Will Stephen Curry not winning the FMVP hurt his legacy?

[keep-itreal]

Will it?

[AnaheimLakers24]

Why?

[GIF REACTION]

Who?

[leBron Bieber]

yes

[DukeDelonte13]

Iggy was very deserving of it. Clearly he was the best warrior on both ends throughout that series, but that was by design. Delly and Iman did really well against Curry and Klay.


I don't think it hurts his legacy because he isn't in the same category as guys who can will their team to victories ala Kobe or Jordan.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Just another loser with a championship and tons of money. I swear these NBA All-Star millionaires are pathetic. I'll donate a few coins to his change jar if I see him in the street.

[FKAri]

Just another loser with a championship and tons of money. I swear these NBA All-Star millionaires are pathetic. I'll donate a few coins to his change jar if I see him in the street.

I wouldn't. I would avoid eye contact and keep walking.

[ISHGoat]

What legacy?

[jlip]

Not winning the FMVP is really an argument people selectively use when comparing certain players. Usually those players are in the top 10 all time conversation.

[90sgoat]

I thought he was the Finals MVP though. He came up clutch late in games almost every time. Without his late game scoring they stand no chance. Who really fell through was Klay Thompson what a loser. Laying an egg Harden style.

Steph Curry with the game is played will have many more chances to win.

[Wally450]

Nah, he'll continue to break 3 pt records across the NBA and other NBA records probably. Possibly win another title or 2, but if he doesn't win a Finals MVP in either of those 2, then yea probably diminishes it a little.

[Legends66NBA7]

Nah.

He was the best player on the best team, along with a MVP trophy and setting the 3 point record in the regular season and playoffs. He's already probably considered the GOAT 3 point shooter. Barring any injuries, he should add more to his resume for another decade or so.

You think not winning a Finals MVP is going to effect that , especially considering he can certainly have an opportunity to do so in the future ? It would be worse for his legacy if he never won a chip at all.

[BoutPractice]

Sadly (because I really like him as a player) Iguodala is likely to be remembered as the answer to a trivia question.

Stephen Curry is pretty much a household name already, and he's only getting started… I'd imagine that when people bring up the 2015 championship Warriors in the future, the first player that comes to mind will be Steph.

[Kblaze8855]

On places like this. Not in the real world. nobody gives a shit.

[ralph_i_el]

I think most people understand that without the attention needed to cover Curry, the Warrior's offense couldn't have done the things it did.

He didn't produce as much as you'd expect from a FMVP, and Iggy did a great job of covering Bron. However, with the constant traps and double teams that Curry drew, it freed up the rest of the team for easy buckets. Iggy shot a lot of wide open J's, and had easy lanes to the rim.

[nathanjizzle]

what legacy

[DCL]

no

[Kblaze8855]

I think most people understand that without the attention needed to cover Curry, the Warrior's offense couldn't have done the things it did.

He didn't produce as much as you'd expect from a FMVP, and Iggy did a great job of covering Bron. However, with the constant traps and double teams that Curry drew, it freed up the rest of the team for easy buckets. Iggy shot a lot of wide open J's, and had easy lanes to the rim.


The way people talk you wouldnt think he put up 26/6/5/2 in the finals while going totally insane in several second halves. That dude was throwing up back breaking 3s and stepbacks the second half of the series.

Watch the second half highlights from some of those games. Like a 2 point game...Steph runs wild for 4 minutes...blowout.

[HurricaneKid]

Kerr said he thought Curry was MVP on a Lowe podcast. And he was.

It won't impact his legacy at all. Stuff like this is going to happen more and more as teams adjust their defenses more and more to disrupt the best offensive players on the opposing team.

[kennethgriffin]

duh

ofcourse it hurts


kobe with 5 titles and 5 finals mvps = #2 all time without an argument from anyone


just look at time duncan. he aint got sh*t on kobe individually or matchups wise in the playoffs..

but him having 5 titles with 3 fmvps puts him above kobe on some peoples lists


a fmvp is a big boost. you need atleast 2 of them to make the top 10 all time


so yes curry losing fmvp to iggy was a big hurdle he'l have to climb much the same way others have throughout history




kobe basically needed a top 10 all time resume WITHOUT shaq just to legitimize what he did WITH shaq

curry will need to win basically 3-4 titles now with atleast 2 of them being fmvp

[kennethgriffin]

The way people talk you wouldnt think he put up 26/6/5/2 in the finals while going totally insane in several second halves. That dude was throwing up back breaking 3s and stepbacks the second half of the series.

Watch the second half highlights from some of those games. Like a 2 point game...Steph runs wild for 4 minutes...blowout.


kobe averaged 25/8/6/1/1 in the 2001 finals

and 27/6/5/1/1 in the 2002 finals




this forum doesnt care what people do. just who got the award at the end of the finals...

[BoutPractice]

Except Steph didn't have a teammate averaging video game numbers by his side… He had the best stats on his team by far, as he improved on his regular season scoring average while his main sidekick on offense had a substandard series. If Klay had averaged 36 and 17 or whatever then it would've been a bit more comparable.

[juju151111]

Curry will be remembered has the face of the nba and best nba 3 point shooter ever. He will be ight and he was the #1 reason for the Warriors having the #1 offense. He garners the most attention in the entire league.

[kennethgriffin]

Except Steph didn't have a teammate averaging video game numbers by his side… He had the best stats on his team by far, as he improved on his regular season scoring average while his main sidekick on offense had a substandard series. If Klay had averaged 36 and 17 or whatever it was then yes it would've been comparable.


doesnt matter


numbers arent everything. a guy locking up the best player in the world ( making him shoot 27% beyond 5 feet ) is just as valuable as a guy averaging 30+


especially when that defender can put up around 20ppg himself at the same time

[BIG FURB]

kobe averaged 25/8/6/1/1 in the 2001 finals

and 27/6/5/1/1 in the 2002 finals




this forum doesnt care what people do. just who got the award at the end of the finals...

Which are great numbers but Shaq did what Shaq does and kobe has to take a back seat. Iggy got the mvp due to the great job he did on lebron, but by the time Curry hangs them up few will remember and no one will care that Iggy won that fmvp. Just like nobody cares that Tony Parker won that finals mvp, we all know who the real mvp of the spurs is

[Kobe_6/8]

It already has.

[kennethgriffin]

Which are great numbers but Shaq did what Shaq does and kobe has to take a back seat. Iggy got the mvp due to the great job he did on lebron, but by the time Curry hangs them up few will remember and no one will care that Iggy won that fmvp. Just like nobody cares that Tony Parker won that finals mvp, we all know who the real mvp of the spurs is


steph curry cant defend

defense wins championships




holding lebron to 27% beyond 5 feet ( 38% overall )

especially when lebrons jacking up 35 shots a game



that alone is worth a finals mvp.. forget the fact that the last 3 games in which iggy started he averaged 20/7/4/2



andre iguodala was infinitely more valuable to the warriors winning that series


6 more ppg by steph curry aint making up for iggy locking lebrons n*ts in a vice grip

[HOoopCityJones]

Nope.

[imdaman99]

No. He was good enough to win Finals MVP, even though I agree with Iggy winning it. Without Iggy, Warriors probably lose in 6.

[ralph_i_el]

steph curry cant defend

defense wins championships




holding lebron to 27% beyond 5 feet ( 38% overall )

especially when lebrons jacking up 35 shots a game



that alone is worth a finals mvp.. forget the fact that the last 3 games in which iggy started he averaged 20/7/4/2



andre iguodala was infinitely more valuable to the warriors winning that series


6 more ppg by steph curry aint making up for iggy locking lebrons n*ts in a vice grip
:facepalm
Iggy scored 20ppg on wide open shots and transition opportunities.


And how exactly does Tim Duncan "Not have shit on Kobe individually"?

Duncan has:
-never won less than 50 games (even in lockouts)
-been the central player of 5 championship wins
-had a higher career PER than Kobe
-SIGNIFICANTLY higher ws/48 than Kobe
-More MVP's than Kobe
-Has still remained an overwhelmingly positive impact even past his prime
-Is one of the few players to have ever led the league in Offensive win shares and defensive win shares. I'm pretty sure it's just Duncan, Kareem, Drob, and Wilt who have achieved this.
- Led the league in Drtg 4 times


Kobe in the playoffs for his career: 25.6 pts, 4.7 ast, 5.1 rbd on 54 TS%
Duncan: 21.2 pts, 11.7 rbd, 3.1ast with 54 TS% with a significantly higher PER and WS than Kobe


What Kobe has over Duncan:
-Points
-missing the playoffs

[BIG FURB]

steph curry cant defend

defense wins championships




holding lebron to 27% beyond 5 feet ( 38% overall )

especially when lebrons jacking up 35 shots a game



that alone is worth a finals mvp.. forget the fact that the last 3 games in which iggy started he averaged 20/7/4/2



andre iguodala was infinitely more valuable to the warriors winning that series


6 more ppg by steph curry aint making up for iggy locking lebrons n*ts in a vice grip

And again, by the end of their careers none of that will matter. We're talking legacy here. Curry's one of the faces of the league, Iggy's gonna be remembered as a solid player (despite the fct that he beasted in that finals). When it's all said and done people are just gonna look at the stats, watch highlight videos on youtube and their gonna think "damn, Curry was a beast" (biased by whatever ridiculousness he does over the second half of his career)

[sd3035]

When you are playing against Lebald in the Finals and your coach decides to go with single coverage, you're screwed out of a FMVP unless you're lucky enough to be matched up with him

[warriorfan]

The way people talk you wouldnt think he put up 26/6/5/2 in the finals while going totally insane in several second halves. That dude was throwing up back breaking 3s and stepbacks the second half of the series.

Watch the second half highlights from some of those games. Like a 2 point game...Steph runs wild for 4 minutes...blowout.

That sort of production while seeing the defensive attention that Curry did is amazing.

Iguodala played well but that series completely revolved around Curry.

People have already started to realize how ridiculous it was that Curry did not get the FMVP.

[Naero]

I respect Iggy and still value him as an integral contributor to that team, but this is the worst Finals MVP snub I've seen in ages.

Firstly, it's well-established that Stephen Curry was the leader of that team; I don't think any rationalist will deny it when he was MVP awardee without the second-best player on the team in Klay Thompson even whiffing serious MVP consideration.

With that being said, Final MVPs have customarily been awarded to the team-leader of the winning team unless they were severely outperformed by one of their collaborators; that was not even close to the case with Iggy. While the Warriors' MVP underperformed compared to his regular-season and Western Conference-playoffs level of play, which is mostly attributable to his Game 2 chokejob, he's still been the most consistent Warriors player series-round, and nothing Andre Iguodola did bumped up his level of play to another stratosphere as the team-leader (Curry).

Cross-compare the stats:

Curry: 26 PPG; 6.3 APG; 5.2 RPG; 1.8 SPG; 44.3% field-goal percentage; 38.5% three-point percentage.

Iguodala: 16.3 PPG; 5.8 RPG; 4 APG; 1.3 SPG; 52.1% field-goal percentage; 40% three-point percentage.

There must be some blind spots to those stats, correct? Yes, but contextualization of those stats actually favors Curry more than Iguodola.

Iguodala has the edge in TS% and much more surmounting with field-goal percentage, but what was the genesis to most of that scoring efficience? Wide-open looks that came off of Curry's (secondary) assists. Curry received by far the most attention out of any Warriors player, as the masterful ball-handler ran into double- and triple-teams as he underwent dribble-drive penetration, and as the footage illustrates, Iguodola was the recipient of many passes out of those traps.

The real lynchpin to Iguodala's case, however, was his defense on LeBron, most mesmerized for when he held LeBron to 20 points in Game 4 in the immediacy of his insertion to the starting lineup. He received the most credit for the mid-series turnaround; much of that is deserved, as he did a fantastic job on LeBron, who shot 39.9% for the series, but just because he got his team over the hump doesn't mean he was the most impactful in doing so.

It should also be contextualized that LeBron was rotationally defended by multiple defenders throughout the season, including DPoY runner-up Draymond Green. Even if you want to attribute all the defensive work on LeBron, how much does that outbalance the offensive productivity that was primarily instigated by Stephen Curry?

Curry had his slumpy stretches, but he was also the most consistent player in the fourth quarter—spearheading the run that nearly overcame the 20-point deficit the Warriors fell into in Game 3, stepping up in the fourth quarter and overtime of the series-opening win, and a legendary outburst in Game 5 to seal the pivotal win.

It's the recency phenomenon that won over Iguodala's MVP case more than it was his courtplay. After Curry screwed the pooch in Game 2, as well as Iguodala's insertion into the starting lineup that coincided with the series-turning win, the media was entrenched in voting for him as the Finals MVP if the Warriors were to finish the job, not to be dissuaded by Stephen Curry's legendary Game 5 performance and his all-around play. It's a testament to how commanding the media phenomena is.

Personally, Stephen Curry's legacy was still enhanced in my book; regardless of the Finals MVP debate, he was still their best player for the mass-majority of the season and thus the indisputable leader en route to the championship. Sadly, I feel that many superficialists will overlook it due to the face-value appeal of a Finals MVP.

[WayOfWade]

I personally won't hold it against him. Iggy was very deserving, and Steph did a good job regardless. We're it not for his MVP season, the Warriors never would've even sniffed the finals.

[NZStreetBaller]

it hurt scottie pippens legacy otherwise he'd be the goat. catch my drift?

[DoctorP]

It makes his legacy imperfect right off the bat but it's not a big deal at all. Next question.

[houston]

On places like this. Not in the real world. nobody gives a shit.


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[ekosky]

What legacy?
This.

[stalkerforlife]

He won the finals MVP.

The BS media award was a joke.

Real basketball gurus know AMC was the MVP.

[90sgoat]

I respect Iggy and still value him as an integral contributor to that team, but this is the worst Finals MVP snub I've seen in ages.

Yep, the MVP was clearly Curry's.

Then why give it to Iggy?

Because the NBA is fully committed to Lebron and if they let Steph win it, then Lebron would have had a horrible series against a 'role player'.

They give the MVP to Kawhi and Iggy so Lebron can save face, when in reality he was shut down by two above average role players.