Official 2015-2016 LeBron "King" James Discussion Thread

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Buckle up for another year Lebron Family members

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Members Of LeBron Family:

RoundMoundOfReb
ArbitraryWater
JameerTheFear
Lebronxrings
Cocaine80s
dubeta
Pauk
JeBronLames
Dragic4Life
Solefade
JT123
TylerOO
Trollsmasher
Fox
Keno
Nash
J Shuttlesworth
Im Still Ballin
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Join the winning team guys.

[dubeta]

Cosigned!


I dedicate this thread to Imstillballin!



R.I.P :(

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dubeta are you the current head of family? I am not as I have my duties as head of Sacramento Kings nation here on Insidehoops

I assume you or roundmoundofreb are the head of the family?

[warriorfan]

RoundMoundOfReb
ArbitraryWater
JameerTheFear
Lebronxrings
Cocaine80s
dubeta
Pauk
JeBronLames
Dragic4Life
Solefade
JT123
TylerOO
Trollsmasher
Fox
Keno
Nash
J Shuttlesworth
Im Still Ballin
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The combined basketball knowledge of all these guys couldn't fill a shot glass

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neither could that little mexican noodle of yours!

[DoctorP]

another mvp run?

we will see.

coleman.


:coleman:

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neither could that little mexican noodle of yours!
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[dubeta]

We ALL sit on the Board of Directors Gif Reaction!


:cheers:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

RoundMoundOfReb
ArbitraryWater
JameerTheFear
Lebronxrings
Cocaine80s
dubeta
Pauk
JeBronLames
Dragic4Life
Solefade
JT123
TylerOO
Trollsmasher
Fox
Keno
Nash
J Shuttlesworth
Im Still Ballin
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The combined basketball knowledge of all these guys couldn't fill a shot glass
Prolly cause there only 3 or 4 dudes there and the rest are alts :lol :lol

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Squad!

[Mr. Jabbar]

sign me in, huge kang legacy keeper here

[dubeta]

Our goal should be 1 new member for each Kobe missed shot this season!




We'll have all of ISH by our side on Opening night!

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Our goal should be 1 new member for each Kobe missed shot this season!




We'll have all of ISH by our side on Opening night!
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[Cocaine80s]

****ing In.

[Vaniiiia]

****ing In.
Welcome back.

How you feeling? We're counting on you this year boss.

[Cocaine80s]

Welcome back.

How you feeling? We're counting on you this year boss.
Last year I was role poster but this year im looking to take a leadership position :cheers:

[Spokelahoma]

Our goal should be 1 new member for each Kobe missed shot this season!




We'll have all of ISH by our side on Opening night!

Serious question, what number will be higher?...amount of missed shots Kobe has on opening night, or the amount of regular season wins lebrons 1st round opponent will have in next years playoffs?

[Vaniiiia]

Last year I was role poster but this year im looking to take a leadership position :cheers:
Hey man, nothings set in stone yet. You could work your way up to leadership role by October.

I've got an idea of what I want the lineup to look like but by no means has anything been decided yet.

We still don't even have a full roster yet. (still waiting on a couple guys to respond)

I like the way you operate though, you're definitely gonna be a key part of what we do no matter what. Just glad you're in good spirits. :cheers:

[Doranku]

Serious question, what number will be higher?...amount of missed shots Kobe has on opening night, or the amount of regular season wins lebrons 1st round opponent will have in next years playoffs?

Another question: what will be higher in June, active posters listed in OP or Bran's finals Ls?

[Magic 32]

Ride to 0.28571428571

[dubeta]

No Magic 32 you wont derail this thread with Kobe's FMVP ratio

[Cocaine80s]

No Magic 32 you wont derail this thread with Kobe's FMVP ratio
http://i.imgur.com/QONVIyz.gif

[Magic 32]

No Magic 32 you wont derail this thread with Kobe's FMVP ratio

Lebron stans. The ultimate individualists.

Makes sense.

Sure you're not on the wrong team?

[Cocaine80s]

We both know that score will end up being, 7 losses 0 posters lol
You are really shitty at math :biggums:

[Magic 32]

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2/5.5 ?


I think you mean 1.5/6

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Shock the WORLD.

[Trollsmasher]

I'm in

[coin24]

Rename it the 4 inch club.
Aka The baby d.ick bandits club

Also good luck on your journey to 2/7!

[dubeta]

Oh dey mad :lol

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Squad.

[NumberSix]

neither could that little mexican noodle of yours!
The. The browns are good people.

[sd3035]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

forgot which alt you were on lol

[WayOfWade]

I definitely support you guys more than that Kobe Fraternity, give 'em hell boys

[20Four]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Why you laughing at yourself? You forgot to log out or something?

[20Four]

http://i.imgur.com/j01dZYm.jpg

[ArbitraryWater]

I definitely support you guys more than that Kobe Fraternity, give 'em hell boys

:pimp:

[3ball]

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.............................................Obser vations of Lebron's game


The stats prove Lebron isn't capable of good efficiency at high shot volume

We didn't need the 2015 playoffs to prove Lebron's inability to shoot well at high volume - the NBA's player-tracking stats show that Lebron is horrible at the additional midrange required of high volume shooting.

27 shot attempts per game (Lebron's average in 2015 Playoffs) cannot be achieved on all 3-and-D - good midrange is needed to shoot well at this volume.. Accordingly, Lebron's career 37% midrange efficiency precludes him from ever shooting well at very high volumes - this is a statistical fact.

Lebron's poor efficiency at high volume dooms his chances of winning a CHAMPIONSHIP while shooting high volume - he simply isn't capable of winning a ring while high shooting volume.


Lebron's poor efficiency at high volumes mean he doesn't require a double-team

He hasn't been double-teamed for the last 3 Finals, most obviously in 2015.. There's no danger in letting Lebron shoot 39% at 33 fga, so there was no need to take the ball out of his hands to prevent the high volume in the 2015 Finals.. Lebron's inability to have good efficiency at high volume allowed the Warriors to permit his secluded 1-on-1 clearouts all series long - it was part of their exploitative strategy.. The best option for ANY defense is to allow low percentage shots over and over..

This specific dynamic where Lebron UN-complicates the opponent's defensive strategy by not commanding a double-team, puts him outside of the top 15 all-time.. His inability to command a double team (due to his poor midrange and resulting inability to shoot well at high volumes) is a horrible indictment on his game compared to his peers.

Also, no one has ever gotten such secluded clearouts, probably in history, than what Lebron got in 2015 Finals.. So there's no excuse for Lebron's 39% shooting (other than him not being capable of good efficiency at high volume).


36 ppg on 39% is Lebron's absolute max capability at high shot volume

The lack of double-teaming in the 2015 Finals provided Lebron with optimal conditions to shoot the best percentage possible at the higher volume - this turned out to be 39%.. 39% is Lebron's ceiling at higher shot volume.. Again, this would never be good enough to win a championship - when MJ averaged 41/9/6/51% in 1993, it was BARELY enough for the Bulls to win because remarkably, both teams averaged exactly 106.7 ppg and 113.0 ORtg in those Finals.


Lebron's lack of midrange ability didn't just prevent him from good efficiency at high volumes and subsequent double-teams, but it also prevents him from being as good in the 80's, when midrange was the primary option remaining in the absence of the 3-pointers necessary to make screen-roll/drive-and-kick mathematically worthwhile.

Without teammates spreading the floor for him and making drive-and-kick the force it is today, Lebron would have to score from the mid-range like everyone else in the 80's - since he sucks at mid-range, we know for a fact he would be a lesser player back then.


Faster pace wouldn't help Lebron in the 80's because the stats show that pace ALWAYS slows down in the playoffs, regardless of era

Pace was 94.0 in both the 1988 and 1989 playoffs, which is lower than the 2015 playoffs (94.4).. Playoff pace was often MUCH lower, like in the mid-90's - i.e. pace was 87.4 in the 1996 playoffs.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1988.html#all_misc_stats
http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1996.html#all_misc_stats


Lebron's point-guard-style and ball-dominance turns a normally high-assisted position (sf) into a low-assisted position, thus reducing the playmaking capacity and strategic options of his teams compared to MJ's

MJ was a highly-assisted, OFF-BALL player, which maximized the playmaking capacity of the team, since teammates have more opportunity to throw him an assist.. Otoh, Lebron's low-assisted, ball-dominant style reduces the playmaking capacity of the team and his team's strategic options (Lebron MUST dominate the ball) - this monopolizing, ball-dominant style craters the stats of good teammates (Bosh, Love, Wade)... Since Lebron's teammates can't play to capacity alongside his ball-dominance, the TEAM can't play to capacity, and routinely underachieves (they lost as the 1 seed from 2009-2011... and they were blown away despite having at least equal talent in 2014).

Otoh, MJ's quick-decision, off-ball game fit seamlessly alongside any teammate, so guys like Pippen, Kukoc and Grant played at FULL capacity alongside MJ - i.e. Pippen averaged 21/8/7 in 1992, which is the same as the 22/9/6 he averaged in 1994 without MJ.. Ditto for Grant - he got 14/10 in 1992, which is the same as 15/10 he got in 1994.. When MJ came back for a full season in 1996, his off-ball game allowed him to simply add his league-leading scoring right on top of what was already there, without diminishing anything - that's the main reason the Bulls went from 2nd Round team back to 3-peat status (which is a massive jump, the GOAT impact on a team). Since MJ's teammates played to capacity alongside MJ's quick decision, off-ball game, the TEAM played to capacity, and never underachieved - Jordan NEVER lost to a team with equal or worse talent.


Lebron's suboptimal style prevents his team from playing an optimal brand of basketball (equal-opportunity).. Since Lebron's teams can't play an optimal brand of basketball, that leaves them susceptible to getting upset by less talented teams who CAN play a superior brand of basketball to overcome the talent factor.

Lebron was upset by equal or less talented teams in 2009 ECSF, 2011 Finals, and 2014 Finals - in those series, Lebron's opponent overcame a stalemate or disdavantage in talent by playing a vastly superior brand of basketball.. This never happened to MJ's teams - his teams played an optimal, equal opportunity brand of basketball, so less-talented opponents couldn't upset MJ's teams by playing a superior brand of basketball.. MJ's teams were never upset or underachieved - he simply never lost to a team with equal or worse talent in playoffs.


When Lebron's teams lose to teams of equal or lesser talent, his stats are "empty", since it was his suboptimal style that allows opponents the opportunity to play a better brand of basketball

Lebron's style promoted bad chemistry with Wade.. Their well-publicized on-off stats showed the Heat were better when they were not on the floor together - suboptimal chemistry and brand of basketball between the two stars left the team open to being upset by equal or less-talented teams playing a better brand of basketball.. Anytime this happened, Lebron's stats were "empty", since his suboptimal style created the opportunity for the opponent to play a better style and overcome any talent factor.

Given his previous upsets in 2009 and 2011, we can now see that Ray allen's walk-off in 2013 merely interrupted a trend where opposing teams play a superior brand of basketball and render lebron's stats empty - they're empty whether he takes a passive 17 fga on all 3-and-D to protect efficiency (2014 Finals), or whether he doubles the fga to 34, but the additional isolations and midrange required of high volume shooting tanks his efficiency (2015 Finals).

Further evidence of suboptimal chemistry and brand of basketball, is that Bosh and Wade's stats were way down alongside Lebron.. Regardless of all these issues, the team still went 2/4 due to sheer talent - but the times they lost, their chemistry and brand of basketball was far worse than their opponent (dallas, spurs), rendering Lebron's stats empty.. The lesser brand of basketball falls primarily on Lebron's shoulders - as the franchise player, he's most responsible for the brand of basketball his teams are capable of.


Lebron is only elite as the primary ballhandler - so he can't get elite stats in an equal opportunity offense, since that requires elite ability in ALL areas, including primary ballhandler, off-ball, midrange, post and isolations.

If Lebron played for the Spurs, he wouldn't be able to get elite stats unless Popovich abandoned his equal opportunity offense and let Lebron dominate the ball - then the Spurs would come up short and you guys would be complaining how Patty Mills and Boris Diaw are garbage..

It's a shame, because if Lebron could average 33/6/6 in an equal opportunity offense like the Spurs, he'd never lose in the Finals just like MJ... But that's the whole point - he can't get elite stats in an equal opportunity offense, because he's only elite as the primary ballhandler.

Primary ballhandler is the most stat-padding position on the floor... I guess that's why MJ's stats were so insane the one time he was a primary ballhandler consistently (30/9/11 in 24 games at point guard, including a stretch of 10 triple doubles in 11 games).. That's better than Lebron has ever done in an entire career as primary ballhandler.

MJ was better at Lebron's bread and butter (primary ballhandler) and obviously he was FAR better off-ball, isolations, midrange and post.. This superior versatility as shown by elite ability in all areas is why MJ could get 33/6/6 in an equal opportunity offense, or 41/9/6/51 on high volume (33 fga).. Meanwhile, Lebron can't do either of these things (get elite stats in an equal opportunity offense or have good efficiency at high volume).

[3ball]

^^^^ oh shit my bad wrong thread .. :lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

Gay boy club

[AnaheimLakers24]

Baby dick bandits :lol

[20Four]

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[WayOfWade]

At least the Cavs didn't lose 61 games last year

[Vaniiiia]

20Four don't you have a girlfriend dude? How can you work full-time and still be on ISH more than anyone.

It's seriously impressive

[20Four]

20Four don't you have a girlfriend dude? How can you work full-time and still be on ISH more than anyone.

It's seriously impressive
Speak for yourself LOL you're the one with 10 different alt accounts with 1000+ posts in each of them...

[Jameerthefear]

I'm in.

[Fallen Angel]

http://i.imgur.com/dYOwj7S.jpg
Always gets me :lol

[Vaniiiia]

Speak for yourself LOL you're the one with 10 different alt accounts with 1000+ posts in each of them...
20four is online now

Of course he is!

[RoundMoundOfReb]

Superb thread.

[poido123]

Lebron's "Believe" fanclub :lol

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Poido "Hasn't been seen since LeKing bounced the bulls out in the 2nd round"

[Magic 32]

Lebron James. Efficiency, unselfishness.....dominant!

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[dubeta]

So LeBron has 3 40 point Finals games just last June, while Kobe only has 1 in 20 seasons?


Damn you learn something new everyday, thanks Magic32!

[GoatBoy]

2/7 :applause:

[3ball]

Lebron James. Efficiency, unselfishness.....dominant!

http://s4.postimg.org/a4xgjn5pp/4536545.png

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Ah yes, excellent... :applause: ... More evidence of Lebron's inability to shoot well at high shot volume... The stats already showed that Lebron is horrible at the additional midrange required of high volume shooting.

Lebron's 2015 playoff average of 27 shot attempts per game cannot be achieved on all 3-and-D - good midrange is needed to shoot well at this volume.. Accordingly, Lebron's career 35% midrange efficiency in the playoffs precludes him from ever shooting well at very high volumes - this is a statistical fact.

Otoh, Kobe is a career 43% midrange shooter... So he is more capable of shooting well at high volume.. It's clear as day

[dubeta]

Ah yes, excellent... :applause: ... More evidence of Lebron's inability to shoot well at high shot volume... The stats already showed that Lebron is horrible at the additional midrange required of high volume shooting.

Lebron's 2015 playoff average of 27 shot attempts per game cannot be achieved on all 3-and-D - good midrange is needed to shoot well at this volume.. Accordingly, Lebron's career 35% midrange efficiency in the playoffs precludes him from ever shooting well at very high volumes - this is a statistical fact.

Otoh, Kobe is a career 43% midrange shooter... So he is more capable of shooting well at high volume.. It's clear as day


And again the disease is spreading, seek help bro!

[sd3035]

And again the disease is spreading, seek help bro!

meltdown :applause: