Australian taxation-We getting robbed

[poido123]

Here's a breakdown:

The following rates for 2015–16 apply from 1 July 2015.
Taxable income

Tax on this income
0 – $18,200
Nil

$18,201 – $37,000
19c for each $1 over $18,200

$37,001 – $80,000
$3,572 plus 32.5c for each $1 over $37,000

$80,001 – $180,000
$17,547 plus 37c for each $1 over $80,000

$180,001 and over
$54,547 plus 45c for each $1 over $180,000


Thankyou government for giving us the will to live and the ass to take a big one :cheers:

The government has also committed to over 10,000 refugees in which will most likely be on benefits from day one and our 10,000+ homeless remain homeless.

Expect the tax brackets to stretch even more, and all the other bullshit fees and beaurocracy.

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that's the cost of free health care and barely any fatal crime I guess. I'm more annoyed they keep taxing goods and services and products to try and stop people using them.

[poido123]

that's the cost of free health care and barely any fatal crime I guess. I'm more annoyed they keep taxing goods and services and products to try and stop people using them.


Costs associated to health care would already be taken care of in a number of money grabbing "mandatory payments to the government" which will rise in line with the rise in health costs.

The refugees coming in is a whole new funding hole we will have to plug.

Why do you think government wants us to stop buying goods and services? I don't understand why you say that.

[nathanjizzle]

[QUOTE=poido123]Here's a breakdown:

The following rates for 2015

[poido123]

so let me get this straight. if you make 45k living in australia, you must pay $3,572 plus an aditional $2599 for the 8k your making over 37,000? Thats comes out to just over 6k in taxes for a 45k salary. Thats the same as in the States


That's correct. I'm on just a little bit more than that now..

The next bracket is the harsh one. If you earn just over 80k, you get slugged pretty hard. I'd consider 80 to90k to still be a middle income earner

[Hawker]

that's the cost of free health care and barely any fatal crime I guess. I'm more annoyed they keep taxing goods and services and products to try and stop people using them.

"free"

Costs more to pay the tax/fines for not having private health care if you make 80k+

In 10 years time, you will have something like Obamacare in Australia. It's not affordable in australia.

[outbreak]

"free"

Costs more to pay the tax/fines for not having private health care if you make 80k+

In 10 years time, you will have something like Obamacare in Australia. It's not affordable in australia.

I make over 80k and have private health insurance not sure what you mean, every time i've had things done the only thing I have to cover out of pocket is the anaesthetist. I don't mind some of the tax but it's the tax for things no one wants or asks for that piss me off, like the transport "upgrade" in Victoria and the stupid ultranet plan for the education department that failed.

poido I meant that the government taxes some goods and services to try and dissuade you from using them, not that they tax all goods to stop you using them. see tobacco and alcohol.

[Hawker]

That's correct. I'm on just a little bit more than that now..

The next bracket is the harsh one. If you earn just over 80k, you get slugged pretty hard. I'd consider 80 to90k to still be a middle income earner

I make 80k+ and my tax rate was just over what I would pay in the US (which includes state + federal + social security + medicare + medicaid).

What's ****ed up is starting 1st July 2016 is that 457 visa will be classed as non-residents which means I get taxed on my 1st $18k. Gotta work something out with my employer but that is straight up bullshit.

Gotta pay for the citizen's services that I can't even use. :biggums:

[Hawker]

I make over 80k and have private health insurance not sure what you mean, every time i've had things done the only thing I have to cover out of pocket is the anaesthetist.

poido I meant that the government taxes some goods and services to try and dissuade you from using them, not that they tax all goods to stop you using them. see tobacco and alcohol.

What I meant is, if you choose not to have private health insurance and you make over 80k you get fined. So the taxes/fines from the government for not having private health insurance is actually more than if you were to actually have the private health insurance.

It's a pretty clear sign they're dissuading citizens from using the government healthcare system because it's unaffordable to have that many on it. Pretty much trying to get to a point where only the poor and lower middle class use the public healthcare.

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=poido123]Here's a breakdown:

The following rates for 2015

[RidonKs]

boy its a good thing money aint everything


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ammi rite?

[masonanddixon]

Govt should be taxing the shit out of miners/mining industry. Those turds shouldn't make more than 40k a year

[poido123]

I make over 80k and have private health insurance not sure what you mean, every time i've had things done the only thing I have to cover out of pocket is the anaesthetist. I don't mind some of the tax but it's the tax for things no one wants or asks for that piss me off, like the transport "upgrade" in Victoria and the stupid ultranet plan for the education department that failed.

poido I meant that the government taxes some goods and services to try and dissuade you from using them, not that they tax all goods to stop you using them. see tobacco and alcohol.


I see what you mean. Like how the government use scaremongering about speeding kills to build revenue on speeding drivers.

The government "apparently" cares about our health and well being while raking in millions through these lies.

[poido123]

I make 80k+ and my tax rate was just over what I would pay in the US (which includes state + federal + social security + medicare + medicaid).

What's ****ed up is starting 1st July 2016 is that 457 visa will be classed as non-residents which means I get taxed on my 1st $18k. Gotta work something out with my employer but that is straight up bullshit.

Gotta pay for the citizen's services that I can't even use. :biggums:


Yeah that really sucks. There are definitely groups of people who are heavily disadvantaged in all this.

I'm often infuriated that the government makes decisions on behalf of my backpocket. 2 parties to vote in and both make short term blunders to appeal to voters. No long term planning or sound spending of the nations coffers. Just waste waste waste.

[poido123]

Govt should be taxing the shit out of miners/mining industry. Those turds shouldn't make more than 40k a year


Indeed mining companies rape the land of resources and give little in return.

[masonanddixon]

I see what you mean. Like how the government use scaremongering about speeding kills to build revenue on speeding drivers.

The government "apparently" cares about our health and well being while raking in millions through these lies.

Govt makes nothing off of healthcare, though. The whole point of Queensland Health and 'public health awareness' campaigns and the like is for the government to save money, not because it actually gives a shit about anyone's health. When you see the current liver awarneess ads on TV, it's all because the govt doesnt want people coming into the Hepatic clinic, not because it gives a shit about your health. Queensland Health has been cutting down and shutting down a shitload of services, most prominently mental health services.

Queensland Health wants nothing more than for physicians to not treat any patients or to withhold or not proceed with any costly treatments or procedures; in fact QHealth will actually go after your license if you continue to pursue life saving but expensive treatments.

I think anyone who can afford private should go private anyways. You don't really want junior doctors in understaffed hospitals operating on you.

[masonanddixon]

Indeed mining companies rape the land of resources and give little in return.

Yeah the worst are guys like Hawker and that other Texas guy who just work for the gas/mining goons and make obscene salaries for what they contribute. They shouldn't make any more than 40k a year, and especially as foreigners.

[Hawker]

Indeed mining companies rape the land of resources and give little in return.

Australia is a resource economy dude.

[Hawker]

Yeah the worst are guys like Hawker and that other Texas guy who just work for the gas/mining goons and make obscene salaries for what they contribute. They shouldn't make any more than 40k a year, and especially as foreigners.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Everyone in this country makes obscene salaries ****wit. Why shouldn't I be able to make what I make? I'm not even on that obscene of a salary. I could be making WAY more in the USA as well but choose not to. And as a foreigner? Relax Tony Abbott.

Just live life dude. Who says what you do is any more important?

[masonanddixon]

Australia is a resource economy dude.

lol every citizen in Australia who isn't a mining lackey despises the mining industry, you'd probably get beaten in most towns in Queensland for saying you work in coal seam, they hate them especially in Darling Downs and Central QLD

[masonanddixon]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Everyone in this country makes obscene salaries ****wit. Why shouldn't I be able to make what I make? I'm not even on that obscene of a salary. I could be making WAY more in the USA as well but choose not to. And as a foreigner? Relax Tony Abbott.

Just live life dude. Who says what you do is any more important?

No they don't. You're not Australian. There's nurses for example whoo perform far more important work that you do that make far less.

As soon as Abbott gets canned the miners will go back to making jack shit in wages, which is how it should be.

[Hawker]

lol every citizen in Australia who isn't a mining lackey despises the mining industry, you'd probably get beaten in most towns in Queensland for saying you work in coal seam, they hate them especially in Darling Downs and Central QLD

I'm not in mining so I don't really worry about that. I've been out to Roma and other areas and have never gotten heat from anybody working out there.

Sure there are some people that dislike it but that's any industry. It's NSW where you'd get beaten...not Queensland.

So what do you suggest btw? Shut down power to the entire country?

[masonanddixon]

I'm not in mining so I don't really worry about that. I've been out to Roma and other areas and have never gotten heat from anybody working out there.

Sure there are some people that dislike it but that's any industry. It's NSW where you'd get beaten...not Queensland.

So what do you suggest btw? Shut down power to the entire country?

Queenslanders hate mining/CSG. Only people that are for it are bogans with 75 IQ and 5 kids by 22 who need the $$$$$$$.

Obviously the country needs to avoid CSG as there's too much evidence that shows fracking destroys the environment. In every other country miners make minimal salary which is how it should be.

Also the fact most of the coal/gas is exported to China doesn't make Australian sympathetic to the field either. It's a problem because this country has the most unique natural beauty in the world but it's also sitting on top of every natural resource and mineral in existence and it only takes one **** like Abbott to turn the country into a trash can.

[Hawker]

No they don't. You're not Australian. There's nurses for example whoo perform far more important work that you do that make far less.

As soon as Abbott gets canned the miners will go back to making jack shit in wages, which is how it should be.

You're probably right. I don't think my job is that important. I'm not having that conversation.

I just enjoy living in Australia...again, if you don't like the mining/coal seam gas, feel free to stop using fossil fuels whenever you'd like.

[masonanddixon]

You're probably right. I don't think my job is that important. I'm not having that conversation.

I just enjoy living in Australia...again, if you don't like the mining/coal seam gas, feel free to stop using fossil fuels whenever you'd like.

Everyone loves living here. The problem is you're working in a field that is accelerating the demise of the country and being paid nicely in the process, which rubs people the wrong way. Not me though, as I probably make 2-3 times what you make.

[Hawker]

Queenslanders hate mining/CSG.

Obviously the country needs to avoid CSG as there's too much evidence that shows fracking destroys the environment. In every other country miners make minimal salary which is how it should be.

Also the fact most of the coal/gas is exported to China doesn't make Australian sympathetic to the field either. It's a problem because this country has the most unique natural beauty in the world but it's also sitting on top of every natural resource and mineral in existence and it only takes one **** like Abbott to turn the country into a trash can.

Except that's 100% false. You're just spreading bullshit now. You've never provided a source for this as long as you've spewed it on here. If you're saying fossil fuels are bad for the environment, sure I agree with you but fracking itself as a threat? No.

Coal seam gas has been around for awhile and was around before Abbott so I don't know why you're using him as a scapegoat. Pretty sure mining companies have taken a shit as of recent as well?

You're exaggerating with the QLDers hating CSG. Never really met any resistance while I've been here.

[Hawker]

Everyone loves living here. The problem is you're working in a field that is accelerating the demise of the country and being paid nicely in the process, which rubs people the wrong way. Not me though, as I probably make 2-3 times what you make.

Great. What powers your car? What powers your house?

Australians in general are responsible for the demise of this country dude. Lost generation anyone?

[masonanddixon]

Except that's 100% false. You're just spreading bullshit now. You've never provided a source for this as long as you've spewed it on here. If you're saying fossil fuels are bad for the environment, sure I agree with you but fracking itself as a threat? No.

Coal seam gas has been around for awhile and was around before Abbott so I don't know why you're using him as a scapegoat. Pretty sure mining companies have taken a shit as of recent as well?

You're exaggerating with the QLDers hating CSG. Never really met any resistance while I've been here.

It's pretty obviious that fracking destroys groundwater permanently. There's a shitload of evidence and documentaries on it in America and in Darling Downs as well. Only mining cronies would suggest otherwise.

Maybe it's because you're in a shittowns like Mt Isa or Roma where the populace is largely miners, but any farmer or person with an appreciation for the aesthetic quality of the land despises the mining/CSG industry.

[masonanddixon]

Great. What powers your car? What powers your house?

Australians in general are responsible for the demise of this country dude. Lost generation anyone?

It's about rationalising the resources. Not shit like dumping coal into the Great Barrier Reef or drilling people's property for oil and shit.

I'm looking at it purely from an environmental perspective. We all know Boomers have destroyed every Western nation economically/socially/politically etc.

[Hawker]

Fossil fuels will eventually be superceded. I'll worry about it when the time comes...at the time I got into this industry for the travel, life style and the money. If that makes me a ****, so be it. I'm aware of climate change and fossil fuels play a role but for now I've chosen this path and until I get enough savings to change, I can't. I have other interests that probably make me a bit more satisfied.

But you're grossly overexaggerating things here. Congrats on being more important and making more money than me. You sound like a **** yourself.

[Hawker]

It's pretty obviious that fracking destroys groundwater permanently. There's a shitload of evidence and documentaries on it in America and in Darling Downs as well. Only mining cronies would suggest otherwise.

Maybe it's because you're in a shittowns like Mt Isa or Roma where the populace is largely miners, but any farmer or person with an appreciation for the aesthetic quality of the land despises the mining/CSG industry.

Documentaries not based on anything scientific. You serious with that BS? That shit has been disproven time and time again. Take a geology course.

[masonanddixon]

Fossil fuels will eventually be superceded. I'll worry about it when the time comes...at the time I got into this industry for the travel, life style and the money. If that makes me a ****, so be it. I'm aware of climate change and fossil fuels play a role but for now I've chosen this path and until I get enough savings to change, I can't. I have other interests that probably make me a bit more satisfied.

But you're grossly overexaggerating things here. Congrats on being more important and making more money than me. You sound like a **** yourself.

Well if you can live with yourself morally with what you do for a living, that's your prerogative. Especially as a foreigner doing it to another country. Every time I see a photo of some mining industry sack of shit stealing Aboriginal land to drill in the Kimberleys it makes me absolutely incensed. I simply cannot respect anyone who works in coal seam gas after what I have seen it do to the land. I think you people should be made to all spend a week in a farmer or property owner's home that just got drilled.

As for myself, I'm a doctor so I only do good for society.

[masonanddixon]

Documentaries not based on anything scientific. You serious with that BS? That shit has been disproven time and time again. Take a geology course.

Do you not think injecting large quantities of benzene into groundwater has no effect of the purity of the substance?

[Hawker]

It's about rationalising the resources. Not shit like dumping coal into the Great Barrier Reef or drilling people's property for oil and shit.

I'm looking at it purely from an environmental perspective. We all know Boomers have destroyed every Western nation economically/socially/politically etc.

That's fair. And I agree with you on the boomers and the great barrier reef. I'm not sure if Australia has a choice when it comes to local resources. Can they get their shit together in time to have renewables so you don't need CSG?

Australians have more rights when it comes to property. We've been shut down before by property owners and local towns whereas that would've never happened in the US.

And Australia was probably pretty fuggin' beautiful before Captain Cook showed up.

[Hawker]

Do you not think injecting large quantities of benzene into groundwater has no effect of the purity of the substance?

Ever heard of BTEX free? You do realize you can look up every fracing chemical on the queensland government website?

And benzene isn't injected into groundwater. You're highly uneducated about the subject.

[masonanddixon]

Ever heard of BTEX free? You do realize you can look up every fracing chemical on the queensland government website?

And benzene isn't injected into groundwater. You're highly uneducated about the subject.

Thats a scam perpetuated by enormous mining companies influencing and forcing the govts hand. Just like the bullshit they are pulling with Darren Lockyear. I mean you said yourself that property owners and towns have blocked you--why else would they do that if CSG was such a positive force for society?

[Hawker]

Well if you can live with yourself morally with what you do for a living, that's your prerogative. Especially as a foreigner doing it to another country. Every time I see a photo of some mining industry sack of shit stealing Aboriginal land to drill in the Kimberleys it makes me absolutely incensed. I simply cannot respect anyone who works in coal seam gas after what I have seen it do to the land. I think you people should be made to all spend a week in a farmer or property owner's home that just got drilled.

As for myself, I'm a doctor so I only do good for society.

So again, like, I should feel guilty yet you shouldn't for coming to this country? Aboriginals never lived on the land in brisbane or melbourne or sydney?

You only do good for society eh? Well apparently not if you're using fossil fuels to power your car and home.

[masonanddixon]

So again, like, I should feel guilty yet you shouldn't for coming to this country? Aboriginals never lived on the land in brisbane or melbourne or sydney?

You only do good for society eh? Well apparently not if you're using fossil fuels to power your car and home.

No but the fact you're part of an industry thats actively seeking out and stealing Aboriginal land today in 2015 (not in 1779) when their entire way of life is already mostly destroyed is pretty much unforgivable. Just look at what they are doing in the Kimberleys. There's just no defense for those actions.

I think you're a nice guy who means well and all but I just detest the mining/CSG industry and I think the govt needs to nationalise it and drastically lower the wages.

[Hawker]

Thats a scam perpetuated by enormous mining companies influencing and forcing the govts hand. Just like the bullshit they are pulling with Darren Lockyear. I mean you said yourself that property owners and towns have blocked you--why else would they do that if CSG was such a positive force for society?

Uh yeah, when the roads were wet. We were allowed in a day later. They've negotiated with land owners and had to get a signed agreement to do work. Contractors have been kicked off by the operators for not obeying landowner policies etc.

You sound very brash and quick to believe zero evidence based premises. Where did the ming companies hurt you?

Don't you think we don't know that the whole Darren Lockyear thing is BS? You seriously think we're all just some rah-rah cheerleaders for the O&G business? Come on man. We're just working and trying to get on in the world like everyone else.

And it's not a scam. Have you even looked into it?

[masonanddixon]

Uh yeah, when the roads were wet. We were allowed in a day later. They've negotiated with land owners and had to get a signed agreement to do work. Contractors have been kicked off by the operators for not obeying landowner policies etc.

You sound very brash and quick to believe zero evidence based premises. Where did the ming companies hurt you?

Don't you think we don't know that the whole Darren Lockyear thing is BS? You seriously think we're all just some rah-rah cheerleaders for the O&G business? Come on man. We're just working and trying to get on in the world like everyone else.

And it's not a scam. Have you even looked into it?


So is this shit like this all based on zero evidence?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/West_Virginia_and_fracking

There's very real evidence that fracking permanently destroys the ecosystem.

I'm sure you're trying to get on in the world, but there's better ways to go about it.

Drug dealers and prostitutes also try to get along in the world...difference is they don't harm the environment in the process...

[Hawker]

No but the fact you're part of an industry thats actively seeking out and stealing Aboriginal land today in 2015 (not in 1779) when their entire way of life is already mostly destroyed is pretty much unforgivable. Just look at what they are doing in the Kimberleys. There's just no defense for those actions.

I think you're a nice guy who means well and all but I just detest the mining/CSG industry and I think the govt needs to nationalise it and drastically lower the wages.

Nationalising it in 2015 doesn't make sense and CSG =/= mining. Nationalising it means going back in time. Mexico used to be nationalised and it no longer is. Venezuela has nationalised and it's just a pile of shit environmentally.

Nobody will want to work in the industry. You'll lose all your experienced people because they are smart and they can go work in another industry. Operations will be more unsafe in the industry because of it. Or they can **** off overseas. I'm sure that's what you want but we're all just regular people trying to work a job, support a family, live a life. Just like you.

[masonanddixon]

Nationalising it in 2015 doesn't make sense and CSG =/= mining. Nationalising it means going back in time. Mexico used to be nationalised and it no longer is. Venezuela has nationalised and it's just a pile of shit environmentally.

Nobody will want to work in the industry. You'll lose all your experienced people because they are smart and they can go work in another industry. Operations will be more unsafe in the industry because of it. Or they can **** off overseas. I'm sure that's what you want but we're all just regular people trying to work a job, support a family, live a life. Just like you.

No, you need more competition and since wages won't be higher elsewhere they will be working here for the wages they deserve. Much like in just about any other industry in the country. Absolutely no reason why someone in CSG should make a dime over 40k a year. It's only because of the current government in place and lack of regulation that these workers are making such an inflated salary.

[Hawker]

So is this shit like this all based on zero evidence?

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/West_Virginia_and_fracking

There's very real evidence that fracking permanently destroys the ecosystem.

I'm sure you're trying to get on in the world, but there's better ways to go about it.

Drug dealers and prostitutes also try to get along in the world...difference is they don't harm the environment in the process...

That isn't from fracking. That is from poor well integrity and poor waste management.

[Hawker]

No, you need more competition and since wages won't be higher elsewhere they will be working here for the wages they deserve. Much like in just about any other industry in the country. Absolutely no reason why someone in CSG should make a dime over 40k a year. It's only because of the current government in place and lack of regulation that these workers are making such an inflated salary.

Australia is the most regulated CSG industry in the world dude. Wages will be higher elsewhere. Middle East pays handsomely.

Not sure why you think nobody should be making over 40k. You really don't have any basis for that. Why should doctors make so much? I was making over 40k before Abbott bro.

Teachers should be making more than doctors if you want to base it how "important" they are.

[Hawker]

Here's the EPA study about fracking and the impact on drinking water in the USA:

http://www2.epa.gov/sites/production/files/2015-06/documents/hf_es_erd_jun2015.pdf

Obama is the president so no excuses.

[poido123]

:biggums:
Govt makes nothing off of healthcare, though. The whole point of Queensland Health and 'public health awareness' campaigns and the like is for the government to save money, not because it actually gives a shit about anyone's health. When you see the current liver awarneess ads on TV, it's all because the govt doesnt want people coming into the Hepatic clinic, not because it gives a shit about your health. Queensland Health has been cutting down and shutting down a shitload of services, most prominently mental health services.

Queensland Health wants nothing more than for physicians to not treat any patients or to withhold or not proceed with any costly treatments or procedures; in fact QHealth will actually go after your license if you continue to pursue life saving but expensive treatments.

I think anyone who can afford private should go private anyways. You don't really want junior doctors in understaffed hospitals operating on you.


I should of been more specific.

I was talking about government consistent tax raising on smoking and alcohol, not health care.

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=poido123]Here's a breakdown:

The following rates for 2015

[poido123]

Dem aborigines livin on welfare n blows it all druggin in the park hippie style.


The indigenous have excuses/reasons for welfare and the white man created havoc by settling in australia and ultimately displacing the indigenous people.

My issue is with funding foreign "refugees" who are predominantly men and country hopping into welfare havens.

ISIS Trojan horse in full effect

[iamgine]

The indigenous have excuses/reasons for welfare and the white man created havoc by settling in australia and ultimately displacing the indigenous people.

My issue is with funding foreign "refugees" who are predominantly men and country hopping into welfare havens.

ISIS Trojan horse in full effect
You know...history tends to repeat itself.

[GimmeThat]

no citizens ought to truly be considered with the cost of participating in the worldly event. but to be considered with the true cost of pride, and not dignity nor integrity. as turning stones, is not a singularity event, but an event, that speculates not the welfare, nor the happiness between one to another, but the spirit, one has left with, in the glory of the fellow kind.

to be prideful, is not to be considered as being spirited

to be taxed, is not to be considered to be responsible for the state of the governed body.


it isn't so much that fair taxes one ought to seek, but the degrees of enhancement of the taxed money to be comparable to the level of bureaucracy.




I have spoken too much.