Best shot blocking guard [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

juju151111

08-31-2015, 06:36 PM

What's so funny? MJ averaged 1.5 bpg over a 3 year period at his physical peak. His career bpg is .8 and Wade is at .9 and if Wade plays well into his 30's like MJ did, it will drop further.
People don't talk about Mj blocking ability so he probably ignorant to it. People don't realize Mj has multiple seasons of 100+ stls and blks. Mj versatility was insane and his motor at 24-27 was not human. Players might hit their peak at 27.30 but in terms of stamina/endurance mid twenties is ideal. Mj had enough in his tank to shot block.

ClipperRevival

08-31-2015, 06:42 PM

People don't talk about Mj blocking ability so he probably ignorant to it. People don't realize Mj has multiple seasons of 100+ stls and blks. Mj versatility was insane and his motor at 24-27 was not human. Players might hit their peak at 27.30 but in terms of stamina/endurance mid twenties is ideal. Mj had enough in his tank to shot block.

125 blks in 1987 and 131 blks in 1988. I don't know if that's a record for guards or not. He's also 5th all time in spg with 2.3.

raprap

08-31-2015, 06:44 PM

Wade.

Danny Green gaining ground tho. :oldlol:

ClipperRevival

08-31-2015, 06:45 PM

Wade's career high is 106. But in fairness to him, he is 2 inches shorter than MJ.

Crystallas

08-31-2015, 06:48 PM

Wade's career high is 106. But in fairness to him, he is 2 inches shorter than MJ.

Depends on which measurement you use. It's more accurate to say 1" and Wade has a 1" greater wingspan. SO really. it's still a fair comparison.

Marchesk

08-31-2015, 06:51 PM

125 blks in 1987 and 131 blks in 1988. I don't know if that's a record for guards or not. He's also 5th all time in spg with 2.3.

It is according to basketball reference. But I'd guess that Jerry West had more blocks in a season. He was averaging 0.7 at age 35 in 1973. But it was only a 31 game sample size. Don't know if any of the historians on this site have unofficial block counts for him from earlier seasons.

West was also averaging 2.6 steals at that age, which is damn impressive.

Jasper

08-31-2015, 07:50 PM

Sorry kids.

West, Jordan, Wade. In that order.
prancing prince ??

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/moncrsi01.html

only 39 high , but was def player of year with 39 season high

Dwade has had 109 in one year if I recall - -- -- > Dwade :applause:

Fallen Angel

08-31-2015, 08:00 PM

Career: Dwyane Wade

Peak: Michael Jordan

http://bkref.com/tiny/P2ldZ

WayOfWade

08-31-2015, 08:03 PM

Career: Dwyane Wade

Peak: Michael Jordan

http://bkref.com/tiny/P2ldZ
Correct!

WayOfWade

08-31-2015, 08:05 PM

But hey, let's not forget Vince Carter, he averaged 1.5 BPG his rookie, and averaged a solid block per game through the first 7 years of his career

OldSchoolBBall

08-31-2015, 08:57 PM

Not to say that Wade doesn't have a case, but zone has allowed him to rack up a ton of blocks he wouldn't have gotten otherwise because he can always hover around a play or close to the lane. Almost all of his "top 10 blocks" compilations show scenarios where his starting position would have been illegal under old rules. Jordan would feast in terms of blocks and steals under current rules and be even more disruptive than he was, since he had better instincts, was bigger/longer, and covered ground more quickly.

Spurs m8

08-31-2015, 09:06 PM

**** Wade

Cheers

DonDadda59

08-31-2015, 09:11 PM

But hey, let's not forget Vince Carter, he averaged 1.5 BPG his rookie, and averaged a solid block per game through the first 7 years of his career

Vince started out his career at SF.

Not to say that Wade doesn't have a case, but zone has allowed him to rack up a ton of blocks he wouldn't have gotten otherwise because he can always hover around a play or close to the lane. Almost all of his "top 10 blocks" compilations show scenarios where his starting position would have been illegal under old rules. Jordan would feast in terms of blocks and steals under current rules and be even more disruptive than he was, since he had better instincts, was bigger/longer, and covered ground more quickly.

Meh, Bulls played a shitload of actual zones despite the rules and MJ did more than his share of roaming. He got plenty of blocks and steals playing either in a team zone or as a one man hovering wrecking ball. He's still the first and only guard in league history to record 200 steals and 100 blocks in a season, he did it twice (pretty sure only Pippen and Hakeem have done it besides him at all, but don't quote me on that one).

It's really a toss up between Mike and Wade, but Flash = GOAT shot blocker under 6'6".

iamgine

08-31-2015, 10:28 PM

The correct answer, unfortunately, is K.J. Mcdaniels.

Averaging 1.1 block per game in only 22 minutes.

http://thumb.usatodaysportsimages.com/image/thumb/650-510nw/8186379.jpg

305Baller

08-31-2015, 10:29 PM

Wade. next question.

Fire Colangelo

08-31-2015, 10:58 PM

It is according to basketball reference. But I'd guess that Jerry West had more blocks in a season. He was averaging 0.7 at age 35 in 1973. But it was only a 31 game sample size. Don't know if any of the historians on this site have unofficial block counts for him from earlier seasons.

West was also averaging 2.6 steals at that age, which is damn impressive.

Is there any footage of Jerry West dunking?

If so, please link.

WayOfWade

08-31-2015, 11:09 PM

The correct answer, unfortunately, is K.J. Mcdaniels.

Averaging 1.1 block per game in only 22 minutes.

http://thumb.usatodaysportsimages.com/image/thumb/650-510nw/8186379.jpg
I need to see him play more than 30 mpg and block at that rate over the length of his career for me to consider him better than Wade or MJ. Not to diminish 1.1 blocks in 22 minutes, that is incredible, but one season does not make you the best at anything.

305Baller

08-31-2015, 11:16 PM

Apparently S. Moncrief was pretty good...

SamuraiSWISH

09-01-2015, 12:16 AM

Wade and Jordan are the best I've seen.

iamgine

09-01-2015, 12:23 AM

I need to see him play more than 30 mpg and block at that rate over the length of his career for me to consider him better than Wade or MJ. Not to diminish 1.1 blocks in 22 minutes, that is incredible, but one season does not make you the best at anything.
His rate is so much superior that why would he even need this arbitrary 30 mpg when he's proven he could block 1.3 shots in 25 minutes? Regardless of how the rest of his career goes, '15 KJ Mcdaniels is the best shotblocking guard of all time.

GrapeApe

09-01-2015, 01:08 AM

MJ and Wade are neck and neck in this department, but Wade is definitely the best I've ever seen at blocking players that are much taller than him. Prime Wade would routinely deny PF's and C's at the rim. I've never seen a perimeter player go after bigs the way he did. Of all the impressive highlight videos of Wade, his shot blocking compilations may be my favorite.

Rocketswin2013

09-01-2015, 01:23 AM

Asukal

09-01-2015, 01:36 AM

It is according to basketball reference. But I'd guess that Jerry West had more blocks in a season. He was averaging 0.7 at age 35 in 1973. But it was only a 31 game sample size. Don't know if any of the historians on this site have unofficial block counts for him from earlier seasons.

West was also averaging 2.6 steals at that age, which is damn impressive.

And loseruss said, wilt had shitty team mates. :rolleyes:

Marchesk

09-01-2015, 01:40 AM

McDaniels does have some incredible block highlights.

plowking

09-01-2015, 01:58 AM

McDaniels does have some incredible block highlights.

Don't you have a story about some unknown player called Whitey Willowby, who played in 1.6cm thick converse shoes, who averaged 2bpg in 1963 and could touch the top of the backboard on a Tuesday?

I always love hearing about them.

SHAQisGOAT

09-01-2015, 03:04 AM

I'd say it's pretty much a wash between Wade and Jordan...

Apparently S. Moncrief was pretty good...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ADAo3W4Hos&t=1m14s
He was good enough but, in that department, someone like Michael Cooper was considerably better.
Coop being one of the greatest though.

Prime Dennis Johnson before he got heavier, older, and just less athletic was also a beast at it; dude had the fundamentals, the timing, and was a very good leaper with them rocket-launcher legs...
In 1979 he averaged 1.2 blocks per game playing 34 MPG; had 2.2 BPG in the Finals, think it's still a record for a guard in a championship series.

Iceman Gervin also one of the best of them, and West. You got Reggie Lewis, T-Mac (if considered more of a SG), David Thompson, Carter...
You got Danny Green, Brandon Rush, Bledsoe... right now.

The correct answer, unfortunately, is K.J. Mcdaniels.

Averaging 1.1 block per game in only 22 minutes.

If he keeps that up throughout his career while playing more minutes... he's definitely gonna be at the very top in terms of shot-blocking guards.

Marchesk

09-01-2015, 04:05 AM

Don't you have a story about some unknown player called Whitey Willowby, who played in 1.6cm thick converse shoes, who averaged 2bpg in 1963 and could touch the top of the backboard on a Tuesday?

I always love hearing about them.

Sure, but Cavs won't release the film to the public. It's sped up and everything, but he's holding onto it. Will release mixed with exclusive highlights of Wilt's 100 point game.

There is this photo of him clearly touching the top of the backboard:

http://nbahoopsonline.com/Articles/top160/photos/JimPollard.jpg

aj1987

09-01-2015, 09:34 AM

I don't think it's fair to include players like Daniels and Green. Those guys never came or are gonna come close to having the scoring and playmaking duties of MJ/Wade.

MJ is probably the GOAT shot blocking guard. It's actually a tossup between him and Wade.

ralph_i_el

09-01-2015, 09:39 AM

right now John Wall has to be up there. He's usually around 1 per game for his career.

Wade was a beast. But he has the wingspan of a much taller man.

edit: just realized Wall's block numbers fell off last year

f0und

09-01-2015, 10:19 AM

NBAplayoffs2001

09-01-2015, 10:34 AM

Wade and MJ are neck and neck. If we are considered their statures, Wade's more impressive by a bit.

NBAplayoffs2001

09-01-2015, 10:35 AM

I still don't get why Sixers got rid of McDaniels. He was one of the best draft steals in recent memory. Dude has game. Yeah, he probably won't average more than 10 points a game but having a dude on your team who can average 1-2 blocks off the bench at the SG position is pretty crazy and definitely something that will keep him in the league for awhile.

90sgoat

09-01-2015, 11:25 AM

I don't have a problem with Wade taking that title. Wade is one of the best small guys to play big ever on offense and defense.

OldSchoolBBall

09-01-2015, 01:20 PM

jordan had more blocks and bigger career highs, but ive never seen jordan be the rim protector that wade was. its amazing seeing someone 6'4 sitting under the rim, sizing up someone 6'10 charging to the basket, and meeting him at the top to deny the dunk. wade did that better than any guard ive ever seen.

he has about 150-ish blocks on players 6'10 and taller. im not positive, but i think thats a record for guards.

Jordan certainly blocked his share of PF's/C's at the rim, but the reason Wade does it frequently is because zone rules allow him to be in and near the paint way more than Jordan was. You can look at any of his block highlight videos and see this - it's not like dude is covering vast distances or his instincts are better. He's a few feet away and has the timing and the balls to challenge.

Dr Hawk

09-01-2015, 01:50 PM

Sure, but Cavs won't release the film to the public. It's sped up and everything, but he's holding onto it. Will release mixed with exclusive highlights of Wilt's 100 point game.

There is this photo of him clearly touching the top of the backboard:

http://nbahoopsonline.com/Articles/top160/photos/JimPollard.jpg

What the......

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

jayfan

09-01-2015, 02:18 PM

I don't think it's fair to include players like Daniels and Green. Those guys never came or are gonna come close to having the scoring and playmaking duties of MJ/Wade.

What does that have to do with it? [nothing]. Neither did Rodman; does that disqualify him from consideration for goat rebounder?

It's a defensive stat.

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Megabox!

09-01-2015, 03:33 PM

Wade :applause:

aj1987

09-01-2015, 03:52 PM

What does that have to do with it? [nothing]. Neither did Rodman; does that disqualify him from consideration for goat rebounder?

It's a defensive stat.

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Yep. Not disagreeing with anyone. Just saying that players who carried offenses are not the best comparison to players, who solely rely on defense (or sort).

Yeah, they did absolutely murder the competition, when it comes to blocking though. :applause:

Spurs5Rings2014

09-03-2015, 02:33 PM

I don't think it's fair to include players like Daniels and Green. Those guys never came or are gonna come close to having the scoring and playmaking duties of MJ/Wade.

Take it easy. Disrespectful as hell coming at the 3-point finals record holder like that. I predict him taking a big leap this next season on our way to a chip.

:coleman:

TheMarkMadsen

09-03-2015, 03:13 PM

Kobe averaged 2 blocks per game during a championship run..

also averaged over a block per game during the 3peat..

aj1987

09-03-2015, 03:15 PM

Take it easy. Disrespectful as hell coming at the 3-point finals record holder like that. I predict him taking a big leap this next season on our way to a chip.

:coleman:
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

Kobe averaged 2 blocks per game during a championship run..

also averaged over a block per game during the 3peat..
Kobe's not even in the conversation. FOH, dude.

sd3035

09-03-2015, 04:23 PM

gotta go with D-Whistle on this one

AirFederer

09-03-2015, 04:27 PM

Wade (blocking big men like a center)
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MJ
West

JimmyMcAdocious

09-03-2015, 06:46 PM

I don't know. What Green did in Game 7 against the Clips is good as anything I've ever seen from MJ or Wade. Dude flying around blocking every player, including completely stuffing Blake 2 or 3 times. That one he had in the 4th quarter around the free throw line was ridiculous. He also cleanly stripped Bron a few times on his solo fastbreaks, which practically no player does. I realize doesn't count as blocks, but it's mighty impressive nonetheless. Statistically he hasn't been lower than 3rd for SG blocks since his first full season for the Spurs. Many of those seasons playing like 22-26 mpg.

I'm more curious about PG shot blockers. I know Wall is up there.