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dazzer87

09-03-2015, 04:28 PM

lebron >>> mj attacking the basket

nice video though
http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/epic-fail-lebron-fail.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4903869/lebron-james-layup-airball-o.gif

Rose'sACL

09-03-2015, 04:29 PM

lebron >>> mj attacking the basket

nice video though
this.

nice video though.

OldSchoolBBall

09-03-2015, 04:42 PM

lol @ people acting like Jordan doesn't have a case over Bron as the best finisher of all time. In his prime years dude was finishing at like 73+% at the rim in an era where the paint was more crowded, there was far more physicality allowed, and there were many more legit shotblockers inside waiting for him. GTFO with that noise. :roll:

Indian guy

09-03-2015, 05:07 PM

In his prime years dude was finishing at like 73+% at the rim

That's not an accurate stat at all. It's merely the percentage from MJ's best games(the ones available on the internet) during 2-3 of his peak years(90-92), posted by PHILA on this board and realgm. We do have the stats for LeBron on the other hand, and he shot 75% at-rim from 2009-2014, which is a number that simply boggles the mind considering defenses are always playing him for the drive first. What's even more amazing is that none of the other great wings of his era are even remotely close to LeBron's efficiency at the rim. His peers are only Howard and Shaq.

OldSchoolBBall

09-03-2015, 05:25 PM

That's not an accurate stat at all. It's merely the percentage from MJ's best games(the ones available on the internet) during 2-3 of his peak years(90-92), posted by PHILA on this board and realgm. We do have the stats for LeBron on the other hand, and he shot 75% at-rim from 2009-2014, which is a number that simply boggles the mind considering defenses are always playing him for the drive first. What's even more amazing is that none of the other great wings of his era are even remotely close to LeBron's efficiency at the rim. His peers are only Howard and Shaq.

A) '90-'92 were likely not even Jordan's peak finishing years. That would probably be '87-'90.

B) Teams play Lebron for the drive, but that doesn't change any of the facts I noted (lane far more open, far fewer shotblockers inside, far less physicality compared to what Jordan faced). The difference is night and day when you watch the games.

senelcoolidge

09-03-2015, 05:26 PM

I don't think I've seen a player have the body control MJ had..definitely no one that has played since he came into the league. He was so focused.

90sgoat

09-03-2015, 06:27 PM

Lebron is a bull in a china shop.

Least co-ordinated 'superstar' ever.

mehyaM24

09-03-2015, 06:53 PM

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/epic-fail-lebron-fail.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4903869/lebron-james-layup-airball-o.gif

anybody can post a few random mishaps from lebron and jordan.

here's jordan looking like a scrub:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2015/YIBN2X.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2015/L9zeqD.gif

:oldlol:

fact is, lebron converts at a higher rate around the rim. dude is the most unstoppable player when he decides to attack the basket, with defenses laying waste at his mercy

http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.element/media/2.0/teamsites/heat/images/131220-jamesdunk.gif

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyo4paS2bY1qkz2y2.gif

http://static3.businessinsider.com/image/51b5f6feeab8eacb64000022/lebron-jason-terry-dunk-gif.gif

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4032439/lenose.gif

look at all these dunks - in traffic, on multiple players. lebron with a head of steam = goat terror

plowking

09-03-2015, 07:03 PM

B) Teams play Lebron for the drive, but that doesn't change any of the facts I noted (lane far more open, far fewer shotblockers inside, far less physicality compared to what Jordan faced). The difference is night and day when you watch the games.

Teams are so much more physical, and allowed to be more physical with Bron, that it isn't funny. You Jordan fans show a bunch of clips of Jordan getting hit and act like it is getting hit by a brick wall.
Bron is out there getting Shaq treatment ever since 2009. Seriously. Check a game thread or two. Even his biggest critics can see this guy gets smacked around like nobody else in history outside of Shaq.
The pure talk around him should be enough to tell you that. Anyone else notice how the arguments have gone from "he gets all the calls!" to "well, sure he gets smacked, but he uses his elbow/stiff arm so much!". Even his biggest detractors can't deny it anymore.

catch24

09-03-2015, 07:15 PM

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/4032439/lenose.gif

look at all these dunks - in traffic, on multiple players. lebron with a head of steam = goat terror

:biggums:

One of my favorite dunks from LeBron. Dude gets hit in the nose and still yams it Ibaka's grill. Crazy as hell.

Megabox!

09-03-2015, 07:22 PM

LBJ > MJ going to the basket.

juju151111

09-03-2015, 07:32 PM

LJ is bigger yet he avgs less dunks then MJ per season :roll:

3ball

09-03-2015, 07:37 PM

lebron with a head of steam = goat terror

Exactly - Lebron needs a running start/full head of steam to finish like MJ - Lebron can't finish like Jordan after CHANGING DIRECTION:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2015/GD88B1.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/ZGUxyC.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/A8fnJo.gif

Or off a straight-vert:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/9w9sNm.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/GZNuNw.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/zC5nUD.gif

Since Lebron can't finish as strong as MJ after changing direction or off a straight vertical, MJ is the FAR superior finisher at the rim.. This is especially true considering his huge hands and touch around the rim was unmatched for a wing player, outside of Dr. J.
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SHAQisGOAT

09-03-2015, 07:40 PM

Thing of beauty :applause: :bowdown:

GOAT finisher. :bowdown:

I'd go with Dr J but Jordan easily has a great case...

3ball

09-03-2015, 07:58 PM

I'd go with Dr J as best finisher at the rim, but Jordan easily has a great case...

For wing players, Dr. J and MJ stand alone.

Other wing players are nowhere near these guys, particularly if they can't jump well off two feet, or off a straight vertical (no dribbles), or after changing directions.

This is especially true for anyone that played during the 3-point era, where the 3-point shooting/spacing has drawn defenders out to the perimeter, while defensive 3 seconds "opens up the game", according to the NBA.

diamenz

09-03-2015, 09:30 PM

attacking today's basket is a joke when comparing it to old school packed paints.

aw fak i fed the trolls.

ClipperRevival

09-08-2015, 01:27 PM

Thing of beauty :applause: :bowdown:

I'd go with Dr J but Jordan easily has a great case...

Depends how we define "finisher". If we are just talking about the moment of contact and what you do with it, Doc was up there with MJ because both had the ability to absorb contact, hang in the air, hold it with one hand and get a shot off while coming down. Both could also finish over the top of bigs and also were devastating on the baseline and coming up on the other side of the basket.

But if we broaden the term and include what you do within 10 feet from the basket, it's MJ and I don't think there is much debate because while Doc was a glider sort of like Clyde Drexler, MJ could not only glide but could also shorten his steps and slither his way through traffic with his hop steps and change directions with his quickness within the paint. That made him noticeably more lethal and more efficient in the paint. Also, Doc was a one footed leaper while MJ was lethal jumping off one or two feet.

ClipperRevival

09-08-2015, 01:29 PM

LBJ > MJ going to the basket.

The only advantage Bron had was if you gave him a head of steam or when he turned the corner and had a couple of steps to get going. Everything else, MJ better. MJ actually did things Bron could never do.

dubeta

09-08-2015, 01:32 PM

. MJ actually did things Bron could never do.

Like what exactly? Lose repeatedly in the 1st round without a top 25 GOAT?

KembaWalker

09-08-2015, 01:38 PM

Like what exactly? Lose repeatedly in the 1st round without a top 25 GOAT?

Nah just undefeated in the Finals, nothing major

ralph_i_el

09-08-2015, 01:39 PM

Lebron is a bull in a china shop.

Least co-ordinated 'superstar' ever.

He's probably the most coordinated 260lb+ player of all time

ClipperRevival

09-08-2015, 01:41 PM

Like what exactly? Lose repeatedly in the 1st round without a top 25 GOAT?

* Ability to hold the ball with one hand (Hope you understand how this can be advantageous in basketball)
* Ability to quickly change directions in the paint and exploit openings in the D
* Adding to the point above, after getting to a spot that's favorable to take off, quickly gather and explode off two feet
* Ability to "hang" in the air and finish a play while on the way down
* Adding to point above, this allowed him to jump from one side of the baseline and finish on the other end
* Ability to jump off one or two feet within a confined area quickly
* Ability to absorb contact and gather midair and still get off a good shot

robby712

09-08-2015, 01:42 PM

Exactly - Lebron needs a running start/full head of steam to finish like MJ - Lebron can't finish like Jordan after CHANGING DIRECTION:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2015/GD88B1.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/ZGUxyC.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/A8fnJo.gif

Or off a straight-vert:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/9w9sNm.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/GZNuNw.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/zC5nUD.gif

Since Lebron can't finish as strong as MJ after changing direction or off a straight vertical, MJ is the FAR superior finisher at the rim.. This is especially true considering his huge hands and touch around the rim was unmatched for a wing player, outside of Dr. J.
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Of course James can't change direction like Jordan, he's ****ing 6'9'' and 250 lb while Jordan was 6'6'' and 190 lb. Prime LeBron was faster tough.
Anyway, if we are speaking about getting to the rim at will and finishing, for me, Jordan, Dr J, LeBron and Wade are in a different class then the rest of guys.

ClipperRevival

09-08-2015, 01:48 PM

Of course James can't change direction like Jordan, he's ****ing 6'9'' and 250 lb while Jordan was 6'6'' and 190 lb. Prime LeBron was faster tough.
Anyway, if we are speaking about getting to the rim at will and finishing, for me, Jordan, Dr J, LeBron and Wade are in a different class then the rest of guys.

And that difference in quickness made MJ more dangerous and lethal in the paint. He could do whatever the situation called for once he got into the paint. Bron was a head of steam kind of guy. But if you didn't give him that, he was a limited finisher.

robby712

09-08-2015, 01:52 PM

And that difference in quickness made MJ more dangerous and lethal in the paint. He could do whatever the situation called for once he got into the paint. Bron was a head of steam kind of guy. But if you didn't give him that, he was a limited finisher.

More dangerous regarding getting where he wanted yes, but if we are talking finishing at the rim, then strength comes into play. Lebron is the best at finishing with contact. Hell, I've seen him hit in the head, pulled down, wrapt around and still getting the bucket. Go watch the 2012 finals, he was ridiculous.

ClipperRevival

09-08-2015, 01:59 PM

More dangerous regarding getting where he wanted yes, but if we are talking finishing at the rim, then strength comes into play. Lebron is the best at finishing with contact. Hell, I've seen him hit in the head, pulled down, wrapt around and still getting the bucket. Go watch the 2012 finals, he was ridiculous.

That's such a limited definition. For instance, if Kyrie didn't have an amazing ability to break down defenders with his iso skills and handles, he wouldn't even be getting to the rim as often. To me, finishing isn't just about getting to the rim, it's about what you do to get there. How you are able to exploit the D and find openings in it. Not just when you have a clear head of steam to work with. A lot of guys can finish well when you give them a head of steam. What do you do the other 90% of the time when nothing is there and you have to find the openings?

AirFederer

09-08-2015, 02:39 PM

Exactly - Lebron needs a running start/full head of steam to finish like MJ - Lebron can't finish like Jordan after CHANGING DIRECTION:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-03-2015/GD88B1.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/ZGUxyC.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/A8fnJo.gif

Or off a straight-vert:

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/9w9sNm.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/GZNuNw.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/zC5nUD.gif

Since Lebron can't finish as strong as MJ after changing direction or off a straight vertical, MJ is the FAR superior finisher at the rim.. This is especially true considering his huge hands and touch around the rim was unmatched for a wing player, outside of Dr. J.
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ralph_i_el

09-08-2015, 03:01 PM

90sgoat

09-08-2015, 03:59 PM

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Archie Luxury represent.

And MJ is the best ever at finishing with contact, saying otherwise is insane. Lebron for all his athletic prowess is actually mostly a below the rim finisher with layups. Lebron hardly dunks unless he can get his 1-2-3 straight line from the free throw line.