The fact that anyone could ever think Kobe is in any way better than MJ is pathetic

[lilteapot]

MJ is a superior basketball player in every. single. way.

Better defender
Better scorer(Kobe scoring 81 doesn't negate this especially since MJ has averaged 30ppg through his career including his years with Washington)
Better, more efficient shooter
Better leader
Higher basketball IQ
Better post player

Kobe has the hotter wife, but MJ is clearly better than Kobe and anyone who says otherwise is a horrible human being.

[KembaWalker]

Actually most sane Kobe stans don't put Kobe ahead of MJ

It's those LeBron stans you gotta watch out for

[lilteapot]

Actually most sane Kobe stans don't put Kobe ahead of MJ

It's those LeBron stans you gotta watch out for
Too bad there are no sane Kobe fan on here.

Also, there's no such thing as a sane stan.

[3ball]

.
Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

MJ:.... 43.3 pts.. 8.3 reb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 118 ORtg
KOBE: 34.7 pts.. 6.9 reb.. 6.4 ast.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 110 ORtg


:kobe:


(per 100 possession stats account for differences in playing time and pace)

[Vaniiiia]

Funny when people act like Jordan and Kobe are irreplaceable legends...

Durant and LeBron are better than both of those guys... better physical specimens.... better players..

Jordan and Kobe are 6 ft 6 little dudes... who cant shoot from outside.

KD is a 7 footer with the most beautiful shot in history. LeBron is a 6'9 behemoth with the skill of Magic Johnson and the brute force of Karl Malone.

Those two little SG's Kobe and Jordan... lol

If Jordan was 5 inches taller he would have a case for GOAT. Kobe wouldn't have a case either way.

[lilteapot]

Funny when people act like Jordan and Kobe are irreplaceable legends...

Durant and LeBron are better than both of those guys... better physical specimens.... better players..

Jordan and Kobe are 6 ft 6 little dudes... who cant shoot from outside.

KD is a 7 footer with the most beautiful shot in history. LeBron is a 6'9 behemoth with the skill of Magic Johnson and the brute force of Karl Malone.

Those two little SG's Kobe and Jordan... lol

If Jordan was 5 inches taller he would have a case for GOAT. Kobe wouldn't have a case either way.

Nope, I won't let you derail this thread with your bullshit. Go kill yourself.

[sdot_thadon]

It's arguable that kobe is a better shooter, in regards to 3s at least.

[Vaniiiia]

Nope, I won't let you derail this thread with your bullshit. Go kill yourself.
God shut up. Someone needs to put a muzzle on your annoying ass.

this is you http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Anatomy+of+a+chihuahua_8a003e_5157060.jpg

[lilteapot]

It's arguable that kobe is a better shooter, in regards to 3s at least.
:lol
Kobe is NOT a good 3pt shooter. His career 3pt% is 33%, which is below average. His best 3pt shooting year was when he shot 38% which is respectable but nothing special. MJ shot 42 percent from 3 in 96.

Lebron is even a better 3pt shooter than Kobe, including last season where he shot horribly

[ISHGoat]

God shut up. Someone needs to put a muzzle on your annoying ass.

this is you http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Anatomy+of+a+chihuahua_8a003e_5157060.jpg
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Indian guy]

Did we travel back in time to 2010? Who's even arguing Kobe>MJ anymore? In fact, Kobe's such a non-threat that MJ fans actually like that comparison now. They'll gladly take that over LeBron vs. MJ.

[Naero]

Right, but is it even worth wasting your breath on this counterargument when there aren't more than a few regulars here who seriously push the comparison?

This isn't 2005-2008, when the fans and media widely misbelieved Kobe even had a breathing chance to catch up to Jordan; even some of the more radical Kobe stans I know have conceded to Jordan's superiority nowadays. If anything, they feel mainly slighted by today's all-time-great(-potential) superstars.

The only mindsets I know that compare Kobe to Jordan are either teenage passersby or extremistic trolls that are bound to end up banned due to such a propensity--both of which aren't bound to stick around these boards long, so most of your addressees won't even be around to read this.:confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe is the God of ISH, ya talk about him more than any other player.

[3ball]

Jordan and Kobe cant shoot from outside.


3/4 of all shots attempts are 2-pointers and Jordan is a far superior 2-point jumpshooter than both Durant and Lebron... The stats prove this - Durant only shoots 42% from midrange and long two's, while Lebron is only at 37%... Otoh, NBA.com stats show that MJ shot 52% from this distance in 1997.
.

[3ball]

:facepalm

[3ball]

MJ fans prefer the MJ vs. Kobe comparison over MJ vs. Lebron


Where did you get this?... That's completely ridiculous horseshit - Jordan fans MUCH prefer Jordan vs. Lebron.

Lebron played far weaker competition than Kobe did in the West, yet Lebron has far more playoff failures... it's much easier to argue MJ's superiority against 2/6 than 5/7.

Just look how many playoff series that Lebron lost where MJ or Kobe would've won - 2009-2011 - all three years... In 2014, MJ and Kobe don't set the record for blowout - they would take the necessary 30+ fga to stay competitive and give their team a chance.. But Lebron only took 17 fga and allowed his team to go down in the history books for margin of loss.





MJ vs. Lebron


Stats don't mean anything - they don't tell who the better player is... But regardless, MJ had the superior stats too - here are MJ and Lebron's per 100 stats in the playoffs:

JORDAN: 43.3 ppg.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 118 ortg.
LEBRON: 36.5 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 114 ortg


MJ scores 20% more scoring, gets more rebounds that matter, and gets equal assists when you consider turnovers... All this on better efficiency - it's MJ across the board... Unless you prefer a couple extra defensive rebounds... :rolleyes:

Of course, it's well-documented that MJ was the far superior 4th quarter scorer and clutch performer:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11533214&postcount=14

[sdot_thadon]

:lol
Kobe is NOT a good 3pt shooter. His career 3pt% is 33%, which is below average. His best 3pt shooting year was when he shot 38% which is respectable but nothing special. MJ shot 42 percent from 3 in 96.

Lebron is even a better 3pt shooter than Kobe, including last season where he shot horribly
MJ shot that percentage in a year with a shortened line.

[3ball]

Where is this notion coming from that Lebron is a GOOD shooter?

It's insane.. Teams exploit Lebron by letting him shoot open shots (see the 2013 Finals) - this proves he can't shoot - no more evidence is needed... If the Spurs tried to let Kobe or MJ shoot wide open, those guys would have 50 points.. It's ludicrous to imagine those guys getting wide open shots over and over... But that actually happened to Lebron, because he CAN'T shoot.

I'll also add that the stats prove Lebron isn't capable of good efficiency at high shot volume - the NBA's player-tracking stats show that Lebron is horrible at the additional midrange required of high volume shooting.

27 shot attempts per game (Lebron's average in 2015 Playoffs) cannot be achieved on all 3-and-D - good midrange is needed to shoot well at this volume.. Accordingly, Lebron's career 37% midrange efficiency precludes him from ever shooting well at very high volumes - this is a statistical fact.
.

[34-24 Footwork]

Kobe has been physically broken and been on a shitty team for the last 3 years...

...and somehow, he's still being compared to the GOAT and a player that's currently being hailed as the best in the game at the moment.

People that hate Kobe are constantly and indirectly comparing him to MJ or Lebron.

He's easily a top 5 player of all time. It's never been more clear. Basketball wise, he's been irrelevant since 2010.

...the rent is free:hammertime:

[34-24 Footwork]

Meanwhile, Lebron gets isolated against 38 year old Igoundala, loses the finals MVP to another role player and can't shoot a decent percentage from the field.:applause:

Iggy played lebron how I play against Lebron in 2k...and it worked. Wtf:biggums:

[lilteapot]

Meanwhile, Lebron gets isolated against 38 year old Igoundala, loses the finals MVP to another role player and can't shoot a decent percentage from the field.:applause:

Iggy played lebron how I play against Lebron in 2k...and it worked. Wtf:biggums:
It sure worked didn't it, he only averaged 36ppg and 12 rebounds pg. You absolute waste of life.

[KembaWalker]

It sure worked didn't it, he only averaged 36ppg and 12 rebounds pg. You absolute waste of life.

Yeah it did

http://www.etonline.com/news/2015/06/24158945/640_golden_state_warriors_477379208.jpg

[lilteapot]

Yeah it did

http://www.etonline.com/news/2015/06/24158945/640_golden_state_warriors_477379208.jpg

This means nothing. Come on, you're smarter than th---:lol :lol :lol :lol Who am I kidding, no you're not lmao

[KembaWalker]

This means nothing. Come on, you're smarter than th---:lol :lol :lol :lol Who am I kidding, no you're not lmao

Main goal is to win the championship, they achieved the goal, so it worked

But it kinda makes sense how winning a championship means 'nothing' to a LeBron fan









2/6 peace

[lilteapot]

Main goal is to win the championship, they achieved the goal, so it worked

But it kinda makes sense how winning a championship means 'nothing' to a LeBron fan





2/6 peace

How does letting lebron average 35/12/8 = championship? There's obviously another factor that the Warriors exposed that worked for them, you puny tramp.

Is your mother as worthless as you are? She must be.

[3ball]

You gotta understand Indian Guy - most MJ fans think Kobe is BETTER than Lebron.. Lebron played far weaker competition than Kobe did in the West, yet Lebron has far more playoff failures... it's much easier to argue MJ's superiority against 2/6 than 5/7.

The eye test also makes Kobe's superiority pretty evident to knowledgeable observers - Lebron is only elite in one area - primary ballhandler... Whereas, MJ and Kobe were elite in ALL areas - primary ballhandler, off-ball, midrange and isolations..

This is why they have better championship records - their superior versatility made them less exploitable on the biggest stage.. Again, Lebron lost a playoff series each year from 2009-2011.... MJ and Kobe would've won all 3 of those playoffs series that Lebron lost.

In 2014, MJ and Kobe would never have set the record for blowout - they would take the necessary 30+ fga to stay competitive and give their team a chance.. But Lebron only took 17 fga and allowed his team to go down in the history books for margin of loss.
.

[KembaWalker]

How does letting lebron average 35/12/8 = championship? There's obviously another factor that the Warriors exposed that worked for them, you puny tramp.

Is your mother as worthless as you are? She must be.

39-137 (28%) from outside of 5FT though

But his supporting cast was the only ones exposed right?

Warriors played him well, they won, it worked

But I can tell you getting mad doe, this lilteapot steaming

http://www.rewaj.pk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Teapot-Face-Steam.jpg

[lilteapot]

39-137 (28%) from outside of 5FT though

But his supporting cast was the only ones exposed right?

Warriors played him well, they won, it worked

But I can tell you getting mad doe, this lilteapot steaming

http://www.rewaj.pk/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Teapot-Face-Steam.jpg

What team are you a fan of?

[T_L_P]

.
Per 100 Possessions in Playoffs:

MJ:.... 43.3 pts.. 8.3 reb.. 7.4 ast.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. 118 ORtg
KOBE: 34.7 pts.. 6.9 reb.. 6.4 ast.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 110 ORtg


:kobe:


(per 100 possession stats account for differences in playing time and pace)

Jesus Christ. Jordan is so much better than Kobe when it counts that it's not even funny. :eek:

[AirFederer]

Funny when people act like Jordan and Kobe are irreplaceable legends...

Durant and LeBron are better than both of those guys... better physical specimens.... better players..

Jordan and Kobe are 6 ft 6 little dudes... who cant shoot from outside.

KD is a 7 footer with the most beautiful shot in history. LeBron is a 6'9 behemoth with the skill of Magic Johnson and the brute force of Karl Malone.

Those two little SG's Kobe and Jordan... lol

If Jordan was 5 inches taller he would have a case for GOAT. Kobe wouldn't have a case either way.

Hi puke/pauk

[34-24 Footwork]

Lebron fans are the only basketball fans in history that that don't emphasize championships/downplay their value.

Durant fans, Malone Fans, Stockton fans, Tmac fans....

No other fans do this. You guys are literally attempting to redefine success in the NBA because you know Lebron's time is up. Lol.

Nugga got isolated by Iggy. Lmao.

[lilteapot]

Lebron fans are the only basketball fans in history that that don't emphasize championships/downplay their value.

Durant fans, Malone Fans, Stockton fans, Tmac fans....

No other fans do this. You guys are literally attempting to redefine success in the NBA because you know Lebron's time is up. Lol.

Nugga got isolated by Iggy. Lmao.

When did you start watching basketball?

Now apparently Iguodala is a scrub. Lmao you know nothing about the game, little boy.

[Vaniiiia]

Lebron fans are the only basketball fans in history that that don't emphasize championships/downplay their value.

Durant fans, Malone Fans, Stockton fans, Tmac fans....

No other fans do this. You guys are literally attempting to redefine success in the NBA because you know Lebron's time is up. Lol.

Nugga got isolated by Iggy. Lmao.
K.

55 wins without MJ. Lottery without LeBron.

[TheMarkMadsen]

How does letting lebron average 35/12/8 = championship?

well as shown by the 2015 warriors if you allow bran to play hero ball and dare him to beat you with his iso game he'll put up 35 points on 33 shots while shooting horribly from outside the paint and missing almost every clutch jumper/ potential game winner he took..

[HOoopCityJones]

well as shown by the 2015 warriors if you allow bran to play hero ball and dare him to beat you with his iso game he'll put up 35 points on 33 shots while shooting horribly from outside the paint and missing almost every clutch jumper/ potential game winner he took..
:roll:

[34-24 Footwork]

When did you start watching basketball?

Now apparently Iguodala is a scrub. Lmao you know nothing about the game, little boy.


Why are you so upset? iggy isn't a scrub, you idiot. But he has no business isolated against the "best player on the planet". Lmao.

This isn't 2006, Sixers Iggy....

[lilteapot]

Why are you so upset? iggy isn't a scrub, you idiot. But he has no business isolated against the "best player on the planet". Lmao.

This isn't 2006, Sixers Iggy....
He's been known as one of the best defenders in the league for some time now. Try to actually follow the game you post about.

[34-24 Footwork]

Gesus :oldlol:

Leflop stans has taken their favorite talking point (FG%) to the woodshed and they don't even know.

R.I.P. to the FG% (Accumulated through dunks, fast breaks and layups) argument.

[34-24 Footwork]

He's been known as one of the best defenders in the league for some time now. Try to actually follow the game you post about.


I know I know......

Mavericks, Spurs and Golden State Warriors are the THREE BEST TEAMS to ever play basketball. That's the only reason Lebron led teams have loss.

Jason Terry, Barea, Stevenson, Diaw, Iggy, Leonard, 46 year old Duncan were all in their primes.

[lilteapot]

I know I know......

Mavericks, Spurs and Golden State Warriors are the THREE BEST TEAMS to ever play basketball. That's the only reason Lebron led teams have loss.

Jason Terry, Barea, Stevenson, Diaw, Iggy, Leonard, 46 year old Duncan were all in their primes.

Those three teams were historically good or led by a player/players who were having all-time great playoff runs (Dirk)

Again, you clearly just started watching basketball. Get some more years before you start talking nonsense.

Also, you idiot, Iggy is only 31.

[34-24 Footwork]

Those three teams were historically good or led by a player/players who were having all-time great playoff runs (Dirk)

Again, you clearly just started watching basketball. Get some more years before you start talking nonsense.

Also, you idiot, Iggy is only 31.


Jason Terry shitting on the existence of lebron had very little to do with being led by Dirk. Just like Leonard shooting 60% against Lebron in games 3, 4 and 5 in 2014. But I'm sure Leonard and Terry are both legends in your eyes :lol

Don't take it so personally man. Lebron loses ALOT. That's a fact. Don't be so hard on yourself bro.

[lilteapot]

Jason Terry shitting on the existence of lebron had very little to do with being led by Dirk. Just like Leonard shooting 60% against Lebron in games 3, 4 and 5 in 2014. But I'm sure Leonard and Terry are both legends in your eyes :lol

Don't take it so personally man. Lebron loses ALOT. That's a fact. Don't be so hard on yourself bro.

I'm not taking anything personally. I'm actually happy that I am able to enjoy great basketball.

[TheMarkMadsen]

ITT the OP calls the 11 Mavs "historically good" while telling others they just began watching basketball

dat irony

[lilteapot]

ITT the OP calls the 11 Mavs "historically good" while telling others they just began watching basketball

dat irony

They swept the defending champion LA Lakers, beat the thunder in 5 games and knocked off the big 3 heat who everyone thought would win.

they are historically good. learn2basketball, little boy.

[TripleA]

well as shown by the 2015 warriors if you allow bran to play hero ball and dare him to beat you with his iso game he'll put up 35 points on 33 shots while shooting horribly from outside the paint and missing almost every clutch jumper/ potential game winner he took..

Yes Lebron's jump shot was broke but the Warriors also shut down his three point shooters later in the series.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No idea why two borderline top 10 all-time players generate so much discussion here. Kobe and LeBron seem to be the only thing keeping this site alive during the offseason.

The vast majority of this board acknowledges MJ as the GOAT and understands that Kobe can't hold a candle to him, no need to try to reason with the retarded element of ISH that doesn't agree.

[Mr. Jabbar]

http://www.bribes.org/perl/ateapot.gif

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/lewi1913/kobe_zps68630f0d.gif

[RidonKs]

http://www.bribes.org/perl/ateapot.gif

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a124/lewi1913/kobe_zps68630f0d.gif
if thats mj, this is kobe



http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000635829/polls_teapot_1856_35455_poll_xlarge.jpeg

[Doranku]

It sure worked didn't it, he only averaged 36ppg and 12 rebounds pg. You absolute waste of life.

2004 Kobe 38% on 23 FGA = shot his team out of the series
2015 Lebron 39% on 33 FGA = "it sure worked"

ISH logic :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

2004 Kobe 38% on 23 FGA = shot his team out of the series
2015 Lebron 39% on 33 FGA = "it sure worked"

ISH logic :applause:

yeaaaa everything else was completely equal, too.. this gives us the whole picture, Kobetards doing the smart work :applause:

[lilteapot]

2004 Kobe 38% on 23 FGA = shot his team out of the series
2015 Lebron 39% on 33 FGA = "it sure worked"

ISH logic :applause:
leave it to a fake laker fan to not understand context

[HOoopCityJones]

No idea why two borderline top 10 all-time players generate so much discussion here. Kobe and LeBron seem to be the only thing keeping this site alive during the offseason.

The vast majority of this board acknowledges MJ as the GOAT and understands that Kobe can't hold a candle to him, no need to try to reason with the retarded element of ISH that doesn't agree.

All three of them are certainly better than Duncan. We know that forsure.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

All three of them are certainly better than Duncan. We know that forsure.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2817947/billbored.gif

[HOoopCityJones]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2817947/billbored.gif



No need to post footage of you watching Tim's games, we know he's boring as fucc. :facepalm

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No need to post footage of you watching Tim's games, we know he's boring as fucc. :facepalm

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22522-Brittany-Big-Brother-cringe-gi-RjIc.gif

Here's me watching Kobe in the 2004 finals.

[HOoopCityJones]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22522-Brittany-Big-Brother-cringe-gi-RjIc.gif

Here's me watching Kobe in the 2004 finals.

My EXACT reaction at Duncan and Pop in 2013 :cheers:

[24-Inch_Chrome]

My EXACT reaction at Duncan and Pop in 2013 :cheers:

It's also my reaction whenever you try to be funny. It just isn't working for you.

[sd3035]

http://oi60.tinypic.com/20h3dpf.jpg


not that there's anything wrong with it

[knicksman]

LeBron is a 6'9 behemoth with the skill of Magic Johnson and the brute force of Karl Malone.

Those two little SG's Kobe and Jordan... lol

If Jordan was 5 inches taller he would have a case for GOAT. Kobe wouldn't have a case either way.

:roll: goes to show that bran stans dont know shit. Only betas would want to be a support player(pg). The last time pgs won was in the 80s. So lol at you for being so proud that bran is just a magic.

[Dragonyeuw]

The last time pgs won was in the 80s. So lol at you for being so proud that bran is just a magic.

Didnt a PG just lead a team to the title 3 months ago?

[knicksman]

Didnt a PG just lead a team to the title 3 months ago?

28ppg 6apg in the playoffs. Definitely hes the pg of that team

[HOoopCityJones]

It's also my reaction whenever you try to be funny. It just isn't working for you.

Just like when the Spurs try to repeat.

[kennethgriffin]

jordan isnt god


better shooter beyond 10 feet = kobe
better footwork = kobe
better contested shot maker = kobe
better at winning titles without a legendary sidekick = kobe
better at outscoring a team by himself = kobe
better at scoring 80+ points = kobe
better at scoring 60+ through 3 quarters = kobe
better at beating 50+ win playoff teams = kobe
better at making 1st team all nba's = kobe
better at making more game winning shots = kobe
better playmaker = kobe ( led all 5 titles in apg playoffs and regular season )
better left hand shot outside the paint = kobe
better at making more allstar games = kobe
better at scoring more total points = kobe
better at making the nba at a younger age = kobe
better at making 1st team all defense at a younger age = kobe
better in game dunker = kobe


theres tons of things kobes better at

[juju151111]

28ppg 6apg in the playoffs. Definitely hes the pg of that team
Yes he was the pg. I don't know why you trying to be sarcastic

[Cold soul]

Jordan is the better player but anyone that thinks he destroys peak/prime Kobe is an idiot and delusional. I can see Kobe winning a few battles while matching up against Jordan.

[knicksman]

Yes he was the pg. I don't know why you trying to be sarcastic

Curry is an elite scorer. If curry played more like cp3 or magic, he wouldve not won.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Just like when the Spurs try to repeat.

0/10. :confusedshrug:

[Wade's Rings]

better contested shot maker = kobe

:oldlol:


better at winning titles without a legendary sidekick = kobe

Better at Winning Titles = Jordan



better at scoring 80+ points = kobe

Better at scoring in the Playoffs = Jordan


better at scoring 60+ through 3 quarters = kobe

Better at Scoring 60+ Points in the Playoffs = Jordan


better at beating 50+ win playoff teams = kobe

Better at beating 60+ win playoff teams = Jordan




better at making more game winning shots = kobe

Better at missing game winning shots = Kobe


better playmaker = kobe ( led all 5 titles in apg playoffs and regular season )

better playmaker = Jordan ( higher career apg & ast %)



better at scoring more total points = kobe

Better at scoring Jordan ( highest ppg average of all-time)


better at making the nba at a younger age = kobe

better at riding the pine = Kobe


better at making 1st team all defense at a younger age = kobe

better at winning Defensive player of the year = Jordan


better in game dunker = kobe

more career dunks = Jordan



theres tons of things kobes better at

better at winning Finals MVP = Jordan

better at scoring 50+ in the playoffs = Jordan

better at winning MVPs = Jordan

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[masonanddixon]

It's fine if you think Jordan is better but Kobe is the closest anyone has ever gotten to him and n my opinion he was on Jordan's level from 05-08