What are some of the most efficient performances you've seen from guards?

[TemporaMutantur]

Here are some that come to mind for me:

I'm mostly going by a PPS (points per shot) basis. (Total Points/Shot Attempts)

Chris Paul: 38 points on 14 shots (2.71 PPS) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN23kf3nOpg)

Goran Dragic: 34 points on 13 shots (2.62 PPS) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO2TRXdKLlc)

What are some others you can recall?

[Natureland]

I was watching back the 2012 WCF a while ago and Harden did 30 points on 13 shots (2.31 PPS)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUwGK1yi-Es

[sd3035]

Although not as high pps, I think Kyrie killing San Antonio was much more impressive. He was taking tough shots and he had a fg/ft ratio of more than 3 to 1

[qrich]

From memory, he was a bit more efficient, but going to give Mike Taylor some love anyway.

35 on 14-20 off the bench (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO9sRTHxdiE)

[Dr Seuss]

matt banes, 24 pts on 7 for 7 shooting (5 for 5 from 3) to go along with 7 boards and 6 assists in only 24 minutes

[TemporaMutantur]

Although not as high pps, I think Kyrie killing San Antonio was much more impressive. He was taking tough shots and he had a fg/ft ratio of more than 3 to 1


Yeah, I mean, the kid had two 37 point games last season on 12-18 shooting. And the SA game was beautiful. I'm still startled on how he managed to not touch the three point line during his 3 pointer that sent the game into OT, he must have been a fraction of a cm off.

Free throws play a large role in determining PPS. Ha, for instance Dwight Howard's 39 FT game would be misleading, which is kind of why I wanted to narrow it down to guards.

[sd3035]

Yeah, I mean, the kid had two 37 point games last season on 12-18 shooting. And the SA game was beautiful. I'm still startled on how he managed to not touch the three point line during his 3 pointer that sent the game into OT, he must have been a fraction of a cm off.

Free throws play a large role in determining PPS. Ha, for instance Dwight Howard's 39 FT game would be misleading, which is kind of why I wanted to narrow it down to guards.

I think TS% is better than PPS

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYYXL1Z1NEc

[PJR]

Wade during the entire 2006 Eastern Conference Finals.

[GrapeApe]

Wade during the entire 2006 Eastern Conference Finals.

27 ppg on .617 FG% & .684 TS% against one of the league's top defenses.

:bowdown:

[warriorfan]

Alpha Male Curry Game 3 WCF @ HOU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upRXZWyGEj0

40 points, 19 shots

63% FG

.855 TS%

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Gil dropped 46 on the Knicks on 16 shots.
13-16 from the field, 7-10 from 3. 13-14 from the line. 30 minutes.

[Fallen Angel]

James Harden:

45 points on 18 shots (2.5 PPS) vs. Indiana

[GIF REACTION]

Zero
Votes
Curry

[GIF REACTION]

Demarcus Cousins vs LA

49 points on 13 shots

[Young X]

32 points on 12-14 shooting with 8/9 threes and no freethrows.

10 dimes with only 2 turnovers.

114 TS% and 194 ORtg.

...in less than 28 minutes in OKC against Westbrook and KD.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gC7ndSYdo5A

Only wasted 4 possessions total.

[Fallen Angel]

Demarcus Cousins vs LA

49 points on 13 shots
when?

[Fallen Angel]

James Harden:

46 points on 19 shots (2.42 PPS) vs. Oklahoma City in 2013

[Fallen Angel]

James Harden:

45 points on 19 shots (2.37 PPS) vs. Atlanta in 2012

*also his second game for the Houston Rockets

[Fallen Angel]

James Harden:

33 points on 12 shots (2.75 PPS) vs. Sixers in 2012

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe with 45 points on 77% shooting in 01.. (20-26 FG)

34/7/8 on 64% TS against the suns in the WCF..

Kobe in 07 with 50 points on 25 shots.. (18-25 FG) for the game..

81 points on 61% FG wasn't too shabby either..

[Fallen Angel]

James Harden:

34 points on 14 shots (2.43 PPS) vs. Milwaukee in 2014

[ekosky]

LeBron James with 57% for a FULL SEASON on just 18 attempts.

[Fallen Angel]

Pretty sure James Harden wins this.

Congrats.

[TheMarkMadsen]

LeBron James with 57% for a FULL SEASON on just 18 attempts.

on "just" 18 attempts, it would be more impressive if he had more FGA so why highlight that it was "just" 18 attempts :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ekosky]

on "just" 18 attempts, it would be more impressive if he had more FGA so why highlight that it was "just" 18 attempts :oldlol: :oldlol:
Are you really THAT angry?

[Marchesk]

Wilt Chamberlain 68% for a FULL Season on just 14 attempts.

[Marchesk]

Demarcus Cousins vs LA

49 points on 13 shots

Didn't know Cousins had the kind of play making ability to play guard. Props :cheers:

[Pointguard]

Magic 28 points on 11 shots against one of the greatest defensive teams game one of the finals '88. 10 assist only 1 turnover. Should have won FMVP.

Magic shot 68% in over a whole series against San Antonio in '86 for a 19/16 stat line.

Magic Johnson toke 3 shots for 13 points in the clincher securing his FMVP in 82. 13 assist as well... Against a great defensive team.

[bigkingsfan]

Kevin Martin - 50 points 22 shots

[G0ATbe]

81 points in 41 minutes.

[OldSchoolBBall]

Jordan: 52 points on 24-29 FG and only 4 FT. He actually was 21-23 from the field through the middle of the 4th and "only" went 3-6 the rest of the way. Just unstoppable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2ALaosUmk8

[aj1987]

Wade during the entire 2006 Eastern Conference Finals.
31 points on 11 shots, which is 2.82 PPS. :bowdown: :bowdown:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=wadedw01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=10&c2stat=pts&c2comp=gt&c2val=25&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=fga&order_by_asc=Y

[HurricaneKid]

Why on EARTH did this thread devolve into a "games with a lot of FTs"?

Arenas against the NYK 2/25/06:
46 points on 13/16 from the field (33 points off 16 shots) and 13/14 from the line. In only 30 min.


Drexler 11/13/1990:
39/12/11 on 18/22 from the field. Only 4 FTAs.

[sd3035]

31 points on 11 shots, which is 2.82 PPS. :bowdown: :bowdown:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=wadedw01&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_G=&pos_is_GF=&pos_is_F=&pos_is_FG=&pos_is_FC=&pos_is_C=&pos_is_CF=&c1stat=fga&c1comp=gt&c1val=10&c2stat=pts&c2comp=gt&c2val=25&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&order_by=fga&order_by_asc=Y

Dwight Howard had 39 on 13 shots

who cares about FT parades

[ralph_i_el]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WHJjVr0iho

CP3 30 points, 15 assists

[fiddy]

Kobe 45pts 20-26 FGs http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200012210HOU.html
Kobe 52pts 19-26 http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200611300LAL.html

[riseagainst]

Kobe 45pts 20-26 FGs http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200012210HOU.html
Kobe 52pts 19-26 http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200611300LAL.html


:bowdown:

[GrapeApe]

Dwight Howard had 39 on 13 shots

who cares about FT parades

Apparently you don't care about thread titles either.

[aj1987]

Dwight Howard had 39 on 13 shots

who cares about FT parades
Dude took like 45 FT's that game, IIRC. 13 shots and ~45 FT's to score 39 points.... :facepalm

That's ~60% TS. Wade was at ~80%. I'm going off of memory though (for wade and Dwight is a calculation I just made). I might be wrong.

Basically, Dwight needed ~20 more FT's to score 8 more points.


Fair enough. This topic is about Points per SHOT.

What about Dirk? 48 points on 15 shots... :bowdown: 3.2 PPS. I think he wins this thread.

[Pointguard]

Dude took like 45 FT's that game, IIRC. 13 shots and ~45 FT's to score 39 points.... :facepalm

That's ~60% TS. Wade was at ~80%. I'm going off of memory though (for wade and Dwight is a calculation I just made). I might be wrong.

Basically, Dwight needed ~20 more FT's to score 8 more points.


Fair enough. This topic is about Points per SHOT.

What about Dirk? 48 points on 15 shots... :bowdown: 3.2 PPS. I think he wins this thread.
He doesn't even belong in the thread.

[aj1987]

He doesn't even belong in the thread.
My bad.

[LAZERUSS]

Pointguard already brought up Magic, but I'm surprised no one mentioned his clinching game six of the '80 Finals.

42 points, on 14-23 and 14-14, with a game high 15 rebounds, and 7 assists.

[LAZERUSS]

On 1/25/67, Jerry West scored 45 points on 16-17 from the field, and 13-15 from the line, with 8 rebounds and 8 assists.

[GimmeThat]

Here are some that come to mind for me:

I'm mostly going by a PPS (points per shot) basis. (Total Points/Shot Attempts)

Chris Paul: 38 points on 14 shots (2.71 PPS) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN23kf3nOpg)

Goran Dragic: 34 points on 13 shots (2.62 PPS) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO2TRXdKLlc)

What are some others you can recall?


can't recall just a single game from memory in terms of the most efficient performance.

however it does intrigue me in raising a question

besides the obvious answer of the on/off court simple rating. If we were to eliminate the count of turnover by assuming every time down the court, one side of the team must make a shot attempt and include this into the formula of the most efficient performance (hence, when a turnover occurs, every single team member benefits as none of their opponent had a scoring opportunity)

without calculating the effects of rebounding/assists, I find it may only be fair if we don't award players on the defensive end even if the opposing player doesn't make a shot attempt either due to match up or miscellaneous reasons.

hence on a pure PPS basis, by including defense, we may include total points player scored, minus total points assigned defensive player scored, divided by total shots attempted by both.


without the eventual let down that one single dominant performance that can not be maintained throughout the whole season renders this analysis useless anyways.

[ralph_i_el]

Here are some that come to mind for me:

I'm mostly going by a PPS (points per shot) basis. (Total Points/Shot Attempts)

Chris Paul: 38 points on 14 shots (2.71 PPS) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dN23kf3nOpg)

Goran Dragic: 34 points on 13 shots (2.62 PPS) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TO2TRXdKLlc)

What are some others you can recall?

I remember watching that CP3 game live and just sitting there with my jaw dropped. It was like he was playing 2k on rookie. The Wizards had a top-10 defense that year too.

[Alan Ogg]

Not sure if mentioned but how could it not be, Klay's 37 point quarter. One of the most amazing feats I've ever seen in basketball.