If Kobe replaced Wade from 2011-2015 how many rings would kobe and lebron win?

[Beastmode88]

Hypothetical question. :confusedshrug:

[JT123]

Most likely none. As critical as I have been of Wade for his shitty playoff performances during the big 3 era he was at least smart enough to submit to the true alpha dog of the team. Or at least he was after that first season together. Kobe wouldn't be able to handle Bron getting all the shine, and would likely sabotage the Finals ala 2004 to keep his much better teammate from winning Finals MVP.

[AnaheimLakers24]

All of them.

Only duo besides kobe and duncan that i wished happened was kobe and lebrick

[AnaheimLakers24]

Also kobe and bron would win a 2v2 againsr small dick jordan and ugly ass mofo pippen

[lefthook00]

Most likely none. As critical as I have been of Wade for his shitty playoff performances during the big 3 era he was at least smart enough to submit to the true alpha dog of the team. Or at least he was after that first season together. Kobe wouldn't be able to handle Bron getting all the shine, and would likely sabotage the Finals ala 2004 to keep his much better teammate from winning Finals MVP.

Kobe didn't sabotage anything in 2004, he legit tried to win, he just failed.

You're thinking about what LeBron did to Wade in the 2011 finals.

[red1]

Is this a troll thread? They go ring-less.

[jstern]

Depends if Kobe is able to take a back seat to Lebron. He wouldn't, so probably none. The team wouldn't evolve.

[GrapeApe]

Well first of all Lebron wasn't with Miami in 2015. Assuming Kobe and Lebron could coexist, the'd probably have the same results. Championships in '12 and '13. Kobe was hurt in '14 and even if he was healthy I don't see them beating the Spurs in the finals.

That being said, I'm not sure Kobe and Lebron could coexist. It would have been interesting to see though, that's for sure. After getting off to a shaky start Lebron and Wade developed great chemistry together.

[Wade's Rings]

What versions of Kobe are you talking about? 2010-2014 Kobe? Or Prime Kobe? Or Prime/Tail-end Prime Kobe?

[TheMarkMadsen]

If we replace them at the same age that's 08,09,10,11 Kobe.. holy shit..

:oldlol: :oldlol:

Kobe demands that lebron gets traded after 2011

gets Pau Gasol

3peats with Pau/Bosh

[Beastmode88]

What versions of Kobe are you talking about? 2010-2014 Kobe? Or Prime Kobe? Or Prime/Tail-end Prime Kobe?

Kobe from 2011-2015

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I actually think Kobe and LeBron would coexist better.

At least their games would. Kobe is an elite off ball player, so I could picture him getting lots of quality assists from KANG.

Dude would be the perfect volume scorer for those Miami teams.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe from 2011-2015

whats the point of that when he missed 2 of those years

better to compare if we replaced 08 Kobe with 11 Wade and progressed from there

[GoatBoy]

whats the point of that when he missed 2 of those years

better to compare if we replaced 08 Kobe with 11 Wade and progressed from there

If we go from there, they comfortably win every year

[Beastmode88]

whats the point of that when he missed 2 of those years

better to compare if we replaced 08 Kobe with 11 Wade and progressed from there


Maybe kobe wouldnt of got injured playing with bron bron if he didnt have to carry the offense load.

[Papaya Petee]

11 Wade was better than Kobe, LeBron still dissapears in the finals, no ring. Kobe struggled vs Boston, and Wade tore them to shreds in that 2nd round.

12 Probably. But does Kobe step up like Wade does vs Pacers in 2012 down 1-2 down 10 in game 4? All without Bosh? Does Kobe stay consistent in the finals? I say yes, ring.

13 No. Wade was bad because he was injured, Kobe got injured and played 0 games in the playoffs. So no ring as you start Ray Allen at the 2 with no backup.

14 No. Didn't Kobe play like 13 games? Even with a healthy Kobe the Spurs smoke them.

So 1 ring in 2012 at best.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Not sure Bean still gets injured in this scenario. Especially if dude is playing off ball, and Bron does most of the playmaking.

[GrapeApe]

I actually think Kobe and LeBron would coexist better.

At least their games would. Kobe is an elite off ball player, so I could picture him getting lots of quality assists from KANG.

Dude would be the perfect volume scorer for those Miami teams.

Wade is also elite off the ball, just in a different way. He's one of the best cutters in the league. Here is a great article talking about Wade's "gravity" and the defensive attention he draws off the ball. He's as feared as elite 3 point shooters.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line

Kobe is a better distance shooter, but Wade's off the ball play is a big reason that he and Lebron were able to develop such great chemistry together. Wade turned himself into an outstanding off the ball player.

[Papaya Petee]

Not sure Bean still gets injured in this scenario. Especially if dude is playing off ball, and Bron does most of the playmaking.
Ok, if Kobe stays healthy then 2013 as well.

Still no chance in 2011 and 2014.

[Rocketswin2013]

It's impossible to know exactly what would happen, but I'm almost sure it wouldn't yield any great results.

[GrapeApe]

11 Wade was better than Kobe, LeBron still dissapears in the finals, no ring. Kobe struggled vs Boston, and Wade tore them to shreds in that 2nd round.

12 Probably. But does Kobe step up like Wade does vs Pacers in 2012 down 1-2 down 10 in game 4? All without Bosh? Does Kobe stay consistent in the finals? I say yes, ring.

13 No. Wade was bad because he was injured, Kobe got injured and played 0 games in the playoffs. So no ring as you start Ray Allen at the 2 with no backup.

14 No. Didn't Kobe play like 13 games? Even with a healthy Kobe the Spurs smoke them.

So 1 ring in 2012 at best.

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this. They definitely don't win in '11 and '14, but I think they'd get it done in '12. If Kobe is injured for the '13 playoffs they obviously wouldn't win it that year, but Kobe had a nice year up until the injury. If he's healthy throughout the playoffs they'd have a good chance of winning it. However, let's not forget that despite being injured Wade played well in the finals and it still went down to the last minute of game 7.

Granted, it's logically flawed to assume everything except Wade/Kobe happens exactly the same so who really knows.

[sportjames23]

Most likely none. As critical as I have been of Wade for his shitty playoff performances during the big 3 era he was at least smart enough to submit to the true alpha dog of the team. Or at least he was after that first season together. Kobe wouldn't be able to handle Bron getting all the shine, and would likely sabotage the Finals ala 2004 to keep his much better teammate from winning Finals MVP.


Which resulted in only 2 rings during that span.

[dubeta]

Holy shit I just realized Kobe and Wade both declined at the exact same time. I'm not even a Kobe fan but god damn Wade, could barely outlast another player who had 7 years more wear and tear on him :lol

Both exited their prime at the same time, no Wade fan can defend this

[kennethgriffin]

lebron would sabotage every single finals like 2011

they wouldnt win any

since kobe was still more alpha mentality player in 2011,2012,2013

so naturally he would be leading scorer and the 4th quarter guy for the heat


then after the achilles its pretty much over

[GrapeApe]

Holy shit I just realized Kobe and Wade both declined at the exact same time. I'm not even a Kobe fan but god damn Wade, could barely outlast another player who had 7 years more wear and tear on him :lol

Both exited their prime at the same time, no Wade fan can defend this

Defend what? His injuries have been unfortunate but what's to be said? There have been plenty of great athletes who have had their careers shortened by injuries. That's life. Even so, Wade's still going. He's past his prime, but at 33 he's still a quality player. I mean, the list of other SG's 33+ to post a 22/5/4/2 47% caliber season is basically MJ and Kobe. He'll likely finish his career with over a dozen all star appearances, and if the Heat stay healthy and gel together maybe another deep playoff run. My point is, you can't close the book on Wade just yet.

[knicksman]

If i could give them 5, i would. Thats how dominant they are. You could even remove bran and theyre not missing a beat

[TheBigVeto]

Zero

[JohnMax]

Heat were built to compliment Wade and Lebron.

[Beastmode88]

So the consensus from Lebron stans, Wade > Kobe? :biggums:

[dubeta]

So the consensus from Lebron stans, Wade > Kobe? :biggums:


Yes, neither are top 25 though

[Levity]

definitely win the two the heat won, if not more.

Kobe has no problem deferring to legit teammates, despite what all the chiiidren in here want to argue. Pau always got his touches. bynum, during phils last season and all of browns season, was force fed in the post by kobe. hell, artest got plenty of touches even though he had his worst offensive years with LA, due to kobe knowing his offensive capabilities. Even sessions saw his fair share of the green light, until he ultimately folded under pressure.

So if you pair an aging kobe with a prime lebron, dont be shocked to see the 'old lion' taking that passenger seat role.

[Beastmode88]

Yes, neither are top 25 though

Off Topic: Name 25 people better than Kobe / DWade please.

[GrapeApe]

Off Topic: Name 25 people better than Kobe / DWade please.

lol. If he does (which he probably won't), prepare to see guys like Pippen, Gasol, Rodman, and probably Luc Longley, Toni Kukoc, Derrick Fisher and Lamar Odom too.

[riseagainst]

Off Topic: Name 25 people better than Kobe / DWade please.

/ethered

:roll:

[dubeta]

lol. If he does (which he probably won't), prepare to see guys like Pippen, Gasol, Rodman, and probably Luc Longley, Toni Kukoc, Derrick Fisher and Lamar Odom too.


Lol Derrick fisher wtf? Stop trolling

[MEB2kDeez]

This is Kobe and Lebron, if push came to shove I'm sure both would take backseats to eachother when needed in a game. I'd say 1 or 2 honestly though.

[GrapeApe]

Lol Derrick fisher wtf? Stop trolling

:oldlol:

:applause:

Well done.

[Beastmode88]

Lol Derrick fisher wtf? Stop trolling

still waiting on those 25 people :sleeping

[ArbitraryWater]

3 probably... 2011-2013. Bron wouldn't take a backseat to 2011 Kobe since he wasn't on Wade's level (2011 Kobe), that wouldn't have began to work. Larger role, stays in comfort zone perhaps... but I'm afraid Kobe chucks em out of the '13 finals, or gets too shot happy in all the games the Heat were in critical positions, where it was LeBron turning the tides.

[dazzer87]

Also kobe and bron would win a 2v2 againsr small dick jordan and ugly ass mofo pippen
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/06/fa/63/06fa638adb5542d13258ab3c20fb3ed2.gif


thats a funny joke..

[HOoopCityJones]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/06/fa/63/06fa638adb5542d13258ab3c20fb3ed2.gif


thats a funny joke..

You seriously think that Jordan and Pippen beat Kobe and Lebron two on two? This is the problem with Jordan stans, just because he's the Goat doesn't mean he'd win in any scenario ever. Pre PJ and Scotty or Wizards Jordan for example.

[dazzer87]

You seriously think that Jordan and Pippen beat Kobe and Lebron two on two? This is the problem with Jordan stans, just because he's the Goat doesn't mean he'd win in any scenario ever. Pre PJ and Scotty or Wizards Jordan for example.
You will think Kobe and James are going to beat MJ and Pippen? This is the problem with people who didnt watch basketball before 2000......

[sportjames23]

You seriously think that Jordan and Pippen beat Kobe and Lebron two on two? This is the problem with Jordan stans, just because he's the Goat doesn't mean he'd win in any scenario ever. Pre PJ and Scotty or Wizards Jordan for example.


MJ and Pip would have an easier time of locking up Bron and Kobe than the other way around. And you know Kobe will get caught up in trying to out-play His GOATNESS MJ.

[HOoopCityJones]

You will think Kobe and James are going to beat MJ and Pippen? This is the problem with people who didnt watch basketball before 2000......

It's not as much of a wash as you make it seem. Most of this attitude your taking towards it is based on Jordan. Either Prime Kobe or Lebron eat Scotty for breakfast. Mike is the wild card , but I bet he'll get stuck in a shootout with Kobe like what happens every time they've played each other ever.

[HOoopCityJones]

MJ and Pip would have an easier time of locking up Bron and Kobe than the other way around. And you know Kobe will get caught up in trying to out-play His GOATNESS MJ.

All four of them are great Defenders, so like I said it's not a wash for either side.

[Beastmode88]

All four of them are great Defenders, so like I said it's not a wash for either side.

I got a feeling lebron will fold under the MJ trash talk, kobe wouldn't be phased.

[dubeta]

Wait I just realized this is Kobe we're talking about. Historically he shits the bed against East defenses, and now you want him to survive 3 rounds of Eastern defenses... every year??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Beastmode88]

Wait I just realized this is Kobe we're talking about. Historically he shits the bed against East defenses, and now you want him to survive 3 rounds of Eastern defenses... every year??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

Sounds like lebron's finals record vs the west. it's 2 for 6 if u forgot.

[Showtime2001]

Sounds like lebron's finals record vs the west. it's 2 for 6 if u forgot.
http://i.imgur.com/URVaAmz.gif

[JT123]

Wait I just realized this is Kobe we're talking about. Historically he shits the bed against East defenses, and now you want him to survive 3 rounds of Eastern defenses... every year??? :roll: :roll: :roll:
:roll:

[JT123]

Sounds like lebron's finals record vs the west. it's 2 for 6 if u forgot.
Lebron's teams have only been favored in the Finals twice. His record is what it should be.
Baldbe on the other hand has been favored in EVERY finals he's played, yet has lost twice as the favorite while needing historic amounts of help from his bigs just to beat the shitty Eastern teams he has faced.

[dubeta]

Lebron's teams have only been favored in the Finals twice. His record is what it should be.
Baldbe on the other hand has been favored in EVERY finals he's played, yet has lost twice as the favorite while needing historic amounts of help from his bigs just to beat the shitty Eastern teams he has faced.

:lol :roll: Got em!