Better at their sport--John Elway or Lebron James?

[sportjames23]

Elway - 2/5 in Super Bowls, one of the greatest QBs in NFL history, known for his many regular season comeback wins

Lebron - 2/6 in the Finals, one of the greatest forwards in NBA history, known for his versatility on the court and colluding with other stars to win rings

Who's better in their sport?

[LAZERUSS]

Elway is one of the most over-rated players in NFL history.

You mentioned his 2-5 in SBs. In his first three SBs, his teams lost by margins of 39-20, 42-10, and 55-10. It was so bad that there was a SB episode of "The Simpsons" in which the announcer said something along these lines: "John lway has just led the Broncos on a brilliant 98 yard TD drive. With the extra point the score is Denver 7, and the 49ers, 55."

And even in his first SB WIN he was awful. He had one of the worst QB ratings ever at the time. And his post-season QB rating is only 32nd at 79.7.

Hell, even his comebacks are over-rated. In the game in which he recorded "Th Drive", it was a drive that took over 5 minutes (not 2 minutes), and in which TIED the score. And forgotten was the fact that Elway had been horrific until that drive (something like 12-25 and 115 yards.)


BTW, Johnny Unitas was another WAY over-rated QB. Take away his first couple of championship games, and the rest of his career he was truly mediocre in his biggest games. Bart Starr was a FAR more CLUTCH quarterback.

[PistonsFan#21]

Dont follow football but is John Elway considered a top 10 player in NFL history like Lebron in the NBA? or even top 2 all time at his position like Lebron? If not then you got your answer.

[G0ATbe]

I don't know who Elway is but sounds like he's better.

[BasedTom]

They both suck and are overrated compared to their contemporaries

[SugarHill]

They both suck and are overrated compared to their contemporaries
Except Lebron is better than all his contemporaries.

>wade

[lilteapot]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/555/346/d5a.gif

[kurple]

Elway

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Elway is the greatest college football prospect ever according to many draft gurus. Watch his Stanford highlights, he seems like Andrew Luck in a lot of his plays in terms of poise but with a rocket arm (rocket is kind of an understatement, he threw some very hard passes in his college days) and freakish athletic ability. LeBron was considered the greatest basketball prospect ever by pretty much all draft gurus.

Elway's career was solid, he won 2 out of 6 rings but he often had very mediocre stats. LeBron won 2 for 5 trips to the championship but often had heavily inflated states due to playing in a very poor conference in terms of competition. Both often faced weaker competition in their respective conferences and had weaker teams than some of the teams they faced in championship games.

Overall, LeBron for the time being means more to the sport because he's considered a top 1-3 player in the league. I don't think Elway was ever considered anything past top 5 throughout his whole career. Prime Favre was way more dominant than Elway ever was in his career.

Elway also cried himself out of Baltimore which I thought was very pathetic. His rookie season was garbage but LeBron's was good.

They are somewhat similar players for their respective sport but LeBron is better for basketball and the diluted Eastern Conference with his inflated stats rather than Elway's often run-heavy offense that was implemented mostly throughout his career with a lack of great receivers. He had the "Three Amigos" but no one special. He had good players on his team but not enough great players similarly to LeBron's lack of support from the Cavs in the 2007 and 2015 Finals.

[SugarHill]

Elway is the greatest college football prospect ever according to many draft gurus. Watch his Stanford highlights, he seems like Andrew Luck in a lot of his plays in terms of poise but with a rocket arm (rocket is kind of an understatement, he threw some very hard passes in his college days) and freakish athletic ability. LeBron was considered the greatest basketball prospect ever by pretty much all draft gurus.

Elway's career was solid, he won 2 out of 5 rings but he often had very mediocre stats. LeBron won 2 for 5 trips to the championship but often had heavily inflated states due to playing in a very poor conference in terms of competition. Both often faced weaker competition in their respective conferences and had weaker teams than some of the teams they faced in championship games.

Overall, LeBron for the time being means more to the sport because he's considered a top 1-3 player in the league. I don't think Elway was ever considered anything past top 5 throughout his whole career. Prime Favre was way more dominant than Elway ever was in his career.

Elway also cried himself out of Baltimore which I thought was very pathetic. His rookie season was garbage but LeBron's was good.

They are somewhat similar players for their respective sport but LeBron is better for basketball and the diluted Eastern Conference with his inflated stats rather than Elway's often run-heavy offense that was implemented mostly throughout his career with a lack of great receivers. He had the "Three Amigos" but no one special. He had good players on his team but not enough great players similarly to LeBron's lack of support from the Cavs in the 2007 and 2015 Finals.
Unless you're going purely off finals stats then LeBron's stats against the West is as good or better than against the East so how are they inflated? kobe's stats against the East are also bad if you're looking at it like that meaning the West inflated his stats. It's just not true

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Unless you're going purely off finals stats then LeBron's stats against the West is as good or better than against the East so how are they inflated? kobe's stats against the East are also bad if you're looking at it like that meaning the West inflated his stats. It's just not true

Good point. You got me.

[Hey Yo]

LeBron

Elway didn't have to play defense and be on the field for 52-53 MPG

dumb comparison by OP.

[Andrew Wiggins]

one is one of the greatest players in a sport played all around the world

one is a guy no one knows outside of north america in a sport only played seriously in one country

[the mesiah]

Never really thought of that comparison now that I think bout it,but it's a good one OP. Elway didn't win a chip until Terrell Davis showed up, Lebron didn't win one until he had to leave Cleveland to join wade to win his 2 .Easily regarded top 5 at their position,.i would go with Lebron tho, I ain't never heard anyone call Elway top 10 nfl player of all time but hear Lebron being talked of top 10 all time .

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Bron.

[Mr. Jabbar]

huge admirer of the chosen one but Elway takes this easily

[warriorfan]

Elway is one of the most over-rated players in NFL history.

You mentioned his 2-5 in SBs. In his first three SBs, his teams lost by margins of 39-20, 42-10, and 55-10. It was so bad that there was a SB episode of "The Simpsons" in which the announcer said something along these lines: "John lway has just led the Broncos on a brilliant 98 yard TD drive. With the extra point the score is Denver 7, and the 49ers, 55."

And even in his first SB WIN he was awful. He had one of the worst QB ratings ever at the time. And his post-season QB rating is only 32nd at 79.7.

Hell, even his comebacks are over-rated. In the game in which he recorded "Th Drive", it was a drive that took over 5 minutes (not 2 minutes), and in which TIED the score. And forgotten was the fact that Elway had been horrific until that drive (something like 12-25 and 115 yards.)


BTW, Johnny Unitas was another WAY over-rated QB. Take away his first couple of championship games, and the rest of his career he was truly mediocre in his biggest games. Bart Starr was a FAR more CLUTCH quarterback.

Laz bagging on another athlete for having poor a record and poor performances in the Finals?

Is this real life?

[Sarcastic]

one is one of the greatest players in a sport played all around the world

one is a guy no one knows outside of north america in a sport only played seriously in one country


He asked who was better at their sport, not better known around the world.

[JohnMax]

Lebron is a flawed QB like Tony Romo who puts up good stats but cannot win a championship by himself.

[Cold soul]

Elway for me most here most likely never saw him play during his prime being 80's early 90's. The only QB with his all around talent and elite athleticism since Elway are Rodgers and Luck. Elway dragged three really bad teams to Super Bowls that had no business being there under Dan Reeves Elway made his teammates better than they actually were he never got any good offensive talent until late career those players being Davis, Sharpe, Rod Smith, Eddie Mac, etc.

[Vaniiiia]

Lebron is a flawed QB like Tony Romo who puts up good stats but cannot win a championship by himself.
LeBron wins MVP almost every year and has the BEST stats, already proven himself with two rings... and has a big dick.

Terrible comparison.

Tony Romo can barely win PLAYOFF games, AT ALL. LeBron is the most dominant post season performer in history.

[Cold soul]

Elway is an icon and top five QB in NFL history. I rate him over Lebron as their respective sports go Elway the bigger legend in U.S. especially in Colorado.

[colts19]

Elway is one of the most over-rated players in NFL history.

You mentioned his 2-5 in SBs. In his first three SBs, his teams lost by margins of 39-20, 42-10, and 55-10. It was so bad that there was a SB episode of "The Simpsons" in which the announcer said something along these lines: "John lway has just led the Broncos on a brilliant 98 yard TD drive. With the extra point the score is Denver 7, and the 49ers, 55."

And even in his first SB WIN he was awful. He had one of the worst QB ratings ever at the time. And his post-season QB rating is only 32nd at 79.7.

Hell, even his comebacks are over-rated. In the game in which he recorded "Th Drive", it was a drive that took over 5 minutes (not 2 minutes), and in which TIED the score. And forgotten was the fact that Elway had been horrific until that drive (something like 12-25 and 115 yards.)


BTW, Johnny Unitas was another WAY over-rated QB. Take away his first couple of championship games, and the rest of his career he was truly mediocre in his biggest games. Bart Starr was a FAR more CLUTCH quarterback.

Ok, Laz. You can rip Larry Bird. I will not allow you to degrade the Great Johnny U. Bart starr was great but he also had great teams. Johnny U. changed the way the quarterback position was played and that alone makes him an all time great. This means WAR.

I was watching a game with Peyton Manning, and during a play the announcer said. Alright for all you kids out there, the drive Manning just put together, was the way the Great Johnny U. did it all the time.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Humbly beg forgiveness for your transgressions.

[colts19]

Also if you take away his first two championships. He would still have one super bowl. Here is the list of other quarterback and how many championships they would have if you took away their first 2.

Montana 2
Bradshaw 2
Brady 2
Aikman 1

Montana, Bradshaw and Aikman, were all part of dominate short term dynasty's
and Brady at least 2 of his were tainted and one last year was just plain given to him due to a terrible coaching decision. So that put Unitas up there in some pretty good company.

[LAZERUSS]

Ok, Laz. You can rip Larry Bird. I will not allow you to degrade the Great Johnny U. Bart starr was great but he also had great teams. Johnny U. changed the way the quarterback position was played and that alone makes him an all time great. This means WAR.

I was watching a game with Peyton Manning, and during a play the announcer said. Alright for all you kids out there, the drive Manning just put together, was the way the Great Johnny U. did it all the time.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Humbly beg forgiveness for your transgressions.

Find me ONE BIG game in the 60's (and 70's) in which Unitas was great.

You mentioned his SB in the post above. You do realize that his team won the game AFTER he was BENCHED, right? He was simply AWFUL in that game. In the first half, his team trailed 13-6,...the direct result of him going 3-9 for 88 yards and 2 pics. The Colts rallied around Earl Morrall in the 4th quarter to win that horribly played game, 16-13.

How about the '64 title game? You know...the game in which his heavily-favored 12-2 Colts were SHUT-OUT by the Browns, 27-0? Johnny U. went 12-20 for a meager 95 yards, and again, 2 more ints.

How about the last game of the '67 regular season? The game in which the undefeated Colts (11-0-2) needed a win over the 10-1-2 Rams to win the division? Guess what? Choker Unitas again puked all over the field, especially in the clutch, and his Colts were routed by the Rams, 34-10. And again...yet two more pics.

Interesting, too, that the very next week, Bart Starr took his 9-4-1 Packers to a 28-7 rout of that same Ram team, in a game in which he was, as always, brilliant.


Finally...the '69 Super Bowl. True, you can't blame Unitas for that shocking loss...except for the fact that when he finally came in the game, he didn't do much of anything. He went 11-24 for 110 yards and yet another int.

Overall, and including his first two title games in the 50's...Johnny U's career post-season passer rating was a miserable 68.9 (#52 all-time.)

Sorry, but Johnny U was NOT this legendary "clutch" QB (and neither was Elway.)

And again...Bart Starr was a FAR greater post-season QB, and in fact, has a solid case as the GOAT.

[LAZERUSS]

John Elway's "last second magic"...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p56tmkT7_VA

[sd3035]

As much as I hate to admit it, Elway takes this rather easily

[sportjames23]

LeBron wins MVP almost every year and has the BEST stats, already proven himself with two rings... and has a big dick.

Terrible comparison.

Tony Romo can barely win PLAYOFF games, AT ALL. LeBron is the most dominant post season performer in history.


Can't tell if you're serious or not.

[bizil]

GOAT wise, Elway has NO CASE as the GOAT QB. Bron has a GREAT CASE as the GOAT SF. So if u go off that, Bron is the clear choice. Peak wise, Elway had a GREAT CASE as the most complete QB of all time at one point. I think Aaron Rodgers may have taken that mantle though. And of course Steve Young would have a case too. So in terms or VERSATILITY, I think Elway and Bron represented many of the same things. Both FOR SURE elevated teams who had NO BUSINESS competing in world championship situations to that level.

[ClipperRevival]

Laz bagging on another athlete for having poor a record and poor performances in the Finals?

Is this real life?

:roll: The irony.

[brownmamba00]

LeBron wins MVP almost every year and has the BEST stats, already proven himself with two rings... and has a big dick.

Terrible comparison.

Tony Romo can barely win PLAYOFF games, AT ALL. LeBron is the most dominant post season performer in history.
Lol bran got a small package we all saw it no need to deny it.

[LAZERUSS]

Laz bagging on another athlete for having poor a record and poor performances in the Finals?

Is this real life?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

How many FMVPs does your boy Curry have? And how many BENCH players beat Wilt out for a FMVP?

And for the record, Chamberlain was the best player on the floor in FOUR of his SIX Finals, and the best center on the floor in FIVE of them.