Abortion is literally the killing of an unborn human!

[Patrick Chewing]

A few weeks back I asked why Democrats supported abortion and the best answer they had was that the baby is literally a "parasite still attached to its host". And that the host could do whatever it wanted with its parasite.

When I read that, I immediately Google-ed up the terms "parasite" and "host" and came up with pictures of these:

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/57/111957-004-324F868A.gif

http://images.tutorvista.com/content/organisms-environment/parasitic-adaptations-model.jpeg

After doing some more research, I discovered that the unborn fetus or baby if you want to call it that too, has a heartbeat and has blood running through its veins! I mean, woah! It's a living human being in there just waiting for the right time to pushed out the v@ginal canal (which is considered birth). The bigger surprise to me was that I was just like that too! I was once inside my mother and had my own heartbeat and had blood flowing through my veins and my mother decided not to kill me. I literally had tears upon tears running down my face last night when I realized I was once an unborn fetus/baby.

So how come we can send someone to jail for shooting and killing someone, but we cannot send someone to jail for killing a living, breathing human??

How is that possible?


Remember, God is good!

[TripleA]

Im pretty sure their are a lot of democrats who are anti abortion. Their are a lot of catholics who are not republican. The agnostic or atheist ones on the other hand.

[Patrick Chewing]

Im pretty sure their are a lot of democrats who are anti abortion. Their are a lot of catholics who are not republican. The agnostic or atheist ones on the other hand.

I think Democrats and Republicans who are against abortion need to unite and perhaps we can finally have some common ground on an issue so pressing as the flat out killing of an unborn human.

While you are correct that there are a lot of Democrats who are anti-abortion, these Democrats though are always silent on the matter. This is why the Democrats that dominate the airwaves are painting a narrative that the Left is pro-abortion and also anti-Christian.

What perplexes me is that if you unite the anti-abortion Left with the anti-abortion Right, they'd trump pro-abortionists 2 to 1 if not much higher.

If the majority of the country is against abortion and the country is run by a two-party system, then how the hell are people still killing unborn babies on an insane level??

[TripleA]

I think Democrats and Republicans who are against abortion need to unite and perhaps we can finally have some common ground on an issue so pressing as the flat out killing of an unborn human.

While you are correct that there are a lot of Democrats who are anti-abortion, these Democrats though are always silent on the matter. This is why the Democrats that dominate the airwaves are painting a narrative that the Left is pro-abortion and also anti-Christian.

What perplexes me is that if you unite the anti-abortion Left with the anti-abortion Right, they'd trump pro-abortionists 2 to 1 if not much higher.

If the majority of the country is against abortion and the country is run by a two-party system, then how the hell are people still killing unborn babies on an insane level??

Do you think the government giving free birth control would stop abortions acceptance.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I get why people have issues with abortion (it's certainly a more complex issue than same-sex marriage) but ultimately a woman should have the right to choose.

Why would you want to force women to have children they don't want anyway? We have enough unloved children in this world as is.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you think the government giving free birth control would stop abortions acceptance.


It's certainly a start.

[Patrick Chewing]

I get why people have issues with abortion (it's certainly a more complex issue than same-sex marriage) but ultimately a woman should have the right to choose.

Why would you want to force women to have children they don't want anyway? We have enough unloved children in this world as is.


Women should be more responsible. And it's not only a woman's choice if the male figure is in the picture. What if he wants the child? This is such a mess of epic proportions.

[Reef]

If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, you believe she shouldn't have the choice to have an abortion?

[longhornfan1234]

The arguments for and against abortion are both equally sound. It all depends which moral or ethic you hold more dear... the personal sovereignty over one's own body or the non aggression against other human beings.

[Patrick Chewing]

If a woman is raped and becomes pregnant, you believe she shouldn't have the choice to have an abortion?


And what would be her reason for not going through childbirth and just giving the baby up for adoption?

I can certainly see some exceptions being a middle ground approach between both positions, but these abortions just for the hell of having an abortion (which is the majority of abortions) needs to stop.

[RidonKs]

what does abortion have to do with the democratic party again?

imo it has a lot more to do with women than it does democrats

maybe we should ask them what they think...

[StusOneGoodEye]

http://allthingsd.com/files/2012/02/YOU_DONT_SAY.png

[DonDadda59]

So is m@sturbation. Technically that's genocide.


And what would be her reason for not going through childbirth and just giving the baby up for adoption?

:biggums:

So Women should be forced to carry a rapist's baby for 9 months? What if she is in the middle of getting her master's degree, or is a working professional who never planned on taking maternity leave... or she just plain never wanted to have a f*cking baby in the first place, let alone a rapist's baby?

Easily the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I've heard in a very long time.

[Hawker]

So is m@sturbation. Technically that's genocide.



:biggums:

So Women should be forced to carry a rapist's baby for 9 months? What if she is in the middle of getting her master's degree, or is a working professional who never planned on taking maternity leave... or she just plain never wanted to have a f*cking baby in the first place, let alone a rapist's baby?

Easily the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I've heard in a very long time.

Pretty piss poor reason in my opinion if not a rapist baby. That's ****ing life.

When you *********e onto your stomach, is it meeting any eggs?

[KingBeasley08]

If you don't an abortion, don't get one

[outbreak]

And what would be her reason for not going through childbirth and just giving the baby up for adoption?

I can certainly see some exceptions being a middle ground approach between both positions, but these abortions just for the hell of having an abortion (which is the majority of abortions) needs to stop.
You do realise that pregnancy can be dangerous don't you. People still die in child birth or end up with health problems as a result.

[Akrazotile]

I don't like the idea of abortion - it's a very sad and unfortunate process for all involved. However I've never been in a situation where it is an option to consider, and if I were I can't say I would automatically rule it out.

But at the end of the day, people are GOING to have abortions whether it's legal or not. It's just not realistic to stop them. Do we want to start jailing pregnant women because they sought out an abortion? Do we want to start wasting the time of doctors (and thus increasing healthcare costs) sending in undercover operatives posing as pregnant women trying to catch them agreeing to an abortion?

It's just not feasible. I mean, hate abortion all you want. Think poorly of people who elect to have them all you want. Champion the merits of delivering a child that's been conceived, and do anything you please in terms of speaking out and shaping public opinion in favor of choosing life. Encourage people to WANT to have their babies.

But criminalizing the act of abortion? Ugh. It's not feasible. Sure, in small rural towns it may be. But some broad, sweeping legislation that encompasses highly populous areas? It's too much. It's too much hassle, and it just isn't worth it. If you're an atheist, there's no real reason to have any attachment to someone elses unborn baby. If you believe in God, let him sort out who's sinned and who hasn't when the time comes.

[DonDadda59]

Pretty piss poor reason in my opinion if not a rapist baby. That's ****ing life.

When you *********e onto your stomach, is it meeting any eggs?

Sperm cells are living beings, just humans in an earlier stage of development. If you kill a tadpole... aren't you basically just killing a frog/toad? :confusedshrug:

The OP uses his outdated millenias-old religion for his misguided 'reasoning' but did not the LORD smote Onan for spilling his seed upon the Earth? :confusedshrug:

M@asturbation = murder, the killing of many unborn humans. Pure maniacal genocide. An affront and abomination in the eyes of the LORD.

[Akrazotile]

I will say this though. We should stop giving financial incentives to women to for having kids (handouts), and invest in a free tube-tying program for all women that want them. Because women - especially low class women - are gonna keep having unprotected sex no matter what. And if they get pregnant they often keep the thing just to get another tax credit. We gotta stop Brenda from havin babies. So to avoid the need for an abortion, and to avoid giving her handouts for a kid she's not gonna raise properly anyone, and to save ourselves the cost of incarcerating that kid 20 years from now, let's ENCOURAGE skeezy bitches to get their tubes tied. Take away the handouts, offer the hysterectomy for free.

[Akrazotile]

Sperm cells are living beings, just humans in an earlier stage of development. If you kill a tadpole... aren't you basically just killing a frog/toad? :confusedshrug:

The OP uses his outdated millenias-old religion for his misguided 'reasoning' but did not the LORD smote Onan for spilling his seed upon the Earth? :confusedshrug:

M@asturbation = murder, the killing of many unborn humans. Pure maniacal genocide. An affront and abomination in the eyes of the LORD.


Yeah but sperm cells aren't human. A human by definition has to come from a merged combination of a sperm and an egg. A sperm doesn't grow into a human ever, unlike an embryo, or a tadpole into a frog. It's like havin two slices of bread and saying it's a pp&j sandwich. It aint a sandwich until it's a sandwich!

A sperm is just potential. And potential gets coaches fired.

[DonDadda59]

Yeah but sperm cells aren't human. A human by definition has to come from a merged combination of a sperm and an egg. A sperm doesn't grow into a human ever, unlike an embryo, or a tadpole into a frog. It's like havin two slices of bread and saying it's a pp&j sandwich. It aint a sandwich until it's a sandwich!

A sperm is just potential. And potential gets coaches fired.

Says who? :coleman:

[Akrazotile]

Says who? :coleman:


err... medical science?

Humans are a series of chromosomes. Prior to conception, sperm do not contain the necessary DNA to ever grow into a human. Nor do unfertilized eggs.

Embryos do. Ergo, embryos are the beginning of humans.

Where was you in health class?? :biggums:

[DonDadda59]

err... medical science?

Humans are a series of chromosomes. Prior to conception, sperm do not contain the necessary DNA to ever grow into a human. Nor do unfertilized eggs.

Embryos do. Ergo, embryos are the beginning of humans.

Where was you in health class?? :biggums:

Because heathens like you and Onan spill your seed upon the ground (or tissue... sock if you're adventurous) thus never giving them a chance to become one of the LORD's miracles.

For shame.

[Akrazotile]

Because heathens like you and Onan spill your seed upon the ground (or tissue... sock if you're adventurous) thus never giving them a chance to become one of the LORD's miracles.

For shame.

:biggums:

[Patrick Chewing]

Says who? :coleman:


You're getting ridiculous. Science says a human is created with X and Y chromosomes which can only be created during conception between a man and a woman.

[Patrick Chewing]

And who is this Onan guy? Is he Muslim??

[DonDadda59]

:biggums:


"But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground to keep from providing offspring for his brother. What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death also."

Genesis 39: 9-10

The LORD cares not for "Science's" definition of conception. If thou spilleth thy seed upon the ground, thou art committing an affront to the LORD.

Couldn't be any more clear.

[KingBeasley08]

I actually don't agree with Dada right now but I gotta respect his knowledge of the Bible and other religions. Can't knock the hustle :applause:

[Akrazotile]

But Onan knew that the child would not be his; so whenever he slept with his brother's wife, he spilled his semen on the ground "to keep from providing offspring for his brother." What he did was wicked in the LORD's sight; so the LORD put him to death also.

Genesis 39: 9-10

The LORD cares not for "Science's" definition of conception. If thou spilleth thy seed upon the ground, thou art committing an affront to the LORD.

Couldn't be any more clear.


Well actually I would submit that it could be clearer, because I would interpret the underlined as meaning the part in quotations is the wicked act. He denied his brother a child out of spite.

Is there anywhere else where seed spilling it explicitly on the no-no list? Because that passage clearly is not definitive.

[longhornfan1234]

DonDadda is an idiot. Life begins at conception... after that point we are just determining/negotiating what our own emotional and societal sensibilities will allow us to end that life.

I personally think abortion is a necessary evil for society... so I obviously don't believe that people should be arrested for abortions or the morning after pill... but that doesn't make what they do any less of a murder.

[DonDadda59]

DonDadda is an idiot. Life begins at conception...

Prove it.

[NumberSix]

what does abortion have to do with the democratic party again?

imo it has a lot more to do with women than it does democrats

maybe we should ask them what they think...
Or maybe, instead of asking random women that may or may not have any clue, we should ask medical experts. :hammerhead:

I'm not an extremist on this issue, but at the very least, there should be a line drawn between terminating a pregnancy and killing a fetus.

When we are talking about something like a 7 month old fetus, that is something that has reached a point in development that if you remove it from the womb, it will still survive and grow up like everybody else. If we are just talking about "ending the pregnancy", you're still left with a living child.

If the right for a woman to "choose what to do with her own body" is the HONEST argument, then that's where to conversation should end. The woman has been able to choose not to be pregnant anymore and the baby is born premature, but still alive and will grow up like an other person.....

But that is NOT the honest argument. The people who make the "woman's body" argument are NOT being truthful. They don't simply want a woman to have right to control her own body. It doesn't end there. They also want the "right" to kill that baby.

For those of you that don't know what a partial birth abortion is, it's for these kind of situations. It's for these fully developed babies where the "doctor" pulls the baby out by the feet until the entire baby has been pulled out of the mother.... except for the head. The "doctor" then stabs the baby in the back of the neck to kill it. The head is then pulled out. A perfectly intact normal human, other than a fatal stab wound in the neck.

Anyone in favor of this, please spare us from your dishonest "ending the pregnancy" or "woman's body" arguments. Both of those rights are completely intact without stabbing a baby in the neck. You're simply arguing for the "right" to murder that baby.

[iamgine]

So how come we can send someone to jail for shooting and killing someone, but we cannot send someone to jail for killing a living, breathing human??

How is that possible?

It's technically human but it's not considered the same human as a born person.

Just like we don't really consider an egg as a chicken now do we?

[Patrick Chewing]

It's technically human but it's not considered the same human as a born person.

Just like we don't really consider an egg as a chicken now do we?


Is there not a chicken in the egg though? We're literally classifying a human a human until they've been pushed out the v@ginal canal or removed by C-section. I mean we clearly know that the baby's heart starts beating well before they've been born. We clearly know there is brain activity and blood flowing through veins. But all of that doesn't count until the mother spreads her legs open and pushes real hard? C'mon now.

And who are these people that make up the rules of when a human is a human? Who are these Gods?

[SugarHill]

why do people use the rapist baby thing? the baby from the rapist is still a baby who has nothing to do with the rapist. you're still killing a human or w/e it is you want to believe. Like how can you be like "abortion is wrong unless it's a rapist's seed?" Either abortion is "wrong" or it's not.

[GimmeThat]

and are there any current existing law where it is required for people to apply for a license application in order to create life?



unless you are a strong believer of undocumented children, all while automatically presume that they are not allowed to be terminated wherever they go. even while their creators have no parental obligations to them nor the society.

now all you need to do is tell under developed countries that they are not allowed to write.



If you were to ask me why I were to have any children, I would probably tell you that the differences between salvation and sorrow isn't minimal, but more so about never having chance revealed.


responsibility, luck, and burden

[rufuspaul]

I think there's no question that a fetus is a live human being. The question is does the fetus have any rights, or who's rights does the constitution protect, the fetus or the woman carrying it? As it stands now in this country a person doesn't have any constitutional rights until birth.

[iamgine]

Is there not a chicken in the egg though? We're literally classifying a human a human until they've been pushed out the v@ginal canal or removed by C-section. I mean we clearly know that the baby's heart starts beating well before they've been born. We clearly know there is brain activity and blood flowing through veins. But all of that doesn't count until the mother spreads her legs open and pushes real hard? C'mon now.

And who are these people that make up the rules of when a human is a human? Who are these Gods?
As I said, it's technically human, but not the same human.

Think about a brain dead person in a coma with no hope of recovery, is he still technically human? Yes. Is it legal to 'terminate' him? Also yes.

[~primetime~]

There isn't nearly enough abortion in this world as far as I am concerned.

The world is over populated and full of horrid parents. Furthermore teen pregnancy is the single biggest facet holding down some communities. If these girls don't want a fcking baby then we would ALL be better off without it existing. And let's be real, the fetus doesn't care.

[DeuceWallaces]

So is m@sturbation. Technically that's genocide.



:biggums:

So Women should be forced to carry a rapist's baby for 9 months? What if she is in the middle of getting her master's degree, or is a working professional who never planned on taking maternity leave... or she just plain never wanted to have a f*cking baby in the first place, let alone a rapist's baby?

Easily the most ridiculous and idiotic thing I've heard in a very long time.

You have to understand where Chewing is coming from. I mean, he's only here because his mother was forced to carry a child of rape to term.

[KyrieTheFuture]

And what would be her reason for not going through childbirth and just giving the baby up for adoption?

I can certainly see some exceptions being a middle ground approach between both positions, but these abortions just for the hell of having an abortion (which is the majority of abortions) needs to stop.
Idk, perhaps preventing the 9 months of physical and mental torture, and make sure her body isn't permanently scarred just because some assholes decided "she should have been more responsible"

[KyrieTheFuture]

Well actually I would submit that it could be clearer, because I would interpret the underlined as meaning the part in quotations is the wicked act. He denied his brother a child out of spite.

Is there anywhere else where seed spilling it explicitly on the no-no list? Because that passage clearly is not definitive.
Oh something in the bible isn't clearly definitive? What a ****ing surprise!

[WayOfWade]

People should probably just stop being sluts and putting themselves into these situations. As for the matter at hand, abortion should be allowed under certain circumstances, such as rape and if the baby puts the life of the mom into peril. However as for the girls who got knocked up and want an abortion just because, it really isn't their decision anymore. They chose to have sex, therefore they must live with the consequences, who are they to play God? Live up to your mistakes and learn by them.

[Heavincent]

There isn't nearly enough abortion in this world as far as I am concerned.

The world is over populated and full of horrid parents. Furthermore teen pregnancy is the single biggest facet holding down some communities. If these girls don't want a fcking baby then we would ALL be better off without it existing. And let's be real, the fetus doesn't care.

This is my stance. It sounds cruel and cold to say, but abortion is probably good for the world in the grand scheme of things.

[MMM]

If you feel abortion is an issues that why not focus on the root causes of unwanted pregnancies. i feel pro life and pro choice can find ground in stopping situations where abortions become necessary in the first place.

[UK2K]

It's technically human but it's not considered the same human as a born person.

Just like we don't really consider an egg as a chicken now do we?

Vegetarians do.

[UK2K]

People should probably just stop being sluts and putting themselves into these situations. As for the matter at hand, abortion should be allowed under certain circumstances, such as rape and if the baby puts the life of the mom into peril. However as for the girls who got knocked up and want an abortion just because, it really isn't their decision anymore. They chose to have sex, therefore they must live with the consequences, who are they to play God? Live up to your mistakes and learn by them.

Unfortunately, the poor and ignorant (the two kinds of people who should be having less children) don't care.

Amazing, I watched a documentary on life in Africa in a Social Issues class, and this woman was talking about how hard it was to provide for family while living in the slums.

Then it showed she had 9 children. 9. Are you stupid? Did you not think when it was hard to provide for 4 children that you should stop? Better question, if your life sucks so much ass, why would you want to bring a child into the world to go through the same thing?

Cause you're ignorant. And you can't help yourself but to ****.

[NumberSix]

If you feel abortion is an issues that why not focus on the root causes of unwanted pregnancies. i feel pro life and pro choice can find ground in stopping situations where abortions become necessary in the first place.
Like what? Forcing people to not have sex?

People have the freedom to make their own decisions. With that includes the freedom to make bad decisions.

I'm all for education, the morning after pill, early abortions. But this is not a "what WE can do" situation. This is simply a matter of what choices individual people make.

[MMM]

Like what? Forcing people to not have sex?

People have the freedom to make their own decisions. With that includes the freedom to make bad decisions.

I'm all for education, the morning after pill, early abortions. But this is not a "what WE can do" situation. This is simply a matter of what choices individual people make.

:biggums:

Really that is your take on preventing those situations. Is abortion even a major modern issue because it seems like teen or unwanted pregnancies are down a considerable amount.

[DeuceWallaces]

Vegetarians do.

No they don't. It's an animal product.

An egg isn't a life, and could never be a chicken. It's an unfertilized and enlarged female gamete.

[UK2K]

No they don't. It's an animal product.

An egg isn't a life, and could never be a chicken. It's an unfertilized and enlarged female gamete.

I should tell my girlfriend DW says she can eat eggs.

Since she is a vegetarian, she'll be pumped to know.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I should tell my girlfriend DW says she can eat eggs.

Since she is a vegetarian, she'll be pumped to know.
She's either vegan or a dumbass vegetarian. Eggs we eat have no way of being a chicken. My roommate aptly calls them chicken periods.

[DeuceWallaces]

I should tell my girlfriend DW says she can eat eggs.

Since she is a vegetarian, she'll be pumped to know.


Apparently she's an idiot.
Vegetarians can eat eggs, butter, cheese, and milk because they are not flesh or by-products of animal slaughter.
Vegans refrain from all animal products including those that do not result in death AND textiles or non consumptive animal products such as leather.
Eggs sold in the store are not fertilized by roosters, contain 0% flesh, and in no way can result in a sentient being.
It takes a real moron to equate non fertilized eggs and abortion. You two dip-shits sound like a match made in heaven.

[NumberSix]

Apparently she's an idiot.
Vegetarians can eat eggs, butter, cheese, and milk because they are not flesh or by-products of animal slaughter.
Vegans refrain from all animal products including those that do not result in death AND textiles or non consumptive animal products such as leather.
Eggs sold in the store are not fertilized by roosters, contain 0% flesh, and in no way can result in a sentient being.
It takes a real moron to equate non fertilized eggs and abortion. You two dip-shits sound like a match made in heaven.

I don't know any vegans, but if they are this extreme about animal life, surely they must all be SUPER anti-abortion.

[DeuceWallaces]

I don't know any vegans, but if they are this extreme about animal life, surely they must all be SUPER anti-abortion.

Unlikely. They still value their own life and jurisdiction over anything attached to them.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I don't know any vegans, but if they are this extreme about animal life, surely they must all be SUPER anti-abortion.
It probably conflicts too much with their feminist ideology.

[iamgine]

No they don't. It's an animal product.

An egg isn't a life, and could never be a chicken. It's an unfertilized and enlarged female gamete.
Regardless of it being fertilized or not, it's still not considered a chicken.

[DeuceWallaces]

Regardless of it being fertilized or not, it's still not considered a chicken.

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?

[Nanners]

i think we should expand abortion. parents should be allowed to abort any child at any time if that child is unable to support itself.

for example, if your child is a parasitic 35 year old failed actor and shoe salesman, a grown adult who is supported entirely on his parents dime and wastes his time posting angry right-wing talking points on a basketball messageboard, the parents should be able to abort that child.

[iamgine]

Who are you talking to and what are you talking about?
Everyone. No one. Someone.

[fsvr54]

i think we should expand abortion. parents should be allowed to abort any child at any time if that child is unable to support itself.

for example, if your child is a parasitic 35 year old failed actor and shoe salesman, a grown adult who is supported entirely on his parents dime and wastes his time posting angry right-wing talking points on a basketball messageboard, the parents should be able to abort that child.

http://www.gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[longhornfan1234]

People should probably just stop being sluts and putting themselves into these situations. As for the matter at hand, abortion should be allowed under certain circumstances, such as rape and if the baby puts the life of the mom into peril. However as for the girls who got knocked up and want an abortion just because, it really isn't their decision anymore. They chose to have sex, therefore they must live with the consequences, who are they to play God? Live up to your mistakes and learn by them.
That argument holds water if your willing to relegate women to second class citizenry. The idea that women lose the right to their own body by taking part of a sexual act is still a violation of their equality and human rights. Women can't have an extraordinary responsibility to another living person that resides in their body simply because they are the sex that bear children without also concluding that women don't hold the same rights over their body as men.

The responsibility argument is fine from a moral or ethical perspective, but when we get into the human rights and body sovereignty issues of women it falls short.

[NumberSix]

That argument holds water if your willing to relegate women to second class citizenry. The idea that women lose the right to their own body by taking part of a sexual act is still a violation of their equality and human rights. Women can't have an extraordinary responsibility to another living person that resides in their body simply because they are the sex that bear children without also concluding that women don't hold the same rights over their body as men.

The responsibility argument is fine from a moral or ethical perspective, but when we get into the human rights and body sovereignty issues of women it falls short.
Ok, but would you agree that when a baby reaches a certain stage of development where after simply removing it from the womb, it will still live... killing that baby should be a murder chage?

If the mother wants to control her own body and doesn't want to be pregnant anymore, ok. But if anyone purposely kills that baby, that's a murder.

Agree?

[KnittingRyu]

A few weeks back I asked why Democrats supported abortion and the best answer they had was that the baby is literally a "parasite still attached to its host". And that the host could do whatever it wanted with its parasite.

When I read that, I immediately Google-ed up the terms "parasite" and "host" and came up with pictures of these:

http://media.web.britannica.com/eb-media/57/111957-004-324F868A.gif

http://images.tutorvista.com/content/organisms-environment/parasitic-adaptations-model.jpeg

After doing some more research, I discovered that the unborn fetus or baby if you want to call it that too, has a heartbeat and has blood running through its veins! I mean, woah! It's a living human being in there just waiting for the right time to pushed out the v@ginal canal (which is considered birth). The bigger surprise to me was that I was just like that too! I was once inside my mother and had my own heartbeat and had blood flowing through my veins and my mother decided not to kill me. I literally had tears upon tears running down my face last night when I realized I was once an unborn fetus/baby.

So how come we can send someone to jail for shooting and killing someone, but we cannot send someone to jail for killing a living, breathing human??

How is that possible?


Remember, God is good!

After doing some more research, I discovered that you are a giant pvssy.

[longhornfan1234]

Ok, but would you agree that when a baby reaches a certain stage of development where after simply removing it from the womb, it will still live... killing that baby should be a murder chage?

If the mother wants to control her own body and doesn't want to be pregnant anymore, ok. But if anyone purposely kills that baby, that's a murder.

Agree?


I'm not necessarily arguing for abortion... I believe it to be murder and that a woman's right to her own personal sovereignty should be trumped by the right to life of an unborn baby.

If the mother wants to control her own body and doesn't want to be pregnant anymore, ok. But if anyone purposely kills that baby, that's a murder.

Murder no matter what. It's necessary evil. A woman's right to her body is violated when she has to carry an unwanted pregnancy. 20 weeks is good compromise. I don't feel comfortable with violating a woman's rights, and forcing her to have unwanted pregnancy. .

[NumberSix]

I'm not necessarily arguing for abortion... I believe it to be murder and that a woman's right to her own personal sovereignty should be trumped by the right to life of an unborn baby.

If the mother wants to control her own body and doesn't want to be pregnant anymore, ok. But if anyone purposely kills that baby, that's a murder.

Murder no matter what. It's necessary evil. A woman's right to her body is violated when she has to carry an unwanted pregnancy. 20 weeks is good compromise. I don't feel comfortable with violating a woman's rights, and forcing her to have unwanted pregnancy. .
Right, but when you take a 7 month fetus out of the mothers body, it's going to live. The mothers choice to not be pregnant has been fulfilled. But that baby is still going to live....... Unless somebody kills it.

Just be honest. We are not simply talking about a woman's choice to be not pregnant. We're talking about a "right" to murder unwanted children.

[longhornfan1234]

Right, but when you take a 7 month fetus out of the mothers body, it's going to live. The mothers choice to not be pregnant has been fulfilled. But that baby is still going to live....... Unless somebody kills it.

Just be honest. We are not simply talking about a woman's choice to be not pregnant. We're talking about a "right" to murder unwanted children.


In order to satisfy the ideal of non aggression... one of two... the woman or the baby... participants in an unwanted pregnancy have to have their personal sovereignty violated. There's no way around this paradox. And yes... we're talking about the right to murder a baby to avoid violating a woman's personal sovereignty.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Ok, but would you agree that when a baby reaches a certain stage of development where after simply removing it from the womb, it will still live... killing that baby should be a murder chage?

If the mother wants to control her own body and doesn't want to be pregnant anymore, ok. But if anyone purposely kills that baby, that's a murder.

Agree?
What if she declares war? Then it's not murder, just collateral damage.

[NumberSix]

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In order to satisfy the ideal of non aggression... one of two... the woman or the baby... participants in an unwanted pregnancy have to have their personal sovereignty violated. There's no way around this paradox. And yes... we're talking about the right to murder a baby to avoid violating a woman's personal sovereignty.
No, they don't as I keep trying to explain to you.

In the case of a fetus that is like 7 months old, you can remove the baby from the mother and then stick it in an incubator. The mother gets to end the pregnancy and the baby isn't killed. There is no good reason to murder that baby.

[Nanners]

if you watch a pregnancy backwards, a woman puts a baby in her ****** and stores it in her uterus for nine months while absorbing its nutrients, then a guy sticks his dick in and sucks out the remains.

[TheMan]

:biggums:

[gigantes]

So how come we can send someone to jail for shooting and killing someone, but we cannot send someone to jail for killing a living, breathing human??

How is that possible?
because your whole argument is based on cherry-picking one fairly extravagant dude's response?


at the same time, if so-called "conservatives" were actually interested in conserving the fragile balance of our planet, pretty much the first thing you collection of goofballs would be for is pro-abortion.

except most of you have a fundamental need to believe selected books of fairy tales, which were themselves highly cherry-picked and manipulated in their content.

science and rationality is the work of the devil, yo! :rockon:

[Patrick Chewing]

because your whole argument is based on cherry-picking one fairly extravagant dude's response?


at the same time, if so-called "conservatives" were actually interested in conserving the fragile balance of our planet, pretty much the first thing you collection of goofballs would be for is pro-abortion.

except most of you have a fundamental need to believe selected books of fairy tales, which were themselves highly cherry-picked and manipulated in their content.

science and rationality is the work of the devil, yo! :rockon:


There you go, attacking religion. So let me ask you, do you have to be a religious person to be anti-abortion? Or are atheists just compassionless human beings?

Because if you want to use SCIENCE as part of your argument, then you should damn well know there is a living human in the womb, yet somehow you deny that this fetus has any rights so long as the mother is still supporting it.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Abortion is the American way. It's saying "I'm not responsible for my actions. I can get out of this and I don't care who I hurt and kill"

People encourage this behavior in America. They make it easily accesable. They pass laws protecting a person's right to fuhck up, and then make another human being pay for it with their life. It doesn't get much lower than that 'murica.

[KyrieTheFuture]

I am pro assisted suicide, child quotas in China, abortion and a (very) revised death penalty system. I don't care. We need less people and there's not a lot of room for unloved children in this world. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You have the option of not pulling the plug and not getting an abortion. Why do you care what the people in the hospital room next to you are choosing? I don't see you lining up to take care of these people. How can you be opposed to free healthcare or welfare, but also force people into situations where that's the only way they would be able to survive.

[Patrick Chewing]

I am pro assisted suicide, child quotas in China, abortion and a (very) revised death penalty system. I don't care. We need less people and there's not a lot of room for unloved children in this world. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You have the option of not pulling the plug and not getting an abortion. Why do you care what the people in the hospital room next to you are choosing? I don't see you lining up to take care of these people. How can you be opposed to free healthcare or welfare, but also force people into situations where that's the only way they would be able to survive.

Doesn't it sound crazy that you can go to jail for life for killing someone outside of the womb, but instead get a paycheck for killing someone inside of the womb?

[SpecialQue]

Who gives a shit? I'm positive you couldn't care less about children.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Who gives a shit? I'm positive you couldn't care less about children.

Who is this "you" that you speak of?

Im positive that there is an overwhelming number of ISH members who genuinely care about children. There is also millions of people who "give a sh1t" when it comes to discussing whether or not it is acceptable for a mother to execute her child. I honestly don't get how people can be so shallow

[KyrieTheFuture]

Doesn't it sound crazy that you can go to jail for life for killing someone outside of the womb, but instead get a paycheck for killing someone inside of the womb?
In a nutshell yes. But I really don't see much of a reason for being against abortion 5 (maybe 6) months and under. The bundle of cells is just a bundle of cells. Idk I've never understand why people think life is sacred, the bugs around you are no less alive than you are. But no one cares if you kill them. I can't remember who (I think its Hobbes) but an interesting view on murder being illegal is that we made that law not because murder is wrong, but because we don't want to get murdered. So we punish the murderers we see as a threat to us, and not the murderers who aren't (soldiers and abortion clinics)

[gigantes]

There you go, attacking religion. So let me ask you, do you have to be a religious person to be anti-abortion? Or are atheists just compassionless human beings?

Because if you want to use SCIENCE as part of your argument, then you should damn well know there is a living human in the womb, yet somehow you deny that this fetus has any rights so long as the mother is still supporting it.
so you need SCIENCE to tell when a lady is pregnant? do tell...

hah, as for "rights"... human rights will never supercede natural law.

but no, i don't see why you would -have- to be a religious extremist to be anti-abortion. obvious there's heavy overlap, but at heart all you need to be is be out of touch and presumptuous.

i don't see any connection between compassion or lack of compassion and being an athiest.

[KyrieTheFuture]

No abortion = more abandoned babies

[sd3035]

And what would be her reason for not going through childbirth and just giving the baby up for adoption?

I can certainly see some exceptions being a middle ground approach between both positions, but these abortions just for the hell of having an abortion (which is the majority of abortions) needs to stop.

You're serious?

:biggums:

:hammerhead:

[MiamiDynasty]

Lets be real.

Who are the people getting the majority of abortions?

It's generally the lowest of society. Teens pregnant..... drug attics....Most of these people are absolutely unfit to be parents. Generally people we don't want reproducing.

[Duderonomy]

I wouldnt put too much thought into appeasing conservates or apply logic to their thinking. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3271/2765653443_5235ec859f_m.jpg

[gigantes]

I wouldnt put too much thought into appeasing conservates or apply logic to their thinking. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3271/2765653443_5235ec859f_m.jpg
haha, not bad.

btw i thought you were a nets fan. you jumped ship there, braw...?

[~primetime~]

We need more abortions, not less. Abortions make the world a better place, end of story. The people that get abortions are people that don't want to be parents. If they don't want to bring a human into this world then I sure as fck don't want them too either.

We need more executions too... No one should ever get a life sentence, they should just be put to death. We don't kill enough people, we waste tons of tax money keeping people alive who don't deserve to be alive.




Life is short, and this planet is small... We need to clean up the crap so that the rest of us can enjoy this short gift of life. Stop fighting to make this place a shit hole please.

[~primetime~]

I am pro assisted suicide, child quotas in China, abortion and a (very) revised death penalty system. I don't care. We need less people and there's not a lot of room for unloved children in this world. Nobody is forcing you to do anything. You have the option of not pulling the plug and not getting an abortion. Why do you care what the people in the hospital room next to you are choosing? I don't see you lining up to take care of these people. How can you be opposed to free healthcare or welfare, but also force people into situations where that's the only way they would be able to survive.
Word

Me and you are on the same page here. Good to see.

[gigantes]

pa-trick-chewing, may i interest you in a rather noble, humanitarian cause--


https://lifesite-cache.s3.amazonaws.com/images/made/images/news/save_the_planet_kill_yourself_500_348_55.jpg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Euthanasia