Kobe is the 2nd GOAT...video of me explaining it...

[stalkerforlife]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wgbqgSu-g&feature=youtu.be

I used to think Kareem was 2nd, but Kobe's simply better. Kobe won with far inferior casts and faced far superior competition.

Kobe is 2nd to Michael Jordan all time and that is set in stone.

[ArbitraryWater]

loool...

before your long ass ban you were on here saying Kobe should be top 5, had your shit pushed back in by Blaze...

then it was top 3, after MJ/Kareem....

now 2nd? so much changed again?

[stalkerforlife]

loool...

before your long ass ban you were on here saying Kobe should be top 5, had your shit pushed back in by Blaze...

then it was top 3, after MJ/Kareem....

now 2nd? so much changed again?

Correct.

[DoctorP]

go outside.

[Dragonyeuw]

3 minutes I'll never get back.

Fcuk.

[kennethgriffin]

OP taking the words right out of my mouth


i would have went into way more detail.. probably better to make it short and sweet. good vid


props to OP for speaking truth


he has me convinced. and even i had kareem higher

[Young X]

Kobe has 0 case over Jordan. Stop it.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe has 0 case over Jordan. Stop it.

depends on what you value


someone could say

- 2 titles without a legendary sidekick > 0 without a legendary sidekick
- 11 first team all nbas > 10 first team all nbas
- 17th year 1st team all nba and done > 13th year 1st team all nba and done
- 81 > 69 in double OT
- 62 in 3 > 61 in 4
- 25 teams with 50+ wins beatin > 20 teams with 50+ wins beatin
- facing lebron, westbrook, durant, wade, pierce, kidd, billups, allen, tmac, iverson, vince, ginobili, rose, melo, harden >>>>>>>> facing jeff hornacek and reggie miller

[Crystallas]

People don't GAF who you think the GOAT is. Who you think the second GOAT is, or your top 10.

[kennethgriffin]

People don't GAF who you think the GOAT is.


hes talking about 2nd goat doe

[Deuce Bigalow]

What about Mikan doe?

[warriorfan]

lebron stans getting so shook :roll: :roll: :roll:

[mehyaM24]

kobe can't be goat and here's why...

take the lakers first three peat for example.

in 2000, shaq carried one of heaviest burdens in history, right there with hakeem in 1994. his supposed "second best player", kobe, was outscored by multiple players in the finals, including a role player - and yet the lakers still won that series in 6.


how you ask? shaq average 38 & 17 and played elite defense.


you don't think carter, iverson or even tmac could have replicated role player status in 2000, and not win a ring with MDE shaq?


in 2001, the lakers went 15-1 in the postseason, and att, iverson & carter had arguably their greatest postseasons of their careers. people can act like kobe wasn't replaceable, but these guys would've done the same thing kobe did in his role (run the laker offense aka play off shaq).


2002? this was kobe's worst season as a "superstar". tmac and iverson were probably better anyway, so its not out of the question the lakers STILL three peat.


carter & iverson (even tmac to some degree) all had wear & tear because they had to carry their franchises from day one. playing with shaq would have remedied that, tons.


all in all, kobe is a great player who gets overrated by idiots. there have been tons of "great" players though.

bottom line? kobe is a very lucky player who happened to be drafted into the GOAT franchise.

overall, a top 10-15 player max. probably better than any 2 guard mj faced, but facts are facts.

[JohnMax]

http://picosong.com/JLpL/

[NZStreetBaller]

OP taking the words right out of my mouth


i would have went into way more detail.. probably better to make it short and sweet. good vid


props to OP for speaking truth


he has me convinced. and even i had kareem higher

Ur vid wud be 35mins long.....

[GrapeApe]

Stalker approaching legend status. :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

OP taking the words right out of my mouth


i would have went into way more detail.. probably better to make it short and sweet. good vid


props to OP for speaking truth


he has me convinced. and even i had kareem higher

You're the one that convinced me Kobe was top 3 to 5. Turn around is fair play.

[stalkerforlife]

depends on what you value


someone could say

- 2 titles without a legendary sidekick > 0 without a legendary sidekick
- 11 first team all nbas > 10 first team all nbas
- 17th year 1st team all nba and done > 13th year 1st team all nba and done
- 81 > 69 in double OT
- 62 in 3 > 61 in 4
- 25 teams with 50+ wins beatin > 20 teams with 50+ wins beatin
- facing lebron, westbrook, durant, wade, pierce, kidd, billups, allen, tmac, iverson, vince, ginobili, rose, melo, harden >>>>>>>> facing jeff hornacek and reggie miller

Well said. I have MJ first, but like I stated...the gap isn't as far as some think. Kobe faced better players. Bigger players. Longer players. More athletic players. Kobe played in a much tougher conference and NBA.

[BoutPractice]

Kobe's one of the greatest to ever do it, but let's not rewrite history as if he did everything on his own in 2009 and 2010. 1994 Hakeem he wasn't.

First, Pau Gasol is going to the HOF. One of the most versatile, fundamentally sound and high IQ 7 footers ever who's a 2 time champion, 5 time all-star, 4 time all-nba teamer, a 2 time Spanish league champion, Spanish league MVP, and the most dominant FIBA player of his era (Eurobasket MVP, World Cup MVP, world championship gold medalist, 2 time European gold medalist and Olympic silver medalist) as the leader of Spain's 'golden generation' of basketball… it would be a travesty if he doesn't make it.

We've mythologized players like Kevin McHale and James Worthy now that they've retired, but Pau Gasol isn't noticeably worse than them - if you think they were on a whole different level it's only because we don't have the perspective given by hindsight yet. Unlike them Gasol even had the chance to prove he could be the first wheel on his own team, leading a Western team to 3 straight playoff appearances - for example, in 2005, while Kobe's Lakers had a negative record, Gasol was able to get a team whose best players were Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Bonzi Wells, Jason Williams and Stromile Swift a playoff spot. Pau was still in his prime when playing with Kobe… he also happened to be the perfect triangle bigman due to his passing ability. I don't personally think he deserved the 2010 FMVP, but the fact that it's being discussed ever so often, and the fact that some, including Kobe fans, blame the 2008 loss (as well as the 2011 and 2013 disappointments) on him show how critical he was to that unit… Heck, he's still doing it - last year, a past his prime Pau had a 46/18 game and no one noticed.

That team also had one of the most talented and intimidating young bigs in the league at the time averaging 15 and 8 (how he turned out shouldn't make you forget that he was once seen as a potential future great, and there was even talk of Twin Towers) Lamar Odom and Ron Artest (two world class, versatile role players with all star talent who were only 30 at the time) as well as Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher who have been key contributors in every winning Kobe team. The Lakers were sometimes called a superteam, effectively the Celtics of the West as the Gasol trade was widely seen as unfair at the time (no one knew that Marc would be even on the same planet as Pau).

Not to take anything away from Kobe, as he was clearly the lead engine of that team, but he had at least average help, and not far below average as some have claimed...

[Coach Eddie]

OP, you admit to being super beta, so why should I trust your opinion on who is most alpha?

[KembaWalker]

OP, you admit to being super beta, so why should I trust your opinion on who is most alpha?

Because you can't trust an opinion of an alpha, we just put ourselves as most alpha

[stalkerforlife]

OP, you admit to being super beta, so why should I trust your opinion on who is most alpha?

Because I know a beta when I see one...because I am one. Therefore, I know an alpha when I see one...because i'm not one.

Most men are confused about who they are and never experience the self realization that I have experienced. Therefore, they can't be trusted.

[RidonKs]

Because I know a beta when I see one...because I am one. Therefore, I know an alpha when I see one...because i'm not one.

Most men are confused about who they are and never experience the self realization that I have experienced. Therefore, they can't be trusted.
so it DOESNT take one to know one!

[ShawkFactory]

That's always my favorite argument, that Kobe won with inferior supporting casts thus he's > whoever.

He also beat inferior teams.

He won a championship with ONLY Pau (which is stupid in itself but I digress)...but he didn't defeat Bird, McHale, Parish, DJ, etc.

Or the bad boys. Or Moses, Dr. J, Toney, Cheeks, etc

Context is your friend.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

He can be top 10. :confusedshrug:

2nd is ridiculous.

[RidonKs]

the 09 magic are one of the very worst finals teams in nba history. lakers might well have lost to the cavs had lebron made it through

celtics 10 were pretty washed up. kg putting up 14/7, nobody scoring more than 20. well balanced team with decent depth so that was a good victory but those celtics would have been thrashed by any finals champion in the last 25 years besides a few teams like the pistons or mavs that might struggle.

[greatest-ever]

Your dismissal of Pau Gasol is silly, and ridiculous to say he isn't a top 100 player. I think he's top 70 easily. Pau was a 20 10 type player before he went to LA so it ain't like he was some scrub and Kobe somehow turned him into some vastly better player.

The mentioning of Kobe's all Nba teams, and especially all defensive teams is arbitrary and meaningless. He got about half of those defensive selections on reputation alone.

Those 08-10 lakers teams certainly were not the worst supporting cast of all time lol. Pau an elite offensive big man at that time, Odom a verstaile ball handling power forward, a good perimeter defender in each run first Ariza, then Metta, with Phil Jackson coaching? There was nothing weak about that cast, even Dirk had a weaker cast in 2011.

[ArbitraryWater]

[QUOTE=BoutPractice]Kobe's one of the greatest to ever do it, but let's not rewrite history as if he did everything on his own in 2009 and 2010. 1994 Hakeem he wasn't.

First, Pau Gasol is going to the HOF. One of the most versatile, fundamentally sound and high IQ 7 footers ever who's a 2 time champion, 5 time all-star, 4 time all-nba teamer, a 2 time Spanish league champion, Spanish league MVP, and the most dominant FIBA player of his era (Eurobasket MVP, World Cup MVP, world championship gold medalist, 2 time European gold medalist and Olympic silver medalist) as the leader of Spain's 'golden generation' of basketball

[ISHGoat]

Not even a top 20 player. If I needed to win a playoff series i'd take about 30 players in the history of the NBA over him, unless ofcourse I'm also getting peak Shaq or prime pau + odom + bynum.

[Hey Yo]

loool...

before your long ass ban you were on here saying Kobe should be top 5, had your shit pushed back in by Blaze...

then it was top 3, after MJ/Kareem....

now 2nd? so much changed again?
He now knows how to download video's on YT and just looking for attention.

[DatAsh]

That's always my favorite argument, that Kobe won with inferior supporting casts thus he's > whoever.

He also beat inferior teams.

He won a championship with ONLY Pau (which is stupid in itself but I digress)...but he didn't defeat Bird, McHale, Parish, DJ, etc.

Or the bad boys. Or Moses, Dr. J, Toney, Cheeks, etc

Context is your friend.

Jordan didn't really beat many of those guys either. They got old.

[Vaniiiia]

Jordan didn't really beat many of those guys either. They got old.
Well no shit, they're both massively overrated. Ones just clearly better than the other. (Jordan > Kobe)

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe's one of the greatest to ever do it, but let's not rewrite history as if he did everything on his own in 2009 and 2010. 1994 Hakeem he wasn't.

First, Pau Gasol is going to the HOF. One of the most versatile, fundamentally sound and high IQ 7 footers ever who's a 2 time champion, 5 time all-star, 4 time all-nba teamer, a 2 time Spanish league champion, Spanish league MVP, and the most dominant FIBA player of his era (Eurobasket MVP, World Cup MVP, world championship gold medalist, 2 time European gold medalist and Olympic silver medalist) as the leader of Spain's 'golden generation' of basketball… it would be a travesty if he doesn't make it.

We've mythologized players like Kevin McHale and James Worthy now that they've retired, but Pau Gasol isn't noticeably worse than them - if you think they were on a whole different level it's only because we don't have the perspective given by hindsight yet. Unlike them Gasol even had the chance to prove he could be the first wheel on his own team, leading a Western team to 3 straight playoff appearances - for example, in 2005, while Kobe's Lakers had a negative record, Gasol was able to get a team whose best players were Shane Battier, Mike Miller, Bonzi Wells, Jason Williams and Stromile Swift a playoff spot. Pau was still in his prime when playing with Kobe… he also happened to be the perfect triangle bigman due to his passing ability. I don't personally think he deserved the 2010 FMVP, but the fact that it's being discussed ever so often, and the fact that some, including Kobe fans, blame the 2008 loss (as well as the 2011 and 2013 disappointments) on him show how critical he was to that unit… Heck, he's still doing it - last year, a past his prime Pau had a 46/18 game and no one noticed.

That team also had one of the most talented and intimidating young bigs in the league at the time averaging 15 and 8 (how he turned out shouldn't make you forget that he was once seen as a potential future great, and there was even talk of Twin Towers) Lamar Odom and Ron Artest (two world class, versatile role players with all star talent who were only 30 at the time) as well as Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher who have been key contributors in every winning Kobe team. The Lakers were sometimes called a superteam, effectively the Celtics of the West as the Gasol trade was widely seen as unfair at the time (no one knew that Marc would be even on the same planet as Pau).

Not to take anything away from Kobe, as he was clearly the lead engine of that team, but he had at least average help, and not far below average as some have claimed...


We've mythologized players like Kevin McHale and James Worthy now that they've retired, but Pau Gasol isn't noticeably worse than them - if you think they were on a whole different level it's only because we don't have the perspective given by hindsight yet. Unlike them Gasol even had the chance to prove he could be the first wheel on his own team, leading a Western team to 3 straight playoff appearances

this was cringe worthy stuff

Kevin McHale is one of the best low post players ever..

He was putting up 26/10 on championship level teams.. He won a championship putting up 25/9.. he led the 86 Celtics in scoring during the finals..

McHale led the possible GOAT team in scoring during the finals..

some people consider the 86 Celtics the best team of all time.. a team where McHale put up better numbers than Pau could ever dream of..

in the 86 playoffs McHale was putting up 25/9 with 2 blocks per game on 58% FG.. Pau never got close to putting up anything like that...



I don't personally think he deserved the 2010 FMVP, but the fact that it's being discussed ever so often,

you're really giving to much credit to trolls, same people who put Lebron over Jordan


That team also had one of the most talented and intimidating young bigs in the league at the time averaging 15 and 8 (how he turned out shouldn't make you forget that he was once seen as a potential future great, and there was even talk of Twin Towers) Lamar Odom and Ron Artest (two world class, versatile role players with all star talent who were only 30 at the time) as well as Phil Jackson and Derek Fisher who have been key contributors in every winning Kobe team.


That team also had one of the most talented and intimidating young bigs in the league at the time averaging 15 and 8

wow talk about mythologizing players :oldlol:

Bynum put up 6 & 4 for the first championship run and like 9 & 6 for the second while playing like 24 mpg at most during the playoffs..


Lamar Odom and Ron Artest (two world class, versatile role players with all star talent who were only 30 at the time)

there was nothing world class about Artest by 2010.. 10 points on 39% with worse defense than Ariza from the previous year..

Odom was known as the most inconsistent player in the league (out of players who were actually good enough to matter)

describing these guys as "world class" is laughable.. Odom would play one game and look great and then you forgot he was on the team for the next 2..


Derek Fisher who have been key contributors in every winning Kobe team.

and was the worst starting pg in the league during the time..


The Lakers were sometimes called a superteam,

dude you are taking the whispers of trolls and trying to pass them off as fact..

can you even name the players that made up the Lakers bench?

Luke Walton was our best bench player outside of Odom, and in 08 we had Vlad Radmonovic start every game of the finals..


Pau was great during those runs, Odom was good but very inconsistent, and I personally loved Ariza's game in 09.. but you are greatly exaggerating how good these players were..

[TheMarkMadsen]

and as far as Gasol leading teams to the playoffs.. they never even won a game sooooooooo :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

and you're really confused if you think there is any difference between Lakers Pau and Bulls Pau..

everything that made Pau really good is still there.. his game wasn't based off athleticism.. 15 Pau is no different than 09/10 Pau..

and as we have just saw in the last playoffs on a better team than those grizzlies teams.. his game shrunk, he sat out with injuries he could have played through and he was just soft all around in these past playoffs..

you are falling into the trap of "i don't want to underrated him so i'll overrate him"

Pau was really good but not on the level you are trying to put him on

[ArbitraryWater]

ESPN (THE Kobe slurpers) had 2 guys saying Gasol was FMVP RIGHT AFTER the series... 'just trolls' lol

[ArbitraryWater]

and as far as Gasol leading teams to the playoffs.. they never even won a game sooooooooo :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

and you're really confused if you think there is any difference between Lakers Pau and Bulls Pau..

everything that made Pau really good is still there.. his game wasn't based off athleticism.. 15 Pau is no different than 09/10 Pau..

and as we have just saw in the last playoffs on a better team than those grizzlies teams.. his game shrunk, he sat out with injuries he could have played through and he was just soft all around in these past playoffs..

you are falling into the trap of "i don't want to underrated him so i'll overrate him"

Pau was really good but not on the level you are trying to put him on

you're out here talking about trolls and then we get some cringey retarded shit like this

[stalkerforlife]

Your dismissal of Pau Gasol is silly, and ridiculous to say he isn't a top 100 player. I think he's top 70 easily. Pau was a 20 10 type player before he went to LA so it ain't like he was some scrub and Kobe somehow turned him into some vastly better player.

The mentioning of Kobe's all Nba teams, and especially all defensive teams is arbitrary and meaningless. He got about half of those defensive selections on reputation alone.

Those 08-10 lakers teams certainly were not the worst supporting cast of all time lol. Pau an elite offensive big man at that time, Odom a verstaile ball handling power forward, a good perimeter defender in each run first Ariza, then Metta, with Phil Jackson coaching? There was nothing weak about that cast, even Dirk had a weaker cast in 2011.

It always is to unreasonably biased haters. You're preaching to the choir. Just go ahead and take whatever you deem to be 'meaningful' and the world will revolve around it.

[TheMarkMadsen]

you're out here talking about trolls and then we get some cringey retarded shit like this

tell us what the difference between 2015 Pau and 2009/10 Pau is then if that is so cringe worthy..

his game is based of height and skill both of which he hasn't lost..

his best year with the lakers he put up 19/10

this year he put up 19/12..

I watched him play this year and with the Lakers.. there really isn't any difference in his game from now and then..

there really isn't any difference..

[stalkerforlife]

this was cringe worthy stuff

Kevin McHale is one of the best low post players ever..

He was putting up 26/10 on championship level teams.. He won a championship putting up 25/9.. he led the 86 Celtics in scoring during the finals..

McHale led the possible GOAT team in scoring during the finals..

some people consider the 86 Celtics the best team of all time.. a team where McHale put up better numbers than Pau could ever dream of..

in the 86 playoffs McHale was putting up 25/9 with 2 blocks per game on 58% FG.. Pau never got close to putting up anything like that...




you're really giving to much credit to trolls, same people who put Lebron over Jordan





wow talk about mythologizing players :oldlol:

Bynum put up 6 & 4 for the first championship run and like 9 & 6 for the second while playing like 24 mpg at most during the playoffs..



there was nothing world class about Artest by 2010.. 10 points on 39% with worse defense than Ariza from the previous year..

Odom was known as the most inconsistent player in the league (out of players who were actually good enough to matter)

describing these guys as "world class" is laughable.. Odom would play one game and look great and then you forgot he was on the team for the next 2..



and was the worst starting pg in the league during the time..



dude you are taking the whispers of trolls and trying to pass them off as fact..

can you even name the players that made up the Lakers bench?

Luke Walton was our best bench player outside of Odom, and in 08 we had Vlad Radmonovic start every game of the finals..


Pau was great during those runs, Odom was good but very inconsistent, and I personally loved Ariza's game in 09.. but you are greatly exaggerating how good these players were..

Ether. No really...ETHER. Smoked like a gosh darn :biggums: out of a sprite bottle.

Thanks, bro.

[ArbitraryWater]

tell us what the difference between 2015 Pau and 2009/10 Pau is then if that is so cringe worthy..

his game is based of height and skill both of which he hasn't lost..

his best year with the lakers he put up 19/10

this year he put up 19/12..

I watched him play this year and with the Lakers.. there really isn't any difference in his game from now and then..

there really isn't any difference..

just because someone's game is less reliable on athleticism, doesnt mean that going from age 30 to 35 in a professional sport won't matter :roll: :facepalm

You are truly the piss of sports fans

Question, WHEN will it make a difference? Since his game is 'based on skill' and all, will he continue to play at 2010 playoffs level until 40?

[Vaniiiia]

you're out here talking about trolls and then we get some cringey retarded shit like this
:roll:

TheMarkMadsen exposed and ethered in one sentence.

:applause:

[Vaniiiia]

just because someone's game is less reliable on athleticism, doesnt mean that going from age 30 to 35 in a professional sport won't matter :roll: :facepalm

You are truly the piss of sports fans

Question, WHEN will it make a difference? Since his game is 'based on skill' and all, will he continue to play at 2010 playoffs level until 40?
Nah man... Timmy D is the SAME EXACT player he was in 03.

IF NOT BETTER.

Aging doesn't matter... ask Kobe.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nah man... Timmy D is the SAME EXACT player he was in 03.

IF NOT BETTER.

Aging doesn't matter... ask Kobe.

:roll:

[KembaWalker]

:biggums: at Gasol of 09/10 not being comparable to Gasol of 15

Do you not see the stats, did you not see him play

Even analyst were talking bout last season arguably being his best

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums: at Gasol of 09/10 not being comparable to Gasol of 15

Do you not see the stats, did you not see him play

Even analyst were talking bout last season arguably being his best

https://i.gyazo.com/0f02f637d41251a132766c2c814d14a8.png

the backhanded compliment is strong with Kobe fans

[stalkerforlife]

Video of me explaining Pau's soft tendencies...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es0jt6za2Uc&feature=youtu.be

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nah man... Timmy D is the SAME EXACT player he was in 03.

IF NOT BETTER.

Aging doesn't matter... ask Kobe.

03 Duncan: 23/13/4/2

15 Duncan: 14/7/3/2


keep acting like a moron

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[KembaWalker]

https://i.gyazo.com/0f02f637d41251a132766c2c814d14a8.png

the backhanded compliment is strong with Kobe fans

I couldn't give a fvck about your little top 10 battles

But someone is coming off looking completely stupid for believing that comparing Gasol 09/10 to Gasol 15 is, 'some cringey retarded sh*t'

[ArbitraryWater]

BREAKING: GUY WHO SYMPATHIZES WITH KOBE BELIEVES 35 YEAR OLD GASOL NO DIFFERENT THAN PRIME GASOL KOBE WON WITH

[stalkerforlife]

03 Duncan: 23/13/4/2

15 Duncan: 14/7/3/2


keep acting like a moron

:oldlol: :oldlol:

lol

Kobe haters have no low.

[TheMarkMadsen]

why is this so difficult to understand for lebron stans.. :confusedshrug:

Pau undoubtedly had one of his better seasons in 2015, put up 19/12 which is better than what he did at his best with the lakers yet it's unfathomable to think there isn't much difference between Bulls Pau and Lakers Pau.. :lol

[Vaniiiia]

03 Duncan: 23/13/4/2

15 Duncan: 14/7/3/2


keep acting like a moron

:oldlol: :oldlol:
I don't even know what point you're trying to make by saying any of this.

So Pau hasn't regressed at all? Then why were you idiots making excuses in 2011, 2012, 2013 for Pau sucking ass and being washed up. Oh, it was KOBE who was washed up. Makes sense now! Which is why you losers choked in 2011 and got SHIT ON in 2012 against my Thunder. And my GOD was Kobe awful in both of those series. Had plenty of help like he always has.

And Pau was injured for the Cavs series or they likely win that series and go on to beat Golden State.

Pau wins FMVP and SOARS up the all-time list, tarnishing Kobes legacy even more.

But luckily for you it didn't happen, and his injury cost the Bulls the title.

[Megabox!]

3 minutes I'll never get back.

Fcuk.
I don't even know why you bother clicking on any of his videos :oldlol:

[Vaniiiia]

lol

Kobe haters have no low.
Says the guy begging for money so his children can eat.

YES I WENT THERE BRO!

I'll come kick your ass too if you keep talking shit about my BOY LeBron. Bet that.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think you then need to learn the difference between season and player, Gasol statistically matched his 2010 self, at 35 y/o he had an extremely impressive season, leading the league in double doubles.. the same player proclaimed to be 'done' by the Kobetards in 2013, but as a player, he doesn't compare to his prime top 10 self, nowadays he's top 30. Probably even past that, now.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I don't even know what point you're trying to make by saying any of this.

So Pau hasn't regressed at all? Then why were you idiots making excuses in 2011, 2012, 2013 for Pau sucking ass and being washed up. Oh, it was KOBE who was washed up. Makes sense now! Which is why you losers choked in 2011 and got SHIT ON in 2012 against my Thunder. And my GOD was Kobe awful in both of those series. Had plenty of help like he always has.

And Pau was injured for the Cavs series or they likely win that series and go on to beat Golden State.

Pau wins FMVP and SOARS up the all-time list, tarnishing Kobes legacy even more.

But luckily for you it didn't happen, and his injury cost the Bulls the title.

there was absolutly nothing wrong with Pau during the 2011 & 2012 regular seasons :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

It was in the playoffs of 2011 where he noticeably looked.. we'll just say uninterested.. and then again in the 2012 playoffs he under-performed severely and his ppg and efficiency plummeted..

2013 Pau was clearly being used incorrectly, he was also not happy with the coach, they beefed, he underperformed... Now that he is in Chicago with a good team around him that allows him to do what he does best he flourished again..


And my GOD was Kobe awful in both of those series. Had plenty of help like he always has.

2012 playoffs:

Kobe = 30/5/5 on 53% TS

Pau = 13/9/4 on 48% TS

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think you then need to learn the difference between season and player, Gasol statistically matched his 2010 self, at 35 y/o he had an extremely impressive season, leading the league in double doubles.. the same player proclaimed to be 'done' by the Kobetards in 2013, but as a player, he doesn't compare to his prime top 10 self, nowadays he's top 30. Probably even past that, now.

this is hilarious

Pau puts up 19/10 in 09 and he is top 10 according to you..

Pau puts up 19/12 in 15 and is arguably the best player on a playoff team and isn't top 30 according to you..

yeah we see what you really think about Pau when he's performing well and there's no Kobe playing with him to further your agenda

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Vaniiiia]

there was absolutly nothing wrong with Pau during the 2011 & 2012 regular seasons :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

It was in the playoffs of 2011 where he noticeably looked.. we'll just say uninterested.. and then again in the 2012 playoffs he under-performed severely and his ppg and efficiency plummeted..

2013 Pau was clearly being used incorrectly, he was also not happy with the coach, they beefed, he underperformed... Now that he is in Chicago with a good team around him that allows him to do what he does best he flourished again..



2012 playoffs:

Kobe = 30/5/5 on 53% TS

Pau = 13/9/4 on 48% TS
ether!

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

This thread is a perfect example WHY stats aren't the end all be all.

People obsessed with them are now angry that OTHER STATS suggest an adverse opinion to their own. :oldlol:

[HOoopCityJones]

Arbitrary exposing his lack of actual Basketball knowledge and reliance on stat watching, once again.

[stalkerforlife]

Says the guy begging for money so his children can eat.

YES I WENT THERE BRO!

I'll come kick your ass too if you keep talking shit about my BOY LeBron. Bet that.

I'm a beta loser.

People are still pretending Pau isn't soft as charmin without Kobe and that Bran isn't a bitch, though.

[stalkerforlife]

there was absolutly nothing wrong with Pau during the 2011 & 2012 regular seasons :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

It was in the playoffs of 2011 where he noticeably looked.. we'll just say uninterested.. and then again in the 2012 playoffs he under-performed severely and his ppg and efficiency plummeted..

2013 Pau was clearly being used incorrectly, he was also not happy with the coach, they beefed, he underperformed... Now that he is in Chicago with a good team around him that allows him to do what he does best he flourished again..



2012 playoffs:

Kobe = 30/5/5 on 53% TS

Pau = 13/9/4 on 48% TS

Ether.

These dudes are completely masochistic, it seems. You're beating them like a red headed step child.

[Vaniiiia]

I'm a beta loser.

People are still pretending Pau isn't soft as charmin without Kobe and that Bran isn't a bitch, though.
ether!

[stalkerforlife]

Arbitrary exposing his lack of actual Basketball knowledge and reliance on stat watching, once again.

I've seen only a few beat downs comparable to the one he's taking in this thread.

Unbelievable.

[stalkerforlife]

ether!

Agreed.

[ArbitraryWater]

Arbitrary exposing his lack of actual Basketball knowledge and reliance on stat watching, once again.


What kind of mental disability do you people have?

Madsen literally equaled 2015 Gasol to 2010 Gasol by saying "19/12 to 19/10", thats his entire argument... I am doing the opposite.. did you mis-read the usernames, what dot to your brain didn't understand any of this?

[HOoopCityJones]

What kind of mental disability do you people have?

Madsen literally equaled 2015 Gasol to 2010 Gasol by saying "19/12 to 19/10", thats his entire argument... I am doing the opposite.. did you mis-read the usernames, what dot to your brain didn't understand any of this?

You'd have been better off arguing he preformed relatively the same as in 2010 , instead of trying to equate a couple digit number difference or more as "better". That's why he's fuccing you with your own stat mongering logic.

Pau's playing in Chicago how he's capable of playing if you let him play his game, Madsen's point is that since 2010, Pau hasn't been able to replicate that play he's known for during the regular season in playoffs, and even this past post season supports this, he basically shut his whole season down because of a minor injury. He was arguably the Bulls first option on Offense when they really needed a basket and took himself out of the series.

He beat himself, before anyone on the Cavs could first and that's basically who Pau has always been.

[TheMarkMadsen]

What kind of mental disability do you people have?

Madsen literally equaled 2015 Gasol to 2010 Gasol by saying "19/12 to 19/10", thats his entire argument... I am doing the opposite.. did you mis-read the usernames, what dot to your brain didn't understand any of this?

by opposite do you mean bringing absolutly nothing to the table and making absolutly no counter point..

can you explain how he isn't just as good as he was in 09-10.. while putting up better numbers this year than he did with the Lakers, by making the all nba 2nd team (he was 3rd team in 09-10)

can you ad anything

can you even support your stance

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

[QUOTE]Pau Gasol is playing his best basketball since he was winning titles next to Kobe Bryant. Maybe even equal to that level

[ArbitraryWater]

Helpless... helpless... patting yourself on the back by saying you watched all his games last year (lie), and all you can tell us about him is "19/12" ? Gotta be kidding me.. why is he nowhere to be found in any lists ranking the actual best players? You can find a few articles for just about anything.. you can find articles for Kobe as GOAT.. BleacherReport shit.

[ArbitraryWater]

You'd have been better off arguing he preformed relatively the same as in 2010 , instead of trying to equate a couple digit number difference or more as "better". That's why he's fuccing you with your own stat mongering logic.

Pau's playing in Chicago how he's capable of playing if you let him play his game, Madsen's point is that since 2010, Pau hasn't been able to replicate that play he's known for during the regular season in playoffs, and even this past post season supports this, he basically shut his whole season down because of a minor injury. He was arguably the Bulls first option on Offense when they really needed a basket and took himself out of the series.

He beat himself, before anyone on the Cavs could first and that's basically who Pau has always been.

You're talking way besides the point.. Pau being the Bulls' Nr.1 reliable option offensively is one of the many reasons why Chicago, as good as they may be on paper, just isnt title made, again... this has been criticism for them all year long. Wake up.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Helpless... helpless... patting yourself on the back by saying you watched all his games last year (lie), and all you can tell us about him is "19/12" ? Gotta be kidding me.. why is he nowhere to be found in any lists ranking the actual best players? You can find a few articles for just about anything.. you can find articles for Kobe as GOAT.. BleacherReport shit.



Helpless... helpless... patting yourself on the back by saying you watched all his games last year (lie),

never said that :confusedshrug: I said I've watched him play as both a Laker and as a Bull,, stop lying when the evidence is literally 2 pages back


and all you can tell us about him is "19/12" ? Gotta be kidding me..

I've posted way more than that yet I'm still waiting for you to post anything substantial that actually backs up your stance



You can find a few articles for just about anything.. you can find articles for Kobe as GOAT.. BleacherReport shit.

is this all you've got :oldlol:

numerous articles speaking on Pau having one of his best years back up by evidence that he is having his best year and you've yet to post anything to counter that...

[Lebronxrings]

op backed out and removed the video. Good move trying to save face or whatever you got left.