don't qualify :roll:

ohh fiba...

FIBA is run by a bunch of crooks obviously.

[Euroleague]

First Day Results:


Venezuela 73 - Cuba 52

Uruguay 71 - Brazil 57

Argentina 91 - Puerto Rico 86

Mexico 84 - Dominican Republic 66

[Euroleague]

Panama beat Uruguay 78 - 71.

[Euroleague]

Argentina is leading Canada 46 - 42 at halftime.

[Twiens]

Scola too damn good

[ISHGoat]

Where can I watch the highlights? better yet, is there a taped rerun or something?

[Euroleague]

Where can I watch the highlights? better yet, is there a taped rerun or something?

Highlights are at FIBA's YouTube channel.

You can watch full game replays at ESPN3 if you get it.

They should also be uploaded to YouTube eventually.

[Euroleague]

Scola too damn good

Canada's "vastly superior NBA players" got schooled in what FIBA basketball is like. Real FIBA basketball anyway. Not those friendly games they were playing.

And elimination games are way more intense than that.

Canada is absolutely no threat at all to any of the top European teams. They are the most over hyped national team of all time. All this "Canada is the 2nd best national team in the world" talk is ridiculous.

[BurningHammer]

Canada got both good and bad news. Canada lost today, but Scola will play of a Canadian pro team. :ohwell:

[You Cant Ban Me]

America not in it.....this tourny dont even count in my eyes

[Hey Yo]

Wiggins dunks on ex-NBA'er, Andres Nocioni. Isn't as bad as the article (with video) makes it out to be.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/01/andrew-wiggins-dunks-on-andres-nocioni-bumps-him-again-while-hanging-on-rim-video/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Asukal]

Why are these topics even allowed here? This is the NBA forum ffs. :facepalm

[BurningHammer]

America not in it.....this tourny dont even count in my eyes
Even if they were in, it wouldn't count your eyes neither since they would easily dominate the tournament.

[Jameerthefear]

why ur country holding l's today hamma?

[Euroleague]

America not in it.....this tourny dont even count in my eyes

Yeah well, FIBA is going to solve that problem. They changed the rules so that USA can't skip tournaments anymore.

[JtotheIzzo]

Yeah well, FIBA is going to solve that problem. They changed the rules so that USA can't skip tournaments anymore.

The problem of America winning and dominating and getting automatic bids?

Very Eurocentric view.

I am glad Canada lost to Argentina, this game really means very little, only one team from each group gets dropped for the second round. Triano played 10 guys more than 10 minutes and everyone saw the floor.

This teams was getting too much hype without having done anything of note. Argentina has some nice veteran pieces and Scola played out of his mind.

Canada's defense was shocking, and the effort was lacking. THis is a perfect slap in the face, they need to step up the defense as well as the intensity.

Great lesson for these young kids.

[Euroleague]

The problem of America winning and dominating and getting automatic bids?

Very Eurocentric view.

What the hell are you talking about? Automatic bids don't exist anymore. How the hell is that "Eurocentric?

It was done for all regions, and it was done at the request of the NBA, in order to make qualifying EASIER for the NBA, and so that NBA players would have to play way LESS games.

Don't make up stuff.

[Rooster]

Wiggins dunks on ex-NBA'er, Andres Nocioni. Isn't as bad as the article (with video) makes it out to be.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/01/andrew-wiggins-dunks-on-andres-nocioni-bumps-him-again-while-hanging-on-rim-video/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Nocioni

Last NBA sighting : Buttshifting and towel waving :roll:

2015 Euroleague Finals MVP:bowdown:

Translation: He is not :no: worthy to be mention on the same sentence with Wiggins:bowdown:

[BurningHammer]

Canada trashed Cuba by a 40 points :rockon: :cheers:

[JtotheIzzo]

Big win today for the red and white (101-59 over Cuba), pretty much balanced playing time for all twelve guys, big game from Nik Stauskas (that'll be huge going forward).

After the humbling wake up call they took from Argentina, this is the Team Canada we need to see night in and out. Obviously Cuba is one of the weaker sides, but if we can come out like this every night things will improve.

Another day, another lesson for the young kids from the North.

[Dr.J4ever]

Big win today for the red and white (101-59 over Cuba), pretty much balanced playing time for all twelve guys, big game from Nik Stauskas (that'll be huge going forward).

After the humbling wake up call they took from Argentina, this is the Team Canada we need to see night in and out. Obviously Cuba is one of the weaker sides, but if we can come out like this every night things will improve.

Another day, another lesson for the young kids from the North.

Stauskas stats?

Got it.

N. STAUSKAS
SF 22:52 5-11 45 1-7 14 4-4 100 0 6 6 4 0 0 0 2 15

1-7 from 3? Not so good, but 5-11 overall. Didn't see the game so I can't say about his overall impact.

Just Cuba though. Canada will probably make it to the eliminations, and I'll make sure to watch those.

[JtotheIzzo]

Stauskas stats?

Got it.

N. STAUSKAS
SF 22:52 5-11 45 1-7 14 4-4 100 0 6 6 4 0 0 0 2 15

1-7 from 3? Not so good, but 5-11 overall. Didn't see the game so I can't say about his overall impact.

Just Cuba though. Canada will probably make it to the eliminations, and I'll make sure to watch those.

The team is starting

C. Joseph
N. Stauskas
A. Wiggins
A. Bennett
K. Olynyk

Stauskas has gotten better each game, I wouldn't worry about the 1/7, his shooting is not the question it was his position on the team.

Being in the first five and being in the offense to that level (could have easily been a 25 plus point game), shows he is doing it.

[JtotheIzzo]

Canada defeats previously undefeated Venezuela by 20 points.

Nik Stauskas high point man with another solid outing.

High shooting pct, balanced scoring and playing time once again for the Red and White.

[Dr.J4ever]

Canada defeats previously undefeated Venezuela by 20 points.

Nik Stauskas high point man with another solid outing.

High shooting pct, balanced scoring and playing time once again for the Red and White.
Nice. Stauskas 4-5 from 3....:applause:

[sportjames23]

When did Canada get good? :eek:

[JtotheIzzo]

When did Canada get good? :eek:

Kids got too swaggy after going undefeated in Tuto Marchand. Argentina taught them a valuable lesson in the opener and since then they have been crushing. Lets hope they keep it up and take nothing for granted, this team has done nothing and has a ton to prove so they need to bring it every night till the 2020 Olympics.

Gotta get that hunger, looks like they are learning how to get down and put in work. Great for the careers of Stauskas and Bennett and the superstar molding of Wiggins. Hopefully Tyler Ennis plays next year so he can experience this.

[Euroleague]

When did Canada get good? :eek:

As of now, never. Wins over Cuba (one of the worst teams of the planet) and Venezuela, an average team of FIBA Americas (3rd best FIBA region), that was playing without its 2 best players, does not qualify them to be counted as "good".

Although "on paper", they should be a pretty good team.

[Euroleague]

Anyway, that Cuban player Jasiel Rivero............DAMN that guy is good. Best player in this tournament BY FAR.

He's supposedly just been playing in the Cuban League, and according to what the announcers said, he's going to play in Uruguay next season, with a South American League club.

Come on really? He's got to get in a better league than that. At least something like freaking Italian League, or Eurocup or something.

This guy is really good.

Well, after a season in South American League, I expect him to be playing somewhere in Europe the next season. But damn, this guy needs to be playing in a big Euroleague club right now. He's the best player at this tournament, and I don't even think it's close.

[Dr.J4ever]

I finally got to see Canada in action vs. PR.

It was a struggle in the 1st half against a mediocre but very experienced fiba team in Puerto Rico. Canada still has issues with young players who are still developing, but again, their ceiling is very high, particularly Wiggins.

With Steve Nash cheering them on, Wiggins poured in 19 points and Stauskas, the new 76er, chipped in with 15 points as Canada blasted PR in the 2nd half to win going away.

Canada looks like they should be the best team of this tournament, since they clearly have the best players of the tournament. However, their lack of experience in fiba ball could be their undoing too.So let's see how they develop

[JtotheIzzo]

As of now, never. Wins over Cuba (one of the worst teams of the planet) and Venezuela, an average team of FIBA Americas (3rd best FIBA region), that was playing without its 2 best players, does not qualify them to be counted as "good".

Although "on paper", they should be a pretty good team.

3rd best region?

STFU retard

[Euroleague]

3rd best region?

STFU retard

FIBA Europe and FIBA Africa are both much better than FIBA Americas. FIBA Europe is better by leaps and bounds.

[JtotheIzzo]

FIBA Europe and FIBA Africa are both much better than FIBA Americas. FIBA Europe is better by leaps and bounds.

Now you are acting like a complete f*cking moron.

Name one African side that can compete with USA, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Puerto Rico, Mexico or DR best on best?


Just because your f@ggot ass Greek team (and I say f@ggot ass because Greeks invented ass f*cking) lost to Nigeria doesn't mean you need to keep propping up the continent.

Quit trolling.

[Maga_1]

Now you are acting like a complete f*cking moron.

Name one African side that can compete with USA, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Puerto Rico, Mexico or DR best on best?


Just because your f@ggot ass Greek team (and I say f@ggot ass because Greeks invented ass f*cking) lost to Nigeria doesn't mean you need to keep propping up the continent.

Quit trolling.

I'm not giving Euroleague the reason in this argument but i want to answer this question.
Currently Nigeria could win games against Puerto Rico, Mexico and DR in my opinion and give 2 more years of Angola under coach Moncho and they probably will get there too.

[Euroleague]

Now you are acting like a complete f*cking moron.

Name one African side that can compete with USA, Argentina, Brazil, Canada, Puerto Rico, Mexico or DR best on best?


Just because your f@ggot ass Greek team (and I say f@ggot ass because Greeks invented ass f*cking) lost to Nigeria doesn't mean you need to keep propping up the continent.

Quit trolling.

AfroBasket is a higher level tournament than FIBA Americas. It was in 2013, and it is this time also.

Not even close this time either.

[JtotheIzzo]

AfroBasket is a higher level tournament than FIBA Americas. It was in 2013, and it is this time also.

Not even close this time either.

Horseshit. You couldn't answer the question cuz u are a useless troll, so you come back with more trolling while avoiding the question.

Fail

[Euroleague]

Horseshit. You couldn't answer the question cuz u are a useless troll, so you come back with more trolling while avoiding the question.

Fail

It's a stupid question. You obviously have not seen an AfroBasket game once in your entire life, and you are an antagonistic and abusive moderator.

My IQ is higher than yours is, so I'm not falling for your crap. Try to find a more tactful way of baiting me into a 3 day ban, if you can.

[JtotheIzzo]

It's a stupid question. You obviously have not seen an AfroBasket game once in your entire life, and you are an antagonistic and abusive moderator.

My IQ is higher than yours is, so I'm not falling for your crap. Try to find a more tactful way of baiting me into a 3 day ban, if you can.

You said 'FIBA Africa is much better than FIBA Americas.'

You know its not, but you keep trying to stick to your failing argument, therefore you are either a troll, a retard, or psychotic.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt calling you a troll.

As for the '3 day ban', expect something much longer this time my friend (but I am sure someone with your advanced IQ Hahaha will find a way to weasel back here with an alt).

I have banned you before and I will ban you again. Be happy we tolerate your shitty threads in the main forum.

[JtotheIzzo]

Canada 103-66 over Panama.

Another blowout victory (the three other round 2 games were all close) for the Red and White, with 11/12 players playing more than 10 minutes and six players in double figures.

Nik Stauskas had 22 points and Andrew Wiggins had 19 points in 18 minutes of play.

Good balance, everyone getting the maximum amount of rest, it is beginning to look like it will come down to beating Mexico twice (in the 2nd round and likely the semi-finals) for Canada to take the next step and qualify.

[Dr.J4ever]

Canada 103-66 over Panama.

Another blowout victory (the three other round 2 games were all close) for the Red and White, with 11/12 players playing more than 10 minutes and six players in double figures.

Nik Stauskas had 22 points and Andrew Wiggins had 19 points in 18 minutes of play.

Good balance, everyone getting the maximum amount of rest, it is beginning to look like it will come down to beating Mexico twice (in the 2nd round and likely the semi-finals) for Canada to take the next step and qualify.

Stauskas heating up. Hope it continues through the elims!:applause:

[Euroleague]

You said 'FIBA Africa is much better than FIBA Americas.'

You know its not, but you keep trying to stick to your failing argument, therefore you are either a troll, a retard, or psychotic.

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt calling you a troll.

As for the '3 day ban', expect something much longer this time my friend (but I am sure someone with your advanced IQ Hahaha will find a way to weasel back here with an alt).

I have banned you before and I will ban you again. Be happy we tolerate your shitty threads in the main forum.

It is much better.

[Rooster]

I'm not giving Euroleague the reason in this argument but i want to answer this question.
Currently Nigeria could win games against Puerto Rico, Mexico and DR in my opinion and give 2 more years of Angola under coach Moncho and they probably will get there too.


:facepalm :facepalm

Nigeria and their players are basically an annex of USA.:rolleyes:

So in essence they are American who pledge their allegiance to the flag of the United States of America.:bowdown:

[Fallen Angel]

Can you guys give me a stream?

[JtotheIzzo]

It is much better.

precisely the opinion of a dumbass troll who gets ZERO respect.

[JtotheIzzo]

5th straight blowout victory for the Red and White, this time 109-82 over Uraguay. Wiggins, Stauskas and Nicholson were the high point men with everyone outside of starting center Kelly Olynyk playing double digit minutes.

Mexico on Tuesday, big game.

[Maga_1]

5th straight blowout victory for the Red and White, this time 109-82 over Uraguay. Wiggins, Stauskas and Nicholson were the high point men with everyone outside of starting center Kelly Olynyk playing double digit minutes.

Mexico on Tuesday, big game.

Not a big game, i think Mexico will probably throw the game away.

[JtotheIzzo]

Not a big game, i think Mexico will probably throw the game away.

Maybe, but with them as the host and a team that recently did very well in the last tourney and are undefeated this time, there may be talk of running the table.

They are veteran and tough, the type of team the young Canada team struggles against so they do make me worry.

[JtotheIzzo]

Not a big game, i think Mexico will probably throw the game away.

Canada up 52-30 at the half. Wiggins with 15pts (4/4 and 2/2 from 3).

Mexico has played their starters big minutes and used very little bench.

[BurningHammer]

Wiggins and Stauskas are on fire! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:

[BurningHammer]

Not a big game, i think Mexico will probably throw the game away.
They might throw the next game against Argentina so they will face "easier" Canada in the knock-out round.

[BurningHammer]

Mexico sits Ayon and the rest of starters. Either resting for the next game or throwing this away.

[Jameerthefear]

How's Nicholson doing?

[Dr.J4ever]

Wiggins and Stauskas are on fire! :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
update on Stauskas stats please when you have time

[BurningHammer]

How's Nicholson doing?
He did well when he started in place of Dwight Powell who was mildly injured and rest for few games.

[BurningHammer]

update on Stauskas stats please when you have time
10 points on 4-7. 2 3-pointers.

[ralph_i_el]

Canada going HAM

[BurningHammer]

Ejim is doing a great job as a hustle man off the bench.

[BurningHammer]

Canada is likely to face Mexico again. It is not gonna be this easy that's for sure.

[JtotheIzzo]

Mexico sits Ayon and the rest of starters. Either resting for the next game or throwing this away.

He played most of the 1st half, but with Canada up 22 at the half, there was no sense in putting miles on him.

Canada was doing five on five off subbing as early as the end of the first quarter, the depth of their team is a reason they have been out rebounding and out gunning the competition.

Be interesting to see what Mexico does vs Argentina.

[bdreason]

Canada is a top 10 International team right now. Future powerhouse. Welcome to the club my North American brothers. :cheers:

[BurningHammer]

Be interesting to see what Mexico does vs Argentina.
Mexico and Canada winning will be the most interesting case since point differentials will be used as the tiebreaker.

Mexico should end up at 3rd in most cases anyway, most likely.

[Maga_1]

Argentina will kill Mexico today, mark my words.

[Euroleague]

I'm not giving Euroleague the reason in this argument but i want to answer this question.
Currently Nigeria could win games against Puerto Rico, Mexico and DR in my opinion and give 2 more years of Angola under coach Moncho and they probably will get there too.

Tunisia and Senegal are pretty much same level as Angola and Nigeria more or less. Senegal is probably the most naturally talented if they have their top team.

[Twiens]

Need Mexico to beat Argentina today, as it would move Canada to first....and a guaranteed spot in the finals as we would destroy whoever the #4 seed is.

[kennethgriffin]

canada with tristan thompson would have a shot at dethroning the U.S.


give it a few more years for the stars to get into their primes. then its a lock

[JtotheIzzo]

Mexico just beat Argentina.

Any idea about the tie breaker?

[Dr.J4ever]

Argentina will kill Mexico today, mark my words.

Just the opposite apparently :lol

Mexico upends Argentina 95-83 in a very competitive game that went to the wire.

[Andrew Wiggins]

gustavo ayon beasted

38 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists

[JtotheIzzo]

Just the opposite apparently :lol

Mexico upends Argentina 95-83 in a very competitive game that went to the wire.

Mexico is a big, strong, verteran team, they are not to be taken lightly.

[Twiens]

Mexico just beat Argentina.

Any idea about the tie breaker?


Head to head point differential.

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Argentina
4. Venezuela

Canada vs Venezuela for a spot in the Olympics :cheers: :cheers:


That Argentina/Mexico rematch is going to be ridiculous.

[JtotheIzzo]

Head to head point differential.

1. Canada
2. Mexico
3. Argentina
4. Venezuela

Canada vs Venezuela for a spot in the Olympics :cheers: :cheers:


That Argentina/Mexico rematch is going to be ridiculous.

Yeah, just saw that as well.

Canada +14
Argentina -5
Mexico -9

Sweet. Lets hope they don't take Venezuela lightly and put them away early.

So glad we are not playing Mexico, in Mexico with a birth on the line.

[LAZERUSS]

Canada would probably easily beat the best of the European National teams.

[Fallen Angel]

gustavo ayon beasted

38 points, 13 rebounds, 4 assists
wow

[Maga_1]

Just the opposite apparently :lol

Mexico upends Argentina 95-83 in a very competitive game that went to the wire.

It was probably the most anormal game ever in FIBA Americas.
Did you watch the game?

The game was balanced until the 3rd quarter, Stoll takes a techinical foul and Mexico collapses and go down by 13.
Argentina scores the first position in the 4th quarter and make a 15 point lead with 9 minutes left and after that a guy called Cruz (who i never heard of make a 9-0 run by himself) and Mexico wins by 12.

:lol

[Dr.J4ever]

It was probably the most anormal game ever in FIBA Americas.
Did you watch the game?

The game was balanced until the 3rd quarter, Stoll takes a techinical foul and Mexico collapses and go down by 13.
Argentina scores the first position in the 4th quarter and make a 15 point lead with 9 minutes left and after that a guy called Cruz (who i never heard of make a 9-0 run by himself) and Mexico wins by 12.

:lol

Yes, I did see the game.

Was rooting for Mexico, and so when Argentina took a big lead, I switched to reading on the NFL's awesome Eagles:bowdown:

When I switched again with 2 or so minutes to go, Mexico to my surprise had taken a 85-83 lead. Argentina is a declining power. I would be surprised if they win this tourney. If they do, it will show that Canada isn't quite ready yet, despite their obvious talent.

Pretty sure Canada will challenge the top 5 globally very soon though.

[JtotheIzzo]

Pretty sure Canada will challenge the top 5 globally very soon though.

This is still a really young team. Next year they can add Tristan Thompson, Trey Lyles, Jamal Murray and Tyler Ennis, and there is continuous lottery talent coming down the pipeline. It isn't a matter of getting the NBA guys to play anymore, it is figuring out which NBA guys will make the grade. I think next year Brady Heslip is the only non-NBA guy on the team, because his shooting makes him extremely valuable in FIBA games.

7 straight blowout wins in a FIBA tourney, that is some USA Basketball shit right there, well done young fellas! Eyes on the prize though, don't get caught napping Friday night.

[Euroleague]

Mexico is a big, strong, verteran team, they are not to be taken lightly.

Mexico isn't even at the level of an average Eurocup team (second tier European league), but you argue here that Americas region is so strong........

:roll:

[Euroleague]

Canada would probably easily beat the best of the European National teams.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/I8nepxWwlEuqI/200.gif

[Euroleague]

Yes, I did see the game.

Was rooting for Mexico, and so when Argentina took a big lead, I switched to reading on the NFL's awesome Eagles:bowdown:

When I switched again with 2 or so minutes to go, Mexico to my surprise had taken a 85-83 lead. Argentina is a declining power. I would be surprised if they win this tourney. If they do, it will show that Canada isn't quite ready yet, despite their obvious talent.

Pretty sure Canada will challenge the top 5 globally very soon though.

That's odd that you say that, considering that you argue endlessly every world tournament that they will win a medal, and call anyone saying otherwise a "lunatic".

[Euroleague]

This is still a really young team. Next year they can add Tristan Thompson, Trey Lyles, Jamal Murray and Tyler Ennis, and there is continuous lottery talent coming down the pipeline. It isn't a matter of getting the NBA guys to play anymore, it is figuring out which NBA guys will make the grade. I think next year Brady Heslip is the only non-NBA guy on the team, because his shooting makes him extremely valuable in FIBA games.

7 straight blowout wins in a FIBA tourney, that is some USA Basketball shit right there, well done young fellas! Eyes on the prize though, don't get caught napping Friday night.

He's my favorite player Canada has.

[Rooster]

Canada would probably easily beat the best of the European National teams.

It's just a matter of time when everyone else will be playing for bronze.:oldlol:

USA will finally have a rival after years of running like a buzzsaw:bowdown:

[Rooster]

This is still a really young team. Next year they can add Tristan Thompson, Trey Lyles, Jamal Murray and Tyler Ennis, and there is continuous lottery talent coming down the pipeline. It isn't a matter of getting the NBA guys to play anymore, it is figuring out which NBA guys will make the grade. I think next year Brady Heslip is the only non-NBA guy on the team, because his shooting makes him extremely valuable in FIBA games.

7 straight blowout wins in a FIBA tourney, that is some USA Basketball shit right there, well done young fellas! Eyes on the prize though, don't get caught napping Friday night.

You guys probably hit your peak in 2-3 years from now.:applause: The fact that you guys are obliterating everyone at our region is a start and I think you guys will annihilate Euros at next World Cup. Guys just have to figure out how to play internationally and use that speed and athleticism to your advantage. I can see 20 points drubbing of everyone sans USA.:rockon:

[Euroleague]

You guys probably hit your peak in 2-3 years from now.:applause: The fact that you guys are obliterating everyone at our region is a start and I think you guys will annihilate Euros at next World Cup. Guys just have to figure out how to play internationally and use that speed and athleticism to your advantage. I can see 20 points drubbing of everyone sans USA.:rockon:

The next World Cup is in 2019 genius.

[USABall]

This is still a really young team. Next year they can add Tristan Thompson, Trey Lyles, Jamal Murray and Tyler Ennis, and there is continuous lottery talent coming down the pipeline. It isn't a matter of getting the NBA guys to play anymore, it is figuring out which NBA guys will make the grade. I think next year Brady Heslip is the only non-NBA guy on the team, because his shooting makes him extremely valuable in FIBA games.

7 straight blowout wins in a FIBA tourney, that is some USA Basketball shit right there, well done young fellas! Eyes on the prize though, don't get caught napping Friday night.

Don't get ahead of yourself. The USA has blown teams out in tournaments like this and still lost games when it really counted. Canada is nowhere near USA basketball consistency. A 96% winning average in the Olympics since 1936? Back to back World Cup titles without their best roster? I bet the best 10 non-USA teams in the world (none of them in this tournament) would blow these teams out sans-Canada.. Many of the teams are playing with watered down rosters anyway

[hawksdogsbraves]

Not a single Canadian player would come close to making the USA roster right now. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Bennett owning some Mexicans isn't quite the same as him averaging 2/1 on 30% shooting in the NBA.

[Legends66NBA7]

He's my favorite player Canada has.

Same here.

[sportjames23]

Not a single Canadian player would come close to making the USA roster right now. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Bennett owning some Mexicans isn't quite the same as him averaging 2/1 on 30% shooting in the NBA.

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[Legends66NBA7]

Wiggins wouldn't come close to making Team USA. They just have too much talent. I don't even think he would have made last year's Team USA FIBA team.

[BurningHammer]

Damn it, Venezuela is giving it all, leading Canada by 5 at one point.

[BurningHammer]

Team Canada has been shooting terribly.

[BurningHammer]

Oh crap, Venezuela takes the lead back again.

[BurningHammer]

Now that Canada tied the game up, Venezuela has a shot clock seconds for the last shot.

[BurningHammer]

Shit, a foul at the last second?

[BurningHammer]

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[BurningHammer]

Bullshit call. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[r0drig0lac]

Canada :roll:

[Twiens]

...wow

[BurningHammer]

While I know Canada's performance today was terrible, this is still refball at its best. :mad: :banghead:

[BurningHammer]

Now I root for Mexico to beat Argentina. :ohwell:

[JtotheIzzo]

Choke job supreme.

Gotta call it like it is.

This team is not a group that knows how to win (Olynyk's great game notwithstanding).

Handled this team in a blowout a few days earlier.

PATHETIC.

[BurningHammer]

Choke job supreme.

Gotta call it like it is.

This team is not a group that knows how to win (Olynyk's great game notwithstanding).

Handled this team in a blowout a few days earlier.

PATHETIC.
Well, it is about the same group that blew Pan Am golds on their home court.

Still, :banghead: :mad: :rant

[Prodigy]

Guess we're still not ready. Wiggins definitely did not have a good game or step up from what I saw in the last 6 minutes.

[JtotheIzzo]

Well, it is about the same group that blew Pan Am golds on their home court.

Still, :banghead: :mad: :rant

Maddeningly frustrating.

Building a winning culture takes time, talent is not enough when you go against seasoned veterans in international play.

Canada needs to install a culture of winning in its national team before they can collect accolades.

It was the perfect set up for the choke too, 7 straight blowouts, but the reality is NONE of those kids are winners (yet).

They need to learn from this, roll through the last chance tourney next summer and come out guns a blazing.

F*CKING SHOCKER

[Maga_1]

Venezuela is a great great team.
They don't play the typical south american basketball that's way they have been successful in this tournament.
They know that they can't beat Canada playing up tempo so they decided that their first task was transition defense.

(I predicted that they would do good this tournament somewhere, where they had a good game against Spain when they lost at the buzzer to them in a friendly match).

Pressure will be a lot more in the 3rd place match to win the automatic place to Olympics, i don't know what to expect.

[veilside23]

even if canada bags 3rd place they still wont make it ?

[r0drig0lac]

luifa :applause:

[Dr.J4ever]

Maddeningly frustrating.

Building a winning culture takes time, talent is not enough when you go against seasoned veterans in international play.

Canada needs to install a culture of winning in its national team before they can collect accolades.

It was the perfect set up for the choke too, 7 straight blowouts, but the reality is NONE of those kids are winners (yet).

They need to learn from this, roll through the last chance tourney next summer and come out guns a blazing.

F*CKING SHOCKER

Exactly right. None of your talented players have learned to win yet.

This is why I said earlier in the thread Canada could be upended by their lack of experience at the fiba level. It's a different game, and even the US had an adjustment period during the mid 2000s. It takes a while to figure out the international game, and learn which players actually fit your program.

It's not plug and play. Not all talented players fit the team, and you will learn from this. BTW, didn't watch the game, and so how did Stauskas do?

[JtotheIzzo]

Venezuela is a great great team.
They don't play the typical south american basketball that's way they have been successful in this tournament.
They know that they can't beat Canada playing up tempo so they decided that their first task was transition defense.

(I predicted that they would do good this tournament somewhere, where they had a good game against Spain when they lost at the buzzer to them in a friendly match).

Pressure will be a lot more in the 3rd place match to win the automatic place to Olympics, i don't know what to expect.

3rd doesn't get an automatic bid.

Gotta do it next summer versus the other regions.

BRUTAL!

[BurningHammer]

3rd doesn't get an automatic bid.

Gotta do it next summer versus the other regions.

BRUTAL!
Yep. Those Europeans will be difficult for the young Canucks.

Oh, and congrats to Argentina for beating Mexico 78-70.

[Maga_1]

3rd doesn't get an automatic bid.

Gotta do it next summer versus the other regions.

BRUTAL!

Didn't knew that, thanks for the correction!

One more year under their belt will make them good, but they had a tremendous oportunity in this competition without full teams like Porto Rico and Dominican Rep.

[Euroleague]

Maddeningly frustrating.

Building a winning culture takes time, talent is not enough when you go against seasoned veterans in international play.

Canada needs to install a culture of winning in its national team before they can collect accolades.

It was the perfect set up for the choke too, 7 straight blowouts, but the reality is NONE of those kids are winners (yet).

They need to learn from this, roll through the last chance tourney next summer and come out guns a blazing.

F*CKING SHOCKER

You do realize that the Olympic qualification tournament is going to have some actual real competition in it, and not just crap teams from FIBA Americas?

From what I saw of Canada in this tournament, I can say that they are a talented team and a good and deep team also, but I have one word for them....

SOFT

Maybe next year, if they get it, get what FIBA is all about (which contrary to what Dr.J4ever said - Team USA still has never gotten it), they will be ready to beat a good European national team, but no way is it happening right now. Right now they are way too soft to do it. They still have not grasped that FIBA isn't the NBA, and that you actually have to play defense in FIBA, and that you don't get gifted easy free trips to the foul line like in the NBA, and that the refs don't call every little touch a foul like in the NBA.

I actually laughed at the FIBA announcers saying something like, "for those of you who watch NBA and don't know the hand checking rules, in NBA if you touch a player with one hand, it's a foul. In FIBA, you have to put both your hands on a player, for it to be a foul. Just putting one hand on a player is not a foul."

It was almost like complaints were coming in live at the moment from USA/Canada like, "why are they not getting foul calls?"

So Canada either has to go from being soft, or they have to go Team USA's route and just force FIBA to call the games differently in their favor so that they have a chance to still compete (what USA did after 2006 - they have not figured anything out, they just made the refs give them special treatment in every game). Otherwise, USA still would have not one a tournament since 2000.

That's the reality Canada is facing. It's the reality of Stern's candy ass pussified soft as butter NBA. The players that grow up in USA/Canada basketball system are all so soft that they can't compete with international players at all.

The problem is, how is Canada's basketball federation going to force FIBA to ref them special like USA's basketball federation did? Unless the NBA demands FIBA to help them, but I think even FIBA has a point of toleration with the NBA's demands.

Canada needs to get some of their better players more schooled in good European leagues, rather than just everything being NCAA/NBA, if they really are serious about "winning medals in big tournaments" like they keep claiming they are.

They should look at Australia as a classic example. They used to send their best players to Europe, and most of them didn't even play in good leagues or teams. And this was only like 1/3 of their national team. But it made their national team very competitive.

Then they changed that philosophy to, "we have to focus on getting guys in the NCAA and then NBA if we want to win medals in big tournaments". Ever since they implemented that strategy, their national team has been getting progressively worse. It's not a coincidence. Because they have been getting softer and softer and worse and worse on defense and fundamentals.

Let me just explain the disconnect, post after post has been saying things like, "next year we should have only Heslip as our only non NBA player, and that's just because he's our designated shooter." As long as you think that way, Canada is going to be a soft team. Bank on it, because domestic NBA players are soft and even the non domestic NBA players end up not being able to play any defense a lot of the times as is proven at EuroBasket (most of them are the worst defenders of European basketball), and unless you are Team USA, that forces FIBA to give you special treatment from the refs, it is going to get exposed in FIBA that you are soft.

[NLZ]

You do realize that the Olympic qualification tournament is going to have some actual real competition in it, and not just crap teams from FIBA Americas?

From what I saw of Canada in this tournament, I can say that they are a talented team and a good and deep team also, but I have one word for them....

SOFT

Maybe next year they will be ready to beat a good European national team, bot no way is it happening now. Right now they are way too soft to do it. They still have not grasped that FIBA isn't the NBA, and that you actually have to play defense in FIBA, and that you don't get gifted easy free trips to the foul line like in the NBA, and that the refs don't call every little touch a foul like in the NBA.

I actually laughed at the FIBA announcers saying something like, "for those of you who watch NBA and don't know the hand checking rules, in NBA if you touch a player with one hand it's a foul. In FIBA you have to put both your hands on a player for it to be a foul. Just putting one hand on a player is not a foul."

It was almost like complaints were coming in live at the moment from USA/Canada like, "why are they not getting foul calls?"

So Canada either has to go from being soft, or they have to go Team USA's route and just force FIBA to call the game's differently in their favor so that they have a chance to still compete (what USA did after 2006). Otherwise USA still would have not one a tournament since 2000.

That's the reality Canada is facing. It's the reality if Stern's candy ass pussified soft as butter NBA. The players that grow up in USA/Canada basketball system are all so soft that they can't compete with international players at all.

The problem is, how is Canada's basketball federation going to force FIBA to ref them special like USA's basketball federation did? Unless the demands it to help them, but I think even FIBA has a point of toleration with the NBA's demands. So in other words, you're saying europeans contries are better at contact/being physical, whereas American countries are better at actually playing the game of basketball? okay.

[Euroleague]

So in other words, you're saying europeans contries are better at contact/being physical, whereas American countries are better at actually playing the game of basketball? okay.

I'm saying that the NBA is better at having refs decide who wins basketball games, and who gets to shoot the most free throws, while FIBA is simply for the most part, a basketball competition. Thus, it's something that is totally foreign to these domestic NBA players, and they can't really deal with it, when they are forced to face it in tough elimination games, or against serious teams.

Also, you fail at reading comprehension 101.

[LAZERUSS]

I'm saying that the NBA is better at having refs decide who wins basketball games, and who gets to shoot the most free throws, while FIBA is simply for the most part, a basketball competition. Thus, it's something that is totally foreign to these domestic NBA players, and they can't really deal with it, when they are forced to face it in tough elimination games, or against serious teams.

Also, you fail at reading comprehension 101.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You mean the "domestic NBA players" that have steam-rolled the rest of the world from 2008 on (when they have sent their mostly best players)?

Hell, even when they have played as poorly as possible, they won those "tough elimination games, and against serious teams." But, those close wins have been few-and-far-between. The vast majority have been one-sided blowouts.

[NLZ]

I'm saying that the NBA is better at having refs decide who wins basketball games, and who gets to shoot the most free throws, while FIBA is simply for the most part, a basketball competition. Thus, it's something that is totally foreign to these domestic NBA players, and they can't really deal with it, when they are forced to face it in tough elimination games, or against serious teams.

Also, you fail at reading comprehension 101.
So you're blaming NBA players for their rules/refs? They're superior BASKETBALL players, don't think anyone really cares who are most physical or play in the better officiated league.

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

You mean the "domestic NBA players" that have steam-rolled the rest of the world from 2008 on (when they have sent their mostly best players)?

Hell, even when they have played as poorly as possible, they won those "tough elimination games, and against serious teams." But, those close wins have been few-and-far-between. The vast majority have been one-sided blowouts.

Team USA always plays under NBA rules when they play in any international competition from 2007 onward.

FIBA changed that rule to help them compete. That's been discussed here about 20 times.

[LAZERUSS]

Team USA always plays under NBA rules when they play in any international competition from 2007 onward.

FIBA changed that rule to help them compete. That's been discussed here about 20 times.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yep. Of course, team USA actually sending some of their best players instead of either college players, or second tier NBA players (like the rest of the world sends to these events) might actually be the REAL reason why the US has not lost a game since, and in fact, has overwhelmed the rest of the world since then.

Give them an extra eight minutes to run the hell out of over-matched rosters, and the results would be an additional 10+ point margins.

[Euroleague]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Yep. Of course, team USA actually sending some of their best players instead of either college players, or second tier NBA players (like the rest of the world sends to these events) might actually be the REAL reason why the US has not lost a game since, and in fact, has overwhelmed the rest of the world since then.

Give them an extra eight minutes to run the hell out of over-matched rosters, and the results would be an additional 10+ point margins.

Gabepizza, get a new troll alias account. This one is compromised.

[LAZERUSS]

Gabepizza, get a new troll alias account. This one is compromised.

I have no idea who the hell Gabepizza is, but I will tell you this...if he is who you make him out to be...he must be a very knowledgable poster. Unlike yourself.

V-Span...pure shit in a REAL league.

[BurningHammer]

COJO FOR THE WIN! :banana: :banana: :banana:

WE DA BRONZE! :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Fudge]

Canadia.

Stays.

Winning.

Eat shit, Mexico.

[BurningHammer]

The last minutes were eerily similar to the game against Venezuela, but this time they hit the last shots that they suppose to.

Mexico did very well on their parts, with that big three-pointer, but they didn't manage the clock well enough.

[sportjames23]

Canadia.

Stays.

Winning.

Eat shit, Mexico.


My nikka Fudge is back! :cheers: :banana:

[Fudge]

My nikka Fudge is back! :cheers: :banana:
Feels good. :cheers:

This board badly needed me, fam.