Can anyone on this site beat JJ Barrea 1on 1?

[JerryWest]

I'm way too short and weak, anyone confident enough to beat this dude?

[plowking]

You know how quick that little f*cker would be?

Be like playing ball against a pitbull. Even Bron couldn't beat him.

[SouBeachTalents]

Idk, dude plays some good defense

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/13/110913023103153352.gif

[Rake2204]

Sometimes the stars align and weird things can happen in one-on-one. But for most on this site, myself included, we're taking that loss 99 times out of 100.

Sidenote, he's not exactly scrawny either, so when plowking mentioned it'd be like playing a pitbull, he probably wasn't too far off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6iTtGdvLls

NBA range, elite speed, strong upper body, elite fundamentals. He'd kind of be a mess to play against. Imagine having to step out 25 feet away from the hoop to guard a guy like that, with all that space on the floor between yourself and the basket for him to operate.

[bigt]

Nobody's beating an NBA pro in a game of 1 on 1. I've got half a foot on him in height and he'd still make me look hopeless

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Dude averaged double figures in the NBA for a few seasons.

So, yeah, I would kick his ass.

[triangleoffense]

Idk, dude plays some good defense

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/13/110913023103153352.gif
Learned the flop game from da bess. Stern had already ruined the league by 2012 :facepalm

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No one here would score a point on him.

[ralph_i_el]

No one on here has half a chance in hell. Who is quick enough to guard him on the perimeter? Even if you are a complete stud athlete, he's going to kill you.

I'm a pretty strong dude and I can usually get the better of my defender when we make contact. I'm 6'0 175. Barea is like 5'7" 185. That's built.

[ClipperRevival]

1 on 1 is different from organized 5 on 5. A lot of times, 1 on 1 comes down to backing the other guy down in the paint and shooting a high pct shot. Someone who has about a foot on him and has pretty good skills can possibly beat him. There is only so much you can do on D if you are the much shorter man being backed down. But other than that, he destroys everyone else.

[dubeta]

Lol I'd dunk on that midget

[Nuff Said]

No one on here has half a chance in hell. Who is quick enough to guard him on the perimeter? Even if you are a complete stud athlete, he's going to kill you.

I'm a pretty strong dude and I can usually get the better of my defender when we make contact. I'm 6'0 175. Barea is like 5'7" 185. That's built.
You're a ****in toothpick.

[Akrazotile]

No one here would score a point on him.


:biggums:


Just because he's more effective than anyone here in 5 on 5 team basketball, doesn't mean he would dominate everyone in 1 on 1.

Barea is listed at 6'0 which means he's about 5'10. Anyone here that's 6'4 or taller with a decent jumper and decent coordination should be able to compete with him. It's not a full court, 5 on 5 game. It's 1 on 1. They're completely different things.

[Akrazotile]

1 on 1 is different from organized 5 on 5. A lot of times, 1 on 1 comes down to backing the other guy down in the paint and shooting a high pct shot. Someone who has about a foot on him and has pretty good skills can possibly beat him. There is only so much you can do on D if you are the much shorter man being backed down. But other than that, he destroys everyone else.


Exactly. And in 1 on 1, a significant height difference means the taller person is going to get the rebound on just about every missed shot.

[ClipperRevival]

Exactly. And in 1 on 1, a significant height difference means the taller person is going to get the rebound on just about every missed shot.

Yeah, a few days ago I went hard with this guy for a few games 1 on 1 and he had like 4 inches in reach on me. Backed me down time and time again and I was pretty much at his mercy down low. Length and height is a huge factor 1 on 1. There is no double you have to worry about. Just back down the smaller guy and shoot over him.

[SyRyanYang]

How many guys here can actually back him down though, let alone make a shot? Dude's built like a bull.

[CarlosBoozer]

I'll whoop his midget ass

[midatlantic09]

You'll never truly appreciate how good NBA players are until you see them play against non-NBA players with 100% effort...

That said, no, no one on this board could beat him 1 on 1 unless he simply decided to be nice and let someone win.

[CarlosBoozer]

You'll never truly appreciate how good NBA players are until you see them play against non-NBA players...

That said, no, no one on this board could beat him 1 on 1 unless he simply decided to be nice and let someone win.
He's kicking ass in FIBA :bowdown:

[Reggie43]

Defenses are designed to stop this dude in international competition yet he scores anyway. Unless you're a borderline nba player he probably beats you everytime.

[oarabbus]

Yeah, a few days ago I went hard with this guy for a few games 1 on 1 and he had like 4 inches in reach on me. Backed me down time and time again and I was pretty much at his mercy down low. Length and height is a huge factor 1 on 1. There is no double you have to worry about. Just back down the smaller guy and shoot over him.


Serious question - have you ever seen JJ Barea defend a bigger player, besides that Bron flop gif?

I'm not saying the best people here wont even score on him. But let's be real. I'm putting $100 on Barea against anyone on this forum easy. I'd do it 100/100 times, and most nights I'd be walking away with 10 grand.

[Akrazotile]

How many guys here can actually back him down though, let alone make a shot? Dude's built like a bull.


If you have a significant height advantage, just back him down as much as you can then turn around and shoot a high arching shot. Either it goes in or youre probably gonna get the rebound. And how is he gonna score on you? Just sag off him and block anything he goes to the basket with. If he tries to shoot over a much taller defender hes bound to miss sometimes, and you can snag those rebounds too.


I understand some people here might not be very athletic so its not hard for them to imagine a smaller person beating them. But anyone with above average athleticism would have to have a hard time imagining someone 7 inches shorter than them beating them in basketball. I know I do.

[Akrazotile]

Defenses are designed to stop this dude in international competition yet he scores anyway. Unless you're a borderline nba player he probably beats you everytime.


In international competition he can pass the ball off if hes about to get rejected.

In one on one you cant do that.

[TripleA]

He literally could just run past you for free layups or open threes. This guy scores agianst 7 footers with 36 inch verticals. austin rivers who is terrible in the nba averaged like 35 points in highschool.

[bigt]

If you have a significant height advantage, just back him down as much as you can then turn around and shoot a high arching shot. Either it goes in or youre probably gonna get the rebound. And how is he gonna score on you? Just sag off him and block anything he goes to the basket with. If he tries to shoot over a much taller defender hes bound to miss sometimes, and you can snag those rebounds too.


I understand some people here might not be very athletic so its not hard for them to imagine a smaller person beating them. But anyone with above average athleticism would have to have a hard time imagining someone 7 inches shorter than them beating them in basketball. I know I do.

It wouldn't be that easy to back him down honestly. He might not be big, but I think he'd have enough strength to make it difficult for the average ISH'er to just 'back him down'. And yeah, you can sag off of him on D, but leave him too open and you're giving practice jumpers to an NBA level player. He's not going to give you many to rebound

[Akrazotile]

It wouldn't be that easy to back him down honestly. He might not be big, but I think he'd have enough strength to make it difficult for the average ISH'er to just 'back him down'. And yeah, you can sag off of him on D, but leave him too open and you're giving practice jumpers to an NBA level player. He's not going to give you many to rebound


That's true, and maybe I'm overestimating the amount of tall, competent ballers on ISH. I'm assuming there have to be some dudes here that actually competed at a decent level of college or semi pro and would just overwhelm jj with size. I mean I know this site has actual pro's that lurk, and I'm sure there are former college players as well, but maybe not among active posters right now :confusedshrug:

[DoctorP]

I would shit on him.

[dunksby]

Learned the flop game from da bess. Stern had already ruined the league by 2012 :facepalm
That's no flop, your weak bitch made ass would go flying out of the ****ing arena if LeBron pushed you away like that.

[Marchesk]

http://nsa28.casimages.com/img/2011/09/13/110913023103153352.gif

Lebron showing some Wilt-like strength.

[SyRyanYang]

That's true, and maybe I'm overestimating the amount of tall, competent ballers on ISH. I'm assuming there have to be some dudes here that actually competed at a decent level of college or semi pro and would just overwhelm jj with size. I mean I know this site has actual pro's that lurk, and I'm sure there are former college players as well, but maybe not among active posters right now :confusedshrug:

Former college players who hasn't played anything competitive in years isn't gonna cut it.

[masonanddixon]

Of course not. The dude averaged like 35,10, and 5 in college as a midget and is putting up like 38, 10, and 8 now in FIBA ball.

If he were black you wouldn't even be posing this idiotic question.

[clipps]

no


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[clipps]

Can anyone on this site beat the worst pro boxer in a boxing match?

[LAZERUSS]

He's kicking ass in FIBA :bowdown:

Not surprising. Borderline NBA players dominate the trash from the rest of the world.

[gasolina]

If you have a significant height advantage, just back him down as much as you can then turn around and shoot a high arching shot. Either it goes in or youre probably gonna get the rebound. And how is he gonna score on you? Just sag off him and block anything he goes to the basket with. If he tries to shoot over a much taller defender hes bound to miss sometimes, and you can snag those rebounds too.


I understand some people here might not be very athletic so its not hard for them to imagine a smaller person beating them. But anyone with above average athleticism would have to have a hard time imagining someone 7 inches shorter than them beating them in basketball. I know I do.
I don't think you're allowed for offenice rebounds on most 1vs1 games. Once you get the shot off, blocked or not, it goes the other way unless you make the basket.

Also, one has to be fit enough to back down barea every ****ing time w/o getting gassed. Not only is he built like a rock, he's got quick hands to steal the ball or make you pick up the dribble. He's also got a lifetime of experience defending bigger players trying to post him up.

What happens if you pick up the dribble 20 feet from the basket? Miss a turnaround fadeaway.

Then 5 seconds after that he's making you dance from the 3pt line....

[iamgine]

A 2 meter strong guy should be able to just back him down and shoot bunnies all day.

[NZStreetBaller]

Can anyone on this site beat the worst pro boxer in a boxing match?

im pretty sure i could..... a low ranked pro making his debut.

[Sakkreth]

Nope. I could score on him some, some other posters could too, but he would score on any of the posters on like 90% + possesions.

[SugarHill]

:biggums:


Just because he's more effective than anyone here in 5 on 5 team basketball, doesn't mean he would dominate everyone in 1 on 1.

Barea is listed at 6'0 which means he's about 5'10. Anyone here that's 6'4 or taller with a decent jumper and decent coordination should be able to compete with him. It's not a full court, 5 on 5 game. It's 1 on 1. They're completely different things.
:roll:

[ralph_i_el]

You're a ****in toothpick.

nah, I just don't have a belly like most of these mother****ers. I actually do my cadio :roll:

[SugarHill]

nah, I just don't have a belly like most of these mother****ers. I actually do my cadio :roll:
6'0..175 isn't even small for a regular person. In fact, it's considered to be optimally healthy

[sdot_thadon]

Nope, nba level player comes to the gym, kills everyone, leaves no witnesses lol. Maybe some guys with enough size could steal a win here or there but consistently? Nah.

[Rake2204]

I don't think you're allowed for offenice rebounds on most 1vs1 games. Once you get the shot off, blocked or not, it goes the other way unless you make the basket.

Also, one has to be fit enough to back down barea every ****ing time w/o getting gassed. Not only is he built like a rock, he's got quick hands to steal the ball or make you pick up the dribble. He's also got a lifetime of experience defending bigger players trying to post him up.

What happens if you pick up the dribble 20 feet from the basket? Miss a turnaround fadeaway.

Then 5 seconds after that he's making you dance from the 3pt line....I think 1-on-1 rules are regional, for the "no offensive rebounds" thing is pretty rare around my parts. That said, it raises a slightly interesting point about rules. I'm not sure if it'd make much of a difference, but playing make-it-take-it versus alternating possessions after makes could leave players even less of a chance (J.J. could just go on scoring sprees without having to give up possession).

Also, I agree about the over-simplification of backing him down. He looks like a pretty built dude and he's surely aggressive and knows how to use his body. Even if someone were big enough to back him down a bit, I'd reckon he still would do a pretty effective job of taking you out of your comfort zone prior to whatever shot you opt to attempt.

Moreover, if one is truly tall or strong enough to move Barea willfully on the block, that often means there may be a speed deficiency on the other side of the ball (i.e. 6'6'' 225 pound fellows aren't typically as fleet of foot as NBA 5'11'' point guards).


Nope, nba level player comes to the gym, kills everyone, leaves no witnesses lol. Maybe some guys with enough size could steal a win here or there but consistently? Nah.That's the long and short of it. Weird things happen - good players miss a few shots in a row sometimes, bad players make some they shouldn't. Perhaps someone could randomly take one under the right circumstances and rules. But generally speaking, J.J. Barea is cutting through everyone like butter, probably 99 times out of 100.

[swagga]

I think 1-on-1 rules are regional, for the "no offensive rebounds" thing is pretty rare around my parts. That said, it raises a slightly interesting point about rules. I'm not sure if it'd make much of a difference, but playing make-it-take-it versus alternating possessions after makes could leave players even less of a chance (J.J. could just go on scoring sprees without having to give up possession).

Also, I agree about the over-simplification of backing him down. He looks like a pretty built dude and he's surely aggressive and knows how to use his body. Even if someone were big enough to back him down a bit, I'd reckon he still would do a pretty effective job of taking you out of your comfort zone prior to whatever shot you opt to attempt.

Moreover, if one is truly tall or strong enough to move Barea willfully on the block, that often means there may be a speed deficiency on the other side of the ball (i.e. 6'6'' 225 pound fellows aren't typically as fleet of foot as NBA 5'11'' point guards).

That's the long and short of it. Weird things happen - good players miss a few shots in a row sometimes, bad players make some they shouldn't. Perhaps someone could randomly take one under the right circumstances and rules. But generally speaking, J.J. Barea is cutting through everyone like butter, probably 99 times out of 100.

Never heard about the no offensive rebounds rule, probably some shit invented by people in love with jumpers, people that don't know that the defensive possession ends only after you secure the defensive rebound..... no rebounds looks like fagggot ball tbh.

a big guy 6'6" 250 with good skill and good handles would beat barea if it's winners keepers. He'd back barea down constantly and barea wouldn't be able to stop him even once. Barea is bound to miss a jumper and then it's game over. Anybody who played 1v1 long enough knows this.

[SugarHill]

Never heard about the no offensive rebounds rule, probably some shit invented by people in love with jumpers, people that don't know that the defensive possession ends only after you secure the defensive rebound..... no rebounds looks like fagggot ball tbh.

a big guy 6'6" 250 with good skill and good handles would beat barea if it's winners keepers. He'd back barea down constantly and barea wouldn't be able to stop him even once. Barea is bound to miss a jumper and then it's game over. Anybody who played 1v1 long enough knows this.
why would barea have the shoot a jumper? who on ish is stopping barea from scoring at will? how many 6'6 250 guys on ish who are capable of scoring on an nba player at will (aka keeping possession for a whole game)?

[ralph_i_el]

I'd beat Barea 1 on 1....at foosball

[ralph_i_el]

why would barea have the shoot a jumper? who on ish is stopping barea from scoring at will? how many 6'6 250 guys on ish who are capable of scoring on an nba player at will (aka keeping possession for a whole game)?

because anyone on ISH would probably have to play two steps off of him because of his quickness.

[gasolina]

Never heard about the no offensive rebounds rule, probably some shit invented by people in love with jumpers, people that don't know that the defensive possession ends only after you secure the defensive rebound..... no rebounds looks like fagggot ball tbh.
Honestly first time I saw it was on the white mamba games on YouTube.

It's actually a pretty good way to train one one one. I understand the defense doesn't stop until you secure the rebound, but it's a good way to balance a game if you keep possession when you score.

Regardless, even if you can offensive rebound, trying to post up an nba level guy who's defended bigger players all his life is a tall task. Much less, posting up from the 3pt line

[swagga]

why would barea have the shoot a jumper? who on ish is stopping barea from scoring at will? how many 6'6 250 guys on ish who are capable of scoring on an nba player at will (aka keeping possession for a whole game)?

Some of the DII guys I went against were 6'6/ 6'7 and built.

If barea starts, these guys would camp the lane, defending physically and waiting for a miss.
If they got the ball in a winners keepers game, I'd put my money on them.

I don't know if they post on ISH, but I've heard of this site from that same group. No idea. I was arguing that there are people out there that would win a 1v1 game against an NBA player. If they post on ISH or not is secondary.

[Rake2204]

Never heard about the no offensive rebounds rule, probably some shit invented by people in love with jumpers, people that don't know that the defensive possession ends only after you secure the defensive rebound..... no rebounds looks like fagggot ball tbh.

a big guy 6'6" 250 with good skill and good handles would beat barea if it's winners keepers. He'd back barea down constantly and barea wouldn't be able to stop him even once. Barea is bound to miss a jumper and then it's game over. Anybody who played 1v1 long enough knows this.Interestingly, the "dead ball" 1-on-1 format can be a great workout for very specific skills. Killing the play after a single shot means a defender's entire effort and energy is devoted to stopping the offensive player from moving anywhere, with no energy wasted by chasing down loose balls and whatnot. We'd also put a cap on available dribbles per possession to add another level of strategy and urgency.

But generally speaking, outside of specific workouts, we've generally played the looser form of 1-on-1.

Separately, a 6'6'' 250-pound guy with good skills and good handles would seem to have the possibility of a chance against Barea, but those types don't necessarily grow on trees, nor does it touch on their ability to guard Barea defensively.

My brother was 6'6'' 250 (he's down from that number now) and, without bias, he has the best amateur post-game arsenal I've ever seen in my life. He's got shortcomings in other aspects of his game but somehow, he was blessed with the feel and ability to pull off Hakeem Olajuwon drop-steps, up-fakes, step-throughs, spins, and fallaways without having to think twice.

I was originally going to say I envisioned Barea forcing enough resistance and stripping the rock with regularity, but on second thought, I could see my brother experiencing a modicum of success on Barea in the post. But even then, my brother doesn't make every post shot he takes inside. And if Barea were to take over possession, I can't really imagine seeing my brother's 6'6'' 250 doing anything but getting blown by. Not to mention the inevitable fatigue factor.

Oddly, sometimes it's the little fellers who make post players work the hardest. Players of similar stature to the post player can oftentimes rely upon getting a hand up and contesting. The little guys, meanwhile, have only their low center of gravity and ability to try to muscle the big guy away from the hoop. Without hand-checking fouls, since it's one-on-one, little guys taking the bigger fellows out of their comfort zone in the post is more common than some may want to believe.

I haphazardly admit that, at 6'3'', I've been worn out by taking a 5'10'' guy in the post. I was able to succeed, but I had to work for it, and I couldn't do it endlessly due to fatigue. I'm pretty sure it'd have been easier just to face him up and either shoot over him and beat him with speed, in hindsight.

[swagga]

Honestly first time I saw it was on the white mamba games on YouTube.

It's actually a pretty good way to train one one one. I understand the defense doesn't stop until you secure the rebound, but it's a good way to balance a game if you keep possession when you score.

Regardless, even if you can offensive rebound, trying to post up an nba level guy who's defended bigger players all his life is a tall task. Much less, posting up from the 3pt line

barea has rarely defended people bigger than 6'5. Defended is a big word. Any NBA offense would attack that mismatch.

[theaussieguy]

I love Barea. People look at him and think da *** is this guy doing in the NBA. Then you realize at 5'9 and white he can dunk which automatically makes him a superior athlete. Then you see him take people off the dribble and realize he has some serious speed and agility. Then you see him drain 3 pointers and realize he is skilled as ***.

One of my favourite players

edit: just thought i'd say, maybe he was 185 lbs at some point in his career, but after watching his FIBA highlights, there is no way in hell he is that heavy these days, I'd say 170lbs absolute max. Doesn't take anything away from him just makes him more impressive.

[swagga]

Interestingly, the "dead ball" 1-on-1 format can be a great workout for very specific skills. Killing the play after a single shot means a defender's entire effort and energy is devoted to stopping the offensive player from moving anywhere, with no energy wasted by chasing down loose balls and whatnot. We'd also put a cap on available dribbles per possession to add another level of strategy and urgency.

But generally speaking, outside of specific workouts, we've generally played the looser form of 1-on-1.

Separately, a 6'6'' 250-pound guy with good skills and good handles would seem to have the possibility of a chance against Barea, but those types don't necessarily grow on trees, nor does it touch on their ability to guard Barea defensively.

My brother was 6'6'' 250 (he's down from that number now) and, without bias, he has the best amateur post-game arsenal I've ever seen in my life. He's got shortcomings in other aspects of his game but somehow, he was blessed with the feel and ability to pull off Hakeem Olajuwon drop-steps, up-fakes, step-throughs, spins, and fallaways without having to think twice.

I was originally going to say I envisioned Barea forcing enough resistance and stripping the rock with regularity, but on second thought, I could see my brother experiencing a modicum of success on Barea in the post. But even then, my brother doesn't make every post shot he takes inside. And if Barea were to take over possession, I can't really imagine seeing my brother's 6'6'' 250 doing anything but getting blown by. Not to mention the inevitable fatigue factor.

I agree with you on all your points.
But from where I'm from (90s NY) street 1v1 is a physical game where big bullies win. If your brother would be allowed to go full physical in a winners keepers game, back down with no dribble cap, don't you think he'd get such deep position on every possession that the defense of a guy who is closer to 5'8 would barely matter?

[Rake2204]

I agree with you on all your points.
But from where I'm from (90s NY) street 1v1 is a physical game where big bullies win. If your brother would be allowed to go full physical in a winners keepers game, back down with no dribble cap, don't you think he'd get such deep position on every possession that the defense of a guy who is closer to 5'8 would barely matter?On a single case basis, where if someone gave my 6'6'' 250-pound brother one possession against J.J. Barea and said, "Score", I think he's got a pretty good chance due to his size and post-savvy.

However, there seems to be a lot of room for failure in trying to do that over and over in a full game of 1-on-1. If my brother misses a chippy, because even if he's got moves like Hakeem - he's not Hakeem, and J.J. takes over in a make-it-take-it format, I'd wonder how many more opportunities my brother would have. And if the game is played by 1's and 2's, my brother would be forced to guard Barea tight and watch him blow by, or watch him rain down trey balls that'd put my brother in a deficit quickly.

With the ball bouncing the right way under the right rules (maybe alternating possession), I could see my 6'6'' 250-pound brother competing with the 5'9'' Barea, but I still wonder about the fatigue as well. I think that always gets overlooked in these hypotheticals. One of the greatest assets of professional basketball players is not only their wonderful skills, but it's their ability to perform those wonderful skills without tiring much. It doesn't seem like it would be, but 1-on-1 can get tiring, especially for regular folk in comparison to their professional opponent.

[ClipperRevival]

I don't think you're allowed for offenice rebounds on most 1vs1 games. Once you get the shot off, blocked or not, it goes the other way unless you make the basket.

Also, one has to be fit enough to back down barea every ****ing time w/o getting gassed. Not only is he built like a rock, he's got quick hands to steal the ball or make you pick up the dribble. He's also got a lifetime of experience defending bigger players trying to post him up.

What happens if you pick up the dribble 20 feet from the basket? Miss a turnaround fadeaway.

Then 5 seconds after that he's making you dance from the 3pt line....

Yeah, Barrera would have some serious leverage down low and the guy playing him would not only have to have a pretty good size advantage (probably 6'8" up) but also be strong enough to back him down along with having enough skills to not get it stripped while backing him down and possess some post moves.

That's a lot of criteria that must be met. I don't know if anyone in here possesses them. But if they did, they have a chance. 1 on 1 is different from 5 on 5.

[ClipperRevival]

On a single case basis, where if someone gave my 6'6'' 250-pound brother possession against J.J. Barea and said, "Score", I think he's got a pretty good chance due to his size and post-savvy.

However, there seems to be a lot of room for failure in trying to do that over and over in a full game of 1-on-1. If my brother misses a chippy, because even if he's got moves like Hakeem - he's not Hakeem, and J.J. takes over in a make-it-take-it format, I'd wonder how many more opportunities my brother would have. And if the game is played by 1's and 2's, my brother would be forced to guard Barea tight and watch him blow by, or watch him rain down trey balls that'd put my brother in a deficit quickly.

With the ball bouncing the right way under the right rules (maybe alternating possession), I could see my 6'6'' 250-pound brother competing with the 5'9'' Barea, but I still wonder about the fatigue as well. I think that always gets overlooked in these hypotheticals. One of the greatest assets of professional basketball players is not only their wonderful skills, but it's their ability to perform those wonderful skills without tiring much. It doesn't seem like it would be, but 1-on-1 can get tiring, especially for regular folk in comparison to their professional opponent.

Yeah, Barrera is going to get his on offense pretty easily so your brother would have to be on point with his offense just to have a chance. Of course being 6'6" helps tremendously with rebounding misses though. That's why height/length matters greatly in 1 on 1. You don't have to worry about help defenders or anyone else, it's just you and your opponent.

[kshutts1]

Reading this thread, it seems like some people think that real life is a video game. If a bigger, stronger player wants to back someone down, they just hit the R1 button or something. It is not that easy. Not against vastly superior quickness.

Assuming Barea wanted to win 11-0...
Barea would steal the ball from 90% of ISH 90% of the time, whether ISHer is trying to back him down or not.

Barea is faster, stronger, quicker, with better handles and hops, a better shot, better intangibles than 95% of ISH.

If he did not want any one of us to score, we would not, save a miracle. It's that simple. This is COMPLETELY different than the 5 on 5 hypotheticals in which I frequently say we could hit OPEN jumpers. If Barea, or any NBA player, does not want us to score, it is not happening unless we get powerball-lotto lucky.. or unless there is a serious, serious baller here.

[SwishSquared]

I would lose for reasons already mentioned in this thread, and it wouldn't be close. My only hope would be to start with the ball and play make it/take it.

I have a height and weight advantage on Barea and have a strong lower body, so If I'm really lucky that day I could keep posting him up.

However, I'd have little hope of guarding him out on the perimeter if I miss. This guy would drill 3s over us if we sag off of him. He's stuck around in the NBA for a reason.

Not to mention the conditioning advantage he'd have over me if I have to consistently guard him on the wing.

[ClipperRevival]

Reading this thread, it seems like some people think that real life is a video game. If a bigger, stronger player wants to back someone down, they just hit the R1 button or something. It is not that easy. Not against vastly superior quickness.

Assuming Barea wanted to win 11-0...
Barea would steal the ball from 90% of ISH 90% of the time, whether ISHer is trying to back him down or not.

Barea is faster, stronger, quicker, with better handles and hops, a better shot, better intangibles than 95% of ISH.

If he did not want any one of us to score, we would not, save a miracle. It's that simple. This is COMPLETELY different than the 5 on 5 hypotheticals in which I frequently say we could hit OPEN jumpers. If Barea, or any NBA player, does not want us to score, it is not happening unless we get powerball-lotto lucky.. or unless there is a serious, serious baller here.

Please. Don't act like NBA players are Gods, especially in a 1 on 1 game. Yes, Barrera is one of the best players in the world, especially given his size. But basketball is basketball. If you can play, you can play. In a 1 on 1 game, where you don't have to worry about the pace or help D coming, height/length matters a lot.

And like I said, if a guy is tall enough, has enough skills and is strong enough to back Barrera down, that guy has a chance. A chance. I didn't say he would beat him.

In 1 on 1, when most people are seriously trying to beat the other guy, it just comes down to a game of backing the other guy down and taking high pct shots.

[Marchesk]

What if this was Spud Webb from the 80s? Would that change anything?

[ClipperRevival]

What if this was Spud Webb from the 80s? Would that change anything?

Webb would be easier to beat because he's lighter and isn't as strong as Barrera so the big guys in our hypothetical scenario would have an easier time backing him down. Of course Webb is more explosive than Barrera but both guys would have no trouble getting theirs on offense.

[kshutts1]

Please. Don't act like NBA players are Gods, especially in a 1 on 1 game. Yes, Barrera is one of the best players in the world, especially given his size. But basketball is basketball. If you can play, you can play. In a 1 on 1 game, where you don't have to worry about the pace or help D coming, height/length matters a lot.

And like I said, if a guy is tall enough, has enough skills and is strong enough to back Barrera down, that guy has a chance. A chance. I didn't say he would beat him.

In 1 on 1, when most people are seriously trying to beat the other guy, it just comes down to a game of backing the other guy down and taking high pct shots.
I take that stance myself, so believe me when I say that's not the case. But anyone that truly plays basketball knows that athleticism and skills are just as, if not more, important than size in one on one.
Size has a counter (it's generally speed). Athleticism and skills do not.
Not to mention that Barea may be SMALLER than a lot of us here, but is also stronger than a lot of us. So physical size? Sure. We have him beat there. But he will out-jump, out-run, out-quick and out-strength (lol) most of us.

[ClipperRevival]

I take that stance myself, so believe me when I say that's not the case. But anyone that truly plays basketball knows that athleticism and skills are just as, if not more, important than size in one on one.
Size has a counter (it's generally speed). Athleticism and skills do not.
Not to mention that Barea may be SMALLER than a lot of us here, but is also stronger than a lot of us. So physical size? Sure. We have him beat there. But he will out-jump, out-run, out-quick and out-strength (lol) most of us.

If you could counter size with speed, the NBA would not be littered with tall people. You can render speed, athleticism and skills moot at times with length/size, especially in a 1 on 1 game where it's just you and the other guy. And if you have a significant advantage in height/length, you really have a big advantage if your skill level isn't that far off from the guy you are playing.

This is like basketball 101. Of course if you just throw a tall dude that lacks any coordination and has cement feet with no skills, he gets destroyed. But in my hypothetical scenario, I am talking about a guy about a foot taller who has a pretty good level of skill and can play the game.

[kshutts1]

If you could counter size with speed, the NBA would not be littered with tall people. You can render speed, athleticism and skills moot at times with length/size, especially in a 1 on 1 game where it's just you and the other guy. And if you have a significant advantage in height/length, you really have a big advantage if your skill level isn't that far off from the guy you are playing.

This is like basketball 101. Of course if you just throw a tall dude that lacks any coordination and has cement feet with no skills, he gets destroyed. But in my hypothetical scenario, I am talking about a guy about a foot taller who has a pretty good level of skill and can play the game.
I'm sorry, are we still talking about ISHer v Barea, one on one? Or are we talking about some other hypthetical?

Zero guys on ISH are a foot taller than Barea.
No one, hell, no two people added together, are at a skill level close to Barea.

[ClipperRevival]

I'm sorry, are we still talking about ISHer v Barea, one on one? Or are we talking about some other hypthetical?

Zero guys on ISH are a foot taller than Barea.
No one, hell, no two people added together, are at a skill level close to Barea.

Any ISHer who might be 6'8" or above who can play the game. I mean really play the game and knows what he's doing, not just being tall and uncoordinated with cement feet.

Maybe I'm just arrogant but I'm not in awe of NBA player's skill levels. I am more in awe of their athleticism. That is God given. Skills can be learned and improved upon all the time, athleticism and height/length can't.

It's not like NBA players are by default the most skilled basketball players in the world. Most of them are there because they hit the genetic lottery, not for being the most skilled.

A guy like Barrera being only 5'11" is vulnerable in a 1 on 1 game against noticeably taller guys. It's just that simple. If a big guy knows what he's doing, he's going to back Barrera down possession after possession. No shot clock, no help coming. He can take his time.

[kshutts1]

Any ISHer who might be 6'8" or above who can play the game. I mean really play the game and knows what he's doing, not just being tall and uncoordinated with cement feet.

Maybe I'm just arrogant but I'm not in awe of NBA player's skill levels. I am more in awe of their athleticism. That is God given. Skills can be learned and improved upon all the time, athleticism and height/length can't.

It's not like NBA players are by default the most skilled basketball players in the world. Most of them are there because they hit the genetic lottery, not for being the most skilled.

A guy like Barrera being only 5'11" is vulnerable in a 1 on 1 game against noticeably taller guys. It's just that simple. If a big guy knows what he's doing, he's going to back Barrera down possession after possession. No shot clock, no help coming. He can take his time.
I 100% agree with all of that. But those agreed-upon theories/thoughts do not change the fact that no single player on ISH fits that bill, which is why I want to know if we're discussing the hypothetical of any non-professional baller in the world beating Barea... or someone on ISH beating Barea

[ClipperRevival]

I 100% agree with all of that. But those agreed-upon theories/thoughts do not change the fact that no single player on ISH fits that bill, which is why I want to know if we're discussing the hypothetical of any non-professional baller in the world beating Barea... or someone on ISH beating Barea

Anyone in the world about 6'8" who can really play the game and knows what he's doing has a chance to beat Barrera.

If you made me 6'8", I would beat Barrera. It's not like NBA players have some secret formula to play the game that the rest of the world doesn't. Basketball is the same on the playgrounds as it is in the NBA. The core fundamentals are the same. If you can play, you can play. I would back Barrera down every single time and he would be at my mercy. He would have no shot of blocking my shot. His best chance would be to get steals but I can handle the rock so I would shield him with my larger frame. And when I guard him, I would have a decent chance of affecting his shots with my size.

[kshutts1]

Anyone in the world about 6'8" who can really play the game and knows what he's doing has a chance to beat Barrera.

If you made me 6'8", I would beat Barrera. It's not like NBA players have some secret formula to play the game that the rest of the world doesn't. Basketball is the same on the playgrounds as it is in the NBA. The core fundamentals are the same. If you can play, you can play. I would back Barrera down every single time and he would be at my mercy. He would have no shot of blocking my shot. His best chance would be to get steals but I can handle the rock so I would shield him with my larger frame. And when I guard him, I would have a decent chance of affecting his shots with my size.
Ok, so not someone on ISH, like the OP asked. Got it.
Then I agree with the bolded completely.

[ralph_i_el]

Ok, so not someone on ISH, like the OP asked. Got it.
Then I agree with the bolded completely.

"Can someone on ISH beat Barea?"

"Dude, somebody who could be Barrera could beat Barrera"

:roll:

[inclinerator]

unless u played d1 i dont think u have a chance at all

[LONGTIME]

A guy like Barrera being only 5'11" is vulnerable in a 1 on 1 game against noticeably taller guys. It's just that simple. If a big guy knows what he's doing, he's going to back Barrera down possession after possession. No shot clock, no help coming. He can take his time.

:oldlol: He isn't 5'11''.

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Barea as a rookie in the 06-07 season did not get any playing time at all with the Mavericks. He was the human victory cigar. Avery decided to give him some minutes in the D-League. The Mavs played a game on Thursday/Friday... and had a couple of nights off. Barea played for the Dallas Legends (their D-League affiliate) on Saturday. He stepped off the plane, did not practice with the team, barely had a uniform for that night's game and dropped 40 points in that D-League game. Avery called him back up the next day.

Some posters might score on him but you would not be beating him.

[Asukal]

Jesus fcking Christ, Barea once defended Lebaldo in the post and made him fall on his ass in a finals game. I can guarantee no one from ISH will be able to do such an incredible feat. :bowdown:

[bigt]

Jesus fcking Christ, Barea once defended Lebaldo in the post and made him fall on his ass in a finals game. I can guarantee no one from ISH will be able to do such an incredible feat. :bowdown:

Actually it wouldn't be that hard to make Lebron fall down. Just pretend to foul him and he'll do the rest

[inclinerator]

:oldlol: He isn't 5'11''.
yea more like 5'10

[FireDavidKahn]

No one on here has half a chance in hell. Who is quick enough to guard him on the perimeter? Even if you are a complete stud athlete, he's going to kill you.

I'm a pretty strong dude and I can usually get the better of my defender when we make contact. I'm 6'0 175. Barea is like 5'7" 185. That's built.
6'0
175

Strong? Nope.:oldlol:

[20Four]

Lol I'd dunk on that midget
STFU the only thing your dunking is donuts in your coffee you fat fvck

[oarabbus]

Anyone in the world about 6'8" who can really play the game and knows what he's doing has a chance to beat Barrera.

If you made me 6'8", I would beat Barrera. It's not like NBA players have some secret formula to play the game that the rest of the world doesn't. Basketball is the same on the playgrounds as it is in the NBA. The core fundamentals are the same. If you can play, you can play. I would back Barrera down every single time and he would be at my mercy. He would have no shot of blocking my shot. His best chance would be to get steals but I can handle the rock so I would shield him with my larger frame. And when I guard him, I would have a decent chance of affecting his shots with my size.


Ok, so like a 6'8" D1 player. Like Jabari Parker or Julius Randle. Ok yeah, as their college selves they'd have a chance against Barea. Is your argument that a highly skilled and athletic player who's 6'8" will beat 5'10" Barea as if it's not common knowledge that you cant teach size? :oldlol:

Because that's not what this topic is about. And in a game of 1v1, it can really go either way. I don't see too many people in history beating 5'10" Allen Iverson in 1v1. Now you can ask who on ISH is comparable to college Jabari Parker or even Marcus Morris?

[ClipperRevival]

Ok, so like a 6'8" D1 player. Like Jabari Parker or Julius Randle. Ok yeah, as their college selves they'd have a chance against Barea. Is your argument that a highly skilled and athletic player who's 6'8" will beat 5'10" Barea as if it's not common knowledge that you cant teach size? :oldlol:

Because that's not what this topic is about. And in a game of 1v1, it can really go either way. I don't see too many people in history beating 5'10" Allen Iverson in 1v1. Now you can ask who on ISH is comparable to college Jabari Parker or even Marcus Morris?

No, I am saying a regular baller around 6'8" who really knows what he's doing and can play the game has a good shot at beating him. 1 on 1 is different from 5 on 5. There is no double coming and no shot clock. As the much bigger and taller guy, you can take your time backing down Barea until you get deep position and can shoot over the much shorter guy. When you are that much shorter, there is only so much you can do in terms of contesting shots and grabbing boards. Again, I am saying this person must really know how to play the game, not just be a novice.

Having said that, no one in here probably fits that bill.

So having said that, no one in here probably fits that bill. So it's a moot point.

[Clifton]

Does OP mean for JJ Barea to be an "everyman" type NBA player?

A better question might be Steve Blake. JJ Barea doesn't quite have the size to be a star in the NBA, but he's a legit 6th man. It's not even uncommon for him to go for 20, with 10 in the fourth. Or to lead a comeback in the fourth, scoring or assisting on 50% of the buckets. He's closer to Jamal Crawford than Brian Scalabrine.

Steve Blake's never been that guy anywhere. He was a very good PG in college and a rotation player, sometimes starter, in the NBA. But he's there because he's smart, works hard, keeps the ball moving, and hits open shots. There are probably people here with a comparable talent level who don't "fit in" as well in a team setting, maybe don't bring the desirable role player skills, and that's why they're posting here and not at the end of an NBA bench making $1m+ per year.

I'm not saying Blake wouldn't beat everyone here, but I think it's more questionable than JJ.

[Timmy D for MVP]

Most the short dudes in the NBA can flat out ball. That's why they've made it to the NBA despite their height. Even the ones that can't ball in the NBA would easily be the best person on 99% of courts outside the league.

So for someone who is 6' like me, I would have to pick someone similar in height, and they're all likely fast and strong as shit. If I pick someone bigger they're just going to completely overwhelm me.

So... my goal would be to score a single basket. They can spot me 10, I start with the ball every time, and maybe I beat them once.

[BarberSchool]

No one here would score a point on him.Speak for yourself, @sswipe.

If i can cause a 400 pound gorilla to run away, I'm sure a could back in that strong little boriqua and at least score a post-up back down cheapie, maybe also hit a three or two.

But if it's make it take it, as soon as he got the ball he would rattle off consecutive buckets at will and destroy me and make me look foolish.