Underrated and Overrated NBA Players

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Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone

Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon

[mehyaM24]

i'm undecided about hakeem

1993-1995 was his league imo. people confuse his peak for 1994 and 1995, but they forget about the 1993 season. hakeem did everything that year as well, winning big games, while playing epic on the big stage. in the regular season, hakeem averaged 26 PTS /13 REB /4 AST /4 BLK on 53% FG. in the playoffs overall, hakeem averaged an insane 26/14/5/5 on great efficiency.

he was also second in MVP voting. above jordan, and should have been MVP - but was without question, arguably the best player in the league.

but aside from that, hakeem had seasons where he left a lot on the table.


tim duncan is MASSIVELY overrated though. good call. at their very best, i feel that david robinson was. better during his peak and prime. duncan hasn't even been the best player on his team, for years now, yet that 2014 title somehow indoctrinated him into "top 5" status.

lol

he's a top 10 player, but nowhere near 5. shaq, hakeem and even wilt are better.

[robby712]

Overrated: Malone,Russell,Nash,Melo,Dirk.
Underrated:Wade,Duncan,Mchale,Isiah Thomas.
How is Duncan overrated? He is praised as a team player and as a solid rock for the Spurs to build around him,
but people can't see past the fact that he is "boring". He isn't praised as an individual as he should be. He was 39 this year and was the best player for SA in the Clippers series.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I would add Dirk and KG to the underrated list.

Not sure I would put Blake in there just yet, but Duncan and Barkley are spot on.

[gcvbcat]

Overrated - abdul, hakeem, shakeel, kg

Underrated- DRob, stockton, malone, kemp, gp, pippen, ewing

[GIF REACTION]

Malone has to be underrated

2 Decades of dominance, Record points holder, 2 MVPs in the period of Jordan, In any other period of time he would have won a ring... That Chicago team was just too deep. 3 Finals appearances... Integral team player type. GOAT conditioning and work ethic. That was the difference between his career and Barkley's.

[Young X]

Chauncey Billups is ridiculously underrated. He was extremely efficient and consistent and seemingly made the teams he was on instantly better.

Alot of people don't even remember he was once a top 5 MVP candidate (in '06 right behind Kobe). He has 7 all star selections, 1 All NBA 2nd team selection, 2 All NBA 3rd team selections and 2 All defensive 2nd team selections.

People IMO weigh team success too heavily when looking at individuals but if you're one of those guys you're looking at a player who has a ring, FMVP and made the conference finals 7 straight times, finals twice.

I have no idea why he isn't mentioned more when talking about the greatest PG's in history.

[rmt]

Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone

Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon

I think I'll trust the words of the man who's coached him for over 18 years:

One last Q&A with Gregg Popovich

Anything surprise you about the season?

“As far as players are concerned I don’t know if it’s quite a surprise but I continue to be amazed by Tim Duncan. He was our most consistent player in the playoffs, at 39. He needed a little more help and I feel badly he didn’t get it. It wasn’t for lack of trying.

“To watch him is pretty spectacular, in itself. Even our players shake their heads at his performance at both ends of the floor. He wants it badly and does it the right way. It’s not about bells and whistles and grunting and dancing and doing commercials and all of that stuff. He just does it quietly and that’s why we feel badly when we don’t get it done for him.”


2015 Playoffs
Duncan 17.9 pts / 11.1 rebs / 3.3 asst / 1.4 blk 58.9%

He did that damage in 35.7 minutes per game, proving he's still the centerpiece of San Antonio's relentless accomplishment. Time hasn't slowed Duncan by most meaningful metrics. It's only highlighted the extent to which he remains the thread that ties everything else together. The numbers have been pretty conclusive too. One way or another, this has been Duncan's team since 1997.

As ESPN's Marc Stein noted in June 2014, Buford once famously said, "The truth is we all work for Timmy."

Former Spur and current Spurs television analyst Sean Elliott elaborated on that sentiment.

"We all see it R.C.'s way," he told Stein. "We're not dumb. We all know we wouldn't have any rings without Timmy. Everybody understands that. We all feel like we're working for Timmy.

"We joke about it, but I think the organization feels that way because he's such a special talent. They've been trying to surround him with the right group ever since they got him. They're always working for him."

[Rocketswin2013]

Bird is overrated. O'Neal is overrated in an unconventional way.

[ImKobe]

2015 Playoffs
Duncan 17.9 pts / 11.1 rebs / 3.3 asst / 1.4 blk 58.9%

I think I'll trust the words of the man who's coached him for over 18 years:

One last Q&A with Gregg Popovich

Anything surprise you about the season?

“As far as players are concerned I don’t know if it’s quite a surprise but I continue to be amazed by Tim Duncan. He was our most consistent player in the playoffs, at 39. He needed a little more help and I feel badly he didn’t get it. It wasn’t for lack of trying.

“To watch him is pretty spectacular, in itself. Even our players shake their heads at his performance at both ends of the floor. He wants it badly and does it the right way. It’s not about bells and whistles and grunting and dancing and doing commercials and all of that stuff. He just does it quietly and that’s why we feel badly when we don’t get it done for him.”

Duncan is a very consistent player, but he's lucky to be playing in an era where there's little to no toughness in the low post...compare today's big men to the 90s/early 2000s.... It also helps that he is a very smart player and that he plays on a team with a lot of weapons, thus opposing teams don't game plan to stop him. He knows how to get his points with the least amount of effort.

With that being said, Duncan is one of the more underrated players in NBA history, to me he is the best big man of all-time after Kareem in terms of accomplishments and longetivity.


Bird is overrated. O'Neal is overrated in an unconventional way.

Bird to me is rather underrated these days, because people say that he wouldn't be able to play at a high level in today's league, which apparently is that much more athletic, when in reality he would be even better, considering all the extra spacing and no handchecking, 3pt happy offenses which would complement his shooting ability, he was a very skilled player. He would drop 50-60 points just to prove a point and he was a gifted playmaker.

Shaq only gets overrated by Kobe haters.

[HighFlyer23]

Duncan is overrated

Hakeem becoming underrated

[mehyaM24]

“As far as players are concerned I don’t know if it’s quite a surprise but I continue to be amazed by Tim Duncan."

i love when people quote popovich, the guy that mentored duncan and ingrained him into his system.


its like, why would he have anything bad to say about him? :oldlol:

[BoutPractice]

I second Chauncey Billups. In fact most of the 2004 Pistons starting five is underrated: Richard Hamilton in particular (no one talks about him anymore, even though he was the leading scorer on a championship team…) but also to some extent, Ben Wallace and Tayshaun Prince. Rasheed Wallace I'd say is neither under nor overrated.

Other players from the post Jordan era most that are underrated imo would be:

- Jermaine O'Neal. 6 time all-star, 3 time all-NBA team, top 5 in MVP voting in 2004. Seems to have been largely forgotten.

- Vince Carter. For some reason people have elevated Tracy McGrady to the rank of "might've been GOAT" (on the strength of one season) while Vince Carter is primarily remembered as the gold standard for dunking. In fact their body of work outside of that one season is quite comparable, for example Vince is an 8 time all-star to TMac's 7 (fewer all-NBA teams though)… he also was a more efficient shooter, and did make it past the first round (several times in fact, including a run of 30 ppg and another of 27 ppg). He certainly wasn't as talented as his cousin, but in terms of actual effectiveness on the court he wasn't that far behind…

- Elton Brand. Averaged 20 and 10 more times than I can remember, including a 25 and 10 season where he was an MVP candidate. Oh, and he somehow made the Clippers relevant. He even had them reach game 7 of the second round… which to this day is still the best the Clippers have done. (One day, Chris. One day.)

- Chris Webber. Out-of-this-world basketball talent (those passes…). 5 time all-star. Best player on what could've been (many say "should've been" a championship team. Seems to have dropped from the PF conversation due to the dominance of Duncan, KG and Dirk.

- Peja Stojakovic. 3 time all-star, one time NBA candidate. One of the great sharpshooters… More versatile than given credit for (he would occasionally play lockdown defense in the fourth quarter of an important game, leaving you to wonder why he hadn't done it before)

Also Amar'e, Iso Joe, Michael Redd and Andrei Kirilenko…

[hateraid]

I'm opening a can of worms here but Michael Jordan is the most overrated player of all-time. I'll admit he's arguably the greatest player of all-time, but he more than any other player in NBA history, and probably of any sport for that matter, has the biggest fanbase that actually believe Jordan is >>>>>>>>>than the next player in league history. Not just at shooting guard, or even guard, PLAYER.
It's the only fanbase that would take something arguable and proclaim it definitive.

[ArbitraryWater]

Duncan for me is definitely overrated.. used to be the end of top 10, now since 2013, people have him top 5 and what not.. I don't just say it because his rep has changed, I legit feel he doesn't deserve to be that high.

[hateraid]

The most underrated player of all-time I would say is Dr.J. Most people who have witnessed him play would rank him as high as top 5-10 players of all-time. The greatest player in his era including over Oscar or Kareem. The modern fan is subjective to stats and since Dr.J played the prime of his career in the ABA, which he dominated, It hurt him. The greatest player to play in the ABA, yet some would rank Pippen higher. The modern fan considers him in the 15-25 range. Most Historians consider him better than Bird.

[nathanjizzle]

Underrated poster

Gif soup.

[ClipperRevival]

Some underrated guys.

Sidney Moncrief - At his peak (1982 - 1986, 5 years), he averaged 21.0 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 4.7 apg along with giving you all-time great defense from the SG position.

Kevin Johnson - At his peak (1989 - 1994, 6 years), he averaged 20.4 ppg and 10.5 apg. One of the most athletic small men ever and could get to the rack at will.

Alex English - At his peak (1982 - 1989, 8 years), he averaged 27.3 ppg on .512%. One of the most underrated scorers ever.

[ArbitraryWater]

The most underrated player of all-time I would say is Dr.J. Most people who have witnessed him play would rank him as high as top 5-10 players of all-time. The greatest player in his era including over Oscar or Kareem. The modern fan is subjective to stats and since Dr.J played the prime of his career in the ABA, which he dominated, It hurt him. The greatest player to play in the ABA, yet some would rank Pippen higher. The modern fan considers him in the 15-25 range. Most Historians consider him better than Bird.

thats because at the time he played, he was a top 5-10 player.. same with guys from Russell's era who think he's GOAT.. its just normal that better players come along, but people from that era may not always adapt that way.

[ClipperRevival]

I think Duncan is underrated. Almost a legit 7 footer that provided great rim protection and could carry an offense on his back. Back to the basket game AND a face up game. He could do it all. Not to mention the longevity. He was willing to play 2nd fiddle without hesitation. That versatility allowed the Spurs to stay relevant for almost 15 years. You can argue that Duncan is close to a top 5 player if you look at his body of work.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm opening a can of worms here but Michael Jordan is the most overrated player of all-time. I'll admit he's arguably the greatest player of all-time, but he more than any other player in NBA history, and probably of any sport for that matter, has the biggest fanbase that actually believe Jordan is >>>>>>>>>than the next player in league history. Not just at shooting guard, or even guard, PLAYER.
It's the only fanbase that would take something arguable and proclaim it definitive.

He was the truth. We might NEVER see another one like him. He just might be the GOAT for eternity. It's going to take someone really, really special to dethrone him.

[GrapeApe]

The most underrated player of all-time I would say is Dr.J. Most people who have witnessed him play would rank him as high as top 5-10 players of all-time. The greatest player in his era including over Oscar or Kareem. The modern fan is subjective to stats and since Dr.J played the prime of his career in the ABA, which he dominated, It hurt him. The greatest player to play in the ABA, yet some would rank Pippen higher. The modern fan considers him in the 15-25 range. Most Historians consider him better than Bird.

Good call, though I disagree with your last sentence. Dr. J was a transcendent player who often gets overlooked.

[Young X]

Westbrook is a little overrated to me.

He's not efficient at all but still uses a crazy amount of possessions and plays with 0 control especially late in games. He's shot below league average in every season of his career while shooting more than his own teammate who is one of the greatest scorers of all time. For a "PG" that's ridiculous.

He's also always at the top of the league in turnovers, ignores his teammates at times and isn't as great defensively as his reputation.

Saying all this, he's still a terrific player and definitely one of the best in the league because of the constant pressure he puts on defenses. He does alot of the shit Iverson got shitted on for but even AI didn't do it playing alongside someone like Durant. When AI played with Melo his shot attempts decreased and efficiency increased significantly.

[ClipperRevival]

Westbrook is a little overrated to me.

He's not efficient at all but still uses a crazy amount of possessions and plays with 0 control especially late in games. He's shot below league average in every season of his career while shooting more than his own teammate who is one of the greatest scorers of all time. For a "PG" that's ridiculous.

He's also always at the top of the league in turnovers, ignores his teammates at times and isn't as great defensively as his reputation.

Saying all this, he's still a terrific player and definitely one of the best in the league because of the constant pressure he puts on defenses. He does alot of the shit Iverson got shitted on for but even AI didn't do it playing alongside someone like Durant. When AI played with Melo his shot attempts decreased and efficiency increased significantly.

Agreed. There is a right way and wrong way to play the game as a superstar if you want to win. Westbrook played like a guy playing on a team .500 team last year. You don't win championships with such heavy usage.

He will have to find the right balance between scoring and getting teammates involved in order to give his team the best chance to win. He's no doubt a special player though.

[rmt]

I'm opening a can of worms here but Michael Jordan is the most overrated player of all-time. I'll admit he's arguably the greatest player of all-time, but he more than any other player in NBA history, and probably of any sport for that matter, has the biggest fanbase that actually believe Jordan is >>>>>>>>>than the next player in league history. Not just at shooting guard, or even guard, PLAYER.
It's the only fanbase that would take something arguable and proclaim it definitive.

Sorry, but it's not just his fan base but people like me, who disliked MJ intensely, who think he is indisputably GOAT. Can't say I think much of his personality (his HOF speech, especially when compared to DRob, Sloan, Stockton, showed what a narcissist he is), but IMO he is inarguably the GOAT. He (and everyone on the court) knew that he would find a way to win. I have not seen that will to win (and ability to back it up) in anybody in sport, much less basketball.

[Marchesk]

Dr J is underrated because of the ABA and the arrival of Magic/Bird and then Mike stole some of his thunder.

If he had been born a few years later and had come straight into the NBA instead of the ABA, he probably would be considered top 10 instead of 10-15.

No freaking way Pippen has a case over Erving.

Mocrief is also a bit underrated because injuries and his prime being early 80s.

[Marchesk]

Also, Moses Malone is underrated. Dude has 3 MVPs. Was a beast in the late 70s and early 80s.

It's funny how Dr J, Kareem and Moses were the best players in the early 80s, yet Magic and Bird get all the credit.

[hateraid]

Sorry, but it's not just his fan base but people like me, who disliked MJ intensely, who think he is indisputably GOAT. Can't say I think much of his personality (his HOF speech, especially when compared to DRob, Sloan, Stockton, showed what a narcissist he is), but IMO he is inarguably the GOAT. He (and everyone on the court) knew that he would find a way to win. I have not seen that will to win (and ability to back it up) in anybody in sport, much less basketball.

See these 2 words don't go together.
opinion = subjective
inarguably = definitive

This I why I find people who support this notion a bit delusional because something that is subjective cannot be definitive, yet will argue that it is. I support anyone who can accept that this is opinion. Jordan supporters however cannot submit to this idea, making them the most off based fan base in all of sports.
People in hockey who support Gretzky are more subjective, in where I think there is a more clear cut case to GOAT for their sport.

[ISHGoat]

See these 2 words don't go together.
opinion = subjective
inarguably = definitive

This I why I find people who support this notion a bit delusional because something that is subjective cannot be definitive, yet will argue that it is. I support anyone who can accept that this is opinion. Jordan supporters however cannot submit to this idea, making them the most off based fan base in all of sports.
People in hockey who support Gretzky are more subjective, in where I think there is a more clear cut case to GOAT for their sport.


It makes sense to me. I think he means that in his opinion it is not arguable that he is the GOAT. It makes sense, but his opinion happens to be retarded because these kind of things are always arguable.

[hateraid]

It makes sense to me. I think he means that in his opinion it is not arguable that he is the GOAT. It makes sense, but his opinion happens to be retarded because these kind of things are always arguable.

An opinion can't be inarguable because it's an opinion. Facts are inarguable. Anyone claiming a single person is the greatest in their sport is not a definitive fact.
If I said Federer is the GOAT tennis player, or Gretzky is the GOAT Hockey player, or Pele is the GOAT soccer player I would be called delusional, although there are many cases to support those claims. Opinions are never facts is where I'm going with this

[rmt]

Some Rafa fans say that Nadal is the GOAT because of his head-to-head vs Fed - that Fed can't be GOAT because of the matchup record, but if you look at Fed's body of work - nobody compares to it. Same with Gretzsky. I would add that it's the same with MJ. Look, nobody's got a perfect record/career - everyone's got holes. Looking at the usual suspects, is there anyone whose career stacks up against MJ's? When you look at individual stats, team accomplishments, peak, records, etc. - I don't see anyone.

I also feel that beyond the accomplishments, MJ had that mental edge that no one (I've seen since 1977) had. Not Federer, Borg, Sampras, Gretzky, Magic, Bird, Lebron. The closest I've seen is probably Usain Bolt (no knock against my fellow Jamaican) but what a cocky character - not that he doesn't back it up.

Anyway, my ORIGINAL point to the poster I quoted was that it's not just the Jordan fan base (of which I am definitely not one of) that thinks MJ is so great.

[KnittingRyu]

Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone

Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon

Malone - Rated fine
AI -Rated fine
Webber - Rated fine (talented but an underachiever)
CP3 - Seems rated fine by most, but there is a fraction that underrates him for not getting deep in the playoffs and unfairly view him as a chucker
Cousins -Slightly underrated
David Robinson - Rated fine. Most view him below Shaq/Duncan and above Ewing, which is where he belongs.
Moses - Potentially the most underrated star of all time

Charles Barkley - Rated fine
Kevin Garnett - Rated fine by most. Underrated by a small group, and overrated by a small group
Tim Duncan - Rated fine
Blake Griffin - Rated fine by about 50% of people, overrated a lot by the other 50%
Hakeem Olajuwon - Rated fine

[hateraid]

Some Rafa fans say that Nadal is the GOAT because of his head-to-head vs Fed - that Fed can't be GOAT because of the matchup record, but if you look at Fed's body of work - nobody compares to it. Same with Gretzsky. I would add that it's the same with MJ. Look, nobody's got a perfect record/career - everyone's got holes. Looking at the usual suspects, is there anyone whose career stacks up against MJ's? When you look at individual stats, team accomplishments, peak, records, etc. - I don't see anyone.

I also feel that beyond the accomplishments, MJ had that mental edge that no one (I've seen since 1977) had. Not Federer, Borg, Sampras, Gretzky, Magic, Bird, Lebron. The closest I've seen is probably Usain Bolt (no knock against my fellow Jamaican) but what a cocky character - not that he doesn't back it up.
That was actually besides the point, but you inadvertently helped illustrate my comments by agreeing with me.
My Original Post:If I said Federer is the GOAT tennis player, or Gretzky is the GOAT Hockey player, or Pele is the GOAT soccer player I would be called delusional, although there are many cases to support those claims
You summarized my point to the T. Thanks for making my statement much more clear


Anyway, my ORIGINAL point to the poster I quoted was that it's not just the Jordan fan base (of which I am definitely not one of) that thinks MJ is so great.
Nice try at a deflection, but it's the same laundry different pile. I see your schtick and it's to try and emphasize the idea by claiming to be a fan of the opposite. Like those posters who say " Brady is the greatest, and I'm a Manning fan!"
You support that idea. It doesn't matter if you dislike the person or not.

[Megabox!]

You can add MJ to the list of overrated players. Yes he's the GOAT but reading most of the posts here or on any type of social media you would believe the man never had a bad game in his life.

[midatlantic09]

Overrated: Duncan, Bird

Underrated: Cousins, Barkley

[HylianNightmare]

Anthony johnson

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Eddy curry is underrated

[Coach Eddie]

Overrated:
Cousins

Underrated:
Marc Gasol

[90sgoat]

Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone

Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon

Charles Barkley is UNDERRATED. Charles is one of the most skilled, most unique players ever. He is almost, just missing by a hair, in his peak on Jordan/Bird/Magic level and its mostly because of his lazy ass personality.

Tim Duncan is vastly underrated, the Bill Russel of our time. Hakeem is judged about right.

CWebb is overrated, soft and played too far from the basket to matter. Talented yes, but too soft, which brings me to KG who might possibly the most overrated player ever. The advanced stats do NOT support claims of his great defence.

I also think Chris Paul is wildly overrated, I'd pick Tim Hardaway, Mark Price, Stockton (obviously), KJ, many others above him. Dribbles way too much,

[SpecialQue]

Underrated: Kobe
Overrated: Lebron

[T_L_P]

Current players*

Overrated:

LaMarcus Aldridge
Brook Lopez
Marc Gasol
Pau Gasol
DeAndre Jordan
Andrew Wiggins
Russell Westbrook



Underrated:

Tyson Chandler
Timofey Mozgov
Derrick Favors
Markief Morris
Danny Green
George Hill

[Round Mound]

Charles Barkley Is The Most Underrated Player Of His Generation. Stastically Broken Down He Is a Top 10 Player of All Time. He is The Elgin Baylor of The Modern Era Of The NBA.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Iverson is disgustingly underrated by the stat nerds that roam the basketball internetz today

[TheMarkMadsen]

Tim Duncan is vastly underrated, the Bill Russel of our time. Hakeem is judged about right.


Bill Russell won like what 9 rings in a row (albeit in a joke of an era)

Tim Ducan has never won b2b, only made b2b finals once in his career and it wasn't a star



I also think Chris Paul is wildly overrated, Dribbles way too much

spot fuccing on with this though

[Kobe_6/8]

Westbrook is a little overrated to me.

He's not efficient at all but still uses a crazy amount of possessions and plays with 0 control especially late in games. He's shot below league average in every season of his career while shooting more than his own teammate who is one of the greatest scorers of all time. For a "PG" that's Alpha.

He's also always at the top of the league in turnovers, ignores his teammates at times and isn't as great defensively as his reputation.

Saying all this, he's still a terrific player and definitely one of the best in the league because of the constant pressure he puts on defenses. He does alot of the shit Iverson got shitted on for but even AI didn't do it playing alongside someone like Durant. When AI played with Melo his shot attempts decreased and efficiency increased significantly.


Fixed that for you.

[RidonKs]

wouldn't all of these lists be more accurate if the titles were changed to

Players I Overrate

Players I Underrate

[k0kakw0rld]

Underrated:
Karl Malone
Allen Iverson
Chris Webber
Chris Paul
DeMarcus Cousins
David Robinson
Moses Malone

Overrated:
Charles Barkley
Kevin Garnett
Tim Duncan
Blake Griffin
Hakeem Olajuwon
Fraud lists

First of all no way in hell Iverson is underrated, probably one of the most overrated player ever. Overrated Barkley? KG and Timmy D? What kind of Crack are you taking? :biggums:

[iTare]

Crawford. Both ways.

[Bawkish]

You can add MJ to the list of overrated players. Yes he's the GOAT but reading most of the posts here or on any type of social media you would believe the man never had a bad game in his life.

a bad game for MJ is most likely better than most average NBA players can achieve

[GoSpursGo1984]

Bill Russell won like what 9 rings in a row (albeit in a joke of an era)

Tim Ducan has never won b2b, only made b2b finals once in his career and it wasn't a star




spot fuccing on with this though

He still won 5 Championships so what if they were not back to back? I do not understand this obsession with back to back championships at the end of the day the number of titles does not change wither you won back to back or one now and one 15 years later.

[rmt]

Nice try at a deflection, but it's the same laundry different pile. I see your schtick and it's to try and emphasize the idea by claiming to be a fan of the opposite. Like those posters who say " Brady is the greatest, and I'm a Manning fan!"
You support that idea. It doesn't matter if you dislike the person or not.

Are you saying that I'm pretending to not be a fan of MJ when I am? Am I hearing you right? Hard to tell sometimes with the internet. If so, you couldn't be more wrong on who I'm a fan of - I've got thousands of posts on Spurs topics to prove it.

[gcvbcat]

Some Rafa fans say that Nadal is the GOAT because of his head-to-head vs Fed - that Fed can't be GOAT because of the matchup record, but if you look at Fed's body of work - nobody compares to it. Same with Gretzsky. I would add that it's the same with MJ. Look, nobody's got a perfect record/career - everyone's got holes. Looking at the usual suspects, is there anyone whose career stacks up against MJ's? When you look at individual stats, team accomplishments, peak, records, etc. - I don't see anyone.

I also feel that beyond the accomplishments, MJ had that mental edge that no one (I've seen since 1977) had. Not Federer, Borg, Sampras, Gretzky, Magic, Bird, Lebron. The closest I've seen is probably Usain Bolt (no knock against my fellow Jamaican) but what a cocky character - not that he doesn't back it up.

Anyway, my ORIGINAL point to the poster I quoted was that it's not just the Jordan fan base (of which I am definitely not one of) that thinks MJ is so great.

Sampras was kind of crazy, some of his match wins are absolutley unreal, 95 AO vs Jim, 96 USO QF Corretja, Davis Cup vs Chesnokov, 2000 Wimby....he was so pissed at fed winning so much in 2000s that he even contemplated a come back...greatest tennis player by miles though, fed is lucky he Pete never got a rematch for his Wimby loss when he was still playing.

Also, Carl Lewis was kind of crazy, his golds in 92 & 96 are unbelievable.

Gatlin is a fukking beta though.

[hateraid]

Are you saying that I'm pretending to not be a fan of MJ when I am? Am I hearing you right? Hard to tell sometimes with the internet. If so, you couldn't be more wrong on who I'm a fan of - I've got thousands of posts on Spurs topics to prove it.
Are you trying to insinuate that because you're not from Chicago that makes you automatically not a Jordan fan? That is a pretty narrow statement considering all the Jordan stans all over North America. You realize you are allowed to be a fan of both right? In any case I was not implying you are not a Spurs fan.
What I was implying is that saying your not a fan to emphasize your point about Jordan is a transparent tactic.

[90sgoat]

Iverson is disgustingly underrated by the stat nerds that roam the basketball internetz today

He is overrated in some ways and underrated in others.

Overrated as a player, no player should ever lead a team shooting sub .400, no excuses, that is horrible.

Underrated for potential. The guy could have been GOAT point guard had he focused on his playmaking and running the break. Such a damn shame he went full chuck mode. When he passed the ball and played smart he was a much better player.

[Megabox!]

a bad game for MJ is most likely better than most average NBA players can achieve
Same thing can be said for any all time great player honestly.

[rmt]

Are you trying to insinuate that because you're not from Chicago that makes you automatically not a Jordan fan? That is a pretty narrow statement considering all the Jordan stans all over North America. You realize you are allowed to be a fan of both right? In any case I was not implying you are not a Spurs fan.
What I was implying is that saying your not a fan to emphasize your point about Jordan is a transparent tactic.

I'm not insinuating anything especially since I'm a Spurs fan who lives in Miami. I repeat - I'm not a MJ fan, never have been, never will be - but I know what I lived through/watched and as you can see by the endorsement money he still makes, MJ has left an imprint on the NBA like no one else.

[riseagainst]

Underrated: Kobe
Overrated: Lebron

:lol

[sd3035]

Overated: Lebaldo and CP0

Underrated: Durant and Pippen

[hateraid]

I'm not insinuating anything especially since I'm a Spurs fan who lives in Miami. I repeat - I'm not a MJ fan, never have been, never will be - but I know what I lived through/watched and as you can see by the endorsement money he still makes, MJ has left an imprint on the NBA like no one else.

I'm going to break it down for you since you seem to not be grasping what I'm trying to say and are going in circles. There are TWO distinctly separate points here that I'm trying to clarify.

1- Your comment is geared towards saying since your a Spurs fan that makes you not a Jordan fan. The point I was trying take is that being a fan of another player/team does not make you exclusively a Jordan hater. Capiche? I'm from Philly. We have more reason to hate Jordan than Spurs fans and there are plenty of Jordan stans here. So you statement is pretty much a myth
On to point 2, so get point 1 out the way
2- Saying things like "so and so is GOAT, and I'm not even a fan of so and so" is something people say to try and sound impactful but is very transparent. I think Magic is GOAT, and I'm from Philly. See what I did there? Just because you're not a fan does not mean we have to take your word for it.