Wade's 2009 season: Up there with some of MJ's best?

[catch24]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXR_EtkW0qw

By Jordan's best, I mean any of his seasons circa 87-93. And if so which? I remember doing various game-edits on here for those asking about Wade highlights, and during my editing, I don't think I've ever seen a player with more explosion to the basket than Wade that year. Dude looked like he was shot out of a canon. Just unstoppable to contain if he found a seam near the rim.

- awesome midrange
- awesome all-around play
- insane athleticism
- efficient
- dominant

Sorry about creating all these threads of late... Just happy to be back posting with y'all again :cheers:

[TheMarkMadsen]

this season by Wade was really great, at the time I thought he deserved MVP over Lebron

but damn does this season get overrated

[HighFlyer23]

Great season

But not as good as MJ's best

I'd even rank Lebrons 2009 higher when you factor in the post season

Kobe, Lebron and Wade all had monster seasons

[Wade's Rings]

If we're talking Regular Season on only then you could say it's up there but MJ is just better. If you factor in Post Season it's not close.

[plowking]

The only season where I understood the praise about his midrange game. The only time you could really call him a great midrange shooter.

Even as a Heat fan, whenever he simply shot average, I got excited since it opened his game up and made him seem more so of an unstoppable shooter than he actually is. But that was the only season his midrange was on point.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Same here - but overrated in what sense? I'm not trying to disrespect MJ or anything, I just personally think 2009 Wade is in that tier GOAT SGs, especially if we're talking about 80s MJ before he won his titles.

Look at his game against Chicago to end that season. Legit one of the greatest, individual regular-season performances I've seen.


Overrated because people try to claim it was as good as X player's best season when X's players best season ended while holding the NBA title/FMVP

Jordan's best seasons are seasons where he not only played great in the regular season but also dominated the post season, so no in the respect Wade's 09 season isn't even close to some of MJ's best..

if you want to talk purely regular season then that might be worth talking about, because it really was a great season..

but not an all time great season when you look at the big picture..

[Rocketswin2013]

He was pretty ridiculous. I'd say better than '87... Maybe '89?

'90, '91, and '93 are probably better.

[catch24]

The only season where I understood the praise about his midrange game. The only time you could really call him a great midrange shooter.

Even as a Heat fan, whenever he simply shot average, I got excited since it opened his game up and made him seem more so of an unstoppable shooter than he actually is. But that was the only season his midrange was on point.

Why do you think that is? Guy just didn't practice it any of the other seasons in the league?

That year he was unbelievable from ~12-18 ft. There was a game I posted years back when dude played the Lakers, and he was skinning Kobe alive from that area. His jab, first step, crossover...basically anywhere to get to his sweet spot, he got there. No exceptions.

Here is that game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAXYSj-iVxw

BTW, where do you rate that version of Wade on an all-time scale?

[Rocketswin2013]

If we're talking Regular Season on only then you could say it's up there but MJ is just better. If you factor in Post Season it's not close.
'87 Jordan didn't have a much better series than '09 Wade did, if at all.

[catch24]

Overrated because people try to claim it was as good as X player's best season when X's players best season ended while holding the NBA title/FMVP

Jordan's best seasons are seasons where he not only played great in the regular season but also dominated the post season, so no in the respect Wade's 09 season isn't even close to some of MJ's best..

if you want to talk purely regular season then that might be worth talking about, because it really was a great season..

but not an all time great season when you look at the big picture..

I deleted my post, because I'm not trying to get into an MJ vs Wade war. I definitely see where you're coming from though.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Maybe 1987, but I wouldn't go further than that.

1988-1993 MJ was definitively the better player, mostly because of postseason success (b2b 50 point games in one series...)

Wade was really good that year though. I've overrated that season in the past, but he was balling for sure.

[WayOfWade]

Dang, Wade's 2009 season is getting a lot of Airtime on ISH right now. I'm kind of skeptical about that though, there's no problem saying it's up there with MJ's best, but saying better would be going a little bit too far. I'm not really a pro as to knowing which season MJ was better in and worse in, but peak-wise MJ definetly had it better. In what area would Wade have been better in? Blocks maybe, perhaps steals although that's unlikely. PER? MJ has him beat there too. MJ to me just seems like a completly improved version of Dwyane Wade, and to an even further extent Kobe Bryant as well. I wonder why?

[lil jahlil]

It is a tremendous season, but no, not up with MJ's best. Up there with MJ's worst.

[plowking]

I honestly think Wade at his best impacted the game on the defensive end as well as Jordan, if not better at certain aspects.

It truly is remarkable how he was never given a nod to all NBA first team. He is one of the best defenders at the guard position ever. Dude is literally the ultimate team defender at the position.

[Vaniiiia]

Overrated because people try to claim it was as good as X player's best season when X's players best season ended while holding the NBA title/FMVP

Jordan's best seasons are seasons where he not only played great in the regular season but also dominated the post season, so no in the respect Wade's 09 season isn't even close to some of MJ's best..

if you want to talk purely regular season then that might be worth talking about, because it really was a great season..

but not an all time great season when you look at the big picture..
2006 kobe wasn't an all-time great season according to you.

The big picture is Wade had no where NEAR enough talent to compete for a title in 09, so bringing up the fact that he didn't win is completely irrelevant.

[ClipperRevival]

Wade in 2009 put up 30.2 ppg and 30.4 PER

MJ from 1984-1993 put up 32.3 ppg and 29.8 PER.

And I rank Wade as the 3rd best SG ever and there is a good gap between 1 and 3 in terms of consistent excellence. Wade's absolute peak is just another season for MJ.

[Smoke117]

this season by Wade was really great, at the time I thought he deserved MVP over Lebron

but damn does this season get overrated


Because it belittles your precious kobrick and shows how overrated he is? : ( Cry more.

[Coach Eddie]

MJ's best seasons were tops of all time. Wade was great, but not even a top 10 season.

[Young X]

It's up there with MJ's '87 season.

They're both similar in some ways...

- Monster raw numbers/high usage
- Tremendous effort on both ends
- Crazy block/steal numbers
- 1st All-NBA and 2nd All-D
- Carrying weak casts to low seeds then losing in the 1st round
- Top 3 MVP voting
- Around 30 PER

It's not on the same level as MJ's '88-'93 and '96 seasons but comparable/better than the others. Same thing with Kobe's '06 season.

[GrapeApe]

A bit off topic, but IMO '09 Wade had the best season ever for any player 6'4 or under (I also think he has a strong case as being the greatest 6'4 or under player ever). I don't think we've ever seen a player his size be that dominant on both ends. A 6'4 guard with over 100 blocks is pretty crazy, not to mention leading the league in scoring, being 7th in assists, 2nd in steals, and finishing 3rd in DPOY. Any way you slice it, that's a season for the ages. It shows how truly amazing Jordan was that he had multiple seasons of that caliber.

[Young X]

2009 was really a crazy year for elite players.

You had Lebron, Wade and CP3 having insane regular seasons. All 3 had +30 PER's which has never happened before.

You had Kobe having one of his best seasons leading a 65 win team and capping his great playoff run off with a championship/FMVP. Dwight winning DPOY and leading his team to the finals. Lebron leading that Cavs team to 66 wins and winning the MVP. Damn.

[ClipperRevival]

A bit off topic, but IMO '09 Wade had the best season ever for any player 6'4 or under (I also think he has a strong case as being the greatest 6'4 or under player ever). I don't think we've ever seen a player his size be that dominant on both ends. A 6'4 guard with over 100 blocks is pretty crazy, not to mention leading the league in scoring, being 7th in assists, 2nd in steals, and finishing 3rd in DPOY. Any way you slice it, that's a season for the ages. It shows how truly amazing Jordan was that he had multiple seasons of that caliber.

Good points. His blocks is a testament to his athleticism. MJ had a similiar stretch over a 3 year period when he averaged 1.5 bpg (1985-1987). But MJ had 2 inches in height.

[theaussieguy]

I don't care what people say, Wade is one of the best athletes to ever play, the way he moved man.

[HALLandOATES]

Wades 09' season and Brons 12' season are the best things since mj of any permetee player period.kobes 2006 season shouldn't get a mention and is a tick below since he didn't dominate defensivly like the former 2...

[Coach Eddie]

Wades 09' season and Brons 12' season are the best things since mj of any permetee player period.kobes 2006 season shouldn't get a mention and is a tick below since he didn't dominate defensivly like the former 2...
Looks about right.

[AnaheimLakers24]

1st round exit

[Dragonyeuw]

Honestly, as great as that season was, that would have been a pretty standard year for MJ between say 88 and 93. As in, that level of play was pretty much expected every year during MJ's prime.

[julizaver]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXR_EtkW0qw

By Jordan's best, I mean any of his seasons circa 87-93. And if so which? I remember doing various game-edits on here for those asking about Wade highlights, and during my editing, I don't think I've ever seen a player with more explosion to the basket than Wade that year. Dude looked like he was shot out of a canon. Just unstoppable to contain if he found a seam near the rim.

- awesome midrange
- awesome all-around play
- insane athleticism
- efficient
- dominant

Sorry about creating all these threads of late... Just happy to be back posting with y'all again :cheers:

I remember that Wade was injured in the previous season, but he came back for the Beijing Olympics in 2008. And suprisingly he was looking sharp, one of the best (if not the best) players in US team. It seems that the rest and following rehabilitation have made wonders for him. At the Olympics he was exploding near the rim with moves and dunks of his own. He followed this form in the reg. season and being generally healthy he had a career year.

But as good Wade was in 2009 his best year doesn't top MJs best. I personally likes Wade as a player and rated his peak (when healthy) over Bryant's peak. If I was a coach I would prefer more efficient prime and healthy Wade over volume high scoring Kobe.

[90sgoat]

Wade played a lot playing style wise like pre-retirement MJ. Always liked Wade's game with the drives and midrange. He really is more like young MJ than Kobe ever was.

It does prove how much of a joke Lebron's collusion was. We're talking about teaming up with a player one season removed from leading the league in scoring and having an MVP like season. This would quite literally be like if MJ teamed up with Charles Barkley in 1989 who was runner up MVP that year.

The cold hard fact, Lebron has NOT won a championship without a top 5 GOAT shooting guard, league leader in ppg, MVP caliber player.

Embarassing how NBA hyped this Karl Malone wannabe.

[plowking]

Wade played a lot playing style wise like pre-retirement MJ. Always liked Wade's game with the drives and midrange. He really is more like young MJ than Kobe ever was.

It does prove how much of a joke Lebron's collusion was. We're talking about teaming up with a player one season removed from leading the league in scoring and having an MVP like season. This would quite literally be like if MJ teamed up with Charles Barkley in 1989 who was runner up MVP that year.

The cold hard fact, Lebron has NOT won a championship without a top 5 GOAT shooting guard, league leader in ppg, MVP caliber player.

Embarassing how NBA hyped this Karl Malone wannabe.

Thanks for answering the question and not deviating at all. Going by your other posts, you clearly have nothing on your mind, and no agendas.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXR_EtkW0qw

By Jordan's best, I mean any of his seasons circa 87-93. And if so which? I remember doing various game-edits on here for those asking about Wade highlights, and during my editing, I don't think I've ever seen a player with more explosion to the basket than Wade that year. Dude looked like he was shot out of a canon. Just unstoppable to contain if he found a seam near the rim.

- awesome midrange
- awesome all-around play
- insane athleticism
- efficient
- dominant

Sorry about creating all these threads of late... Just happy to be back posting with y'all again :cheers:

:cheers:

but like you said (and plow, etc.), the majority of this place by now is shitty

[ArbitraryWater]

2009 was really a crazy year for elite players.

You had Lebron, Wade and CP3 having insane regular seasons. All 3 had +30 PER's which has never happened before.

You had Kobe having one of his best seasons leading a 65 win team and capping his great playoff run off with a championship/FMVP. Dwight winning DPOY and leading his team to the finals. Lebron leading that Cavs team to 66 wins and winning the MVP. Damn.

And PEAK DIRK who was likely the 2nd best playoff performer of all these guys!!

[Wade's Rings]

:cheers:

but like you said (and plow, etc.), the majority of this place by now is shitty

It was shitty when you joined in January of 2014.

[ArbitraryWater]

It was shitty when you joined in January of 2014.

true.. been since 2012 or so

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

No but up there with 2nd 3peat MJ

[Young X]

And PEAK DIRK who was likely the 2nd best playoff performer of all these guys!!You really feel like that was Dirk's peak? Even over '06 or '11?

[G-train]

Was definitely one of the best seasons I have witnessed in 30 years, pretty much on par individually with anyone.

[catch24]

Some of his best games from that season:

55pts vs Knicks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVrZ4AnPNM)
40 Pts, 11 Ast, 5 Blk vs Raptors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PU-yzRyiw)
Wade 48pts vs Bulls game-winner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_lN7n_foUI)
39pts vs Pistons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fb9yQNLAco)

Credit to GD highlights for putting these up recently. :applause:

[3ball]

If you look at the per 100 possession stats, it's clear that MJ had at least 8 seasons that are as good or better than Wade's 2009.

Wade's very best season was MJ's standard.

[GrapeApe]

If you look at the per 100 possession stats, it's clear that MJ had at least 8 seasons that are as good or better than Wade's 2009.

Wade's very best season was MJ's standard.

I don't know if I'd go quite that far. MJ didn't have 8 seasons of winning a scoring title, finishing top 10 in assists, and finishing top 3 in DPOY. Don't get me wrong, MJ did have multiple superior seasons, but 2009 Wade was right up there with a couple of MJ's MVP seasons.

[Wade's Rings]

Some of his best games from that season:

55pts vs Knicks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVrZ4AnPNM)
40 Pts, 11 Ast, 5 Blk vs Raptors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PU-yzRyiw)
Wade 48pts vs Bulls game-winner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_lN7n_foUI)
39pts vs Pistons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fb9yQNLAco)

Credit to GD highlights for putting these up recently. :applause:


Most Notable Games

55 points (66% / 50% from 3), 9 rebounds, 4 assists, win vs. New York (12th April)

50 points, 10 rebounds, 9 assists, 4 steals, 2 blocks, win vs. Utah (14th March)

50 points (57%), 5 rebounds, 5 assists - loss against. Orlando (22nd Feb)

48 points (71.4%), 6 rebounds, 12 assists, 4 steals, 3 blocks, win vs. Chicago (9th March)

46 / 8 / 10 in another win vs. NY (28th Feb)

42 points on 74% shooting in a win vs. Toronto (6th March)

31 points (55%), 7 rebounds, 16 assists in win vs. Detroit (24th Feb)

35 points (62%), 6 rebounds, 16 assists in win vs Phoenix (4th March)

Notable season statistics

18 games total with 10 or more assists.... impressive given his supporting cast.

5 games with 4 or 5 blocks, 4 of which were wins. 31 games with 2+ blocks.

32 games with 3+ steals

39 games with 30+ points

10 games where he shot 24+ points on > 60% shooting

43 games where he shot over 50% FG%

There was nobody in the NBA better from February 2009...

:bowdown:


Had a month stretch where he posted 37/6/10/3/1 shooting 55% :bowdown: :bowdown:

[3ball]

I don't know if I'd go quite that far. MJ didn't have 8 seasons of winning a scoring title, finishing top 10 in assists, and finishing top 3 in DPOY. Don't get me wrong, MJ did have multiple superior seasons, but 2009 Wade was right up there with a couple of MJ's MVP seasons.
Your criteria is YOUR criteria - who cares where someone places in the voting.

I can post the per 100 possession stats - MJ had 8+ season equal or better than Wade's 2009.
.

[WayOfWade]

Some of his best games from that season:

55pts vs Knicks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFVrZ4AnPNM)
40 Pts, 11 Ast, 5 Blk vs Raptors (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4PU-yzRyiw)
Wade 48pts vs Bulls game-winner (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_lN7n_foUI)
39pts vs Pistons (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Fb9yQNLAco)

Credit to GD highlights for putting these up recently. :applause:
Wow, some really incredible games. I had never seen the Pistons one before :cheers:
While it's great to see these videos, it's sad to not be able to see this explosive Wade anymore

[Wade's Rings]

Wow, some really incredible games. I had never seen the Pistons one before :cheers:
While it's great to see these videos, it's sad to not be able to see this explosive Wade anymore

You should subscribe to GD he's a big Wade fan and has a bunch of his great games and even has a few full series highlights.

[WayOfWade]

You should subscribe to GD he's a big Wade fan and has a bunch of his great games and even has a few full series highlights.
Yeah I've noticed that lately, I'll definetely have to subscribe, thanks for the advice!
:rockon:

[GrapeApe]

Your criteria is YOUR criteria - who cares where someone places in the voting.

I can post the per 100 possession stats - MJ had 8+ season equal or better than Wade's 2009.
.

So my criteria is wrong and yours is right? I've noticed whenever someone cites a fact, stat, etc... that you don't like your response is always "who cares". Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Who cares about per 100 posession stats. See, I can do that to. Also, I guess according to you MJ's DPOY is irrelevant. He finished first in the voting and after all, who cares where someone finishes in the voting? Right?

Keep talking about per 100 stats. Post them if you wish. It's irrelevant because it says nothing about how MJ compared to the rest of the league those years. My criteria of leading the league in scoring, finishing 7th in assists, and 3rd in DPOY shows a direct relation to the competition, which is a superior performance indicator than raw stats alone. But I'm sure you already knew that.