Bernie Sanders Interview with MSNBC

[sammichoffate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCSnWL3Der0
She tried to bait him into attack Hillary SO many times, he just tells her off at 3:58 :lebronamazed: . He focuses on actual issues, I feel really bad that he doesn't get any exposure compared to Trump or Hillary. Seems like a really solid candidate even though some of his proposals might not be ideal.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCSnWL3Der0
She tried to bait him into attack Hillary SO many times, he just tells her off at 3:58 :lebronamazed: . He focuses on actual issues, I feel really bad that he doesn't get any exposure compared to Trump or Hillary. Seems like a really solid candidate even though some of his proposals might not be ideal.


I think you're on to something.

[kNIOKAS]

I think you're on to something.
OK what's that you disagree with? Care to be specific?

[NumberSix]

OK what's that you disagree with? Care to be specific?
The funny thing is that, as far left as Bernie is, he's actually pretty pro-gun and anti illegal immigration. I'd best most people on the left don't even know that.

[9erempiree]

He doesn't look very Presidential to me.

[dude77]

The funny thing is that, as far left as Bernie is, he's actually pretty pro-gun and anti illegal immigration. I'd best most people on the left don't even know that.

I don't know about guns but he doesn't sound very anti illegal immigration in that interview .. seems bernie is another one who wants our country to be a borderless town, open to anyone who just walks in

https://youtu.be/eCSnWL3Der0?t=478

[dude77]

He doesn't look very Presidential to me.

no he doesn't .. and we can't have a president who lets people walk over him either

[kNIOKAS]

The funny thing is that, as far left as Bernie is, he's actually pretty pro-gun and anti illegal immigration. I'd best most people on the left don't even know that.
Lets not go off topic about what is considered left, what is not, how people align themselves - as Lakers or Knicks fans. Stop it.

What is about what he is suggesting that is wrong? In spite of your ability to label it as left or not.


I don't know about guns but he doesn't sound very anti illegal immigration in that interview .. seems bernie is another one who wants our country to be a borderless town, open to anyone who just walks in

https://youtu.be/eCSnWL3Der0?t=478
Don't put stupid words into his mouth. Stay stupid yourself.

[ALBballer]

I'm not that familiar with Sanders but from the few things I have read and the speeches I have seen he isn't the crazy socialist the right likes to portray and I respect any politician that doesn't whore themselves out to PACs/SuperPACs.

Hilary will most likely win the ticket because A) She is a female and the SJW liberals are ready to vote in a women B) Name credibility.

[9erempiree]

I'm not that familiar with Sanders but from the few things I have read and the speeches I have seen he isn't the crazy socialist the right likes to portray and I respect any politician that doesn't whore themselves out to PACs/SuperPACs.

Hilary will most likely win the ticket because A) She is a female and the SJW liberals are ready to vote in a women B) Name credibility.

That right there should tell you to vote for Trump.

[dude77]

Lets not go off topic about what is considered left, what is not, how people align themselves - as Lakers or Knicks fans. Stop it.

What is about what he is suggesting that is wrong? In spite of your ability to label it as left or not.


Don't put stupid words into his mouth. Stay stupid yourself.

he wants to automatically make illegals legal .. instead of punishing you for breaking the law, he wants to reward them .. his words .. meanwhile you have legitimate legal immigrants jumping through hoops to get here/stay here .. he's a spineless old fart who allows people to walk all over him .. no surprise he would be in favor of that

[kNIOKAS]

he wants to automatically make illegals legal .. instead of punishing you for breaking the law, he wants to reward them .. his words .. meanwhile you have legitimate legal immigrants jumping through hoops to get here/stay here .. he's a spineless old fart who allows people to walk all over him .. no surprise he would be in favor of that
Ok, if that's what he said.

Wouldn't it solve a lot of problems, though? Is it realistic to expect that anybody would be able to find and punish the illegal immigrants that are already in, and that it wouldn't cost more than just approving them? It might make sense from the economic point of view, why not?

[NumberSix]

I'm not that familiar with Sanders but from the few things I have read and the speeches I have seen he isn't the crazy socialist the right likes to portray and I respect any politician that doesn't whore themselves out to PACs/SuperPACs.

Hilary will most likely win the ticket because A) She is a female and the SJW liberals are ready to vote in a women B) Name credibility.
The main problem with Sanders is that he has absolutely no regard for fiscal responsibility. I have no doubt that the current debt of $19 trillion would be at least doubled after 8 years of Bernie Sanders.

[NumberSix]

Ok, if that's what he said.

Wouldn't it solve a lot of problems, though? Is it realistic to expect that anybody would be able to find and punish the illegal immigrants that are already in, and that it wouldn't cost more than just approving them? It might make sense from the economic point of view, why not?
A report just came out this week that 51% of immigrant households collect welfare.

[kNIOKAS]

A report just came out this week that 51% of immigrant households collect welfare.
Well that's truly alarming. However, then it gets this spin - how do you interpret these numbers?

Because to me it tells that immigrants don't really get the opportunity to assimilate and prosper in the US of now. Perhaps that would be because of this huge cultural anti-immigrant uproar instead of a welcoming and supporting them.

?

[ALBballer]

The main problem with Sanders is that he has absolutely no regard for fiscal responsibility. I have no doubt that the current debt of $19 trillion would be at least doubled after 8 years of Bernie Sanders.

Well like most Democrats his policy is to tax the way out of it but I have to say most of his policies are reasonable:

http://www.sanders.senate.gov/top10

However, he only has 2 to 3 bulletpoints on spending.

[RidonKs]

The main problem with Sanders is that he has absolutely no regard for fiscal responsibility. I have no doubt that the current debt of $19 trillion would be at least doubled after 8 years of Bernie Sanders.
:lol

america doesn't have a debt problem silly. that's just what they tell u so u can't care about other stuff TIL THIS FISCAL MESS IS IN ORDER lol debt to gdp remains a very safe distance from really troubled economies around the world

it also helps that the american greenback is the international currency of exchange.....



anyway that was a good interview. funny contrasting it with trump, who they brought on with the morning gang, as opposed to this solemn boring exchange with a host who i can only assume used to be barbara walters before a crack binge..?

i loved the way he 'dodged' the clinton question though. very well done with just the right emphasis on the right point. though i do have gripes with his holier than thou attitude, not quite on full display in this case

[sammichoffate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA
Actual interview with someone not trolling

-Believes in health care for all citizens
-Maternal Leave
-Free college and youth employment
-$15 dollar minimum wage
-Taxing the 1% to boost the middle class and working force
-Reformation of police forces
-Doesn't believe in PACs or an Oligarchy
-Believes Climate Change is the biggest international security issue, wants to work with China, Russia, India etc on energy policy before mass migration starts happening cuz of droughts
-Greece shouldn't be left to dry because of fascist elements

[ALBballer]

:lol

america doesn't have a debt problem silly. that's just what they tell u so u can't care about other stuff TIL THIS FISCAL MESS IS IN ORDER lol debt to gdp remains a very safe distance from really troubled economies around the world


Sure compared to countries like Greece the debt to gdp ratio is "safe" but historically the debt to gdp ratio is at it's highest it has even been AFAIK and while the deficit has gotten smaller there is no end game plan on paying off the debt.

[GimmeThat]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA
Actual interview with someone not trolling

-Believes in health care for all citizens
-Maternal Leave
-Free college and youth employment
-$15 dollar minimum wage
-Taxing the 1% to boost the middle class and working force
-Reformation of police forces
-Doesn't believe in PACs or an Oligarchy
-Believes Climate Change is the biggest international security issue, wants to work with China, Russia, India etc on energy policy before mass migration starts happening cuz of droughts
-Greece shouldn't be left to dry because of fascist elements

-Believes in health care for all citizens
*which probably goes against maintaining the strength of the U.S. dollar, in which in order to wipe out the loss, the government would have to accumulate even more debt in order to satisfy the none-beneficiary (or you could generalize it as decriminalization). and inevitably massive bubbles of the NGOs due to reflective and none reflective bureaucracy, as the market and wealth itself has gone past stabilization, not because of blown up education cost, but diluted value in which their next generation would only see growth from other nations that were deemed less developed than this one, all while still inheriting the debt, on the governmental level.
-Maternal Leave
*a socially slick issue driven by an objective campaign
-Free college and youth employment
*can't say job creation, or even internships is a directive enough answer. even with specified fields. but that's a personal archive versus public archive none issue.
-$15 dollar minimum wage
*to place the above middle class wealth solely on prestige may upset the blue collar workers. unionized or not, their raise potential would be considered lower, unless they choose to face the risk of working independently, and hence without workplace covered insurance, and unnecessary liability. Because luxury, is also a matter of frequency.
-Taxing the 1% to boost the middle class and working force
*people aren't going to be upset, and will most likely purchase the idea of buying condos and apartments instead of houses. and maintenance evolved into redevelopment becomes a profitable business.
-Reformation of police forces
*federal laws and state laws and its locality, while the statistics is what the chief lives by, the lag effect and its underlying cost is consistent with taxing.
-Doesn't believe in PACs or an Oligarchy
*then the timeliness of any investigation, internal or external, ought to be set as the measurement for success. which will be justified by the supporters from his declared party.
-Believes Climate Change is the biggest international security issue, wants to work with China, Russia, India etc on energy policy before mass migration starts happening cuz of droughts
*energy policy and climate change can be considered as some of the most expensive issues. but then once you have kept the expense low, isolation and perhaps even secrecy, arrives at the doorstep. intervention is cheap, if losses had already been accounted for.
-Greece shouldn't be left to dry because of fascist elements
*and to bail out, the degrees of emergency is not just judged by the portions of elements, but also the absorption of those elements. not that testing students their aptitude of priority in a simulation program delivers the other crucial aspect to real life success. curiosity.

[NumberSix]

Well that's truly alarming. However, then it gets this spin - how do you interpret these numbers?

Because to me it tells that immigrants don't really get the opportunity to assimilate and prosper in the US of now. Perhaps that would be because of this huge cultural anti-immigrant uproar instead of a welcoming and supporting them.

?
It means the standards the United States has for who it allows into the country are very low.

[kNIOKAS]

It means the standards the United States has for who it allows into the country are very low.
Well that must somewhat be related to the notion and understanding of society and its interrelatedness.

Do you think that US should allow the sucessful millionaires and accomplished specialists in, and not the poor "loser" people? So in the end, the country becomes more prosperous.

[NumberSix]

Well that must somewhat be related to the notion and understanding of society and its interrelatedness.

Do you think that US should allow the sucessful millionaires and accomplished specialists in, and not the poor "loser" people? So in the end, the country becomes more prosperous.
Yes.

Any country should only accept people that will be a benefit to the country. What exactly is the point of letting in a person who will wash dishes, collect welfare and not speak English?

[RidonKs]

Yes.

Any country should only accept people that will be a benefit to the country. What exactly is the point of letting in a person who will wash dishes, collect welfare and not speak English?
hell why even keep those people?

round up all the dishwashers in america, sell them as slave labour to the japanese, and use the profit to buy a vast surplus of dishes so the dirty ones can be tossed in the garbage

i mean im not saying its realistic....

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5vOKKMipSA
Actual interview with someone not trolling

-Believes in health care for all citizens
-Maternal Leave
-Free college and youth employment
-$15 dollar minimum wage
-Taxing the 1% to boost the middle class and working force
-Reformation of police forces
-Doesn't believe in PACs or an Oligarchy
-Believes Climate Change is the biggest international security issue, wants to work with China, Russia, India etc on energy policy before mass migration starts happening cuz of droughts
-Greece shouldn't be left to dry because of fascist elements


And who pays the professors? The staff? Who pays for the books?


Oh that's right, the American Taxpayer will. Just another tax. Pile it on!


What a joke.

[kNIOKAS]

Yes.

Any country should only accept people that will be a benefit to the country. What exactly is the point of letting in a person who will wash dishes, collect welfare and not speak English?
Well this is strange and troubling - but I'm confused only under your terms.

What I'm also curious is how not speaking english is a factor in the same way as the economic contribution is a factor? Seems a very subjective, arbitrary criteria, even a cultural whim rather than a hard economic argument. What is the difference what language an immigrant is speaking, provided he is a benefit to the country?

[NumberSix]

Well this is strange and troubling - but I'm confused only under your terms.

What I'm also curious is how not speaking english is a factor in the same way as the economic contribution is a factor? Seems a very subjective, arbitrary criteria, even a cultural whim rather than a hard economic argument. What is the difference what language an immigrant is speaking, provided he is a benefit to the country?
Do you honestly need it to be explained why the ability to communicate with people is important? :wtf:

[kNIOKAS]

Do you honestly need it to be explained why the ability to communicate with people is important? :wtf:
Well, I think you need to do work to integrate it to your model of rich, economically useful individual being good for the country.

Who you take?

Mute Steve Jobs
or
Dishwasher Oprah Winfrey

[NumberSix]

Well, I think you need to do work to integrate it to your model of rich, economically useful individual being good for the country.

Who you take?

Mute Steve Jobs
or
Dishwasher Oprah Winfrey
If steve jobs couldn't communicate, he wouldn't be steve jobs.

[NumberSix]

And who pays the professors? The staff? Who pays for the books?


Oh that's right, the American Taxpayer will. Just another tax. Pile it on!


What a joke.
Pays? Nobody pays. It's free. Duh!

[KyrieTheFuture]

The main problem with Sanders is that he has absolutely no regard for fiscal responsibility. I have no doubt that the current debt of $19 trillion would be at least doubled after 8 years of Bernie Sanders.
Terms are 8 years now?

[NumberSix]

Terms are 8 years now?
???

[kNIOKAS]

If steve jobs couldn't communicate, he wouldn't be steve jobs.
Well perhaps I oversold you, giving an excercise this lax.

How do look at people working for the US despite not fully knowing the english language, like rocket scientist von Braun did for NASA? I am assuming he did not know english or his english were not sufficient enough to communicate as he came to US. That might not be true, but I think it's possible to find other examples of immigrants working for the US without being able to communicate in english.

[NumberSix]

Well perhaps I oversold you, giving an excercise this lax.

How do look at people working for the US despite not fully knowing the english language, like rocket scientist von Braun did for NASA? I am assuming he did not know english or his english were not sufficient enough to communicate as he came to US. That might not be true, but I think it's possible to find other examples of immigrants working for the US without being able to communicate in english.
I take it that English is not your first language, because you seem to be misunderstanding what I've been talking about.

[KNOW1EDGE]

???

Presidential terms are 4 years long not 8

[Vaniiiia]

Presidential terms are 4 years long not 8
????

[kNIOKAS]

I take it that English is not your first language, because you seem to be misunderstanding what I've been talking about.
Let me take this:
So english isn't your first language, because you cannot articulate what you've been saying and communicate by using it. :biggums:

[ThePhantomCreep]

And who pays the professors? The staff? Who pays for the books?


Oh that's right, the American Taxpayer will. Just another tax. Pile it on!


What a joke.

Dickheads like you have no problem flushing trillion of dollars down the drain on unnecessary wars, or fattening the wallets of the 1% with idiotic trickle-down tax cuts, so spare me the small government/fiscal responsibility BS.

[KingBeasley08]

Dickheads like you have no problem flushing trillion of dollars down the drain on unnecessary wars, or fattening the wallets of the 1% with idiotic trickle-down tax cuts, so spare me the small government/fiscal responsibility BS.
:applause:

Republicans spend as much as Democrats but are far more irresponsible with it. I don't know where this 'fiscally responsible' stuff came from. Every GOP President from Reagan onward has spent like crazy while reducing taxes.

Say something enough times and your supporters will believe you :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Dickheads like you have no problem flushing trillion of dollars down the drain on unnecessary wars, or fattening the wallets of the 1% with idiotic trickle-down tax cuts, so spare me the small government/fiscal responsibility BS.


You getting defensive = You really don't have an answer to my question so I'll deflect instead which is the Liberal custom.


So focus you little shitstain, how do you pay for FREE college?

[kNIOKAS]

You getting defensive = You really don't have an answer to my question so I'll deflect instead which is the Liberal custom.


So focus you little shitstain, how do you pay for FREE college?
This is a prime example of being a shitbag.

Asking those questions show that you assume that the status quo cannot be changed. How do you implement any policy? By having a political will, that's simpe. Just because you see politics as being free of political will, well, then of course, implementing policies will step on somebody's toes, they will lobby against, and the policy would crash.

But all this assuming the administration is a sellout. It usually is, but this assumption is partly responsible for it. You get what you ask for. You unleash a self-fulfilling prophecy.


Another way to start would be ask: Do you think there are things that need to be changed, as of now? HOW DO YOU PAY FOR THAT???

[NumberSix]

Presidential terms are 4 years long not 8
Yes. Yes they are.

[ALBballer]

And who pays the professors? The staff? Who pays for the books?


Oh that's right, the American Taxpayer will. Just another tax. Pile it on!


What a joke.

Bruh we spent trillions of dollars on Iraq and Afghanistan and our military budget is the largest in the world. The estimated cost of free community college by the Obama administration was 60 billion over 10 years. Let's put that in perspective.

During the 60s the California public universities used to be free and now the cost has risen to those of the private universities. Granted I wish the government would get out of guaranteeing loans which has aided in the rise of tuition costs in college education and I'm not sure if more higher education is the solution but the proposal has some merits.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Yes. Yes they are.
So why are you bringing up 8 years of Bernie sanders? Classic faux pas.

[NumberSix]

So why are you bringing up 8 years of Bernie sanders? Classic faux pas.
Is there some reason why I shouldn't? :confusedshrug:

[Patrick Chewing]

Bruh we spent trillions of dollars on Iraq and Afghanistan and our military budget is the largest in the world. The estimated cost of free community college by the Obama administration was 60 billion over 10 years. Let's put that in perspective.

During the 60s the California public universities used to be free and now the cost has risen to those of the private universities. Granted I wish the government would get out of guaranteeing loans which has aided in the rise of tuition costs in college education and I'm not sure if more higher education is the solution but the proposal has some merits.


Who cares what was spent on wars? Those two things have nothing to do with one another.

Just come right out and say it, it's another tax on the American people. Plain and simple. Who in their right mind is going to sign up for that?? And then think of the consequences. As if we don't have enough people jumping fences to get in here. This country will go belly up with everyone across the globe trying to get free schooling.

Free college is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Going to college is a privilege, not a right.

[ALBballer]

Who cares what was spent on wars? Those two things have nothing to do with one another.

Just come right out and say it, it's another tax on the American people. Plain and simple. Who in their right mind is going to sign up for that?? And then think of the consequences. As if we don't have enough people jumping fences to get in here. This country will go belly up with everyone across the globe trying to get free schooling.

Free college is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Going to college is a privilege, not a right.

You should care. Those two wars are a large reason why we are in huge deficit. Imagine how much better we would of been if 2 trillion dollars was spent on our infrastructure and think of how many jobs it would of created and how much it would of done for our economy. Sure I understand its a fallacious argument but if the figures are correct assuming 60 billion dollars over 10 years that would cost each individual around $200 in 10 years. The wars have cost how many of our tax dollars?

As for college being a right or a privilege that is debatable. It is even debatable IMO if college is the solution for most students and more emphasis should probably be put on blue collar jobs ie electrician, plumbing, etc. Finally you could make community college free to only citizens of this country. Regardless I doubt 3rd worlders will jump the borders to attend 13th grade in the states.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Who cares what was spent on wars? Those two things have nothing to do with one another.

Just come right out and say it, it's another tax on the American people. Plain and simple. Who in their right mind is going to sign up for that?? And then think of the consequences. As if we don't have enough people jumping fences to get in here. This country will go belly up with everyone across the globe trying to get free schooling.

Free college is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Going to college is a privilege, not a right.
....Are you unaware several countries around the world offer free education to their citizens?

[Patrick Chewing]

....Are you unaware several countries around the world offer free education to their citizens?


Free education or free "College Education"? Be more specific.


And then if you find that the latter is actually the case, please provide the names of these countries.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Free education or free "College Education"? Be more specific.


And then if you find that the latter is actually the case, please provide the names of these countries.
Well after 40 seconds of googling cause I'm not a ****ing moron...

All Europeans (and some people outside) may attend college in Germany, tuition free.
The Nordic countries will even pay for grad school.
Finland used to let internationals come in for free, but now only charge a small fee.
I can list other countries like Brazil and Argentina, or Sri Lanka, but who the **** wants to go to school there.


Now, I do not advocate free college for everyone, we're simply way, way to big. I think there should be a big ass scholarship fund you can apply to, and is easy to get money from, but not everyone should go to college, in fact many should not. I'd be cool with the free 2 years of community college for everyone though. How do we pay for it? Maybe by slashing our hilarious defense budget *gasp* don't worry, relax your anus, we won't die in a sea of hellfire from reducing our military budget from over 4x the next highest spender, to 3x.

Edit: Free to attend, does not mean, everyone gets to come here. It means everyone who was smart enough to get in, doesn't have to worry about how to pay.

[bladefd]

Free college is the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Going to college is a privilege, not a right.

First, I know you didn't mention this but I break this issue into 2 compartments: basic education and higher education (including college).

Basic education IS a human right for every human on Earth, in my estimation. The problem is that developing countries like India/China/etc don't have enough wealth/GDP to focus too much on education. For them, survival and trying to feed people has to be first. There just is not enough money left for them to make higher education a right. For them only basic education can be a human right because survival comes first. In USA, there are about 46 million poor people (3 million homeless) that have to focus first on survival. India? About 450 million poor people -- 350+ million of those make $1 a day (entire US population).

Now, if we consider a developed nation like the USA, basic education obviously must be a right - that's a given. Here comes my rebuttal to your point. I argue college should be a right as well. Why? Because you have the infrastructure in place and high enough GDP to make it happen. There should be 0 reason why you don't have $60 billion to educate every person in America.

Source for cost of education amounting to $60 billion: http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/01/heres-exactly-how-much-the-government-would-have-to-spend-to-make-public-college-tuition-free/282803/

I agree that you as a student should not be able to choose the college. You cannot go "Hmm, do I want to go to UConn in different state, Rutgers in my state or community college? OK, I will choose the MOST expensive!" No, but as a nation, you can afford to make it local college. That would wipe off dorming costs if the college is local in same county that you live in.

As far as your fundamental argument goes.. I think if you have GDP of $16 TRILLION DOLLARS but cannot afford to pay $60 billion for higher education for everyone, something is seriously wrong. Not with that idea but with how congress/government juggles the checkbook. Fix the damn checkbook but don't discard the idea itself.

[bladefd]

Oh and keep in mind that the USA spends $70 billion on pell grants yearly already (students have to take loans to pay back extra if they dorm and go out of state). You take that same money and just shift it over to public college that must be local to where you live.

There is no extra money necessary.
-You just need to enforce a stipulation on the public college to not get greedy & raise their tuition rate. Punishment: Funding and/or research money gets pulled.
-You need to enforce a stipulation on the student that the public college they choose must be in same county or bordering county (cannot be out of state or 3-4 counties over). Punishment: Denial of approval and chance to re-apply.