so which defensive role player will win finals mvp in 2016

[kennethgriffin]

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/0326/nba_g_allen_gb2_576.jpg

Tony Allen




http://www.basketballinsiders.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/SergeIbaka_Thunder_USAT4_2014.jpg

Serge Ibaka



http://expressng.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/1388804932000-USATSI-7531782.jpg

Andre Iguodala





http://cdn.slamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/12314_Leonard.jpg

Kawhi Leonard








whos gonna lock up lebron and average 15-17 points

[dubeta]

whos gonna lock up lebron and average 15-17 points

:oldlol:

LeBron 2014 Finals

28 , 8, 4 on 58%FG


LeBron 2015 Finals

36, 13, 9 on 40% (against #1 defense)




Kobe Career Finals

25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, on 41%



If LeBron got locked down, then what about Kobe's entire Finals resume?

Reggie Miller locked him down to 15 ppg :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

:oldlol:

LeBron 2014 Finals

28 , 8, 4 on 58%FG


LeBron 2015 Finals

36, 13, 9 on 40% (against #1 defense)




Kobe Career Finals

25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, on 41%



If LeBron got locked down, then what about Kobe's entire Finals resume?

Reggie Miller locked him down to 15 ppg :oldlol:


35% vs iguodala

27% outside of 5 feet

kobes finals career = 5 for 7

lebrons finals career = 2 for 6




















send em a body bag

:lol



http://tgchan.org/kusaba/questarch/src/134596036640.jpg

[JT123]

:oldlol:

LeBron 2014 Finals

28 , 8, 4 on 58%FG


LeBron 2015 Finals

36, 13, 9 on 40% (against #1 defense)




Kobe Career Finals

25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, on 41%



If LeBron got locked down, then what about Kobe's entire Finals resume?

Reggie Miller locked him down to 15 ppg :oldlol:
rat poison

[Akrazotile]

:oldlol:

LeBron 2014 Finals

28 , 8, 4 on 58%FG


LeBron 2015 Finals

36, 13, 9 on 40% (against #1 defense)




Kobe Career Finals

25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, on 41%




Merciless :eek:

[dubeta]

Prime Shaq = 0% from the 3


So does he suck?



Doesnt matter what your field goal % is from some arbritary range that a dumbass unemployed 31 year old made


Its your overall FG and the end of the day

Lebron = 40% FG (same as Kobes Finals average)



Except

LeBron

36 points



Kobe

25 points:lol (15 vs Reggie Miller)




LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)




Assists

LeBron 9 assists

Kobe 5 assists (unfortunately patented 'Kobe assists' dont count)





Best player in a Finals series

LeBron - 4 times

Kobe - 1





You lose :lol

[kennethgriffin]

rat poison



lol@ dumba**'s on ISH comparing a guys efficiency who takes 75% of his shots inside 5 feet to a another guy who takes 75% of his shots outside of 15 feet




like how they compare a 6-9, 270 pound dudes 5 rebounds per game in 2015 to guys like 6-5, 205 pound kobe bryant and act like lebrons doing a good job


:oldlol:

[dubeta]

Prime Shaq = 0% from the 3


So does he suck?



Doesnt matter what your field goal % is from some arbritary range that a dumbass unemployed 31 year old made


Its your overall FG and the end of the day

Lebron = 40% FG (same as Kobes Finals average)



Except

LeBron

36 points



Kobe

25 points:lol (15 vs Reggie Miller)




LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)




Assists

LeBron 9 assists

Kobe 5 assists (unfortunately patented 'Kobe assists' dont count)





Best player in a Finals series

LeBron - 4 times

Kobe - 1





You lose :lol


Damn the ethers I deliver on a daily basis :eek:


Good to be back!

[kennethgriffin]

Prime Shaq = 0% from the 3


So does he suck?



Doesnt matter what your field goal % is from some arbritary range that a dumbass unemployed 31 year old made


Its your overall FG and the end of the day

Lebron = 40% FG (same as Kobes Finals average)



Except

LeBron

36 points



Kobe

25 points:lol (15 vs Reggie Miller)




LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)




Assists

LeBron 9 assists

Kobe 5 assists (unfortunately patented 'Kobe assists' dont count)





Best player in a Finals series

LeBron - 4 times

Kobe - 1





You lose :lol

lebron was never the best player in a finals



2007 - tony parker
2011 - dwyane wade
2012 - lockout ( void )
2013 - ray allen
2014 - kawhi leonard
2015 - andre iguodala

2 for 6


now answer the OP question

[Mr. Jabbar]

ima huge fan of the son of akron, but anyone who guards him will win it

[dubeta]

lebron was never the best player in a finals



2007 - tony parker
2011 - dwyane wade
2012 - lockout ( void )
2013 - ray allen
2014 - kawhi leonard
2015 - andre iguodala

2 for 6


now answer the OP question


Its your overall FG and the end of the day

Lebron = 40% FG (same as Kobes Finals average)



Except

LeBron

36 points



Kobe

25 points (15 vs Reggie Miller)




LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)




Assists

LeBron 9 assists

Kobe 5 assists (unfortunately patented 'Kobe assists' dont count)



No answer for the rest of this?? :lol




Oh and :

Shaq + Gasol

Thats it, its so simple, no need to void seasons, or add 6 different names, so simple yet effective way to describe Kobes career.

[GIF REACTION]

:oldlol:

LeBron 2014 Finals

28 , 8, 4 on 58%FG


LeBron 2015 Finals

36, 13, 9 on 40% (against #1 defense)




Kobe Career Finals

25.3 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 5.1 apg, on 41%



If LeBron got locked down, then what about Kobe's entire Finals resume?

Reggie Miller locked him down to 15 ppg :oldlol:
MURDER

[kennethgriffin]

MURDER


if lebron was taking most of his shots outside of 5 feet. i'd let his fg% slide

but he spams layup attempts and still shot 39%




kobe takes almost nothing but long jumpers. so hitting over 40% on long 2's and 3's combined is good


hitting 39% overall on mostly layups and 27% beyond 5 feet... thats NOT good

[dubeta]

if lebron was taking most of his shots outside of 5 feet. i'd let his fg% slide

but he spams layup attempts and still shot 39%




kobe takes almost nothing but long jumpers. so hitting over 40% on long 2's and 3's combined is good


hitting 39% overall on mostly layups and 27% beyond 5 feet... thats NOT good



Give me a quick answer, is Mike Miller better than Prime Shaq cause he shot better outside 5 feet?


Dont dodge this question you uneducated 31 year old reject :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Give me a quick answer, is Mike Miller better than Prime Shaq cause he shot better outside 5 feet?


Dont dodge this question you uneducated 31 year old reject :lol



is mike miller 5 for 7 in the finals with a top 5-6 resume all time, the 3rd most points ever scored etc...

and is shaq 2 for 6 in the finals with a top 11-12 resume all time, the most finals losses by an mvp in any sport... etc...

[dubeta]

Dodged the question, just like I thought


This is too easy, is this really the best the Kobe army has to offer??
step you're game up :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Dodged the question, just like I thought


This is too easy, is this really the best the Kobe army has to offer??
step you're game up :lol


because you chose a legend to compare with a scrub. so i evened the playing field

since you dont like comparing kobe and lebron.... i gave miller kobes resume. and shaq lebrons resume



then we got back on track. and you shat yourself yet again

:oldlol:

[plowking]

The award being handed out to the two guys that guarded Lebron is almost the ultimate compliment to him considering how average their numbers were in the grand scheme of things.

These two guys combined held Bron to 32ppg on 47% shooting, and were awarded the FMVP.

[dubeta]

since you dont like comparing kobe and lebron




Your lies are worse than Kobe's in a Colorado police station


Literally all I've done this thread is compare Kobe to LeBron



Lebron = 40% FG (same as Kobes Finals average)



Except

LeBron

36 points



Kobe

25 points (15 vs Reggie Miller)




LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)




Assists

LeBron 9 assists

Kobe 5 assists (unfortunately patented 'Kobe assists' dont count)






Now answer this again little guy, damn it feels like i'm teaching a special-ed class :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

The award being handed out to the two guys that guarded Lebron is almost the ultimate compliment to him considering how average their numbers were in the grand scheme of things.

These two guys combined held Bron to 32ppg on 47% shooting, and were awarded the FMVP.


denial at its absolute finest


its the most embarrassing shit of all time... the role player you matched up with winning finals mvp out of nowhere because he was able to score vast sums of points that he normally wouldnt because lebron sucks AND forcing lebron into tougher shots all series that ultimately cost his team any chance

IS NOT a compliment


:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Your lies are worse than Kobe's in a Colorado police station


Literally all I've done this thread is compare Kobe to LeBron



Lebron = 40% FG (same as Kobes Finals average)



Except

LeBron

36 points



Kobe

25 points (15 vs Reggie Miller)




LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)




Assists

LeBron 9 assists

Kobe 5 assists (unfortunately patented 'Kobe assists' dont count)






Now answer this again little guy, damn it feels like i'm teaching a special-ed class :oldlol:



i'm sorry. you seem to have me confused with someone who compares numbers from a loser to numbers from a winner


anyone can average a ton of stats and lose more often than they win

its about sacrificing that makes a team succeed


see kobes stats when he wasnt winning allot... theyre much higher.


lebrons a moron. he thinks averaging 35 shots a game at 25% is gonna get him anywhere

:roll: :roll: :roll:


dem near triple doubles doe!

:roll: :roll:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lance Stephenson if he plays SF
Dark horse: Andre Roberson

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

The award being handed out to the two guys that guarded Lebron is almost the ultimate compliment to him considering how average their numbers were in the grand scheme of things.

These two guys combined held Bron to 32ppg on 47% shooting, and were awarded the FMVP.
Nice try with ur usual weasel tactics but they never guarded bran every possession. For ex Iggy as the main defender on bran had him shooting like 30% while bran feasted on most others

[dubeta]

i'm sorry. you seem to have me confused with someone who compares numbers from a loser to numbers from a winner




Jerry West "Loser"



Robert Horry "Winner"


Numbers dont matter right? :lol



Horry > Kobe


Do you lose arguments on purpose? Or do you just appear retarded to make Kobe fans look bad??


Or worse? Do you think by acting stupid you're "trolling" people and making them laugh

We're laughing AT you not with you. The stupider you sound the more we all make fun of your intelligence. You're officially the ISH punching bag.


You're current Kobe and ISH is DeMar Derozan :lol

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif

[kennethgriffin]

Jerry West "Loser"



Robert Horry "Winner"


Numbers dont matter right? :lol



Horry > Kobe


Do you lose arguments on purpose? Or do you just appear retarded to make Kobe fans look bad??


Or worse? Do you think by acting stupid you're "trolling" people and making them laugh

We're laughing AT you not with you. The stupider you sound the more we all make fun of your intelligence. You're officially the ISH punching bag.


You're current Kobe and ISH is DeMar Derozan :lol

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/assets/3692973/kobefail.gif




and jerry west is outside the top 10 looking in... same as bran


if jerry had a winning finals record out of those 8-9 appearences he'd be ranked allot higher

get the picture?

[bdreason]

Iggy gonna win back-to-back.

[KembaWalker]

LeBron 13 Rebounds

Kobe 5 Rebounds (so pathetic like 30% of lebrons rebounds and theyre like the same size)


Who brought back this dumbass :rolleyes:

[Gileraracer]

I am a huge LeBald fan but as soon as the defender Forces him to take shots outside 5ft he will not hit more than 30% :lol

So as Long as the defender can manage to do that he will win FMVP

[AnaheimLakers24]

Paul pierce has a chance

[I<3NBA]

The award being handed out to the two guys that guarded Lebron is almost the ultimate compliment to him considering how average their numbers were in the grand scheme of things.

These two guys combined held Bron to 32ppg on 47% shooting, and were awarded the FMVP.
this. the voters considered even just lowering Lebron's scoring was so vital they awarded FMVPs for it.

voters value Lebron so much that even just slowing him down gets a role player a FMVP.

it's not even stopping Lebron (since Lebron still scored a lot)
it's just "slowing him down."

[WayOfWade]

To answer your question, I'd say Tony Allen or Kawhi, small chance Iggy could get it again for 2nd year in a row.
LeBron has a higher chance than anyone though at getting that FMVP

[JT123]

this. the voters considered even just lowering Lebron's scoring was so vital they awarded FMVPs for it.

voters value Lebron so much that even just slowing him down gets a role player a FMVP.

it's not even stopping Lebron (since Lebron still scored a lot)
it's just "slowing him down."
Kawhi didn't slow Lebron down at all, as the King basically shat all over him in the 2014 Finals. Luckily for Kawhi it didn't matter since Wade and Bosh went completely ghost on both ends of the floor.
This past Finals fatigue and injuries slowed down Lebron a lot more than Iggy did. Lebron might be the only player in NBA history who could have made this past finals competitive with the new york knicks cast offs he was playing with. :bowdown:

[toxicxr6]

I can't stand Kenneth and dubeta
Probably the worst two posters on this forum

But dubeta has murdered Kenneth in this thread completely
Kenneth has no answer why Kobe career Fg % is the same as lebrons worst...

[gcvbcat]

Duncan?

[kennethgriffin]

I can't stand Kenneth and dubeta
Probably the worst two posters on this forum

But dubeta has murdered Kenneth in this thread completely
Kenneth has no answer why Kobe career Fg % is the same as lebrons worst...


lebrons a big man?

kobe shoots beyond 15 feet 90% of the time

lebron shoots inside of 5 feet 70% of the time

[dubeta]

Lebrons a big man but Kobes this midget whos incapable of shooting layups? hilarious! :lol


http://www.haterfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/LBKOBe.jpg



theyre basically the same size

[JT123]

Lebrons a big man but Kobes this midget whos incapable of shooting layups? hilarious! :lol


http://www.haterfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/LBKOBe.jpg



theyre basically the same size
:lol Kenneth getting body bagged in his own thread!

[Lebronxrings]

Kenny getting bodied as usual. Watch him go on his alts to provide help.

[kennethgriffin]

Lebrons a big man but Kobes this midget whos incapable of shooting layups? hilarious! :lol


http://www.haterfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/LBKOBe.jpg



theyre basically the same size


kobes a few steps behind lebron

:roll:


depth perception

[dubeta]

https://str8hoops.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/2008-nba-mvp-canidates-lebron-and-kobe.jpg


6'7.25 vs 6'6



Damn whats Kobe doing being matched up with the big man


He's obviously too small to be taking layups



Thats why he shoots 40% EVERY SINGLE FINALS :roll:

[kennethgriffin]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ug4PLrbvm_M/UMZzWlIEXXI/AAAAAAAAAQQ/Jc0oTS-Q-WI/s1600/kobe+vs+lebron+pic.png


i can do that too




but seriously.. we gonna deny that kobes been measured at 6-5 recently and barely weighs 205-210




lebrons been measured at 6-8, 270


do we have to break out the roid hgh pics?

[kennethgriffin]

https://str8hoops.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/2008-nba-mvp-canidates-lebron-and-kobe.jpg


6'7.25 vs 6'6



Damn whats Kobe doing being matched up with the big man


He's obviously too small to be taking layups



Thats why he shoots 40% EVERY SINGLE FINALS :roll:



this tard lowering lebrons height.. lol


but seriously. lebrons been officially weighed in at over 50+ pounds heavier than kobe


lebrons closer to 6-9 than 6-7.. thats for sure

[90sgoat]

Kids are going to look back at Kawhi in 20 years and be like 'damn this nigguh is good, he got 3-5 finals MVP'.

Don't ever call Lebron selfish again, he is going to make Kawhi into a Hall of Famer all by himself.

[kennethgriffin]

ive seen lebron play center a few times over the last few years


and this guy think hes the same size as kobe

:biggums:

[dubeta]

Kobe's 6'7 235 pounds, as strong as dwight howard, with elite speed and leaping ability

but apparently he's too small to take high efficiency layups like LeBron :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe's 6'7 235 pounds, as strong as dwight howard, with elite speed and leaping ability

but apparently he's too small to take high efficiency layups like LeBron :lol


you'l brag that lebron can play center ( all 5 positions )


then you'l backpeddle and say hes the same size as kobe


lol flip flop






agenda driven garbage



i thought lebron was a physical specimen we've never seen before.. nows hes an average 2 guard?










ETHERED LOL

[Mr. Jabbar]

Lebrons a big man but Kobes this midget whos incapable of shooting layups? hilarious! :lol


http://www.haterfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/LBKOBe.jpg



theyre basically the same size

lmao, lebron is actually BENDING and further in that pic. dubeta :lol

kobe is bigger between the legs tho

[dubeta]

lmao, lebron is actually BENDING and further in that pic. dubeta :lol

kobe is bigger between the legs tho

yo jabbar how are you bud? Sorry didnt get a chance to say hi yesterday


PM me when ur free

[Naero]

lebrons a big man?

kobe shoots beyond 15 feet 90% of the time

lebron shoots inside of 5 feet 70% of the time

Never mind the fact that using anecdotalities is skeptical; the supposed disparities between where the two shoot is actually researchable!

Using the shooting-range metrics, which have been institutionalized and registered since the 2000-01 seasons, it can illustrate the disparities between their percentages of shots taken within radial measurements.

Career-average percentage of shots taken from a 10-feet+ radius:

Kobe: 65.8%
LeBron: 53.8%

Percentage of shots made from radial zones:

10-16 feet:
Kobe: 44.0%
LeBron: 35.8%

16-feet+ non-three-pointers:

Kobe: 40.6%
LeBron: 38.8%

Three-pointers:
Kobe: 33.4%
LeBron: 34.2%

Yes, Kobe takes more and converts more efficiently on-average; but any smart GM will want the player that can be relied on to take higher-percentage shots. Players are esteemed on how conducive their playing stylism is to winning, not flashiness; remember that. :no:

[kennethgriffin]

yo jabbar how are you bud? Sorry didnt get a chance to say hi yesterday


PM me when ur free





answer this... is lebron big enough to play center? or is he limited physically


is he not a 1 of a kind body anymore? what happened




revisionist ?

[dubeta]

you'l brag that lebron can play center ( all 5 positions )


then you'l backpeddle and say hes the same size as kobe


lol flip flop






agenda driven garbage



i thought lebron was a physical specimen we've never seen before.. nows hes an average 2 guard?










ETHERED LOL


LeBron plays center due to skill. Like how 6'7 Rodman had elite skills to play center

Its not size and strength

:lol

[kennethgriffin]

Never mind the fact that using anecdotalities is skeptical; the supposed disparities between where the two shoot is actually researchable!

Using the shooting-range metrics, which have been institutionalized and registered since the 2000-01 seasons, it can illustrate the disparities between their percentages of shots taken within radial measurements.

Career-average percentage of shots taken from a 10-feet+ radius:

Kobe: 65.8%
LeBron: 53.8%

Percentage of shots made from radial zones:

10-16 feet:
Kobe: 44.0%
LeBron: 35.8%

16-feet+ non-three-pointers:

Kobe: 40.6%
LeBron: 38.8%

Three-pointers:
Kobe: 33.4%
LeBron: 34.2%

Yes, Kobe takes more and converts more efficiently on-average; but any smart GM will want the player that can be relied on to take higher-percentage shots. Players are esteemed on how conducive their playing stylism is to winning, not flashiness; remember that. :no:







the problem is you cant always get the looks lebron wants. while kobe can get the looks he wants more often



when the defense tightens up you cant spam layups... then you end up like lebron in the nba finals taking fade away threes to win the game and bricking the shit out of them

[toxicxr6]

lebrons a big man?

kobe shoots beyond 15 feet 90% of the time

lebron shoots inside of 5 feet 70% of the time

I'm sorry I have seen Kobe brick more bad mid range shots than anyone in history.. If he is taking shots like that it is no excuse.. That is kobes low bball iq showing that's all....

I'm sure if a coach had a choice between a player taking a layup or a midrange they are going to take the layup every time.. Kobe is an idiot that's all your post shows

[knicksman]

I'm sorry I have seen Kobe brick more bad mid range shots than anyone in history.. If he is taking shots like that it is no excuse.. That is kobes low bball iq showing that's all....

I'm sure if a coach had a choice between a player taking a layup or a midrange they are going to take the layup every time.. Kobe is an idiot that's all your post shows

Then you havent played ball in your life coz anyone who played knows youre not getting a layup in the clutch

[kennethgriffin]

I'm sorry I have seen Kobe brick more bad mid range shots than anyone in history.. If he is taking shots like that it is no excuse.. That is kobes low bball iq showing that's all....

I'm sure if a coach had a choice between a player taking a layup or a midrange they are going to take the layup every time.. Kobe is an idiot that's all your post shows

thats 100% correct indeed

considering hes the 3rd leading scorer of all time, #1 all time guard scorer


and hes also made more mid range jumpers than anyone in history. and kobes mid range shooting percentage compared to others is actually phenomenal


you f*cking mongrel

:lol