How much damage could you do to this teams title chances?

[Kblaze8855]

Lets say some idiotic owner demanded his GM sign you and play you at the 2....34 minutes a game. Doesn't have to be 34 nightly...but if it doesn't average 34 at seasons end hes firing the entire coaching/front office staff. Unreasonable? Of course. We aren't trying to present a realistic situation. Anyway....this is the team:


Curry, Westbrook, or Paul your choice. Pick the one you feel the best about playing with.

You. 34 minutes a night.

Durant(healthy)

Anthony Davis

Deandre Jordan

Bench:


Nene
Mike Dunleavy
Bradley Beal
CJ Watson
Kirk Hinrich
James Jones
Amir Johnson

Coach is Mike Budenholzer. Team stays healthy. Plays in the east in place of the Magic. Pick a point to run with...you play 34 minutes a night regular season and playoffs.


Could they win it all with you at the 2?

You have a month to get into shape and work out with the team.
Im wondering how much negative impact you suspect you would have.

[HOoopCityJones]

That starting 5 is arguably the Western Conference Allstar Team this year.

[imdaman99]

Damn I play 34 minutes? I'm a good shooter so I can spot up and force teams to cover me, but I ain't beating an NBA player off the dribble unless it's a flat footed slow footed defender :oldlol: That being said, I'm 5'9... so I would need to play zone. I would need Westbrook to cover the opposing best perimeter scorer because I would get manhandled. I would have everyone on ISH watching our games giving me the Mario Chalmers treatment in case I miss 2 straight 3 pointers :lol But I don't think I'd be the reason we didn't win it all. I can shoot if I am a spot up shooter. They call me Reggie at my park... shitty to give a Knicks fan that nickname :rant But poor Beal... to get way less mins than a scrub off the streets :roll:

We would win championships :rockon: and if we didn't? We would have Lebron stans blaming KD or AD anyway.

[chips93]

ill take steph as my point guard

id never be able to extend my range out to nba 3pt line, id be shooting 18 footers. im 5'10, and my release isnt particularly quick. guards defending me could collapse into the lane to play help defense, and still get out to contest my shot, so i would kill spacing. having one terrible shooter, that defenses can ignore can really kill a team's spacing especially in the playoffs (the thunder with roberson/sefolosha the last few years), and mkae it really difficult for scorers.

im a decent defender, but im sure in the nba scrubs would light me up.

my ball handling and passing would be ok, obviously terrible for an nba player, but a relative strength of my game.

in the playoffs with teams game planning, they'd be able to really focus on ignoring me on offense (like bogut ignoring tony allen this year) and going after me on defense.

i think we'd make it to the conference finals and lose to the cavs.

[iamgine]

How can I play 34 minutes a game when I foul out every game?

[pauk]

Dont see how hard it could be to be Steve Kerr sitting there in the corner being birdfed wideopen shots.... i honestly think i could it and i am a pretty good shooter, everybody here knows my legendary workout/shooting regiment lol ... still think we win the chip :cheers:

[Natureland]

I'd honestly go with Curry because his shooting could (not even close to fully) make up for the negative effect I'd have on the team's offense. Plus Paul or Westbrook might murder me before the season even ends. That and Curry/Durant/Davis is a trio that's so crazy to think about happening from an offensive/efficiency standpoint even if I'd be personally ruining any potential it could really have.

My plan to get ready that wouldn't even matter: I'd stay in a gym day and night and try to become as good a corner shooter as I could. This is beyond "stepping on toes" or something there's literally no reason for me to even be dribbling the ball or attempting to run the offense. Bud would show me sets and where to be and I'd of course be involved in setting screens but that should be the extent of it.

I honestly think anybody's worst damage here would be on defense. That team has Durant, Davis and Curry in my scenario in the starting lineup. Even with me shrinking the floor they'll still do damage offensively. But me in the backcourt with the way the game is so perimeter oriented today is going to get eaten alive on defense and mainly I'd be taking on a lot of screens or posts ups or any variety of things until I'm worn down (most people here wouldn't make the All-star break let's be honest a month of training isn't close to enough time). Durant/Davis/Jordan frontcourt is actually really strong defensively but I'm probably gonna wear down myself (and Curry in the process since he'd be taking the tougher assignments) to a point where those guys are flying all over the place to make up for my futile efforts.

I feel like it's a copout but I don't think I'd make the season. And it's probably a slight ego thing but I guess we'd be in playoff contention whenever I collapsed from exhaustion for the fifth time during a game and got pulled for good.

[Quickening]

Everyone saying they're a good shooter would be lucky to hit 15 percent from 3 on wide open shots... whoever faced you would need to be double teamed, if not they're getting 80 points.

No team is winning chit with some unathletic 5 foot 10 scrub playing 34 mins a game.

[jayfan]

Everyone saying they're a good shooter would be lucky to hit 15 percent from 3 on wide open shots... whoever faced you would need to be double teamed, if not they're getting 80 points.

No team is winning chit with some unathletic 5 foot 10 scrub playing 34 mins a game.

The truth hurts.


.

[AirFederer]

I`d get injured after three games at my age.
But, say I was 25. Okay. At 6-4 w/shoes and 195 pounds I`d have okayish size. I could spot up from up til 20 feet or go inside if forced to shoot. But I`m a good passer (not NBA level doe). I`d get killed on defence by quicker guys.
I`d hurt the team badly, as we all would have. But we`d make the play offs.:D

[oarabbus]

Well most PGs would tower over me (SGs even more so) so I'm guessing my team would not do very well. I can pass nicely and the other team wouldn't be able to leave me COMPLETELY open though. But wtf would I do on defense lol

[IncarceratedBob]

I would have to get back into playing shape. I played Division 2 ball during the early 2000s and the only reason I didn't get any Division 1 offers was I suffered a ruptured spinal ligament my senior year of high school. I honestly don't think it affected my game but I never got a shot to prove it at the pros. There's no doubt in my mind that if I got a full offseason to train and get into the best shape of my life I could easily be a replacement level NBA player for 35 minutes a game.

[ClipperRevival]

I would want CP3 because he's the best passer of the bunch, which means easier buckets for me and the best defender of the bunch (cover my behind).

It would be a massacre every night with me playing the 2. I've said this before and i'll say it again, being in the NBA isn't about talent, but more about winning the genetic lottery and being a certain height and having the right athleticism. When you are that tall and that athletic, every move you make looks impressive. But shrink these same players down to say 5'8" and average athleticism and the same moves these guys make wouldn't work.

When you have two players with very similar skillsets, the player with the superior athleticism will win out almost every time.

[HurricaneKid]

There is an abject disconnect here. When David Lee comes into the game the opposition does nothing but attack him in PnRs. And despite impressive athleticism and an imposing 6'10" frame he gets destroyed. Do you know what you all would look like against an elite team in the PnR? It would be a travesty. Almost no one here could make a suitable percentage of open shots (which wouldn't look so open when 6'8" dudes are running at you) so it would be 4 on 5 on the other end too.

I am 6'6", played college basketball, was a great shooter and thats not even in the ballpark of what we need to avoid getting destroyed. If you 5' nothing" think you would win you have no idea what you are dealing with.

[Q.E.C]

My main focus would be to find open guys on offense, but I know I would get torched on defense, so I would have to go with Westbrook to make up for my lack of defense. I'm 6'6, 220, and of course it's easy for me to drive and rebound over everyone at the gym because I'm taller than most people I play with, but in the NBA I would have to adjust my whole game and work on my ball handling skills and defense for that 1 month time period. I don't see me contributing to this team at all lol

[Rocketswin2013]

I'd pick Paul. Spam Davis/Paul PNR's and let Jordan and Durant feed off that.

It's tough to know how bad I could hold the offense and defense back.

Like, I watched 100 - 120 Rockets Games in the '13 and '14 seasons that involved harden playing defense for stretches that virtually couldn't be worse than anything I could give...And the team still won and was top 10-ish on defense... now, on offense my man would cheat and double everyone he could off me. It's tough. I don't know of I could shoot >35% from the field even with the constant good looks.

On my best day, I'm an off-night, out-of-prime Thabo Sefolosha on offense and a mildly disinterested James Harden on defense. Just terrible.


Still, I think the team is to talented not to win a lot. As long as I'm benched for the 4th.

[3ball]

You. 34 minutes a night.


there isn't a poster on here physically capable of playing 34 minutes a night in an nba game - literally, all of us would collapse on the floor of fatigue after like 8-9 minutes.

it's not like playing 34 minutes in a pick-up game.

this it THE dumbest thread i've ever seen on here, because it's not a troll

[kennethgriffin]

theres no way in hell any of us could step in and not give up 40 to whomever we're guarding at the 2 on the other end

even if any of us could hit most of our wide open shots and score 10-15 points

wouldnt matter. nobody in this forum can guard an nba shooting guard

.500 record at best




i've been quoted on here saying i can beat a 2013-14 kobe bryant in a game of 1 on 1

but that isnt saying much.

kobe the first few weeks back after achilles surgery that got blocked by his own legs vs toronto isnt even 1/10th as good as current day kobe.

[RidonKs]

i take chris paul. he is the best combination of distributing and covering my defensive liabilities. i'm a pretty good defender but too small and slow. if curry is my point guard, the whole team knows the backcourt is probably getting burned and i have nowhere to hide.

here are the lineups bud uses


W/ ME ON THE FLOOR

15 minutes

cp3 (v starters + reserves)
me
dunleavy
durant
davis

8 minutes (v starters)

cp3
me
durant
davis
jordan

7 minutes (v reserves)

hinrich
me
durant
nene
davis

4 minutes

cp3
me
durant
nene
amir


W/O ME ON THE FLOOR

6 minutes

cj watson
beal
dunleavy
amir/nene
davis

4 minutes

cp3
beal
durant
davis
jordan

4 minutes

cp3
beal
dunleavy
durant
jordan



that looks about right.

- i mostly play with durant paul davis at the same time
- i'm never on the floor without 2/3 of those guys
- play a bit with kirk who can also take the better of the two offensive players, and a lot with dunleavy who is flexible also. no time with beal who is a rich man's me ;p


we win 57 games and take 2nd place in the east

we beat the pistons in the first round without much problem. five games... i get lit up the whole time by KCP but the other guys go wild. drummond fakes a headache in game four because hes scared of davis and deandre.

move to miami and face a world of heat. i'm on old man wade and he is murking me up and down the floor. i'm literally making him look ten years younger. meanwhile the depth of that miami frontline is matching ours step for step and dragic is having the series of his life against cp3...

game six, down 3-2 in the series, 99-97 in the game as dwyane strokes his second ft. i've resorted to fouling him every time down and hoping he only makes 2/3 on average... no such luck.

cp3 darts to the sideline for the ball and streaks past the heat bench, cuts around a davis screen right into the middle of the floor and scans. whips it to durant flying down the right side. he drives hard right and deng tries to box him into the corner... wade closes in on the trap leaving me all alone in teh corner!! durant leaps high into the air fading into the camera men, overhands a fastball back to the middle where davis has been bounding down the floor... bosh steps up to take the charge and davis slows his momentum. picks up his dribble and pans around for the open man.

i set my feet. catch it in the pocket. look at the hoop.

http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/novak-corner-three.jpg

BANG!


then dave blatt eats us alive in the WCF by using the following lineup and defending me with kevin love whenever i'm on the floor...

irving
james
love
thompson
mazgov

[Bankaii]

The highest I've ever played in college was D2 and even that was pretty tough. I was pretty good from beyond the arc so on offense I could just spit up in a corner.
I'm only 6'1 tho so it'd be a field day for my opponent.
But any of those PGs, along with Dirant and Davis alone is enough wreck the league.

[20Four]

there isn't a poster on here physically capable of playing 34 minutes a night in an nba game - literally, all of us would collapse on the floor of fatigue after like 8-9 minutes.

it's not like playing 34 minutes in a pick-up game.

this it THE dumbest thread i've ever seen on here, because it's not a troll
I run a lot so maybe I can hang lol....I'm just probably running around the court lmao hahahahah

[Kblaze8855]

There is no way I or any average person is literally collapsing on the floor of fatigue after 8 minutes of NBA game time. Not the way a coach would deploy you. For one.....with timeouts, fouls, tv timouts, and so on....8 minutes isnt 8 all out minutes. Its short bursts of movement...which...again...a coach would limit. If im playing zone and essentially getting out of the way on offense or setting picks....my running is limited.

The reason guys get worn out in the NBA is being so large...and playing so physical. Neither of which would be the biggest issue for a regular guy.

Now....lets be clear...

Barring the 34 minute demand one of us would play usual role player ball approach wise...meaning we try to play hard enough to make up for lack of talent. Would we? No. But thats the attempt. We all assume we would try our best on D...try to be scrappy...find a way to contribute. THAT would wear you out. But no coach would send you out there to do that.

You cant play 34 minutes of "I suck...so im gonna at least give my all...." respectable effort ball vs NBA bodies. You would have to be in a full zone....with help ready to limit how much you need to move your feet. You would have to accept that you cant stop your man one on one and simply let David and Deandre clean up your many messes and cover your ass when someone posts you up.

You couldnt go try to be Delly...you would have to play a brand of ball so limiting it would be a joke. But....thats why im asking how much damage it does.

I can stand and jog in 40 foot bursts off and on for a while with unlimited gatorade, trainers, timeouts, free throws, coming out now and then...then take a 15 minute break and come back out. The problem is how far beyond that id have to go for a godly team to stay in games playing essentially 4 on 5.

I cant play 34 minutes of real NBA ball even while sucking. Can a coach find somewhere for me to be for 34 minutes? Sure. Stick me at the top of the 3 point line on defense to just attempt to challenge kickout threes in my area....let Paul or Westbrook and Durant flank me....AD and Deandre hold down the paint. If I flat out have orders not to step inside the 3 point line...team would score....but a bad team vs those defenders? I dont think its gonna end up 140-66. You could be 5'11'' 160 and contest a jumper in your area. You cant stop ____ one on one...and no coach would expect it.

You cant let one of us man up vs even a shitty NBA guard. But stick us top of the key extended to 25 feet? We would at least get some stops. The issue is...would we lose by 20 no matter who else we had....because of it.

Coach wouldnt have us running through screens chasing Kyle Korver. He would get us as far out of the action as possible.

You could do it in the short bursts required.

We just couldnt do it if they were dumb enough to make us play a traditional game.

[houston]

Everyone saying they're a good shooter would be lucky to hit 15 percent from 3 on wide open shots... whoever faced you would need to be double teamed, if not they're getting 80 points.

No team is winning chit with some unathletic 5 foot 10 scrub playing 34 mins a game.


this right here

[Bankaii]

there isn't a poster on here physically capable of playing 34 minutes a night in an nba game - literally, all of us would collapse on the floor of fatigue after like 8-9 minutes.

it's not like playing 34 minutes in a pick-up game.

this it THE dumbest thread i've ever seen on here, because it's not a troll
8 minutes lol? My goodness you fat bastard maybe if quit wanking to old MJ layups and ran once in a while you'd be in shape.
Some posters on here do actually hoop, hard to believe I know.

[WayOfWade]

I'd just be a benchwarmer, average like 10 minutes a game, win the championship, and get the whole coaching staff fired.
Also I'd take Westbrook at the point, not because he's the best but because he'd be fun to watch

[GrapeApe]

Honestly, in the shape I'm in now they'd probably be better off playing 4 on 5 than with me on the court. :oldlol:

If I trained my ass off for a year I MIGHT be able to make it up and down the court for 34 minutes.

[Jailblazers7]

Can I just employ a strategy to hack people like wild to avoid playing 34 mins? Just foul myself out in the first 5 mins and let the all-stars kill it?


If I have to play, then I think I would probably be bad enough to lose us 20 games. I could probably get my 3 point shooting to the point where I could stand and provide enough spacing to not hamper us too significantly but I would destroy our defense.

Not quick enough or strong enough to guard anyone. One month isn't even close enough to get into NBA shape. I'd either have to guard the worst shooter and leave him a 5 foot cushion hoping he misses. I'd get dominated in the post too so we'd have to double a lot. Might end up just getting burned all game and getting our bigs in trouble. At least I'm 6'3" so I could at least challenge some jumpers.

[ImKobe]

Curry
Kobe
Durant
Davis
Jordan

73 - 9 regular season record, 16 - 0 Playoffs

[Kblaze8855]

I would be so humiliating to just stand there and do nothing....but I dont know what else to do. My pride would make me want to try honest defense....but you would wreck the plan. Im not even gonna pretend I could become an offensive threat...even a 20% 3 point shooter.....in a year. That ship has sailed. And id never take them anyway. It would be like Rodman on the Bulls. Teams would just look at me as I prepared to shoot like "Shoot it it...please......". More realistically I could attack the basket when it swings to me wiiiiiiiiiide open...but im not gonna get there before they rotate and im not finishing anything but a lucky ass floater now and then that would be an embarrasment to the game the 90% of the time it wouldnt go in.

Id airball 2 floaters a game if I had ball enough to shoot twice a game.

You would have to sit down with the coach and really invent a role. Screens....leaking out early...there are plays I could run from the point guard position that involve simply...giving someone else the ball. I could throw an entry pass(though it isnt as easy as it looks). Though of course part of that is being respected as a threat. If I CANT shoot....my man would just back off me so far I couldnt get it in to AD....

You would have to find a way to be of use....

It would come down to the coach.

[HurricaneKid]

I would have to get back into playing shape. I played Division 2 ball during the early 2000s and the only reason I didn't get any Division 1 offers was I suffered a ruptured spinal ligament my senior year of high school. I honestly don't think it affected my game but I never got a shot to prove it at the pros. There's no doubt in my mind that if I got a full offseason to train and get into the best shape of my life I could easily be a replacement level NBA player for 35 minutes a game.


Ugh. The lack of self awareness is gross. The difference between D2 and NBA is ENORMOUS. There are 315 D1 teams you didn't make. Of those 315 D1 teams ~25 players will ever play in the NBA. But sure, you are plenty good. I'm not one to call folks on their BS but I played against NBA players. And I wasn't them. It doesn't sound like you did.

[FLDFSU]

On offense, I would hope to be Joel Anthony. I think I could possibly at least do that.

[Clifton]

No chance at a title with me out there 34 minutes a night. None at all.

1. I have terrible stamina. Even in peak condition, I would be winded for at least half of those minutes.

2. There is no NBA player who couldn't score on me every single time.

3. I can't dribble. I'm 6'1 with long arms and normally play forward. In an NBA game I don't think there would ever come a time where I was able to put it on the ground more than once before my pocket got picked.

4. I don't even have the arm strength to pass the ball in such a way that most NBA guards wouldn't pick off all my passes. I also telegraph like crazy.

5. If I got a month or two to work on my shot, and *if* I were able to get any wide open looks despite my lack of stamina and quickness, I could probably hit about 25% on wide open looks. (I would probably only manage to get off like 4-5 shots a game at most, and that's only because they wouldn't bother to guard me.) In the NBA, a "wide open look" almost always means you have like 1/10 of a second to get the shot off and even then it's nearly blocked and they hit your arm after you release. And this is for taller, faster players.

It would literally be 4 on 5. And listen... I'm a decent player. On the pickup level, as long as the game doesn't go on too long, I'm a pretty damn good defender, a fairly good shooter midrange and 3, and a pretty damn good passer. I'm not strong but I have very good footwork. But if we're talking NBA athletes, NBA pace, NBA court? Forget it. I'd get swallowed up in a second.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

there isn't a poster on here physically capable of playing 34 minutes a night in an nba game - literally, all of us would collapse on the floor of fatigue after like 8-9 minutes.

it's not like playing 34 minutes in a pick-up game.

this it THE dumbest thread i've ever seen on here, because it's not a troll

Can you not be a huge ****** for one day?

All of your threads are dumber than this.

[zoom17]

Team will be lucky to be above .500. Most of us will get destroyed playing defense and would have little to no impact on offense. :oldlol:

[Legends66NBA7]

I'm going full out John Stockton on defense and offense.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Wasn't it asked on Open Court if any of those guys could just play like 5 minutes a game and all but Reggie were like "hell no". And these guys were good enough to make the NBA in the first place and have a career. Some allstars and HOFers still in their 40s.

The well majority of us wouldn't even get a shot off, assuming the opposing coach doesn't leave you wide open because that's likely the best strategy.


Anyway, I choose Curry to answer the question.

[KG215]

I'm 6'5" and spot-up 3P shooting was my biggest strength (even more so now that I'm in awful shape and what little athleticism I had is virtually non-existent now). And, if I might add, I was and am a pretty damn good shooter...but that's pretty much it.

I wouldn't have anywhere near the quickness or first step to ever get by my man. The only way I'd ever shoot a layup the entire season is if I had a wide-open fastbreak opportunity and even then I'd need a pretty big head-start. I'm sure I could occasionally get my man in the air with a head fake and settle in nicely for a 15-17 foot pull-up jumper which was my bread-and-butter in high school, but I'm sure that skill is pretty terrible now. The biggest concern, though, is that I'd be so comically terrible defensively that we'd be forced to play some sort of zone or my man would average 30-40 points a night because I'd be useless trying to keep any NBA level player in front of me.

I am only 28 so I could eventually get in good enough shape to at least run up and down the court at NBA pace for 20-25ish of those 34 minutes a night. I'd be dead the other 10-15, though, so whoever the coach is would have to strategically and creatively sub for me. I do have a 6'8" wingspan to go with my 6'5" frame, but that wouldn't help me much with zero lateral quickness and cinderblock feet.


In sum, I'm sure, at best, I'd be good for a low-ish offensive on/off, but my defensive on/off would be so impossibly, hysterically bad that it'd critically hamper the team.

[Natureland]

I wonder if any coach would try that Vivek "4 on 5" strategy with us where we just stayed in the backcourt and cherry picked. We wouldn't matter on defense anyway.

Although multiple players would probably catch up to us by the time a pass got off and we were trying to head to basket. :lol

[Kblaze8855]

Wasn't it asked on Open Court if any of those guys could just play like 5 minutes a game and all but Reggie were like "hell no". And these guys were good enough to make the NBA in the first place and have a career. Some allstars and HOFers still in their 40s.

The well majority of us wouldn't even get a shot off, assuming the opposing coach doesn't leave you wide open because that's likely the best strategy.


Anyway, I choose Curry to answer the question.


except they meant in the current beaten-up injured form. Chuck for one just had a hip replacement. plus they meant trying to be serious competitive NBA players. Not essentially props moving from 3 point line to 3 point line like we would be.

Steve Kerr Reggie Miller could make a laughing stock of themselves by playing 34 non-competitive minutes tomorrow. But they were legitimate NBA players who wouldn't attempt to play and make a mockery of the game.

Plus many of those guys were big men. They will be expected to do a lot of things that require more physicality than we would need playing at the top of a zone defense.

they couldn't play for real. They could bullshit the way an NBA coach would have to if so hampered by our presence.

[Lebron23]

you guys needs to posts your videos in the 100 shots challenge. I scored 23 points last summer against the team who won the championship in our league.

[RidonKs]

if i'm playing with any two of davis/durant/jordan, there is awesome length around me. lets say bud sticks me not so far from the hoop as kblaze suggested, but i the midrange area. mostly i play help defense, cut off driving lanes, make sure i'm not too long in the key, go for strips/pick up hard fouls when i need to, and last try to get a body on somebody for as long as possible whenever a shot goes up.

if i foul out before 34 minutes on a consistent basis, do we have to forfeit?

on offense i'm pretty much stationed in one corner as a knock down shooter. with a months practise i could do some damage.

thats a ton of talent. scoring would not be a problem in any of the lineups i posted, that much is certain. it comes down to getting stops. i bet we can get enough with me in the middle for a while, and me out of the lineup for 14 minutes a night against the worst the opposition has to offer. that's where we build our lead. i play against the starters, but reserve minutes are owned by one of my team's superstars.

it's easy to underestimate a collection of talent like durant, davis, paul. but those are three of the best ten players in the league. two of the top three with an incredible point guard at the helm.

those guys are playing like 60 out of 82 games where all three of them are the best players in the game.

we would win plenty of games against lesser opponents.

worst case scenario if we're losing, bud inserts the superstar fright lineup to spur a run while i'm on the bench for some of my 14 minutes. you cherish those minutes if things get really bad with me on the floor.

in my lineups i mostly assigned the best the play with me and my bench minutes to be occupied by the second unit. but even as i had it, durant and davis were like 38 m/g and paul was 34.. so they could each play more.

lots of opportunities to exploit matchups. like if we're going up against the hawks, you play big lineups. paul on teague, durant on korver, me on sefo, davis on millsap, jordan on horford...

now are we having a hard time scoring? god no.

can we stop the hawks? i'd say like half the time at least...

there are a lot of dud players in the regular season you can hide the worst defender on and then help hard. its especially easy if you have a lot of length.

any guy you're comfortable taking a three twice a quarter? stick me on him. i'll give him three, he'll hit one, and we'll keep the lead.

this is an easier question than ppl are giving it credit for.

[iamgine]

So here's the plan for the playoff if we somehow gets there:

In each playoff series, we'd get to 3-0 first, subbing me in when the lead goes to 20 pts and subbing me out if the lead goes down to 8 pts. Then I'd play full 48 minutes for the next 3, aiming to lose with multiple overtimes if possible. Then the team wins game 7, subbing me in only if the lead and time left is comfortable enough.

Risky, but I think it will work with these group of guys.

[PistonsFan#21]

there isn't a poster on here physically capable of playing 34 minutes a night in an nba game - literally, all of us would collapse on the floor of fatigue after like 8-9 minutes.

it's not like playing 34 minutes in a pick-up game.

this it THE dumbest thread i've ever seen on here, because it's not a troll

:rolleyes:

So you saying that players like Boris Diaw or Brian Scalabrine are in better shape than literally everyone here? Maybe you would die of fatigue after 5 mins but this doesnt apply to everyone here. Im sure theres posters on a basketball forum that actually train and take care of their body.

[Pushxx]

It's threads like these that reaffirm why this message board is the best one out there.

Thanks, ISH.

[Rake2204]

Everyone saying they're a good shooter would be lucky to hit 15 percent from 3 on wide open shots... whoever faced you would need to be double teamed, if not they're getting 80 points.

No team is winning chit with some unathletic 5 foot 10 scrub playing 34 mins a game.I would get absolutely wrecked and any NBA team allowing me to play 34 minutes a night would be an automatic loser... by a lot. That said, I'd reckon there'd be at least a few folks here who, if absolutely wide open, could connect from the NBA arc at better than a 15% clip.

Otherwise, yeah, pretty much with ya.


:rolleyes:

So you saying that players like Boris Diaw or Brian Scalabrine are in better shape than literally everyone here? Maybe you would die of fatigue after 5 mins but this doesnt apply to everyone here. Im sure theres posters on a basketball forum that actually train and take care of their body.Tough for me to say with absolute certainty but while Diaw is bigger and Scalabrine is Scalabrine, they both have a long, long history of playing many minutes of high level basketball every night. Wide loads can sometimes still hold the patterns and wind needed to play where they play.

On the flip side, Andre Drummond couldn't play longer than two to three minute stretches for his first two years in the league because, on the NBA level, he was as close as I've ever seen to someone collapsing on the court from fatigue. There was nothing subtle about it. I have fun memories of him doing some great things on both ends of the court over the course of three to four possessions, then dying the next time down, almost standing with hands on knees as an opponent coasted in for an open layup, inducing a Pistons time-out and immediate sub.

Long story short: I think the pace of NBA basketball and conditioning required is highly underrated. One of the most common answers college superstar rookies provide when asked about the toughest adjustment to the NBA game is its fast pace. Even in my peak shape, which was enough to make me IBL fodder, I'd question whether I could get through an eight minute stretch of NBA basketball without konking out in a major, major way.

[ekosky]

Paul
Fudge
Durant
Davis
Jordan

3peat.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

except they meant in the current beaten-up injured form. Chuck for one just had a hip replacement. plus they meant trying to be serious competitive NBA players. Not essentially props moving from 3 point line to 3 point line like we would be.

Steve Kerr Reggie Miller could make a laughing stock of themselves by playing 34 non-competitive minutes tomorrow. But they were legitimate NBA players who wouldn't attempt to play and make a mockery of the game.

Plus many of those guys were big men. They will be expected to do a lot of things that require more physicality than we would need playing at the top of a zone defense.

they couldn't play for real. They could bullshit the way an NBA coach would have to if so hampered by our presence.

I recall only Shaq and Barkley being the bigs on that episode. Not sure tho. Maybe Webber since he seems to be on all of them.

Reggie talking about strongly considering returning to the Celtics at age 40-whatever, I think is exact role we would play. Like you said 3pt to 3pt, and almost entirely off the ball.

Anyway, really it's a matter of getting open. If an NBA defense legitimately wanted to lock you down, I doubt many of us could even get free. And by NBA defense I don't mean a team focusing on you like you're MJ. Just a single defender glued on you. I played against some college players who had no chance of making the NBA and their ability to close out and contest shots is incredible. Can't imagine what it would be like against Tony Allen or even someone like Jeremy Lin or Isaiah Thomas, for that matter.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I'd focus on hustling, sprinting, getting low to the ground, picking up scrappy rebs, pinpointing passes, and dribbling real low and creating shots.

I know for a F*cking FACT I'm not as badly conditioned as some 13th men in the NBA. Hill sprints, cross country, jump rope, consistent prowler walks etc. will keep your heart rate low and have you going like an energizer bunny.

At worst feet set to the ground on the three and covering one diagonal while the other 4 do their damn thang should be enough to at least neutralize the O.

As average as I am... an average scorer, good rebounder, decent defender, very athletic compared to the average guy... Scalabrinish in NBA; as a 25th man for the Uconn Huskies..

I couldn't do AS much damage as having a pure cancer on a team i.e. Jamal Chuckford on a chuckfest night going 15%. At worst Private Pyle in a squad of Rangers lol.

[oh the horror]

Everyone saying they're a good shooter would be lucky to hit 15 percent from 3 on wide open shots... whoever faced you would need to be double teamed, if not they're getting 80 points.

No team is winning chit with some unathletic 5 foot 10 scrub playing 34 mins a game.




This. :oldlol:



I don't think average people understand how much of a level up from the ordinary the NBA is from any game you've ever played. This is why I always crack up when your couch potato talks shit about a pro shooting over 40 percent.


Most here would be shooting .133 percent or some shit if they were lucky.

[Kobe_6/8]

Could they win it all with you at the 2?

You have a month to get into shape and work out with the team.
Im wondering how much negative impact you suspect you would have.

Hell no. Who on this forum can guard a NBA player? Even if we all made open jumpshots, our value on defense would make us the worst 2-guard in league history.

[Lebowski]

Everyone saying they're a good shooter would be lucky to hit 15 percent from 3 on wide open shots... whoever faced you would need to be double teamed, if not they're getting 80 points.

No team is winning chit with some unathletic 5 foot 10 scrub playing 34 mins a game.

:applause:

Its a fun scenario, a good topic in a mire of shit, kudos.

At 6'4~ and some basketball skills- and IQ in my body I might get a shot off, maybe, and I might grab a rebound if it more or less falls into my hands (I was a very good rebounder actually), get one assist thru on occasion. No steals tho.

The offense is obviously the easy part, for me, not for the rest of the team since opposing team could leave me open at the NBA three, in the paint and well wherever really. Even if I got a month to hit a high percentage from three in the gym my release would probably be blocked more times then not in a real game with some athletic freak jumping at me.

The other end is the tricky part, since guards around the league would have Wilt-like scoring-numbers on me every night, we would definitely need the western conference all star-lineup to manage anything, even in the east. The real chance this team has would be me fouling out, a lot. Even if I managed to not foul out it would more or less be 4 on 5 for an average of 34 minutes per night.

Having said that, I would love it all! Where do I sign?

[lucky001]

How about just standing near your basket when your team's on defense. Just waiting for full court passes for layups. I'm not even going to pretend I'll be useful on defense.

[BoutPractice]

I'm Rudy Fernandez height, so at least I wouldn't look ridiculously small compared to other SGs…

But yeah, it's best to assume they'd be essentially playing 4 on 5.

Two stupid ideas I could think of for making it work:
- fouling out quickly, injuring key players in the process if possible (or even doing something that gets you ejected for the whole season, Artest-style)
- cherry picking, where you don't defend at all and stand right next to the opponent's basket… I have decent hands, so after some training it might work. I would probably fumble the outlet pass every now and then, but I don't think I'd blow wide open layups or dunks so often that it wouldn't be a legitimate option that forces the defense to make a choice… (Whereas even an open jumpshot would never be a good idea… just look at Iman Shumpert in the finals… He'd kill me in an open gym, but could barely hit any of his shots in game no matter how open)

If you want the team to win, your dignity shouldn't be part of the equation… Actually trying risks making things worse.

[kshutts1]

This. :oldlol:



I don't think average people understand how much of a level up from the ordinary the NBA is from any game you've ever played. This is why I always crack up when your couch potato talks shit about a pro shooting over 40 percent.


Most here would be shooting .133 percent or some shit if they were lucky.
I think there's a misconception between reality and expectations.

There are definitely some kids on this site that can shoot. Rake, myself, and some others are, or used to be, very good HS and college players. The more realistic ones mention hitting a decent clip (30-50%) of WIDE OPEN shots. None of us, literally none of us, are under any delusions of scoring while being defended.

So, while WIDE OPEN, the basket is still the same height, same width, ball is the same size... I see no reason for my shooting percentage to plummet from what I'm used to. Maybe in the first few games, while I'm getting used to the "pressure" and the "big lights". But otherwise, as long as I'm taking WIDE OPEN shots (I can't emphasize that enough), then I will shoot 30-50%.

As for an actual answer? Everyone on here would be so, so bad at defense that it's pretty laughable. I think the players around us would be good enough to beat maybe the bottom 16 to 20 teams in the league on most nights. Then on the occasional night they'll be good enough to beat just about any team in the league. But end result, I'd say that team loses in the second round of the playoffs.

That being said, it's frustrating to me to see people treat NBA players as if they're physical gods. Someone earlier mentioned needing a huge headstart on a fastbreak, and even then he'd still be caught... If I'm sprinting, and an average NBA guard is sprinting, I'll get beat, and it won't be close. But if I get a 20-30 foot head start, I'll beat them to the basket for a fast break layup. Most of us, that are still in shape, would. Any of us still in shape should run a 5.5 forty, give or take a few tenths, while an NBA player is more likely to run a 4.7 or so. That's obviously a difference, but in the relatively small area of a basketball court, there's just not enough space to catch up.

[HurricaneKid]

I think there's a misconception between reality and expectations.

There are definitely some kids on this site that can shoot. Rake, myself, and some others are, or used to be, very good HS and college players. The more realistic ones mention hitting a decent clip (30-50%) of WIDE OPEN shots. None of us, literally none of us, are under any delusions of scoring while being defended.

So, while WIDE OPEN, the basket is still the same height, same width, ball is the same size... I see no reason for my shooting percentage to plummet from what I'm used to. Maybe in the first few games, while I'm getting used to the "pressure" and the "big lights". But otherwise, as long as I'm taking WIDE OPEN shots (I can't emphasize that enough), then I will shoot 30-50%.

As for an actual answer? Everyone on here would be so, so bad at defense that it's pretty laughable. I think the players around us would be good enough to beat maybe the bottom 16 to 20 teams in the league on most nights. Then on the occasional night they'll be good enough to beat just about any team in the league. But end result, I'd say that team loses in the second round of the playoffs.

That being said, it's frustrating to me to see people treat NBA players as if they're physical gods. Someone earlier mentioned needing a huge headstart on a fastbreak, and even then he'd still be caught... If I'm sprinting, and an average NBA guard is sprinting, I'll get beat, and it won't be close. But if I get a 20-30 foot head start, I'll beat them to the basket for a fast break layup. Most of us, that are still in shape, would. Any of us still in shape should run a 5.5 forty, give or take a few tenths, while an NBA player is more likely to run a 4.7 or so. That's obviously a difference, but in the relatively small area of a basketball court, there's just not enough space to catch up.

The irony is that the better players were and the farther they went, the more awareness there is for what they would be lacking in a competition like this. If you didn't play ball in college you have no shot at this. There is no way some of you have any clue how big the gap is between the pickup you play and elite ball. And I know most folks around here never played HS ball and think you could step on the floor against NBA players at the highest levels. Its hilarious to me.

I'm a 6'6" shooter with a high release and I remember like it was yesterday having a 3 point shot thrown back at me when I thought I had a ton of space. Such is playing with 7'ers that can cover more ground quicker than you can.

I would literally pay a lot of money to watch some of you try this. You would end up walking off the court, quite possibly in tears.

[ClipperRevival]

The irony is that the better players were and the farther they went, the more awareness there is for what they would be lacking in a competition like this. If you didn't play ball in college you have no shot at this. There is no way some of you have any clue how big the gap is between the pickup you play and elite ball. And I know most folks around here never played HS ball and think you could step on the floor against NBA players at the highest levels. Its hilarious to me.

I'm a 6'6" shooter with a high release and I remember like it was yesterday having a 3 point shot thrown back at me when I thought I had a ton of space. Such is playing with 7'ers that can cover more ground quicker than you can.

I would literally pay a lot of money to watch some of you try this. You would end up walking off the court, quite possibly in tears.

Yup. Even when I play against a guy about 6'6" who isn't that athletic, I really need to change my game to get off any shot against someone that tall. And those guys are SGs in the NBA with much better athleticism. If a guy like Anthony Davis wanted to D me up, I would maybe get off 1 shot out of 25 attempts, let alone make any.

We have these threads all the time and what people say kind of tells me how much they actually know about the game. The guys who don't play much think it can't be that bad. The guys who do, respect the sh*t out of the talent level of the NBA and know it's just another planet in terms of talent. I mean all time greats themselves who fall off a little past their prime can be rendered a non-impact player.

The NBA game is way too fast, tall, long, explosive and athletic for the average Joe.

[kshutts1]

Hence my mention of being wide open. Did you miss those mentions? Just because you don't know when you are, and are not, being covered, does not mean that others could not have more awareness of such things. I'm not saying I'd never be surprised by their size and length and quickness, but I'd certainly adapt.

Also, all due respect, but if you're "6'6 with a high release" and your shot gets tossed back that easily, I question many things about your game and, again, general awareness.

[ClipperRevival]

I think there's a misconception between reality and expectations.

There are definitely some kids on this site that can shoot. Rake, myself, and some others are, or used to be, very good HS and college players. The more realistic ones mention hitting a decent clip (30-50%) of WIDE OPEN shots. None of us, literally none of us, are under any delusions of scoring while being defended.

So, while WIDE OPEN, the basket is still the same height, same width, ball is the same size... I see no reason for my shooting percentage to plummet from what I'm used to. Maybe in the first few games, while I'm getting used to the "pressure" and the "big lights". But otherwise, as long as I'm taking WIDE OPEN shots (I can't emphasize that enough), then I will shoot 30-50%.

As for an actual answer? Everyone on here would be so, so bad at defense that it's pretty laughable. I think the players around us would be good enough to beat maybe the bottom 16 to 20 teams in the league on most nights. Then on the occasional night they'll be good enough to beat just about any team in the league. But end result, I'd say that team loses in the second round of the playoffs.

That being said, it's frustrating to me to see people treat NBA players as if they're physical gods. Someone earlier mentioned needing a huge headstart on a fastbreak, and even then he'd still be caught... If I'm sprinting, and an average NBA guard is sprinting, I'll get beat, and it won't be close. But if I get a 20-30 foot head start, I'll beat them to the basket for a fast break layup. Most of us, that are still in shape, would. Any of us still in shape should run a 5.5 forty, give or take a few tenths, while an NBA player is more likely to run a 4.7 or so. That's obviously a difference, but in the relatively small area of a basketball court, there's just not enough space to catch up.

That's a pretty big variance in pct. But you do know that the best mid-range shooters in the NBA shoot about 55% right? And you think the average Joe might reach 50%? :oldlol: GTFO here man. Seriously. You won't even get your shot up. You will seldom be wide open unless if the D decides to leave you open. And even then, you'll have a 6'6" guy with a near 7 foot wingspan closing in like a blur. Do you know how much your shot can be affected by length? You don't need to block a shot to affect a shot. You can contest greatly and affect shots.

[ClipperRevival]

The only way an average Joe can have some success in the NBA is if he has some decent height (6'3" or above) with pretty good athleticism AND skills. Without those, you get absolutely destroyed and embarrassed.

I'm 5'8" and pretty skilled. I know this. But I know my skills mean sh*t at the NBA level. I could do everything perfectly and still get destroyed. The difference in height/length/athleticism is too much to overcome. However, I do know that if you gave me a 6'6" body with NBA level athleticism, I know I would be able to hang at the NBA level but I don't.

[Proctor]

I have no chance of being able to keep up on defense. The only solution I can think of as to getting my shot off would be to shoot like Gilbert Arenas, the 35 footers and beyond that nobody in their right mind guards. I can make them at a fair clip, but we'd still get slaughtered.

[Rake2204]

That's a pretty big variance in pct. But you do know that the best mid-range shooters in the NBA shoot about 55% right? And you think the average Joe might reach 50%? :oldlol: GTFO here man. Seriously. You won't even get your shot up. You will seldom be wide open unless if the D decides to leave you open. And even then, you'll have a 6'6" guy with a near 7 foot wingspan closing in like a blur. Do you know how much your shot can be affected by length? You don't need to block a shot to affect a shot. You can contest greatly and affect shots.I really think kshutts is being wildly misunderstood here. This topic seems to bring about the most extreme of extremes, where either some believe they'd be able to step up and fit right in (non-sense) while others seem to believe no one would ever make a shot... ever.

I think kshutts was saying if some players with experience here ever were wide open, and legitimately wide open - not perceived to be wide open because one doesn't understand that a seven footer is closing in - that one's shooting percentage on those absolute wide open looks might be a bit more than 13%.

Shutts fully acknowledged any one of our experiences on an NBA team would be akin to an awful, terrible auto accident. He was just saying, being legitimately wide open in the NBA (again, not perceived as being wide open, but like, your defender is inexplicably 25 feet away from you wide open) wouldn't necessarily mean we miss 90% of our shots because... NBA.

Of course, none of that speaks to the number of times we'd actually get a realistically clean look (though in previous threads I've suggested we might get some simply because we'd be the weakest link ever stepping foot on the NBA hardwood - teams might be silly to treat us like real players). Also, I do believe pressure, lighting, atmosphere and conditioning would all play a role. Conditioning, in particular, could really jack with those wide open percentages. It's hard to shoot when sucking wind, even if your defender has opted to ignore you because you're awful.

Also, the best mid-range shooters in the NBA shoot 55% because they take a range of mid-range jumpers. Sometimes they're wide open, sometimes they've got a defense closing out, sometimes a defense is right in their grill, sometimes they're spotting up, sometimes they're running off screens for fallaways, etc. Shutts seemed to only be referring to what I'd guess was spot-up wide open looks, and he suggested a 30% low end number. If prime Richard Hamilton were only shooting legitimately wide-open squared up looks, I'd believe his mid-range percentage would likely be in the 70's at least.

But again, acknowledging a few of us may make a layup or jumper here or there does not mean the experience would be anything but awful.

[ClipperRevival]

I really think kshutts is being wildly misunderstood here. This topic seems to bring about the most extreme of extremes, where either some believe they'd be able to step up and fit right in (non-sense) while others seem to believe no one would ever make a shot... ever.

I think kshutts was saying if some players with experience here ever were wide open, and legitimately wide open - not perceived to be wide open because one doesn't understand that a seven footer is closing in - that one's shooting percentage on those absolute wide open looks might be a bit more than 13%.

Shutts fully acknowledged any one of our experiences on an NBA team would be akin to an awful, terrible auto accident. He was just saying, being legitimately wide open in the NBA (again, not perceived as being wide open, but like, your defender is inexplicably 25 feet away from you wide open) wouldn't necessarily mean we miss 90% of our shots because... NBA.

Of course, none of that speaks to the number of times we'd actually get a realistically clean look (though in previous threads I've suggested we might get some simply because we'd be the weakest link ever stepping foot on the NBA hardwood - teams might be silly to treat us like real players). Also, I do believe pressure, lighting, atmosphere and conditioning would all play a role. Conditioning, in particular, could really jack with those wide open percentages. It's hard to shoot when sucking wind, even if your defender has opted to ignore you because you're awful.

Yeah, but you guys are talking about situations which aren't realistic. I'm talking about reality. Like even if you are open, there will be a guy closing in very fast. And that alone affects shots. If he's not blocking it, he's going to affect it.

So why talk about the situation that isn't going to happen? Like being wide open with no one contesting?

[3ball]

you guys don't get it.

none of you guys could play more than a few minutes in an NBA game without LITERALLY COLLAPSING.

the coach would have to take us out after just a few minutes... It would be impossible for a coach to find 34 minutes for any one of us.

no one itt could even last a few minutes in a D1 college game, let alone the NBA.

OP doesn't realize how much this reveals that 1) he's never played basketball before other than in his driveway

[kshutts1]

Yup. Even when I play against a guy about 6'6" who isn't that athletic, I really need to change my game to get off any shot against someone that tall. And those guys are SGs in the NBA with much better athleticism. If a guy like Anthony Davis wanted to D me up, I would maybe get off 1 shot out of 25 attempts, let alone make any.

We have these threads all the time and what people say kind of tells me how much they actually know about the game. The guys who don't play much think it can't be that bad. The guys who do, respect the sh*t out of the talent level of the NBA and know it's just another planet in terms of talent. I mean all time greats themselves who fall off a little past their prime can be rendered a non-impact player.

The NBA game is way too fast, tall, long, explosive and athletic for the average Joe.
I know you didn't quote my post, but I was specifically talking about being WIDE OPEN for a reason.

If Nate Robinson wanted to D me up I'd run to the locker room crying. But considering the absolutely massive talent discrepancy, plus the fact that literally every other player on my team needs to be double-teamed in some respect, I don't think it's out of the question that I'd have 10-15 FEET of space at least a handful of times a game.

I've played against numerous D1 basketball players, though none from top-notch schools, nor any that had legit aspirations at the NBA. But even so, they had NBA size and, in one case, NBA talent without the athleticism or size. They were all many, many levels above me, and made me look foolish, but they were all also human. If I was open, I could still shoot over their close-out. I could (kind of) stay in front of them, though it didn't matter because I was dunked on regularly, or just shot over. But it just goes to show that the perception that NBA players are that far above a very fit, former-good-college-athlete level just has to stop.

Please don't misunderstand. I would NEVER score on an NBA player that didn't want me to. Nor would I ever stop them from scoring; it would only happen if they missed, not because I was there. But it is realistic to believe that one can be wide open enough to get off some quality shots.
Also, I never said that my presence would not be a hindrance. I said that this team that's laden with all-NBA talent would lose in the second round of the playoffs. Replace me with even a Pete Myers level player and that team wins a title easily.

So I'm admitting I'd be terrible, and it would be obvious. I just think that people need to understand that it IS possible to be wide open, and to make an open shot, even against NBA players (though not through any doing of mine; it would be a choice by the defense).

[ClipperRevival]

you guys don't get it.

none of you guys could play more than a few minutes in an NBA game without LITERALLY COLLAPSING.

the coach would have to take us out after just a few minutes... It would be impossible for a coach to find 34 minutes for any one of us.

no one itt could even last a few minutes in a D1 college game, let alone the NBA.

OP doesn't realize how much this reveals that 1) he's never played basketball before other than in his driveway

Disagree. Most of the people on this board are young men and I'm sure some of them are fit. Conditioning can be improved upon for young men. The real issue is height/length/athleticism/skills.

[Rake2204]

Yeah, but you guys are talking about situations which aren't realistic. I'm talking about reality. Like even if you are open, there will be a guy closing in very fast. And that alone affects shots. If he's not blocking it, he's going to affect it.

So why talk about the situation that isn't going to happen? Like being wide open with no one contesting?The very notion of one of us being thrown on an all-star laden NBA roster is unrealistic by default. A zany hypothetical may very well yield zany results.

Another way of looking at the idea suggested here is: what if an all-star team had to start the worst player in NBA history by a mile and play them 34 minutes a night? Answer: Shenanigans may ensue. If I were coaching the opposing team, there may be two lines of thought, and they're both somewhat extreme: virtually ignore the awful, ill-equipped player on offense and use the freed up defender to slow the four all-stars on the court, or play the fifth guy straight up and hope he touches the ball enough to induce 74 turnovers.

If it's the latter, yeah, that's going to be a problem for the terrible guy. Then again, if he's at least able to cycle the ball semi-coherently (i.e. get rid of it before something terrible happens sometimes), it might be a waste for an NBA defender to guard him as if he's an NBA player.

One way or another, just by chance and circumstance, legitimate wide open shots would happen. And at other times, semi-contested shots would happen. As another example I mentioned before, Andre Iguodala would roast any and all of us in a shootout, but there were times where Cavaliers defenders didn't even try to close out on some of his triple attempts in the Finals. They were daring a poor shooter (by NBA standards) to shoot. I'd presume they might do the same for someone who's a much worse shooter than Andre Iguodala.

[kshutts1]

Yeah, but you guys are talking about situations which aren't realistic. I'm talking about reality. Like even if you are open, there will be a guy closing in very fast. And that alone affects shots. If he's not blocking it, he's going to affect it.

So why talk about the situation that isn't going to happen? Like being wide open with no one contesting?
Nothing about this scenario is realistic. Literally.

However, if we are to assume the OP is happening, and we get forced to play 34 mpg against legit NBA teams, then it is realistic, within that admittedly unrealistic scenario, that we'd be literally ignored most of the time we were on offense. Therefore, it is realistic to assume we'd get 3-5 shot attempts per game.

We've seen professional athletes and coaches devise defensive schemes that allow LEBRON JAMES (no trolling) to shoot wide open jumpers from FIFTEEN FEET. Same with Iguodala. They are two of the ONE HUNDRED best players living. So is it really that unrealistic to say that I, one of the top 100 MILLION players living, would be dared to shoot from even FARTHER away? Like 20-25 feet? (emphasis done for... emphasizing... not yelling)

[ClipperRevival]

I know you didn't quote my post, but I was specifically talking about being WIDE OPEN for a reason.

If Nate Robinson wanted to D me up I'd run to the locker room crying. But considering the absolutely massive talent discrepancy, plus the fact that literally every other player on my team needs to be double-teamed in some respect, I don't think it's out of the question that I'd have 10-15 FEET of space at least a handful of times a game.

I've played against numerous D1 basketball players, though none from top-notch schools, nor any that had legit aspirations at the NBA. But even so, they had NBA size and, in one case, NBA talent without the athleticism or size. They were all many, many levels above me, and made me look foolish, but they were all also human. If I was open, I could still shoot over their close-out. I could (kind of) stay in front of them, though it didn't matter because I was dunked on regularly, or just shot over. But it just goes to show that the perception that NBA players are that far above a very fit, former-good-college-athlete level just has to stop.

Please don't misunderstand. I would NEVER score on an NBA player that didn't want me to. Nor would I ever stop them from scoring; it would only happen if they missed, not because I was there. But it is realistic to believe that one can be wide open enough to get off some quality shots.
Also, I never said that my presence would not be a hindrance. I said that this team that's laden with all-NBA talent would lose in the second round of the playoffs. Replace me with even a Pete Myers level player and that team wins a title easily.

So I'm admitting I'd be terrible, and it would be obvious. I just think that people need to understand that it IS possible to be wide open, and to make an open shot, even against NBA players (though not through any doing of mine; it would be a choice by the defense).

Point taken. Just curious, how tall are you?

[ClipperRevival]

The very notion of one of us being thrown on an all-star laden NBA roster is unrealistic by default. A zany hypothetical may very well yield zany results.

Another way of looking at the idea suggested here is: what if an all-star team had to start the worst player in NBA history by a mile and play them 34 minutes a night? Answer: Shenanigans may ensue. If I were coaching the opposing team, there may be two lines of thought, and they're both somewhat extreme: virtually ignore the awful, ill-equipped player on offense and use the freed up defender to slow the four all-stars on the court, or play the fifth guy straight up and hope he touches the ball enough to induce 74 turnovers.

If it's the latter, yeah, that's going to be a problem for the terrible guy. Then again, if he's at least able to cycle the ball semi-coherently (i.e. get rid of it before something terrible happens sometimes), it might be a waste for an NBA defender to guard him as if he's an NBA player.

One way or another, just by chance and circumstance, legitimate wide open shots would happen. And at other times, semi-contested shots would happen. As another example I mentioned before, Andre Iguodala would roast any and all of us in a shootout, but there were times where Cavaliers defenders didn't even try to close out on some of his triple attempts in the Finals. They were daring a poor shooter (by NBA standards) to shoot. I'd presume they might do the same for someone who's a much worse shooter than Andre Iguodala.

I see your points.

[kshutts1]

you guys don't get it.

none of you guys could play more than a few minutes in an NBA game without LITERALLY COLLAPSING.

the coach would have to take us out after just a few minutes... It would be impossible for a coach to find 34 minutes for any one of us.

no one itt could even last a few minutes in a D1 college game, let alone the NBA.

OP doesn't realize how much this reveals that 1) he's never played basketball before other than in his driveway
Also disagree. A lot of us that are actually commenting have shown in the "100 shots" thread, and through years of discussing ball, that we have been top notch, for our respective areas, players and/or still stay in good shape.

I run and lift for over an hour daily. I, literally, run most of my time at work, too. I play competitive sports. Am I in NBA shape? A resounding no. But will I, literally, collapse on the court after "a few minutes"? No.

I'd be tired after a few minutes of the pace. But with all of the time stoppages, plus not being a part of the offensive philosophy, and thus most likely standing around on O, I'd have plenty of time to rest. I'd be even worse than useless at the end of my allotted minutes, as my legs wouldn't provide any lift or push at all. But that's just in the first few games. We'd adapt, and get in to shape, as the season wore on. I'd never be Richard Hamilton or John Havlicek, but I'd also never literally collapse unless I was stupid enough to take a charge from Demarcus Cousins.

[kshutts1]

Point taken. Just curious, how tall are you?
6'1, 180. Very out of shape for my standards. Normally 175 and a lot more cut (though not extremely so).

[Rake2204]

you guys don't get it.

none of you guys could play more than a few minutes in an NBA game without LITERALLY COLLAPSING.

the coach would have to take us out after just a few minutes... It would be impossible for a coach to find 34 minutes for any one of us.

no one itt could even last a few minutes in a D1 college game, let alone the NBA.

OP doesn't realize how much this reveals that 1) he's never played basketball before other than in his drivewayI think you may have taken it a little bit to the extreme - the idea of lasting a few minutes in a DI college game isn't that much of a stretch for some of the players with legit experience on this board - but I still believe your general point remains. I think the pace, speed, and duration of an NBA game tends to get a bit underrated.

I'd have to wonder what would happen to us the first time there's four consecutive possessions during an NBA game that last 17 seconds or less and lead to a transition the other way. TV makes it seem like a lot of these guys are jogging or not moving swiftly, but that's not a pace most of us are accustomed to working with, particularly when effort is expected in all facets of the game, as opposed to getting by during pick-up games by picking one's spots.

Also, it's a little weird playing with a 24-second shot clock for most of us. I played with a 22-second shot clock at one point and it was a strange experience. For 98% of the population, catching one's breath, picking spots, and waiting for the best shot are things that can be worked in to a game. In the NBA, you've got about 20 seconds, at best, to make something happen once that ball hits midcourt.


I'd be tired after a few minutes of the pace. But with all of the time stoppages, plus not being a part of the offensive philosophy, and thus most likely standing around on O, I'd have plenty of time to rest. I'd be even worse than useless at the end of my allotted minutes, as my legs wouldn't provide any lift or push at all. But that's just in the first few games. We'd adapt, and get in to shape, as the season wore on. I'd never be Richard Hamilton or John Havlicek, but I'd also never literally collapse unless I was stupid enough to take a charge from Demarcus Cousins.I admit I'm a little curious how people's bodies would adjust if they were absolutely forced to play 34 minutes a night. I would bet many would break down in lieu of adjusting and acclimating.

Separately, I'm guessing this comment could catch me some flak, but I've never really cowered at the notion of taking a charge from an NBA center. I recall seeing Shaquille O'Neal pancake someone once (that is, the guy took a charge then had O'Neal literally fall on top of his body) and that would be the absolute worst but otherwise, a guy taking a charge the right way usually has the opportunity to allow that energy to transfer through your body as you give way and fall backward. It can still hurt, but it's nothing comparable to, say, letting O'Neal run into me at full speed while I was standing up against a brick wall (i.e. with nowhere for my body to go).

[Achilleas]

champions ,i will pick curry
i will only screen on offence and play def like delly try to injure other players :lol

[ClipperRevival]

6'1, 180. Very out of shape for my standards. Normally 175 and a lot more cut (though not extremely so).

Oh, you're not THAT tall. I always like to ask how tall a guy is whenever he claims he played at a high level because if you are pretty tall (6'6" or above), you play at a high level by default because of your height. So that doesn't necessarily mean they are very skilled or know the game.

It's more impressive to be shorter and have to earn your way amongst the trees. That's harder to do and you have to go into your bag of tricks/skills to get it done. And that also requires using your head like anticipation, vision, feel for the game, etc.

[ClipperRevival]

I think you may have taken it a little bit to the extreme - the idea of lasting a few minutes in a DI college game isn't that much of a stretch for some of the players with legit experience on this board - but I still believe your general point remains. I think the pace, speed, and duration of an NBA game tends to get a bit underrated.

I'd have to wonder what would happen to us the first time there's four consecutive possessions during an NBA game that last 17 seconds or less and lead to a transition the other way. TV makes it seem like a lot of these guys are jogging or not moving swiftly, but that's not a pace most of us are accustomed to working with, particularly when effort is expected in all facets of the game, as opposed to getting by during pick-up games by picking one's spots.

Also, it's a little weird playing with a 24-second shot clock for most of us. I played with a 22-second shot clock at one point and it was a strange experience. For 98% of the population, catching one's breath, picking spots, and waiting for the best shot are things that can be worked in to a game. In the NBA, you've got about 20 seconds, at best, to make something happen once that ball hits midcourt.

Same question for your. How all are you and what was the highest level you played?

[HurricaneKid]

Hence my mention of being wide open. Did you miss those mentions? Just because you don't know when you are, and are not, being covered, does not mean that others could not have more awareness of such things. I'm not saying I'd never be surprised by their size and length and quickness, but I'd certainly adapt.

Also, all due respect, but if you're "6'6 with a high release" and your shot gets tossed back that easily, I question many things about your game and, again, general awareness.

I didn't say easily. He probably shouldn't have jumped and if he did it again I would have the understanding that he COULD cover that much ground and would either shoot quicker or go around him if he left the ground. The point was, the athleticism is pretty jarring if he haven't had exposure to it.

I was actually complimenting your awareness. I thought you were the one video I saw on the 100 shot challenge that had any clue what he was doing.

Being wide open means different things at different levels. And I'm here to tell you at the highest levels you still don't have the time to gather than most here would be comfortable with, present company excluded (maybe).

But its pretty clear you haven't been exposed to as high a level as I initially thought. "I'd certainly adapt" is not an option. When people are stronger, taller, and faster than you are there are no adjustments you can make. And the gaps between the majority of this community and the NBA are enormous.

I played in a summer invite game that had ~20 years worth of future NBA careers, several international professional players and a LOT of BCS league D1 players. I almost gave up the game because I just couldn't do the things everyone else was doing. Ended up playing a little small time college ball but never again had any thoughts about playing at a professional level.

[Rake2204]

Same question for your. How all are you and what was the highest level you played?6'4'', IBL reject.

Edit: 6'3'' bare foot. 6'4'' by glorious NBA standards.

[ClipperRevival]

6'4'', IBL reject.

Edit: 6'3'' bare foot. 6'4'' by glorious NBA standards.

Reject as in you tried out but never made it? Or reject as in you made the league and was cut shortly after? Or something else?

[BoutPractice]

ClipperRevival > Well, to be fair, as a 6'6 guy who played both SF and PF I'd say that depends on the position you play. If you're a 6'6+ center and didn't face good competition it's possible you got by on size alone… But if you play the perimeter you still need perimeter skills, starting with a jumpshot… and other skills you need like ballhandling are actually more difficult for you because of your height. I would rarely try to beat small guys with the dribble… I'd post up the small ones and draw the big ones to the perimeter (which I guess made me a tweener, though I preferred to think of it as having an 'inside/outside game' :lol ). But still, when practicing I had to do all the perimeter drills with the small guys and be able to fit in… Then after practice I'd do 1 on 1 with them and make a point of trying to beat them with perimeter skills instead of using my height, just for fun.

To go back to the question of whether you could hit a wide open shot, of course you could (not talking about average joes here, but non NBA players with enough basketball in them). And most likely they would leave you wide open, playing the statistics and just plain common sense - they would dare you to shoot. But each time you shot it you would be hurting your team because it would be by far the worst option, which the highest chance of resulting in a wasted possession.

This thread needs videos, I think… We're talking in the abstract, forgetting what an actual basketball possession looks like.

[kshutts1]

I didn't say easily. He probably shouldn't have jumped and if he did it again I would have the understanding that he COULD cover that much ground and would either shoot quicker or go around him if he left the ground. The point was, the athleticism is pretty jarring if he haven't had exposure to it.

I was actually complimenting your awareness. I thought you were the one video I saw on the 100 shot challenge that had any clue what he was doing.

Being wide open means different things at different levels. And I'm here to tell you at the highest levels you still don't have the time to gather than most here would be comfortable with, present company excluded (maybe).

But its pretty clear you haven't been exposed to as high a level as I initially thought. "I'd certainly adapt" is not an option. When people are stronger, taller, and faster than you are there are no adjustments you can make. And the gaps between the majority of this community and the NBA are enormous.

I played in a summer invite game that had ~20 years worth of future NBA careers, several international professional players and a LOT of BCS league D1 players. I almost gave up the game because I just couldn't do the things everyone else was doing. Ended up playing a little small time college ball but never again had any thoughts about playing at a professional level.
I apologize for the misunderstanding.

For bolded points 1 and 3, they are in direct conflict with one another. You mentioned that that episode taught you something, and that next time you would handle the situation differently. Then you go on to say that adapting is not an option. Which is it?

And for point 2, thank you, but I think you may have me confused with someone else. At least I didn't think I posted anything worthy of praise. I was impressed by Rake's shooting and by LilOJMayo, though I think the latter is full of it.

As for the level I played, the highest level of organized basketball I played was HS. Leading scorer in the all-star game my senior year.

In college, I never tried out for the team, but I played pickup literally 4-8 hours a day (I was not a good student), and the talent there was good. My particular college was one of the best D3 colleges in the nation. A few of the members of the coaching staff for our basketball team, against whom I played, were record-setting players at their respective lower-echelon D1 programs, and a few guys from the area that played at D1 colleges like Canisius came to my college and played regularly.

So while my organized career was very short, post-HS I played a lot more, got a lot better, a lot more in shape, and played against significantly better competition. And it's all subjective, but even in college, against that competition, I was regularly one of the five best guys in the gym on any given day.

[Rake2204]

Reject as in you tried out but never made it? Or reject as in you made the league and was cut shortly after? Or something else?Tried out as a point guard, which I insisted upon (kind of hilarious in hindsight but I had something to prove, would have probably gone a lot smoother as a two or three, or whatever led me to not having to guard 5'10'' semi-pro jitterbugs), tested well physically (speed, vert, etc), just missed final cut (I know, likely story). I was an all-conference NAIA prospect coming out of high school - the private types of institutions. Nothing major, but enough for me to be proud of.

I'm not entirely certain as to what that all has to do with the topic at hand though, particularly considering my repeated admission that any of us filling an NBA roster spot would be an absolute train wreck (unless you were just legitimately curious, at which point, no problem there). Really, the only thing I've challenged thus far is the notion that we'd suddenly lose the ability to make legitimately wide open jumpshots. I think BoutPractice probably hit the nail on its head in that regard:


To go back to the question of whether you could hit a wide open shot, of course you could. And most likely they would leave you wide open, playing the statistics and just plain common sense. But each time you shot it you would be hurting your team because it would be by far the worst option, which the highest chance of resulting in a wasted possession.

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]ClipperRevival > Well, to be fair, as a 6'6 guy who played both SF and PF I'd say that depends on the position you play. If you're a 6'6+ center and didn't face good competition it's possible you got by on size alone

[BoutPractice]

By the way, when it comes to athleticism, it's not always about facing bigger/faster/stronger superhumans.

I've played against a couple professionals including a future NBA player. But I've also played against athletic freaks who I thought beat them in that department, yet never made it… their actual basketball skills were lacking.

What separated the NBA player was the quick reflexes. Probably the most underrated element of scouting… those who don't have ultra quick reflexes just can't keep up. Even if, like the guy in my avatar, their game is based on slowing things down, they can only do that because they're confident they can react in time to whatever the defense throws at them.

Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and plenty of others often played a game that seemed "nonchalant", as if they were ignoring the defense. They could afford to because they knew that if the defense started reaching they would get beat in an instant. Compare with JaVale McGee, a guy who won the generic lottery except for the very important fact that his brain is just a step slow compared to his body. He can get to the other side of the court in 2 seconds… but the wrong side.

[ClipperRevival]

Tried out as a point guard, which I insisted upon (kind of hilarious in hindsight but I had something to prove, would have probably gone a lot smoother as a two or three, or whatever led me to not having to guard 5'10'' semi-pro jitterbugs), tested well physically (speed, vert, etc), just missed final cut (I know, likely story). I was an all-conference NAIA prospect coming out of high school - the private types of institutions. Nothing major, but enough for me to be proud of.

I'm not entirely certain as to what that all has to do with the topic at hand though, particularly considering my repeated admission that any of us filling an NBA roster spot would be an absolute train wreck (unless you were just legitimately curious, as which point, no problem there). Really, the only thing I've challenged thus far is the notion that we'd suddenly lose the ability to make legitimately wide open jumpshots. I think BoutPractice probably hit the nail on its head in that regard:

Cool. Yeah, I was just curious.

[ClipperRevival]

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]By the way, when it comes to athleticism, it's not always about facing bigger/faster/stronger superhumans.

I've played against a couple professionals including a future NBA player. But I've also played against athletic freaks who I thought beat them in that department, yet never made it

[Rake2204]

Cool. Yeah, I was just curious.Good stuff. Apologies if I came across a little harsh.


By the way, when it comes to athleticism, it's not always about facing bigger/faster/stronger superhumans.

I've played against a couple professionals including a future NBA player. But I've also played against athletic freaks who I thought beat them in that department, yet never made it… their actual basketball skills were lacking.

What separated the NBA player was the quick reflexes. Probably the most underrated element of scouting… those who don't have ultra quick reflexes just can't keep up. Even if, like the guy in my avatar, their game is based on slowing things down, they can only do that because they're confident they can react in time to whatever the defense throws at them.

Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and plenty of others often played a game that seemed "nonchalant", as if they were ignoring the defense. They could afford to because they knew that if the defense started reaching they would get beat in an instant.A good amount of truth here. I'm not sure if it just comes down to reflexes, but surely it's about much more than shear athleticism and height. I do think winning the genetic lottery gives a player a huge head start though, whether that be in the form of ungodly height (6'8'' and up), ungodly length (6'2'' with a 6'10'' wingspan), or ungodly natural athletic sharpness (folks who seem to be able to rise 35 inches off the ground with minimal exercise).

Otherwise, I've played against a pretty eclectic mix of players over the years, including a handful of NBA guys, and there seems to be an interesting range of what they did to "make it". For instance, I recall playing against Charlie Bell and thinking he was relatively unspectacular in terms of the "oo's" and "ah's" type of stuff one might expect from an NBA point guard playing in a non-NBA setting. However, one suddenly realizes that he just does a lot of normal things quickly, strongly, and perfectly more times than every other player does, with small exhaling puffs of exertion each time he executed a routine move at full speed (almost like he was lifting weights) because he did everything at full effort, all the time.

I won't say Charlie Bell was fundamentally perfect, because no one is, but it was more along the lines of realizing "Oh, well, he's pretty much made the right decision every time down the court all night and he knows how to execute at a supreme level." I'd almost describe it as sneaky dominant. Sometimes, it certainly is about the little things that separate guys like Bell from those who may have been athletically superior but lacking in his quest for perfection.

[Kblaze8855]

you guys don't get it.

none of you guys could play more than a few minutes in an NBA game without LITERALLY COLLAPSING.

I dont think you get the human body if you think anyone in moderate shape collapses playing the kind of ball that we would be asked to play.

Ive known and played with several of people on an NBA level...athletic ability wise. There are many thousands. The NBA player I spent the most time around(Shammond Williams) was hardly the best athlete or best conditioned guy around. Hell he gets kinda chubby at times. His brother Fluff(Alfred Williams...coach at Xavier of Louisiana now) used to run circles around him athletically.

But one of them is the best shooter I ever saw and the other hung out with my younger cousins and never worked like his brother. Shammond isnt close to being the best conditioned basketball player I know. And Merl Code wasnt either...played Dleague, a lot of summer league, and briefly made the Nuggets in the preseason. He was on some rosters but never checked into a game...but he was roughly low end nba level as are many more people than actually make it.

None of the best athletes I know are the guys who made the NBA or got close. The most hard working guys I know are. Im sure the people on ISH sitting around eating cookies and talking shit online arent ready from an athletic point of view to do all that running and bumping....

But there are people who arent gonna collapse in minutes playing zone d and getting out of the way on offense.

There are people on ISH who have proven that they played college ball. The difference betwee nthat...and what they would be asked to do(once again...NOT playing legit NBA ball) is not enough that they just collapse onto the floor.

They arent out there getting bodied trying to go to the basket, or running through screens set by Zach Randolph, and trying to keep Westbrook in front of them and chasing him to recover.

We arent talking about real nba ball.

Nobody but you seem to think they are being asked to step in for Kyrie Irving and play a real role.

It would be more draining trying to play top level soccer and keep up than trying to play NBA ball and stay out of the way.

You might actually collapse playing soccer with 45 minute halves and no real breaks if you arent used to it.

3 point line to 3 point line adjusting for getting out of the way on offense?

What exactly do you think makes a normal man collapse? Where do you expect the physicality to come into play when someone is being intentionally marginalized and not playing serious ball?

You are assuming we are doing way more than anyone would let us do in such an absurd situation.

[Clifton]

When I was in college, Deron Washington, a 2nd-rd draft pick who didn't make the L, but who was like 6-8 and a defensive force, matched up with me in a short pickup game for fun. I don't think he played at above 10% effort level the whole time, with 2 exceptions (see below). (Everyone else in the game was an intramural player - maybe a few former varsity starters, mostly bench riders like me.)

It was fun, I remember it well. I passed the ball the second it touched my hands, I got low on D so that my face was at the level of his stomach and paid no attention to what his hands were doing. Played it very safe. One time he decided he wanted to take the ball away from me, and he did. One time he decided he wanted to score on me and he did. I had no chance either time.

But I hit 2/3 on jumpers in a game to 11 over his closeouts. One of the makes was altered.

That experience leads me to think that several of us here, me included (and I'm not a top-20 player on this forum I bet), being totally neglected on defense so they can double Durant and trap Curry, would be able to make 2 or 3 wide-open shots per game on average, even over an athletic closeout. Unless, like as other say, we pass out from exhaustion.

[ClipperRevival]

Good stuff. Apologies if I came across a little harsh.

A good amount of truth here. I'm not sure if it just comes down to reflexes, but surely it's about much more than shear athleticism and height. I do think winning the genetic lottery gives a player a huge head start though, whether that be in the form of ungodly height (6'8'' and up), ungodly length (6'2'' with a 6'10'' wingspan), or ungodly natural athletic sharpness (folks who seem to be able to rise 35 inches off the ground with minimal exercise).

Otherwise, I've played against a pretty eclectic mix of players over the years, including a handful of NBA guys, and there seems to be an interesting range of what they did to "make it". For instance, I recall playing against Charlie Bell and thinking he was relatively unspectacular in terms of the "oo's" and "ah's" type of stuff one might expect from an NBA point guard playing in a non-NBA setting. However, one suddenly realizes that he just does a lot of normal things quickly, strongly, and perfectly more times than every other player does, with small exhaling puffs of exertion each time he executed a routine move at full speed (almost like he was lifting weights) because he did everything at full effort, all the time.

I won't say Charlie Bell was fundamentally perfect, because no one is, but it was more along the lines of realizing "Oh, well, he's pretty much made the right decision every time down the court all night and he knows how to execute at a supreme level." I'd almost describe it as sneaky dominant. Sometimes, it certainly is about the little things that separate guys like Bell from those who may have been athletically superior but lacking in his quest for perfection.

You add in the superior coordination, reflexes, quickness, fluidity and the agility to go along with the repetition and the pros have their moves down like second nature. They are "professionals", so they can work on their games every day for hours (unlike the rest of us who have to work 40 hours a week). Most pros know exactly what they want to do at a certain part of the court. My game hasn't gotten down to that level but I can completely envision it being like that for pros.

[Kblaze8855]

I...would not.

I wouldnt shoot at all unless not taking the shot would be news worthy or a violation. It would take me standing uncontested....with the other team staring at me from 10 feet away as my teammates insist I shoot...for me to pull the trigger.

I gotta think Steph or Durant with a hand in the face for 3 is more likely making it than me wide open from 18 feet.

I couldnt shoot even when I was in game shape. Id know my role and stick to it.

Take as little off the table as possible while adding nothing to it.

Id do my best on defense if called on...but really...who is gonna call on me to go stick someone for real?

[jongib369]

I wouldn't be able to for 5 minutes today XD

Anyways, give me two years where I could possibly play the minutes I'd kill my teams chances...But not without putting up a fight

I'd like to think of myself as competitive, plus I've got a surprising resistance to pain when it comes to getting elbowed, hit in the face by someone's shoulder driving etc so I'm not afraid of contact. I'd be as "scrappy" for someone my size can be against them

No idea what my actual BMI is, but it's probably around 25. 5'9(Or a hair below), 180, 6'1 wingspan, 7'7 or 8 standing reach.



Took the first at my friends house while they went out real quick...Not sure why I tried taking it like this, had to bend at the knees...Fail :roll:

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Beta height, beta hands, alpha wingspan, alpha...:pimp:




Strength is the only area I'd come close, or beat some around my size. After about 4-5months of deadlifting at 175, I got it up to 325 1 rep max this year....Coming off an injury not doing jack since 2010... Had some glorious Chicken legs to say the least lol. Stephen Curry does a special kind of deadlift at a 1 rep maxof 400...Roy Hibbert the same at about 500 I believe...So I wouldn't be a complete joke, in two years I can pass that or matxh it at least....so in all, Id hussle, get bloody, and scored on every damn time. But I'd give it a go just because of how great of an expierence it would be.

:cheers:

[HurricaneKid]

I apologize for the misunderstanding.

For bolded points 1 and 3, they are in direct conflict with one another. You mentioned that that episode taught you something, and that next time you would handle the situation differently. Then you go on to say that adapting is not an option. Which is it?

And for point 2, thank you, but I think you may have me confused with someone else. At least I didn't think I posted anything worthy of praise. I was impressed by Rake's shooting and by LilOJMayo, though I think the latter is full of it.

As for the level I played, the highest level of organized basketball I played was HS. Leading scorer in the all-star game my senior year.

In college, I never tried out for the team, but I played pickup literally 4-8 hours a day (I was not a good student), and the talent there was good. My particular college was one of the best D3 colleges in the nation. A few of the members of the coaching staff for our basketball team, against whom I played, were record-setting players at their respective lower-echelon D1 programs, and a few guys from the area that played at D1 colleges like Canisius came to my college and played regularly.

So while my organized career was very short, post-HS I played a lot more, got a lot better, a lot more in shape, and played against significantly better competition. And it's all subjective, but even in college, against that competition, I was regularly one of the five best guys in the gym on any given day.

When you aren't able to do what you want and are always trying to adjust to what the insanely quick, long, athletic players are doing, you really can't even be on the floor at that point. And the adjustments you have to make grow exponentially as the gap increases. Can you not shoot 3s when 7'ers are under the basket when you see them right before you catch the ball, sure. But if those are the adjustments you are making its not going to go well. You can't play when you are at a deficit like that.

LilOJ was like 5' flat and had the slowest release ever. I don't even let my middle school AAU kids shoot like that. Great form and good accuracy but if your release is that slow and you aren't significantly taller thats just not good enough.

I thought you were the one that uploaded a set shooting outside on a double rim. Whoever that was had a nice motion, a quick release and was VERY accurate. You don't just look to see if the ball goes in. You have to look at the whole process. The entire motion is what is important. I can look at that and tell you exactly how good a shooter someone is. Reggie Miller notwithstanding.

I played D3 ball until an injury ended my career. Got recruited to play D2 but didn't want to go to school there. Mine was a good program as well. And I would devour pick up games like the ones you are talking about. But the Jump to major D1, then again to NBA is beyond remarkable. I wish you could have played 1 game to 15 against the kind of athleticism I'm talking about.

NBA teams now attack weak links. Golden State was paying DLee 15M and he is still a really useful offensive player. But teams would put him in the PnR every time on the other side of the ball and he couldn't play anymore.

Offensively it is what it is. No one here, probably Rake included, could dribble more than twice against a guy like Kawhi.

[sdot_thadon]

I'd probably be like fisher in his last okc year, I'd hurt the team playing 34 minutes but I'd bust my but out there. Spot up on offense and hopefully not get coach fired by fouling out on defense. I'd loathe having to guard steph, westbrook etc.

[StephHamann]

I would start a malice at the palace and get the whole team suspended, done no chance for a title.

[artificial]

If I manage to foul out during the 1st quarter every game, the team should do good. And that would probably be the closest I could do to contribute.

[SpanishACB]

this would of been a cool thread if people didn't take it as a chance to tell us uninteresting lies about their shitty lifes

[Clifton]

I...would not.

I wouldnt shoot at all unless not taking the shot would be news worthy or a violation. It would take me standing uncontested....with the other team staring at me from 10 feet away as my teammates insist I shoot...for me to pull the trigger.

I gotta think Steph or Durant with a hand in the face for 3 is more likely making it than me wide open from 18 feet.
Are you a defensive SF-PF type of player normally? Step in at center if you're playing with shorter people?

Some people just can't shoot that well. Often guys who were bigger than everyone else growing up never quite figure out how to knock down shots.

I was shorter and skinnier than everyone else growing up. Then between 10th grade and 12th grade I grew from ~5'6 to 6'1. But for most of my semi-competitive basketball career, I used screens to get open for 3s and that was it. Otherwise I wasn't getting on the court. So now I'm a 6'1 guy with a quick release.