Rare clip Kobe block MJ

[sekachu]

After I watched kobe blocked MJ in this clip, I finally know why kobe bites MJ's fakes every single times. As you can see, you can tell kobe didn't even have a bit hesitated to jump. He just wanted to block that shot badly. This is a given foul if MJ made a fake on him. Even kobe himself admitted that he would lost his calm when he guarded MJ. No doubt it was a great block though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btg5AcH5uqY

[riseagainst]

The GOAT vs the 2nd GOAT


:bowdown:

[Elosha]

After I watched kobe blocked MJ in this clip, I finally know why kobe bites MJ's fakes every single times. As you can see, you can tell kobe didn't even have a bit hesitated to jump. He just wanted to block that shot badly. This is a given foul if MJ made a fake on him. Even kobe himself admitted that he would lost his calm when he guarded MJ. No doubt it was a great block though.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btg5AcH5uqY

Great block by Kobe, I remember this game. There was just no denying that as good as Wizards Jordan was, he could not quite match the youngbloods Kobe, Tracy McGrady, and to a lesser extent Vince Carter. He still gave them fits, but couldn't hold them off at 39-40.

Very unlikely Kobe gets anywhere near blocking that shot against any version of Bulls Jordan, except maybe 1998 when Jordan was really starting his slow down.

[G0ATbe]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btg5AcH5uqY
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Garnett-Reaction-at-2013-Dunk-Contest.gif
GOAT gonna GOAT:bowdown: .

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Jordan takes an L on that one. Gotta admit :mad:

[Dragonyeuw]

Great block by Kobe, I remember this game. There was just no denying that as good as Wizards Jordan was, he could not quite match the youngbloods Kobe, Tracy McGrady, and to a lesser extent Vince Carter. He still gave them fits, but couldn't hold them off at 39-40.

Very unlikely Kobe gets anywhere near blocking that shot against any version of Bulls Jordan, except maybe 1998 when Jordan was really starting his slow down.

He had his share of chances in 98, never did. But, he wasn't the defender in 98 that he was in 2002 either....That said, it's fair to say MJ lost quite a bit of lift between 98 and the vid.

[mehyaM24]

i'm no kobe fan, but this is the type of defense 80s and 90s jordan would have saw in the 2000s

2000-2005 = goat era of defense


this is evident considering jordan shot the lowest ts% of any player averaging 20ppg.....ever.

[Elosha]

i'm no kobe fan, but this is the type of defense 80s and 90s jordan would have saw in the 2000s

2000-2005 = goat era of defense


this is evident considering jordan shot the lowest ts% of any player averaging 20ppg.....ever.

And what's the elephant in the room that you are once again avoiding? You don't think guys jumped as high or much higher than Kobe to try to block MJ's fadeaway when he with the Bulls? What could the difference possibly be? :rolleyes:

[Elosha]

He had his share of chances in 98, never did. But, he wasn't the defender in 98 that he was in 2002 either....That said, it's fair to say MJ lost quite a bit of lift between 98 and the vid.

Absolutely. Jordan was a significantly better athlete at 35 then he was as 40 and you are right that Kobe never blocked him during his Bulls years. In fact, Jordan scored on him pretty routinely, but as you stated Kobe was probably not quite the defender in 97 and 98, although he was probably just as athletic as in 2002.

[mehyaM24]

And what's the elephant in the room that you are once again avoiding? You don't think guys jumped as high or much higher than Kobe to try to block MJ's fadeaway when he with the Bulls? What could the difference possibly be? :

i think perimeter defenders in the 2000s were more seasoned and experienced from the knowledge of the past and the new gimmicks employed today (att, zone and hand checking).

their skill set and knowledge is more advanced if you will.

in kobes case, he had great positioning and timed his jump with perfection. jordan was too predictable.

i actually saw the game, and jordan took nothing but jumpers because that's what the defense allowed - kobe read jordan like a textbook.

[Dr Hawk]

The GOAT vs the 2nd GOAT


:bowdown:

Here what you seek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvo_Saiwsgw

[DonDadda59]

Great block by Kobe, I remember this game. There was just no denying that as good as Wizards Jordan was, he could not quite match the youngbloods Kobe, Tracy McGrady, and to a lesser extent Vince Carter. He still gave them fits, but couldn't hold them off at 39-40.

Very unlikely Kobe gets anywhere near blocking that shot against any version of Bulls Jordan, except maybe 1998 when Jordan was really starting his slow down.

LOL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LCvIFjjAA) :no:

[Jailblazers7]

Since when is that clip rare? :lol

[AirFederer]

hahahaha. Kobe Farber had to wait until MJ was 40 :facepalm

This is how GOAT does it, first meeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMgJjaDZXI

[20Four]

hahahaha. Kobe Farber had to wait until MJ was 40 :facepalm

This is how GOAT does it, first meeting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMMgJjaDZXI
ok now go clean some toilets

[Dragonyeuw]

LOL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LCvIFjjAA) :no:

And on that occasion, especially for the and-1 play, Kobe challenged about as well as you could, from a timing and athletic standpoint. MJ faded back further and released the ball at the peak of his jump. In the video above, he didnt get nearly the same lift, and it looked like he released the ball early. Great block, but how much can one brag about a 23 year old blocking a 40 year old?

[DoctorP]

Since Jordan's jersey hangs in the Heat arena the Heat are going to have to put Justise Winslow on Kobe so he can block Kobe's fadeaway and get some revenge for Jordan.

[3ball]

jordan shot the lowest ts% of any player averaging 20ppg.....ever.



^^^^ the above post is a blatant LIE:


40-year old MJ in 2003: 20.0 ppg.. 44.5% fg.. 49.1% ts.. 19.3 PER
Rookie Lebron in 2004:. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7% fg.. 48.8% ts.. 18.3 PER


2004 was the last year of the old rules where hand-checking and paint-camping was still allowed - as you can see, Lebron sucked under these rules - he was worse than 40-year old MJ under the old rules..

Also, Lebron missed the playoffs as a rookie even though he played with a top 24 player (all-star) in Zydrunas Illgauskas (17/9 and 2.1 blk).. MJ never played with a top 24 player (all-star) until his 6th year in the league, yet he never missed the playoffs.

[mehyaM24]

in 2002, jordan shot .468%ts

the lowest of any player averaging 20ppg....ever

lmao

[Dragonyeuw]

^^^^ the above post is a blatant LIE:


40-year old MJ in 2003: 20.0 ppg.. 44.5% fg.. 49.1% ts.. 19.3 PER
Rookie Lebron in 2004:. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7% fg.. 48.8% ts.. 18.3 PER


2004 was the last year of the old rules where hand-checking and paint-camping was still allowed - as you can see, Lebron sucked under these rules - he was worse than 40-year old MJ under the old rules..

Also, Lebron missed the playoffs as a rookie even though he played with a top 24 player (all-star) in Zydrunas Illgauskas (17/9 and 2.1 blk).. MJ never played with a top 24 player (all-star) until his 6th year in the league, yet he never missed the playoffs.

Surely you see that you're using ROOKIE Lebron's stats, right? I'm an admitted MJ nut but come on man.....context.

[3ball]

Surely you see that you're using ROOKIE Lebron's stats, right? I'm an admitted MJ nut but come on man.....context.
MJ was 40!!!!!

There's your context

[mehyaM24]

MJ was 40!!!!!

There's your context


in 2002, jordan shot .468%ts

the lowest of any player averaging 20ppg....ever

i just shredded your post with pure, unabated facts.

you probably wont respond though because you're in denial. truth of the matter is, jordan WAS in fact the most inefficient player to score 20ppg.

admit it

[Naero]

Kobe's block as a rookie on second-threepeat Jordan was even more impressive to me, considering Kobe's inexperience while Jordan was at the point of veteranship without being a complete shell of his former self: https://youtu.be/k0swlOk-5S4?t=1m20s

Also, I love how some Jordan stans act defensive over this. :lol Even some of the more radical Kobe stans I know have come to terms with Jordan's superiority to him by now; if anything, they feel more threatened by newer-generation players that have or are on their way to having outdistanced Kobe

[mehyaM24]

Kobe's block as a rookie on second-threepeat Jordan was even more impressive to me, considering Kobe's inexperience while Jordan was at the point of veteranship without being a complete shell of his former self: https://youtu.be/k0swlOk-5S4?t=1m20s

jordan fans taking L's left and right. wow lmao

string bean (probably the most overrated of the new gen) making the old wave of guards look foolish with his adaptive progression - much like perimeter players post 99.


smarter. more skilled. too good.


you would have seen this too often had perimeter players NOW were playing THEN

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

[DoctorP]

[QUOTE=Naero]Kobe's block as a rookie on second-threepeat Jordan was even more impressive to me, considering Kobe's inexperience while Jordan was at the point of veteranship without being a complete shell of his former self: https://youtu.be/k0swlOk-5S4?t=1m20s

Also, I love how some Jordan stans act defensive over this. :lol Even some of the more radical Kobe stans I know have come to terms with Jordan's superiority to him by now; if anything, they feel more threatened by newer-generation players that have or are on their way to having outdistanced Kobe

[Naero]

this is evident considering jordan shot the lowest ts% of any player averaging 20ppg.....ever.

I'm not a Jordan fan; but to be fair, I don't see substance to this claim when data-browsing through this list. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=ts_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=47&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct) The second-oldest player (next to Michael Jordan) to average 20 PPG and shoot under 47% TS% was also 7 years older than the 38-year-old Jordan at the time.

[Dragonyeuw]

MJ was 40!!!!!

There's your context
Lebron was 19!! Fresh out of high school!

Acknowledging MJ's age while ignoring Lebron's age and (lack of) experience is beyond disingenuous. Especially since you're clearly suggesting that what a rookie Lebron did in 2003 pre rule changes is indictative of what prime Lebron would do.

Stop it.

[mehyaM24]

I'm not a Jordan fan; but to be fair, I don't see substance to this claim when data-browsing through this list. (http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=pts_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=20&c2stat=ts_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=47&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ts_pct) The second-oldest player (next to Michael Jordan) to average 20 PPG and shoot under 47% TS% was also 7 years older than the 38-year-old Jordan at the time.

true. he was ONE of the most inefficient though. that list is for an elite fraternity, and mj made the cut :lol

[DonDadda59]

in 2002, jordan shot .468%ts

the lowest of any player averaging 20ppg....ever

lmao

This is a blatant lie and you are a filthy liar.

Also...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FyOW4CdBBUo/USKthSs-4jI/AAAAAAAAA4A/O2LY84bbH9c/s1600/kobeblock.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif

Prime 2/6 getting embarrassed by Kobe 'Old Lion' Bryant :lol

[JT123]

This is a blatant lie and you are a filthy liar.

Also...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-FyOW4CdBBUo/USKthSs-4jI/AAAAAAAAA4A/O2LY84bbH9c/s1600/kobeblock.gif

http://33.media.tumblr.com/fb7cda7af67162ff51b05829f44301f8/tumblr_n14euzsAHI1qcmnsoo2_400.gif

Prime 2/6 getting embarrassed by Kobe 'Old Lion' Bryant :lol
:rolleyes: That was a foul. Bran would never allow Kobe to do that in a real game.

[TheMarkMadsen]

MJ was 40!!!!!

There's your context

yet I've seen you post gifs of MVP Jordan scoring on an 18 year old Kobe and acting like it was something


:oldlol: :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

:rolleyes: That was a foul. Bran would never allow Kobe to do that in a real game.

Limited offensive players from this era must thank their lucky stars everyday that hand-checking was eliminated. Imagine if instead of an old broken down Bean, it was a prime Pippen guarding 2/6 full court while checking him (https://youtu.be/5X-VaAqPqmY?t=37s). :lol

[mehyaM24]

This is a blatant lie and you are a filthy liar.

Also...

ok fine. its THE least efficient season from a 20ppg scorer in the modern era - and by modern era, i mean post merger.

:confusedshrug:

antoine walker and jamal mashburn are up there, but they shot better from 3 and the FT line.


watch your self doda. i dont want to have to light you up again.

[DonDadda59]

ok fine. its THE least efficient season from a 20ppg scorer in the modern era - and by modern era, i mean post merger.

:confusedshrug:

antoine walker and jamal mashburn are up there, but they shot better from 3 and the FT line.


watch your self doda. i dont want to have to light you up again.

You are a failure at life and your mother wanted to have an abortion. Stop lying to the public and you won't get called out on your bullshit. Never speak again unless spoken to.

[mehyaM24]

You are a failure at life and your mother wanted to have an abortion. Stop lying to the public and you won't get called out on your bullshit. Never speak again unless spoken to.

LOL

doda is upset his boy is the least efficient player in modern nba history.

take it up with mike - maybe he will buy you a free pair of hanes.

[Wade's Rings]

You are a failure at life and your mother wanted to have an abortion. Stop lying to the public and you won't get called out on your bullshit. Never speak again unless spoken to.

:lebronamazed:

[JT123]

^^^^ the above post is a blatant LIE:


40-year old MJ in 2003: 20.0 ppg.. 44.5% fg.. 49.1% ts.. 19.3 PER
Rookie Lebron in 2004:. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7% fg.. 48.8% ts.. 18.3 PER


2004 was the last year of the old rules where hand-checking and paint-camping was still allowed - as you can see, Lebron sucked under these rules - he was worse than 40-year old MJ under the old rules..

Also, Lebron missed the playoffs as a rookie even though he played with a top 24 player (all-star) in Zydrunas Illgauskas (17/9 and 2.1 blk).. MJ never played with a top 24 player (all-star) until his 6th year in the league, yet he never missed the playoffs.
:roll:

[3ball]

yet I've seen you post gifs of MVP Jordan scoring on an 18 year old Kobe and acting like it was something



:facepalm ... MJ scoring on 19-year old Kobe IS material - age has nothing to do with physical defensive capability - 19-year old Kobe was a better defender than 27-year old Kobe.. Also, MJ scoring on young Kobe has nothing to do with 40-year old MJ being a better player than 18-year old Lebron, which was the post you responded to:

40-year old MJ in 2003: 20.0 ppg.. 44.5% fg.. 49.1% ts.. 19.3 PER
Rookie Lebron in 2004:. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7% fg.. 48.8% ts.. 18.3 PER


I mean, is it really a surprise that MJ was better than Lebron at the time they were closest to playing in the NBA at the same time?.. :rolleyes:

[3ball]

Acknowledging MJ's age while ignoring Lebron's age and (lack of) experience is beyond disingenuous.


All I did was point out that MJ was better in 2003, than Lebron was in 2004..

We all know their age essentially cancels out - Lebron had young legs and could dunk from the ft line, while MJ could barely get over a phone book, but had goat smarts.
.

[3ball]

you're clearly suggesting that what a rookie Lebron did in 2003 pre rule changes is indictative of what prime Lebron would do.


It DOES give an indication of what prime Lebron would do - his one year under the old rules was so much worse than every other year of his career, that it's completely reasonable to think the rules played a factor.

Btw, do you realize Lebron is only elite as the primary ballhandler?... He's not elite on the post or at isolations, and he's bad at midrange (career 37% from midrange)... But in the 80's, these were the only options remaining in the absence of the 3-pointers necessary to make screen-roll/drive-and-kick mathematically worthwhile.. In the 80's, Lebron simply would not have teammates that spread the floor with the 3-pointers necessary to make drive-and-kick the force it is today.

Like, if you take away the one thing Lebron is elite at (screen-roll/drive-and-kick), he's not elite anymore... Does that make sense to you, or does your bias meter prevent you from processing logic?

[FireDavidKahn]

Washington Jordan was bad.

[Elosha]

LOL (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-LCvIFjjAA) :no:

Don't get me wrong, there's little doubt that 1998 Jordan would be a better overall player than Kobe in 2002. It's just that Kobe was in the middle of his peak athleticism in 2002 and was obviously a better player and more experienced defender in 2002 than in 1998. Although Jordan was still quite athletic in 1998, he was starting to slow down. It would be possible that Kobe could block Jordan at times, or a long armed defender like TMac. Reggie Lewis could do that on occasion in Jordan's younger years, but Jordan would still routinely destroy him.

98 Jordan would have regularly outplayed 2002 Kobe, Carter or Tmac, he was definitely still a cut above them. But to be fair, 2002 Kobe was not quite at his peak either.

[sekachu]

in 2002, jordan shot .468%ts

the lowest of any player averaging 20ppg....ever

lmao




I find out that some of guys like you like to bring out 2002 but never mention 2003 when Jordan shot near 45% because MJ adapted the game more and better body condition than in 2002

[mehyaM24]

I find out that some of guys like you like to bring out 2002 but never mention 2003 when Jordan shot near 45% because MJ adapted the game more and better body condition than in 2002

jordan shot .49%ts in 2003 as well.

:confusedshrug:


he was getting locked up by most of these 2k perimeter players. with ease.

kobe dropped 55 on him
iverson had huge games against him
tmac had multiple 40 point games on him iirc



and before anyone says bu-bu-but jordan was old, check these out for reference:


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2621915/kobe-fade-on-jordan-o.gif


jordan couldn't contain the new era perimeter players - too advanced. too skilled.

[DonDadda59]

I find out that some of guys like you like to bring out 2002 but never mention 2003 when Jordan shot near 45% because MJ adapted the game more and better body condition than in 2002

Had literally nothing to do with 'adapting'. Before his knee issues the first year, he was putting up 25/5/5 (46%) by the all star break. He and T-Mac were the only 2 players in the league who were putting up at least that. The Wizards were also in the playoff hunt, having won more games by the break than they had won the entire season before.

Then the knee injuries cropped up and his production fell off a cliff and he couldn't finish the season. He got surgery during the offseason and had planned on coming off the bench for all of '02-'03, and he did for the first 15 games or so, but then the Wiz were ravaged by injury and he was forced to start- sometimes playing the 3, and even the 4 because the team was so undermanned. But he did manage to stay healthier than the season before, that's why the shooting percentages improved.

[Dragonyeuw]

It DOES give an indication of what prime Lebron would do - his one year under the old rules was so much worse than every other year of his career, that it's completely reasonable to think the rules played a factor.


No it doesn't, because whatever you deem Lebron's prime to be, 2009 to 2013, is lightyears better than him as a rookie in all facets. So its literally the dumbest argument you can possibly make( though Im sure you will top yourself at some point) to use rookie Lebron as evidence of how he'd be prior to 2004. Its the inverse of the fcuking idiots who use 40 year old MJ in 2003 as evidence of how prime MJ would fare today, the same retarded kindergarten thought process. Shooting percentage aside, Lebron posted 21/6/6 as a rookie. Thats still one of the better rookie campaigns in recent memory. There's plenty of morons on the board who like taking 'snapshots' of particular situations and use that as a springboard to launch sweeping generalizations. Congrats on being at the top of that esteemed list.

Does that make sense to you, or does your bias meter prevent you from processing logic?

And since anyone familar with my posts knows I'm an MJ fan, its laughable that pointing out something so fcuking obvious is being biased. MJ's resume speaks for itself without needing to resort to the kind of shenanigans you come up with. Its as much trolling in a way as some of the blatant Lebron/Kobe stans, obnoxious and brings the entire board down.

[sekachu]

i'm no kobe fan, but this is the type of defense 80s and 90s jordan would have saw in the 2000s

2000-2005 = goat era of defense


this is evident considering jordan shot the lowest ts% of any player averaging 20ppg.....ever.



Are you saying 90s Jordan is equivalent with wizard Jordan? :wtf:

[sekachu]

jordan shot .49%ts in 2003 as well.

:confusedshrug:


he was getting locked up by most of these 2k perimeter players. with ease.

kobe dropped 55 on him
iverson had huge games against him
tmac had multiple 40 point games on him iirc



and before anyone says bu-bu-but jordan was old, check these out for reference:


http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/2mi5v.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view7/2621915/kobe-fade-on-jordan-o.gif


jordan couldn't contain the new era perimeter players - too advanced. too skilled.



Kobe dropped 55 on who???
Who hasn't been get crossed by iverson? Come on, he is one of the greatest crossover player.
Dropping 40 points on wizard MJ is something even worth to mention??? Come on again, MJ who basically a retired player just came back for the love of the game.
Do you really believe 98 Jordan was seriously guarding kobe on that plays? come on again.

[3ball]

But to be fair, 2002 Kobe was not quite at his peak either.


Kobe WAS in his prime in 2002.. That was his 6th season and he was 23 years old with 2 rings already... What more can you want?.. It's severe nitpicking to be like "well, it wasn't Kobe's VERY best season, so he wasn't in his prime"... :rolleyes: ... Making an excuse for Kobe in 2002 by saying his wasn't in his prime yet is RIDICULOUS.

Anytime a player is compared to MJ, they are given EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE advantage and benefit of the doubt (like saying 2002 wasn't quiiiiite Kobe's prime... :rolleyes:)..... while MJ is held to ridiculously strict standards and guys nitpick the hell out of him - if other players were held to the same standard as MJ, it wouldn't be a conversation, because they'd look so much worse.





your shenanigans


Shenanigans?... It's facts - Lebron is only elite as the primary ballhandler - this is proven by his non-elite efficiency on post ups, isolations and midrange.

But in the 80's, those were the only options remaining in the absence of the 3-pointers necessary to make screen-roll/drive-and-kick mathematically worthwhile... Again, this is a FACT... In the 80's, Lebron simply wouldn't have teammates that spread the floor with the 3-pointers necessary to make drive-and-kick the force it is today.

If you take away the one thing Lebron is elite at (screen-roll/drive-and-kick), he's not elite anymore... This is a FACT.. So what EXACTLY are the "shenanigans" you're referring to?... I only posted facts.
.

[Dragonyeuw]

Shenanigans?... It's facts - Lebron is only elite as the primary ballhandler - this is proven by his non-elite efficiency on post ups, isolations and midrange prove this.

But in the 80's, those were the only options remaining in the absence of the 3-pointers necessary to make screen-roll/drive-and-kick mathematically worthwhile... Again, this is a FACT... In the 80's, Lebron simply would not have teammates that spread the floor with the 3-pointers

Like, if you take away the one thing Lebron is elite at (screen-roll/drive-and-kick), he's not elite anymore... This is a FACT.. So what EXACTLY are the "shenanigans" you're referring to?... I only posted facts.

Shenanigans as in your overall agenda, to glorify MJ at any cost, to tear down any player thats mentioned in the same sentence, and to resort to dishonest arguments on occassion to do so. All of what you say above is grounded in reality, but that's not my argument. You used the youngest, most inexperienced and objectively inferior version of LeBron and try to claim this as 'fact' of what? Lebron would be a scrub in MJs era? Exactly what are you saying at the end of the day? And try to answer THAT question without cutting and pasting your last one. Exactly what would Lebron be, the 2009 or 2013 version take your pick, in the 90s. Give me a simple answer, one or two sentence reply without one of your copy and pasted quotes or redundant gifs.

[3ball]

Exactly what would Lebron be, the 2009 or 2013 version take your pick, in the 90s.


Do you have trouble reading or something - how much clearer can I get?

Lebron wouldn't be as good in the 80's or early 90's, because the only area where he's elite WASN'T AVAILABLE (screen-roll/drive-and-kick), due to the lack of 3-point shooting.

This is a mathematical fact - drive-and-kick isn't worth it without 3-point shooting, which is why it wasn't used back then like it is today.

[Dragonyeuw]

Do you have trouble reading or something - how much clearer can I get?

Lebron wouldn't be as good in the 80's or early 90's, because the only area where he's elite WASN'T AVAILABLE (screen-roll/drive-and-kick), due to the lack of 3-point shooting.

This is a mathematical fact - drive-and-kick isn't worth it without 3-point shooting, which is why it wasn't used back then like it is today.

Do you have trouble reading? I said dont quote your prior stuff. Simple answer, what level would Lebron be in the 90s? Top 10, top 5? Top 50?Scrub? I want a simple reply. Saying he wouldnt be as good isnt very specific.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:facepalm ... MJ scoring on 19-year old Kobe IS material - age has nothing to do with physical defensive capability - 19-year old Kobe was a better defender than 27-year old Kobe.. Also, MJ scoring on young Kobe has nothing to do with 40-year old MJ being a better player than 18-year old Lebron, which was the post you responded to:

40-year old MJ in 2003: 20.0 ppg.. 44.5% fg.. 49.1% ts.. 19.3 PER
Rookie Lebron in 2004:. 20.9 ppg.. 41.7% fg.. 48.8% ts.. 18.3 PER


I mean, is it really a surprise that MJ was better than Lebron at the time they were closest to playing in the NBA at the same time?.. :rolleyes:

oh so age has nothing to do with defensive capability but age totally destroys offensive capability which is why Kobe's block on Jordan isn't impressive

you fuccing hypocrite

:oldlol: :oldlol:

yeah i'm sure Kobe at 18 had all the experience and defensive prowess in the world, if you think an MVP version of MJ scoring on 18 year old Kobe is impressive then Kobe must be un fuccing believable... nice dude..

:applause: :applause:

[3ball]

kobe dropped 55 on him
iverson had huge games against him


Blatant lies - MJ wasn't matched up with these guys - for Kobe's 55 point game, Stackhouse guarded him the entire game - and this is a well-known fact.

Anytime someone must lie to make a point, it means their argument is wrong.
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[3ball]

oh so age has nothing to do with defensive capability but age totally destroys offensive capability which is why Kobe's block on Jordan isn't impressive


No more impressive than MJ getting blocked by anyone else.. or anyone else getting blocked by anyone else - players get blocked in basketball.. it's not a big deal or thread-worthy... I guess it's only thread worthy if it's the GOAT being blocked - that must be it.. :confusedshrug:

Also, MJ destroyed 19-year old Kobe... The first time Kobe guarded MJ, MJ blew by him and dunked and had the commentators laughing....

Then MJ scored on Kobe 5 times in the all-star game, to Kobe's zero.. MJ scored on Kobe with ease, in pretty much every way imagineable... I can tell I'm going to have to make my 18 gifs again that show MJ scoring on Kobe a total of 14 times in his career, to Kobe's 4 (Kobe's 4 INCLUDES the Wizards years.. MJ's 14 does not - I had enough from his Bulls days).. :oldlol:
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[3ball]

Simple answer, what level would Lebron be in the 90s? Top 10, top 5? Top 50?Scrub?


It's too hard to say how Lebron would do if he had to score primarily via the methods he's not elite at - post-ups, midrange and isolations.

But intuitively, if he's forced to score via methods that he's not elite, that would mean he's not an elite player.

[Dragonyeuw]

It's too hard to say how Lebron would do if he had to score primarily via the methods he's not elite at - post-ups, midrange and isolations.

But intuitively, if he's forced to score via methods that he's not elite, that would mean he's not an elite player.

So you're basically saying that Lebron is an era-specific star, manufactured by the rules and style of this generation.

[G0ATbe]

Then MJ scored on Kobe 5 times in the all-star game, to Kobe's zero.. MJ scored on Kobe with ease, in pretty much every way imagineable... I can tell I'm going to have to make my 18 gifs again that show MJ scoring on Kobe a total of 14 times in his career, to Kobe's 4 (Kobe's 4 INCLUDES the Wizards years.. MJ's 14 does not - I had enough from his Bulls days).. :oldlol:
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You and I both know Jordan would routinely avoided guarding Kobe at all costs. It's a miracle Kobe scored on him at all with how little time he would check him. Teenagerbe on the other hand was fearless, unlike MJ, and wanted to guard him every possession he was on the floor. 14 fgs for a career isn't impressive at all:lol .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iHXoUl5bmo
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[Coach Eddie]

Against Wizards Jordan. Very disappointing.

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

Even kobe himself admitted that he would lost his calm when he guarded MJ.

No doubt it was a great block though.


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/2oQABh.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/4UDNfh.gif


MJ destroyed Kobe in the game that this block occurred.. He scored on Kobe twice (seen above, including the AND1) to Kobe's once (which was in transition).

Wizards won this game when MJ's team persevered and outsmarted Kobe's stacked, 3-time defending champion team, who CHOKED on the final possession to lose to MJ..

Btw, the 2 gifs shown above of MJ scoring on Kobe are in addition to the 14 times MJ scored on Kobe as a Bull - otoh, Kobe scored on MJ a grand total of 5 times in his entire career.

[RidonKs]

that top gif is awesome, old man strength and balance and grit on full display

[DonDadda59]

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/2oQABh.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-05-2015/4UDNfh.gif


MJ destroyed Kobe in the game that this block occurred.. He scored on Kobe twice (seen above, including the AND1) to Kobe's once (which was in transition).

Wizards won this game when MJ's team persevered and outsmarted Kobe's stacked, 3-time defending champion team, who CHOKED on the final possession to lose to MJ..

Btw, the 2 gifs shown above of MJ scoring on Kobe are in addition to the 14 times MJ scored on Kobe as a Bull - otoh, Kobe scored on MJ a grand total of 5 times in his entire career.

Damn, even as a senior citizen with no knees MJ was so much stronger than Bean.

[3ball]

After I watched kobe blocked MJ in this clip, I finally know why kobe bites MJ's fakes every single times. As you can see, you can tell kobe didn't even have a bit hesitated to jump. He just wanted to block that shot badly.




This is exactly true - here's MJ in the 1998 all-star game, doing the exact same move in the exact same spot - but he uses the fake that you allude to, and jukes the HELL out of Kobe.

Only Shaq's goaltend can save the young fella.. :oldlol:


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[Elosha]

Kobe WAS in his prime in 2002.. That was his 6th season and he was 23 years old with 2 rings already... What more can you want?.. It's severe nitpicking to be like "well, it wasn't Kobe's VERY best season, so he wasn't in his prime"... :rolleyes: ... Making an excuse for Kobe in 2002 by saying his wasn't in his prime yet is RIDICULOUS.

Anytime a player is compared to MJ, they are given EVERY SINGLE POSSIBLE advantage and benefit of the doubt (like saying 2002 wasn't quiiiiite Kobe's prime... :rolleyes:)..... while MJ is held to ridiculously strict standards and guys nitpick the hell out of him - if other players were held to the same standard as MJ, it wouldn't be a conversation, because they'd look so much worse.

Dude, you need to step off the crazy train. You're seriously trying to rip on me after I clearly state any Bulls version of Jordan was significantly better than 2002 Kobe, just because I state that Kobe wasn't quite at his peak in 2002? Of course, he was in his "prime" in 2002 but, as I said, he wasn't at the absolute zenith of his skills/athleticism. His peak was arguably 2005-2008. Those versions of Kobe also weren't as good as MJ, but he was still playing at an all-time great level.

Defending/advocating for Jordan vigorously is one thing. Expressing the level of insecurity and paranoia you do at times is just silly.

[3ball]

Dude, you need to step off the crazy train. You're seriously trying to rip on me after I clearly state any Bulls version of Jordan was significantly better than 2002 Kobe, just because I state that Kobe wasn't quite at his peak in 2002? Of course, he was in his "prime" in 2002 but, as I said, he wasn't at the absolute zenith of his skills/athleticism. His peak was arguably 2005-2008. Those versions of Kobe also weren't as good as MJ, but he was still playing at an all-time great level.

Defending/advocating for Jordan vigorously is one thing. Expressing the level of insecurity and paranoia you do at times is just silly.
You're right but
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[NZStreetBaller]

Wooooo!!! Kobe with a block and a steal within split seconds on the goat as well.

[AirFederer]

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Jordan blocks Kobe :D