Rank the NBA Champions from the East, post 99

[Legends66NBA7]

03/04 Detroit Pistons
05/06 Miami Heat
07/08 Boston Celtics
11/12 Miami Heat
12/13 Miami Heat


Which order would you have these teams rank from strongest to weakest ?

[Kobe_6/8]

03/04 Detroit Pistons
05/06 Miami Heat
07/08 Boston Celtics
11/12 Miami Heat
12/13 Miami Heat


Which order would you have these teams rank from strongest to weakest ?

04 Pistons
13 Heat
08 Celtics
06 Heat
12 Heat

[Legends66NBA7]

Keeping this bumped in case people missed this.

[Indian guy]

2013 Heat
2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons
2006 Heat
2012 Heat

A fully healthy 2013 Heat team is comfortably the best, IMO. Wade's injury issues in the playoffs made the last 2 rounds a struggle for them and that's what most people remember, but when he was healthy, they were unstoppable. They won the championship in 2012 and then add 2 quality pieces in Birdman and Ray Allen in 2013. Birdman in particular solved much of their interior issues. After signing him mid-season, they finished the regular season 38-4 and were 54-11(68 win pace) with him overall.

[lilteapot]

03/04 Detroit Pistons
05/06 Miami Heat
07/08 Boston Celtics
11/12 Miami Heat
12/13 Miami Heat


Which order would you have these teams rank from strongest to weakest ?

'13 Heat
'08 Celts
'04 Pistons
'12 Heat
'06 Heat

[catch24]

'08 Celts
'13 Heat
'04 Pistons
'12 Heat
'06 Heat

'13 Heat and '08 Celtics can go either way, but I feel they would've been revved up to play against Miami, especially LeBron at the peak of his powers.

When they didn't play down to their competition, the original big 3 in their primes were SCARY good.

[JT123]

2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons
2006 Heat
2012 Heat
2013 Heat

[T_L_P]

'08 Celts
'13 Heat
'04 Pistons
'12 Heat
'06 Heat

..

[WayOfWade]

I think it should be pretty well accepted that the 06' Heat team is the worst on the list, followed shortly by the 12' Heat. The top three is between the 08' Celtics, 04' Pistons, and 13' Heat. Now I would say the 13' Heat for reasons stated by Indian Guy, but I've got a sneaking feeling that the 08' Celtics would beat both them and the 04' Pistons. Between the 04' Pistons and the 13' Heat, I've got to give that spot to the Heat for being a much better all-around team and being able to get out of some serious adversity.
In short:
1. 08' Celtics
2. 13' Heat
3. 04' Pistons
4. 12' Heat
5. 06' Heat

[GrapeApe]

2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons
2006 Heat
2012 Heat
2013 Heat

You're basically saying '06 Wade > '12 and '13 Lebron. I don't think you thought that one through.

:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

You're basically saying '06 Wade > '12 and '13 Lebron. I don't think you thought that one through.

:oldlol:

or he could be saying Wade/Shaq > bran/wade

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[dubeta]

2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons
2006 Heat
2012 Heat
2013 Heat

Agreed

That 2012 and 2013 Heat supporting cast was god awful

[GrapeApe]

or he could be saying Wade/Shaq > bran/wade

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Wade in the '12 and '13 regular season and finals:
22/5/5 and 23/6/5
21/5/5 and 20/5/4

Shaq in the '06 regular season and finals:
18/9 and 13/8

That's not even getting into the '12 and '13 Heat having an all star third option. One way or the other, ranking the '12 and '13 Heat below '06 is probably not in a Lebron stan's best interest.

[AnaheimLakers24]

08 celtics
04 pistons
doesnt matter, rest of teams were stacked in a weak era.

[KnittingRyu]

2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons
2013 Heat
2006 Heat
2012 Heat

[Dragonyeuw]

08 Celtics and 13 Heat interchangable at the top, followed by 04 Pistons, 12 Heat, 06 Heat.

[Gileraracer]

08 Celtics
04 Pistons
13 Heat
12 Heat
06 Heat

Most of the time (12 & 13) heat looked way better than they were because of the weak east.

[plowking]

08 Celtics
04 Pistons
13 Heat
12 Heat
06 Heat

Most of the time (12 & 13) heat looked way better than they were because of the weak east.

The 2012 East had every single team in the playoffs with a record above .500... 2013 had 7 out of 8.
2008 had 5...
2004 had 4...

So who was the one that looked better than they were.

Bunch of idiots with agendas on here. Asswipe.

[Dragonyeuw]

08 Celtics
04 Pistons
13 Heat
12 Heat
06 Heat

Most of the time (12 & 13) heat looked way better than they were because of the weak east.

The east has been generally weak for 15 years, so that comment would apply to any Eastern conference champ. If anything the east was stronger in 2013 compared to the Pistons heyday....

[Dragonyeuw]

How far would we say the 07 Pistons had fallen from their 04 peak? Obviously not as good, but I'm thinking about how a still-raw Lebron pretty much took them out with a mediocre Cavs team.

[aj1987]

'13 Heat over the '12 Heat? :oldlol:

'12 Heat
'08 Celtics
'13 Heat/'04 Pistons
'06 Heat

[HiphopRelated]

06 Heat > 04 Pistons

Wade was putting foot to ass vs that team in '05 until the rib injury and obliterated them in '06.

No doubt in my mind

[aj1987]

06 Heat > 04 Pistons

Wade was putting foot to ass vs that team in '05 until the rib injury and obliterated them in '06.

No doubt in my mind
Yeah, but the rest of the team struggled in the Finals. We're talking about how good the Champions were. With Shaq struggling against their frontline, the Piston's would beat the Heat in 6.

[Muskarat]

03/04 Detroit Pistons
05/06 Miami Heat
07/08 Boston Celtics
11/12 Miami Heat
12/13 Miami Heat


Which order would you have these teams rank from strongest to weakest ?

07/08 Celtics
03/04 Pistons
12/13 Heat
11/12 Heat
05/06 Heat

[ArbitraryWater]

'11 Heat > '12 Heat > '13 Heat > '14 Heat

[aj1987]

'11 Heat > '12 Heat > '13 Heat > '14 Heat
They weren't champs though.

[West-Side]

03/04 Detroit Pistons
05/06 Miami Heat
07/08 Boston Celtics
11/12 Miami Heat
12/13 Miami Heat


Which order would you have these teams rank from strongest to weakest ?

08' Celtics
12' Heat
04' Pistons
13' Heat
06' Heat

[Dbrog]

How far would we say the 07 Pistons had fallen from their 04 peak? Obviously not as good, but I'm thinking about how a still-raw Lebron pretty much took them out with a mediocre Cavs team.

Extremely far. They didn't even have their (IMO) MVP from the 04' run and replaced him with a run-down and awkward C-Webb.

[West-Side]

'13 Heat over the '12 Heat? :oldlol:

'12 Heat
'08 Celtics
'13 Heat/'04 Pistons
'06 Heat

What the ****?
The 13' Heat that barely beat SA are on the same level as the 04' Pistons? :facepalm

Go do some homework bud; 04' Pistons probably sweeps the 13' Spurs. :rolleyes:

[Lebron23]

'11 Heat > '12 Heat > '13 Heat > '14 Heat


2011 lacks bench and team chemistry. 2013 beat much better teams than the 2012 Heat.

[Lebron23]

The 2012 East had every single team in the playoffs with a record above .500... 2013 had 7 out of 8.
2008 had 5...
2004 had 4...

So who was the one that looked better than they were.

Bunch of idiots with agendas on here. Asswipe.


Asian Kobetards are the scum of the universe.

[aj1987]

What the ****?
The 13' Heat that barely beat SA are on the same level as the 04' Pistons? :facepalm

Go do some homework bud; 04' Pistons probably sweeps the 13' Spurs. :rolleyes:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just because the Heat "barely" beat the Spurs? The Spurs were a great team, dumbass. 7th in offense and 3rd defensively, compared to 18th offensively and 2nd defensively for the Pistons. The Spurs' 3pt shooting and ball movement would KILL the Pistons' D. Seems like it's YOU, who needs to do more homework.

[West-Side]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just because the Heat "barely" beat the Spurs? The Spurs were a great team, dumbass. 7th in offense and 3rd defensively, compared to 18th offensively and 2nd defensively for the Pistons. The Spurs' 3pt shooting and ball movement would KILL the Pistons' D. Seems like it's YOU, who needs to do more homework.

You ****ing moron just shut up.
SA ranked 7th in offense and 3rd in defense in one of the most weakest years of basketball. There was huge parity between the "few" good teams and all the other garbage that year.

Pistons in the PLAYOFFS destroyed teams, period.
Their defensive rating was higher than most teams from the 70's. They jumped from 95 (2nd overall) to 92 in the playoffs.
Go learn the ****ing game, seriously.


Pistons destroys 2013 SA, in maximum 5 games. :rolleyes:

[West-Side]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Just because the Heat "barely" beat the Spurs? The Spurs were a great team, dumbass. 7th in offense and 3rd defensively, compared to 18th offensively and 2nd defensively for the Pistons. The Spurs' 3pt shooting and ball movement would KILL the Pistons' D. Seems like it's YOU, who needs to do more homework.

Welcome to ignore list, I don't have any patience dealing with morons like you on this forum anymore.

[aj1987]

You ****ing moron just shut up.
SA ranked 7th in offense and 3rd in defense in one of the most weakest years of basketball. There was huge parity between the "few" good teams and all the other garbage that year.

Pistons in the PLAYOFFS destroyed teams, period.
Their defensive rating was higher than most teams from the 70's. They jumped from 95 (2nd overall) to 92 in the playoffs.
Go learn the ****ing game, seriously.


Pistons destroys 2013 SA, in maximum 5 games. :rolleyes:
Kobe turd having a literal meltdown.

.500 teams in '13 - 17
.500 win teams in '04 - 16

Again, the Spurs are an ELITE shooting and passing team. Not to mention a team with a damn good defense as well. They'd absolutely WRECK the Pistons and their non-existent offense.

The Pistons' DRtg wouldn't even be than low, if it wasn't for the garbage ass offensive teams in the league.

Get bent, ******.

[plowking]

2013 Heat is the best team on that list. As champions they suffered a bit due to injuries to Wade, but prior to that they were amazing. Saying that though, I'd take the 2013 and 2014 Spurs over every other team on that list. I know they're from the West, but just for reference to how good that 2013 Heat team was.

In fact, the 2014 Spurs would beat the 2013 Heat, and just about any champion outside of the 2000 Lakers in the last 15 years.

2008 Celtics were good, but IMO overrated. Went to 7 games against a 30 something win team, and the next round too I believe. Don't think they were close to being as dominating as the 2013 or 2012 Heat.

The 2006 Heat team is the worst on that list. In fact, I feel as if they are the worst champ of the last 15 years. Saying that though, probably my favourite title, seeing as it was the first one I got to see my team win.

[Bankaii]

Idiots using the "weak East" and "stacked" excuses against the Heat but not the Celtics:facepalm

2013 Heat
2008 Celtics
2004 Pistons/2012 Heat
2006 Heat

[DaSeba5]

12/13 Heat
I think they are the best when fully healthy. When Wade was healthy, that team looked unstoppable during their win streak. They had a scary offense and a tough defense. But more importantly, they had too much star power from players in their primes. They just weren't healthy in the playoffs and the shooters got cold. But they found a way to win.

07/08 Celtics
They had a tough defense and star power from older, but still really good players. They had good coaching and a really tough defense.

03/04 Pistons
They don't have the star power of the above teams, but that was an all around great team, especially on defense.

11/12 Heat
That team was on a mission after losing in 2011 and their spacing looked amazing in the Finals, but they still were terrible against bigs. The only team that could really exploit them didn't have enough offense and star power to beat them. OKC was a perfect matchup for them.

05/06 Heat
Wade had one of the best Finals I have ever seen. That was an upset. Shaq wasn't exactly dominant. They were a good team, but their reliance on one player puts them as the worse among this group. But it still remains my favorite memory as a Heat fan besides the Ray Allen shot.

[Bankaii]

You ****ing moron just shut up.
SA ranked 7th in offense and 3rd in defense in one of the most weakest years of basketball. There was huge parity between the "few" good teams and all the other garbage that year.

Pistons in the PLAYOFFS destroyed teams, period.
Their defensive rating was higher than most teams from the 70's. They jumped from 95 (2nd overall) to 92 in the playoffs.
Go learn the ****ing game, seriously.


Pistons destroys 2013 SA, in maximum 5 games. :rolleyes:
Dude you're freaking out and bring completely irrational for no reason.
AJ is pretty correct in what he's saying. You're overrating Detroit's defense far too much. The freaking Nets took them to 7 games.
And you're discrediting the Spurs for facing "weak teams" when the 2004 Pistons faced worse teams.

To say Detroit would beat the Spurs in 5 is just stupid. To be honest the Spurs probably win the series, too many options for the Pistons to handle.

[tpols]

Dude you're freaking out and bring completely irrational for no reason.
AJ is pretty correct in what he's saying. You're overrating Detroit's defense far too much. The freaking Nets took them to 7 games.
And you're discrediting the Spurs for facing "weak teams" when the 2004 Pistons faced worse teams.

To say Detroit would beat the Spurs in 5 is just stupid. To be honest the Spurs probably win the series, too many options for the Pistons to handle.

the nets played the same type of game as Detroit but always had the best player on the court as well.. so it was never a good matchup for them to try slow the pace and play bully ball on a team that does the same thing.

SAS could certainly win, but it wouldn't be easy.. TD feasted against Miami.. hes not doing shit against prime Ben and Sheed. Hell 05 prime Duncan himself couldn't do shit against them. Can you imagine what theyd do to the 13 version ?

They would basically have to rely on tony parker being able to slice and dice through the lane (good luck post-no handchecking rules + Billups on top of you and some of the best help defense of all time behind him) and danny green breaking the finals record for 3s again.

Good luck with that.

[Suguru101]

What the ****?
The 13' Heat that barely beat SA are on the same level as the 04' Pistons? :facepalm

Go do some homework bud; 04' Pistons probably sweeps the 13' Spurs. :rolleyes:

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

What the ****?
The 13' Heat that barely beat SA are on the same level as the 04' Pistons? :facepalm

Go do some homework bud; 04' Pistons probably sweeps the 13' Spurs. :rolleyes:

WHAT THE ****

[Suguru101]

WHAT THE ****

I'm still :biggums:

[riseagainst]

You're basically saying '06 Wade > '12 and '13 Lebron. I don't think you thought that one through.

:oldlol:


:lol
:roll:

[West-Side]

WHAT THE ****

This is why I hate this forum so much.
Teams from 10' - 15' (besides the 12'/13' Heat and 14' Spurs and MAYBE 15' Warriors) would get their shit kicked in by almost any elite team from 00' to 08'.

2004 Pistons were a much better than the 13' Spurs.
You had Ben Wallace, Billups, Sheed, Prince, Hamilton against 36 year old Duncan, 35 year old Duncan, rookie Leonard, Parker and a bunch of role players.

Revisionists like yourself only consider SA a great team because you don't consider parity. You look at the fact that SA won 58 games that year and think "well they won more than Detroit did" yet there were probably close to 7/8 teams better than the 2013 Spurs.

Who else out west was honestly better?
Sure, SA was a top 3-4 team but the 2004 version of SA was easily better to me. The same team that couldn't beat LA but Detroit did.

It's also all about match-up.
I don't see SA having as much success with their ball movement against Detroit. That perimeter defense was suffocating, look at what they did to Kobe. SA doesn't even have a go-to-guy in 2013. Tony Parker? 36 year olf Duncan is suppose to carry them?

You guys are forgetting how great that Pistons team was.
Sure, they won the title mostly because LA imploded but even against a healthy and cohesive Laker squad that year, I see them winning 2 maybe 3 games because of match-up. Don't discredit the Nets in 2004, they were a great team as well.

Detroit won 54 games in 2004, which is 4 less than SA but consider the context.

Rasheed only played 22 games for them that year.

Rasheed was acquire February 19th, at the time Detroit had a 34-24 record. They finished the year going 19-3 with Rasheed in the lineup.

[Bankaii]

the nets played the same type of game as Detroit but always had the best player on the court as well.. so it was never a good matchup for them to try slow the pace and play bully ball on a team that does the same thing.

SAS could certainly win, but it wouldn't be easy.. TD feasted against Miami.. hes not doing shit against prime Ben and Sheed. Hell 05 prime Duncan himself couldn't do shit against them. Can you imagine what theyd do to the 13 version ?

They would basically have to rely on tony parker being able to slice and dice through the lane (good luck post-no handchecking rules + Billups on top of you and some of the best help defense of all time behind him) and danny green breaking the finals record for 3s again.

Good luck with that.
That's the thing tho. The 05 Spurs were far too reliant on their stars, which is why the series was so close.
The 13-14 Spurs played in more of a team system on both offense and defense with more ball movement and better 3 point shooting. On top of that the Spurs didn't have a Kahwi type player in 05. Bowen was way too old by then.

I'm not saying the Spurs would blow them out. But 2005 Spurs> Detroit. And 2013 Spurs are at least equal to if not better than the 2005 Spurs.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Weak east simce 2011
08 celtics sweep all those teams and go to 7 against the piston

bron is a tool with small parts

[West-Side]

That's the thing tho. The 05 Spurs were far too reliant on their stars, which is why the series was so close.
The 13-14 Spurs played in more of a team system on both offense and defense with more ball movement and better 3 point shooting. On top of that the Spurs didn't have a Kahwi type player in 05. Bowen was way too old by then.

I'm not saying the Spurs would blow them out. But 2005 Spurs> Detroit. And 2013 Spurs are at least equal to if not better than the 2005 Spurs.

I'm pretty sure 2004 Pistons had two KEY role players in Williamson and Okur that they did NOT have in 2005. The 2004 Pistons were easily better than the 2005 Pistons; and 2005 Spurs were better than the 2013 Spurs.

Everyone thinks the 2013 Spurs were something special. They had great ball movement and took advantage of a league that had few elite teams.

[GrapeApe]

Reading through this thread it seems the 2012 Heat are being a bit underrated. That team had peak / MVP Lebron and a still prime Wade. They were much more cohesive as a unit than the previous year, and as someone already mentioned, they were on a mission to atone for the failure in 2011. The Bosh injury in the playoffs is the only thing that slowed them down IMO.

[Legends66NBA7]

Reading through this thread it seems the 2012 Heat are being a bit underrated. That team had peak / MVP Lebron and a still prime Wade. They were much more cohesive as a unit than the previous year, and as someone already mentioned, they were on a mission to atone for the failure in 2011. The Bosh injury in the playoffs is the only thing that slowed them down IMO.

I agree.

12 Heat are to me the best Heat championship team, followed by 13.

[SamuraiSWISH]

2013 Heat
2008 Celtics
2012 Heat
2006 Heat
2004 Pistons

[houston]

2013 Heat
2008 Celtics
2012 Heat
2006 Heat
2004 Pistons


yup this is right

[Lebron23]

2013 Heat
2008 Celtics
2012 Heat
2006 Heat
2004 Pistons


I have to agree with this posts.

[aj1987]

This is why I hate this forum so much.
Teams from 10' - 15' (besides the 12'/13' Heat and 14' Spurs and MAYBE 15' Warriors) would get their shit kicked in by almost any elite team from 00' to 08'.

2004 Pistons were a much better than the 13' Spurs.
You had Ben Wallace, Billups, Sheed, Prince, Hamilton against 36 year old Duncan, 35 year old Duncan, rookie Leonard, Parker and a bunch of role players.

Revisionists like yourself only consider SA a great team because you don't consider parity. You look at the fact that SA won 58 games that year and think "well they won more than Detroit did" yet there were probably close to 7/8 teams better than the 2013 Spurs.

Who else out west was honestly better?
Sure, SA was a top 3-4 team but the 2004 version of SA was easily better to me. The same team that couldn't beat LA but Detroit did.

It's also all about match-up.
I don't see SA having as much success with their ball movement against Detroit. That perimeter defense was suffocating, look at what they did to Kobe. SA doesn't even have a go-to-guy in 2013. Tony Parker? 36 year olf Duncan is suppose to carry them?

You guys are forgetting how great that Pistons team was.
Sure, they won the title mostly because LA imploded but even against a healthy and cohesive Laker squad that year, I see them winning 2 maybe 3 games because of match-up. Don't discredit the Nets in 2004, they were a great team as well.

Detroit won 54 games in 2004, which is 4 less than SA but consider the context.

Rasheed only played 22 games for them that year.

Rasheed was acquire February 19th, at the time Detroit had a 34-24 record. They finished the year going 19-3 with Rasheed in the lineup.

Absolutely horrible post. Might belong in the dumbest things ever said on ISH thread.