Hi.Big time Kobe fan here but is his drop off the biggest ever in NBA history?

[Hit_Em]

Going from the best player in the league in 07-08(When D Wade got hurt and before LeBron passed him Kobe was the best for 1 whole year) to roughly around the 100th best player in league?Usually people retire before they take this big of a hit.

EDIT: When I think about it kobe is #2 to KG's drop off

[Vaniiiia]

Not like that was 7 years ago or anything you clown.

I guess he's not 35 and not coming off torn achilles, fractured leg, bruised ego, and a huge reality check.

[Mr. Jabbar]

im a huge fan of op but his lack of all-around talent and legendary ph.aggotry make him a prime candidate for perma ban.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe was:


#10 in 1999
#8 in 2000
#2 in 2001
#3 in 2002
#2 in 2003
#4 in 2004 ( shoulder injury, knee injury )
#4 in 2005 ( recovering )
#1 in 2006
#1 in 2007
#1 in 2008
#1 in 2009
#1 in 2010 ( tied with lebron )
#5 in 2011 ( hurt knee )
#4 in 2012
#3 in 2013


this is his elite timeline






whatever happens since the achilles is a product of a career ending injury

not worth comparing

[ClipperRevival]

kobe was:


#10 in 1999
#8 in 2000
#2 in 2001
#3 in 2002
#2 in 2003
#4 in 2004 ( shoulder injury, knee injury )
#4 in 2005 ( recovering )
#1 in 2006
#1 in 2007
#1 in 2008
#1 in 2009
#1 in 2010 ( tied with lebron )
#5 in 2011 ( hurt knee )
#4 in 2012
#3 in 2013


this is his elite timeline






whatever happens since the achilles is a product of a career ending injury

not worth comparing

Kobe wasn't even a top 3 player by 2010. Makes me question if you even watched the team during that time. Well, you are a Kobe homer so even if the slippage was obvious, you didn't even notice it. Bron's PER was a historical 31.1 that season. Kobe's was almost a whole 10 points lower at 21.9. But more importantly, 2010 was the first season he really slowed down on the defensive end. And he wasn't as explosive, even compared to 2009.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe wasn't even a top 3 player by 2010. Makes me question if you even watched the team during that time. Well, you are a Kobe homer so even if the slippage was obvious, you didn't even notice it. Bron's PER was a historical 31.1 that season. Kobe's was almost a whole 10 points lower at 21.9. But more importantly, 2010 was the first season he really slowed down on the defensive end. And he wasn't as explosive, even compared to 2009.



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[SouBeachTalents]

kobe was:


#10 in 1999
#8 in 2000
#2 in 2001
#3 in 2002
#2 in 2003
#4 in 2004 ( shoulder injury, knee injury )
#4 in 2005 ( recovering )
#1 in 2006
#1 in 2007
#1 in 2008
#1 in 2009
#1 in 2010 ( tied with lebron )
#5 in 2011 ( hurt knee )
#4 in 2012
#3 in 2013


this is his elite timeline






whatever happens since the achilles is a product of a career ending injury

not worth comparing

Besides '08, every other year you put Kobe as #1 is debatable. You could argue Wade for '06, a number of players in '07, LeBron & Wade in '09, and LeBron in '10

[kennethgriffin]

Besides '08, every other year you put Kobe as #1 is debatable. You could argue Wade for '06, a number of players in '07, LeBron & Wade in '09, and LeBron in '10


see.. heres the thing. kobe was like a point off from wade. but wade was gunning while kobe was sacrificing


anyone with a brain knows kobe on a team like wade in 2009 will put up 33-35ppg

and kobe can drop 60 any given night even while sharing the spotlight. while wades never done it. not even on a gunning team going nowhere


my rankings are based on level of play. not stats

but skills/capability

[MP.Trey]

Iverson bruh.

[20Four]

Going from the best player in the league in 07-08(When D Wade got hurt and before LeBron passed him Kobe was the best for 1 whole year) to roughly around the 100th best player in league?Usually people retire before they take this big of a hit.

EDIT: When I think about it kobe is #2 to KG's drop off
Reported


And...

Rent free

Jameer or JT123 stop it already....

[SexSymbol]

Kobe wasn't even a top 3 player by 2010. Makes me question if you even watched the team during that time. Well, you are a Kobe homer so even if the slippage was obvious, you didn't even notice it. Bron's PER was a historical 31.1 that season. Kobe's was almost a whole 10 points lower at 21.9. But more importantly, 2010 was the first season he really slowed down on the defensive end. And he wasn't as explosive, even compared to 2009.

What a retard, watch the 2010 playoffs.

[SexSymbol]

Besides '08, every other year you put Kobe as #1 is debatable. You could argue Wade for '06, a number of players in '07, LeBron & Wade in '09, and LeBron in '10
It's definitely not debatable in 09 or 10 lol, the vast majority had him as consensus number one after lebron choked two years in a row and Wade was just a no show in the big stages of the playoffs

[Bankaii]

It's definitely not debatable in 09 or 10 lol, the vast majority had him as consensus number one after lebron choked two years in a row and Wade was just a no show in the big stages of the playoffs
Who was the best player in the league in 2006?

[Wade's Rings]

It's definitely not debatable in 09 or 10 lol, the vast majority had him as consensus number one after lebron choked two years in a row and Wade was just a no show in the big stages of the playoffs

Wade put up 33/6/7/2/1.5 shooting 56% in the 2010 Playoffs :kobe:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe wasn't even a top 3 player by 2010. Makes me question if you even watched the team during that time. Well, you are a Kobe homer so even if the slippage was obvious, you didn't even notice it. Bron's PER was a historical 31.1 that season. Kobe's was almost a whole 10 points lower at 21.9. But more importantly, 2010 was the first season he really slowed down on the defensive end. And he wasn't as explosive, even compared to 2009.

:lol

this moron

gtfo here with that PER bullshit, PER is the same stat that ranks chris paul, wade, pettit, neil johnston and david robinson over Magic, KAJ, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem etc etc.. :lol

29/6/6 on 57% TS through the playoffs while leading his team to a championship

b2b series of 32/4/6 on 60% TS and 34/7/8 on 64% TS

lead his team to an nba chamionship, FMVP

"not top 3 player"

...

[Wade's Rings]

:lol

this moron

gtfo here with that PER bullshit, PER is the same stat that ranks chris paul, wade, pettit, neil johnston and david robinson over Magic, KAJ, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem etc etc.. :lol

29/6/6 on 57% TS

b2b series of 32/4/6 on 60% TS and 34/7/8 on 64% TS

lead his team to an nba chamionship, FMVP

"not top 3 player"

...

I don't see nothing wrong.

PER is stupid on the real though

[TheMarkMadsen]

the double standard here is hilarious

"wade has an argument over Kobe in 06 because he won a title/FVMP and Kobe was just putting up monster stats on a mediocre team"


"wade has an argument over Kobe in 09 because he was putting up monster stats on a mediocre team even though Kobe won a title/FMVP"

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

I don't see nothing wrong.

PER is stupid on the real though


:cheers: :cheers:

[NBAplayoffs2001]

kobe was:


#10 in 1999
#8 in 2000
#2 in 2001
#3 in 2002
#2 in 2003
#4 in 2004 ( shoulder injury, knee injury )
#4 in 2005 ( recovering )
#1 in 2006
#1 in 2007
#1 in 2008
#1 in 2009
#1 in 2010 ( tied with lebron )
#5 in 2011 ( hurt knee )
#4 in 2012
#3 in 2013


this is his elite timeline






whatever happens since the achilles is a product of a career ending injury

not worth comparing

Besides KG, a lot of elite players had a down year in 2004.

[Naero]

Everyone who's played years longer than they should with debilitating injuries has had a dramatic drop-off; it's just that Kobe tends to spring to mind to younger fans of the game due to the recency effect. :confusedshrug:

Kobe has had far from the biggest drop-off, and much of that is attributable to the fact that many players have had a higher peak than Kobe; look at Wizards Jordan compared to his peak, for example:

Michael Jordan (1988-89): 32.5 PPG on 53.8% field-goal percentage; 8 APG; 8 RPG; 2.9 SPG.

Wizards Jordan (cumulative): 21.2 PPG on 43.1% field-goal percentage; 5.9 RPG; 4.4 APG; 1.5 SPG.

As great as Kobe's longevity has been to stay vaulted in the top-5 player-rankings for nearly a decade, while also being the clear-cut BITW for a few years, his peak hasn't been as lofty as many players while his longevity has still been respectable; as such, there hasn't been as high of a ceiling to drop from, and there hasn't been as low of a floor to drop to due to his ability to sustain a high level of play for so long.

Regardless, nothing Kobe does at this age will take a hit on his legacy. It'll supplement bonus points into his legacy if he can sustain a high level of play, as it lends into longevity and demonstrates that he can perform at a higher level than most would at that age; otherwise, it doesn't detract away from his career, as anyone with their GM-thinking caps on knows that one's peak/prime tends to outbalance longevity.

[LAZERUSS]

From 2006 thru 2010, Kobe was arguably the best player in the world.

[Springsteen]

Looking back on Kobe's post-achilles performances as a drop-off isn't really fair for that exact reason: the Achilles injury.

People forget how hard Kobe was balling to get the Lakers into the playoffs before it happened. The "Amnesty" game. The Brooklyn Nets dunk.

Truth be told, if that freak accident never happened the Lakers would be at least twice as competitive as they are now.

[Bankaii]

From 2006 thru 2010, Kobe was arguably the best player in the world.
Can't have it both ways.
Either Wade was better in 06 because of winning the ring and dominant finals.
Or Lebron was better in 09 and '10 because of superior stats and MVPs.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Can't have it both ways.
Either Wade was better in 06 because of winning the ring and dominant finals.
Or Lebron was better in 09 and '10 because of superior stats and MVPs.

I never got this notion.

You and people subscribing to this logic assume they're all equal players, as is, without any of the said accomplishments.

Truth is you can make cases for all 3 players certain years, regardless of the hardware.

[Wade's Rings]

Can't have it both ways.
Either Wade was better in 06 because of winning the ring and dominant finals.
Or Lebron was better in 09 and '10 because of superior stats and MVPs.

In another thread you were saying the 2006 Finals was one of the most rigged series of All-Time: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11684380&postcount=134 & you said Wade can't win a ring without the refs help: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11684566&postcount=141 but now you're calling Wade's Finals Dominant so it can suit your Anti-Kobe Agenda :oldlol:

[Bankaii]

In another thread you were saying the 2006 Finals was one of the most rigged series of All-Time: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11684380&postcount=134 & you said Wade can't win a ring without the refs help: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11684566&postcount=141 but now you're calling Wade's Finals Dominant so it can suit your Anti-Kobe Agenda :oldlol:
My goodness you care about me this much?
Are you some Kobetard or something?
Wade put up 35/8 on good efficiency, red help or not that's dominant. Or course that series was rigged as hell.
Were Kobe and Shaq not dominant in the 2002 WCF even tho that series was rigged?
I've noticed you jump to conclusions due to bad reading comprehension.
Hop off Bruh, still using the same smileys.

[KnittingRyu]

Kobe wasn't even a top 3 player by 2010. Makes me question if you even watched the team during that time. Well, you are a Kobe homer so even if the slippage was obvious, you didn't even notice it. Bron's PER was a historical 31.1 that season. Kobe's was almost a whole 10 points lower at 21.9. But more importantly, 2010 was the first season he really slowed down on the defensive end. And he wasn't as explosive, even compared to 2009.

The sad thing is those rankings were generally inflated by Kenneth as usual and he still wasn't the best once he started winning chips without Shaq.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

HUGE Laker fan here but Kobe is exceptionally overrated.

[RoundMoundOfReb]

From 2006 thru 2008, Kobe was arguably the best player in the world.
Fixed

[HOoopCityJones]

:lol

this moron

gtfo here with that PER bullshit, PER is the same stat that ranks chris paul, wade, pettit, neil johnston and david robinson over Magic, KAJ, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem etc etc.. :lol

29/6/6 on 57% TS through the playoffs while leading his team to a championship

b2b series of 32/4/6 on 60% TS and 34/7/8 on 64% TS

lead his team to an nba chamionship, FMVP

"not top 3 player"

...


Never knew Clippersfan was that much of a blind Kobe hater.

[KembaWalker]

I've never seen anything more beta then Bron stans pretending to be Kobe stans, and Kobe stans pretending to be Bron stans

[BigBoss]

He averaged 22/5/5 last year :roll: .

[Mr Feeny]

What a retard, watch the 2010 playoffs.

He did. And he probably saw 6/24 in the biggest game of the season.
He's right tbf. Lebron, Wade and Chris Paul were all leaps and bounds ahead of him. :lebronamazed:

[Mr Feeny]

He averaged 22/5/5 last year :roll: .

How did he shoot :lebronamazed:

[Dragonyeuw]

Have you seen KG? His counterpart in Duncan is still a key piece for the Spurs, while KG basically fell off the face of the earth the last few seasons.

[HOoopCityJones]

How did he shoot :lebronamazed:

Heard Wyoming is next on Kobe's rape radar, better clinch them cheeks thot.

[Mr Feeny]

Heard Wyoming is next on Kobe's rape radar, better clinch them cheeks thot.

So u admit that he's he's a racist :lebronamazed:

[You Cant Ban Me]

So u admit that he's he's a racist :lebronamazed:
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[KembaWalker]

http://imageshack.us/a/img839/1465/124uf02.png

Don't remember giving you permission to post in here my b*tch, you don't wanna get banned again do you

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[ClipperRevival]

What a retard, watch the 2010 playoffs.

Who the best player is in a given year is very subjective. You can go with the star who won it all that year (Kobe) or go with the guy who was more impactful that year (Bron).

I went to almost every Laker playoff game in 2009 and 2010 and watched like 85% of the regular season games in those seasons so don't tell me I didn't watch.

What I noticed from Kobe in 2010 is a small but noticeable drop in his legs and explosion, which affected him on both ends. He was still great, just not as impactful as 2009. That was the first year he looked like he lost a step in terms of explosion.

[ImKobe]

Going from the best player in the league in 07-08(When D Wade got hurt and before LeBron passed him Kobe was the best for 1 whole year) to roughly around the 100th best player in league?Usually people retire before they take this big of a hit.

EDIT: When I think about it kobe is #2 to KG's drop off

He was a top 1-5 player from 00-13, that's 14 seasons of consistency with all those great Playoff runs. The drop off had nothing to do with his age, he was unfortunate to suffer one of the worst injuries any athlete could have, followed by a broken knee and a torn rotator cuff..

KG just got old, if Kobe could just stay on the court, he'd still be a top 20 player at worst.

[Wade's Rings]

My goodness you care about me this much?
Are you some Kobetard or something?
Wade put up 35/8 on good efficiency, red help or not that's dominant. Or course that series was rigged as hell.
Were Kobe and Shaq not dominant in the 2002 WCF even tho that series was rigged?

I'm just pointing out your contradictions. You bring up his 35pts but you wouldn't the refs have helped him get his 35pts? :confusedshrug:

Kobe was good/great that series but I wouldn't say Dominant.


I've noticed you jump to conclusions due to bad reading comprehension.

Funny how you say this yet in the other thread you constantly put words in my mouth :oldlol:


Hop off Bruh, still using the same smileys.

:oldlol: Excuse me for finding your stupidity funny and using the smileys the site provided.

[Psileas]

Because he went from arguably #1 to what he's now in 7 whole years? Are you kidding, this is like half the career of lots of players. How about 1998 Jordan vs 2005 Jordan? 1999 Malone vs 2006 Malone? 1995 Hakeem vs 2002 Hakeem?

Not even a top-100 (or even much lower) drop off. Actually, a way above the average drop off, considering the age.

[I<3NBA]

Arenas

[West-Side]

:lol

this moron

gtfo here with that PER bullshit, PER is the same stat that ranks chris paul, wade, pettit, neil johnston and david robinson over Magic, KAJ, Bird, Duncan, Hakeem etc etc.. :lol

29/6/6 on 57% TS through the playoffs while leading his team to a championship

b2b series of 32/4/6 on 60% TS and 34/7/8 on 64% TS

lead his team to an nba chamionship, FMVP

"not top 3 player"

...

He's on my ignore list for a reason, what a borderline retard, seriously.

[West-Side]

Because he went from arguably #1 to what he's now in 7 whole years? Are you kidding, this is like half the career of lots of players. How about 1998 Jordan vs 2005 Jordan? 1999 Malone vs 2006 Malone? 1995 Hakeem vs 2002 Hakeem?

Not even a top-100 (or even much lower) drop off. Actually, a way above the average drop off, considering the age.

:applause:

[ImKobe]

Can't have it both ways.
Either Wade was better in 06 because of winning the ring and dominant finals.
Or Lebron was better in 09 and '10 because of superior stats and MVPs.

he said arguably, as in you can make a case for him, which shouldn't be disputed...just as Lebron and Wade were arguably the best players during those years, there isn't a definitive answer.

[Papaya Petee]

the double standard here is hilarious

"wade has an argument over Kobe in 06 because he won a title/FVMP and Kobe was just putting up monster stats on a mediocre team"


"wade has an argument over Kobe in 09 because he was putting up monster stats on a mediocre team even though Kobe won a title/FMVP"

:oldlol: :oldlol:
Exactly, therefore Kobe was either the best in 06 or 09, but not BOTH years.

Thanks for playing.

[knicksman]

I dont know. Kobes dropoff is just from 7 to 5 compared to brans 6 to 2