interesting question

[swagga]

Who would you take?

lebron with jordan's instincts and aggression
OR
lebron with kobe's shooting

[sd3035]

Who would you take?

lebron with jordan's instincts and aggression
OR
lebron with kobe's shooting


Does the first one also include not flopping, and no beta statpadding behavior?

[Gileraracer]

If yes, then 1

[Dbrog]

Easily option A. That version of Bron would be unstoppable (more than he already was). Kobe was very streaky. It would only help him sometimes. Now if you say Ray Allen or Steph Curry, it may be different.

[swagga]

Does the first one also include not flopping, and no beta statpadding behavior?

just like jordan, no beta, no flopping.

[Kobe_6/8]

Who would you take?

lebron with jordan's instincts and aggression
OR
lebron with kobe's shooting

#1. LeBron needs more aggression...Jordan hated to lose, LeBron can be beta and uncaring about it.

[plowking]

Where does this notion that Lebron isn't aggressive or assertive enough come from?

From all the talk in the team USA camps, all the way from 2008 to now, you hear guys say that he is the vocal leader of the team, the loudest guy on the court, the one that demands the players to be better. Then you hear him when he is mic'd up during the games and it is the same thing.

Bron is fine the way he is as a player. One of the 5 best to ever step on the court at the very worst.

[RidonKs]

lebron with mike's instinct? he's still lacks the cat quick reflexes to maximize that capacity
lebron with kobe's jumpshot? fuhgeddaboudit



bryants jumper would presumably make lebron the goat.

35/10/8 in his prime

seven championships

dragging big z to one finals after the next

delonte and mo racking up mvp trophies

[ClipperRevival]

Kobe's shooting is overrated. Bron actually has a higher career 3 pt FG% than Kobe (.342 vs .334). Of course when Kobe got hot, he could hit 8 of 10 but Kobe's shot wasn't consistent either.

Give Bron MJ's aggression and killer instinct and he might go down as the GOAT right there with MJ. I will never forget his 2011 Finals. Never seen a superstar shy away from the moment that clearly. He didn't want nothing to do with the outcome of the game.

[plowking]

lebron with mike's instinct? he's still lacks the cat quick reflexes to maximize that capacity
lebron with kobe's jumpshot? fuhgeddaboudit



bryants jumper would presumably make lebron the goat.

35/10/8 in his prime

seven championships

dragging big z to one finals after the next

delonte and mo racking up mvp trophies

Bron already shoots better on 3's, and since his MVP season, where he clearly took a turn in the shooting department and really worked on it, the only edge Kobe has had is in the 10-16 feet range.

Even if you take their shooting statistics from ages 24-30 (Bron from first MVP to now), they match up pretty well.

3-10 feet: Bron - 48.4%, Kobe - 45.0%
10-16 feet: Bron - 40.2%, Kobe - 42.3%
16-23 feet: Bron - 40.5%, Kobe - 40.9%

Even if you do it, from 09 to now for Kobe, the only thing that changes is that he got significantly better from 10-16 feet. Everywhere else on the court they are equal. Born slightly better from 10 feet in, and Kobe slightly better from 16-23, while being the better 3 point shooter.

[RidonKs]

kobe's shot selection is always the preferred target for his haters

but it's that same shot selection that makes you believe he is "streaky"

perhaps kobe is streakier than some, but he is not jr smith or eddie house where he has to shoot himself into a rhythm. mostly he'll clank a few off the iron when he can't find an easier shot. whether thats because he's selfish or stupid is irrelevant.

that same jumpshot in lebron's body, lebron james and his massive torso, lebron who scopes the floor and whips passes like magic, lebron james who will always turn down his own shot for a better one from his teammates?

hell not to mention just the strength lebron has. do you know how much energy it takes to muscle up 20 fadeaway jumpers over tough defense? that extra upper body strength would be a godsend for kobe's style of jump shot

[plowking]

Give Bron MJ's aggression and killer instinct and he might go down as the GOAT right there with MJ. I will never forget his 2011 Finals. Never seen a superstar shy away from the moment that clearly. He didn't want nothing to do with the outcome of the game.

So why all of a sudden did he want something to do with it the very next year? What made 2011 special?

[ClipperRevival]

So why all of a sudden did he want something to do with it the very next year? What made 2011 special?

The criticism from the world made him determined. Players go through stages. Some are alpha dogs from the get go while others need to choke before they are determined never to repeat that.

[plowking]

The criticism from the world made him determined. Players go through stages. Some are alpha dogs from the get go while others need to choke before they are determined never to repeat that.

That is such a simplistic way of looking at it.

I was as frustrated as anyone watching those finals, being a Heat fan, since I thought we were a lock (funnily enough thought we would lose the OKC series, and Spurs series in 2013). Just looked liked the dude checked into a certain way of playing the game based on what he was told and never got out of it or responded quick enough to what was happening.

Has nothing to do with being a bitch, or not being alpha enough.

[robby712]

Actually, give Lebron at least one year in college under Dean Smith and he would have been closer to maximizing his true potential. He obviously wanted to win, but his personality was too friendly. He won everything in highschool so easy that he didn't create his "I have to work on my game, to add stuff so I can beat the other guy" type of mentality. He just played based on athleticism alone.
Also, the fact that he was so hyped as an 18 year old worked against him, because it created the "I am already a great player" state of mind. And he didn't have a father figure to instruct him and to shelter him. To teach him that he has to work hard (I am not saying he didn't train) and how to behave himself.
A year in college would have worked great on his fundamentals, his footwork and shooting maybe. All while entering in the NBA as a more mature player. The fact that he played for Cleveland hurt him also I believe, and not only because it was a poor run organisation, without a great coach and stuff. I'm referring to the fact that he was to close to home, surrounded by people that never judged him and never pushed him. He was a God in Cleveland but that didn't help his Career.
You could see the change when he came to Miami, more after the 2011 Finals when it was the first time he was really judged. The Miami organisation isn't Cleveland's , especially with Pat Riley there. That summer was the first time you could see him determined to be the best, the first time he added something major to his game, a post-game. He was ready to battle it out and you could see the improvement in the Finals against the Thunder.

[ClipperRevival]

That is such a simplistic way of looking at it.

I was as frustrated as anyone watching those finals, being a Heat fan, since I thought we were a lock (funnily enough thought we would lose the OKC series, and Spurs series in 2013). Just looked liked the dude checked into a certain way of playing the game based on what he was told and never got out of it or responded quick enough to what was happening.

Has nothing to do with being a bitch, or not being alpha enough.

As the leader of your team, it's your job to make things happen when the offense is stagnant. Either take over offensively or create shots for others. That's why they pay you the big bucks. Like I said, I've never seen a superstar shy away from the moment like Bron in 2011. Most people view it this way also. He choked. Not by shooting his team out of it like Kobe in 2004, but the opposite effect of not even trying to do anything. The optimal situation is finding the right balance between scoring and getting others involved.

But you are a Bron fan and if you disagree with what I said, fine.