RIP Moses Malone

[BuffaloBill]

God damn :(

[imdaman99]

Dead at 60 :eek:

Never saw him play but heard he was among the greats, RIP.

[ArbitraryWater]

oh :(

RIP

will send out a prayer to his close ones

[Round Mound]

:(

[MEB2kDeez]

Damn, some news you didn't want to wake up to as a fan. R.i.P

[MP.Trey]

No way. :(

R.I.P to a legend.

[Warfan]

Damn, RIP :( Any word on what happened?

[Uncle Drew]

Damn, RIP :( Any word on what happened?
Died in his sleep apparently.

[sportjames23]

NOOOOOOO

60 is too young.

First Daryl Dawkins, now Moses. :(

[Fallen Angel]

Life sucks

[ArbitraryWater]

How many of you gonna sent out a prayer(or posititve energy or whatever if you dont believe in that stuff)? How many are legit touched and/or how long does the thought last?

I always wonder about this when celebs/athletes (ones you'd be familiar with and perhaps cared about) deaths come out.

[WallIn]

:( noooo

R.I.P. Legend

[PHILA]

RIP, one of the all time greats and very underrated player.

He was the greatest offensive rebounder bar none with an amazing motor.


http://i.imgur.com/3iuPhJa.jpg

[scandisk_]

R.I.P Legend

[Psileas]

:( First Dawkins, then Malone, a top 15-20 GOAT.

[DMV2]

Damn, a few weeks it was Chocolate Thunder. Another Sixers legend gone.

RIP Moses Malone

Both Moses and Dawkins came straight out of high school too.

[Lebron23]

RIP Moses Malone.

[MEB2kDeez]

How many of you gonna sent out a prayer(or posititve energy or whatever if you dont believe in that stuff)? How many are legit touched and/or how long does the thought last?

I always wonder about this when celebs/athletes (ones you'd be familiar with and perhaps cared about) deaths come out.
I'd say most give their thoughts and sympathy. Some may think about it from time to time as a fan but shouldn't dwell on it for more than a couple days imo.

I'm younger so clearly wouldn't be affected like someone who actually grew up watching him.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'd say most give their thoughts and sympathy. Some may think about it from time to time as a fan but shouldn't dwell on it for more than a couple days imo.

I'm younger so clearly wouldn't be affected like someone who actually grew up watching him.

same.. here I don't waste much thought, I'd try to never dwell about it actually (useless imo), but I will try to sent out my best for his close remaining ones, since he was a good guy.

Now if someone I grew up watching, my favorite athlete, say Rafa Nadal, would die at 50-60.. I'd probably be pretty shattered..

I feel too many just make sad smileys though when its not that deep (for them/some, anyways).

[Spaulding]

Rest well Moses.

[ArbitraryWater]

Rest well Moses.

perfect post imo

from the heart, not too overly faked emotional

[MEB2kDeez]

same.. here I don't waste much thought, I'd try to never dwell about it actually (useless imo), but I will try to sent out my best for his close remaining ones, since he was a good guy.

Now if someone I grew up watching, my favorite athlete, say Rafa Nadal, would die at 50-60.. I'd probably be pretty shattered..

I feel too many just make sad smileys though when its not that deep (for them/some, anyways).
I feel what you're coming from.

[Fallen Angel]

perfect post imo

from the heart, not too overly faked emotional
Why are you judging people's response to a Basketball Legend passing away?

[Lebron23]

He was the best player of the last Sixers team who were able to win the NBA Championship.

I hope the Sixers have a Dawkins and Malone tribute at opening night. And they become a playoffs team.

[Fallen Angel]

Moses was born in my home state and played for my favorite team for six great seasons.

Have nothing but the utmost respect for him and wish the best for his family and close friends.

[DMV2]

I'm pretty sure any true diehard basketball fan would be affected by it. At least the immediate effect. We invest(or invested in the past) a lot of time and energy into this sport as a fan...as silly as it sounds.

I never watched a game of Chocolate Thunder but I saw his interviews, saw how he conducted himself as a great ambassador of the league. I genuinely feel losing a guy like Dawkins was a big lost for the league.

I definitely gonna cry whenever Mutombo passes.

[Lebron23]

Moses was born in my home state and played for my favorite team for six great seasons.

Have nothing but the utmost respect for him and wish the best for his family and close friends.


This

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Kblaze8855]

Im sure Charles Barkley is hurt. Moses was said to be a father figure to a lot of young bigs. Hes who Hakeem worked out with in college and who Charles said taught him to be a pro.

Probably be underrated forever.

He was for a while considered the best in a league that had Magic, Bird, and Kareem but he never gets put on that level it seems.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why are you judging people's response to a Basketball Legend passing away?

not judging, I do feel like some people go over the top a bit when it really doesn't bother them that much (not speaking ISH and this topic, generally), and hey, I too can understand that.

--

Guess it was his time.. Luckily, Moses died a painless death :cheers:

[Lebron23]

I'm pretty sure any true diehard basketball fan would be affected by it. At least the immediate effect.

I never watched a game of Chocolate Thunder but I saw his interviews, saw how he conducted himself as a great ambassador of the league. I genuinely feel losing a guy like Dawkins was a big lost for the league.

I definitely gonna cry whenever Mutombo passes.


Me too. I never watched a full game of Moses Malone. Malone was a top 15 player of all time. This guy was a multiple time NBA MVP, and a former NBA Champion.

[DMV2]

Im sure Charles Barkley is hurt. Moses was said to be a father figure to a lot of young bigs. Hes who Hakeem worked out with in college and who Charles said taught him to be a pro.

Probably be underrated forever.

He was for a while considered the best in a league that had Magic, Bird, and Kareem but he never gets put on that level it seems.
I only know Moses for his game and performances, never readup on his influence for younger guys. He always did seem like a lowkey dude, I definitely got a lot of love and respect for people like that.

[ArbitraryWater]

I only know Moses for his game and performances, never readup on his influence for younger guys. He always did seem like a lowkey dude, I definitely got a lot of love and respect for people like that.

you never really heard him him much on TV because I believe he had a speaking lisp, something like that.

[Asukal]

Rest in peace. :(

[MP.Trey]

you never really heard him him much on TV because I believe he had a speaking lisp, something like that.
Fo' fo' fo' :pimp:

[DMV2]

Just realized he's the biggest star the NBA has lost since Wilt's passing.

[Fallen Angel]

Just realized he's the biggest star the NBA has lost since Wilt's passing.
He was the latest MVP of the league to pass away, too.

[Fallen Angel]

According to David Aldridge, Moses Malone was in attendance for the Hall of Fame ceremony on Friday.

[KCO]

Wow shocking to say the least. We lost a great one and he was only 60, way to young to pass away at that age. Fo, Fo, Fo. R.I.P. Moses Malone, you will be missed.

[Dr.J4ever]

I can't believe it. So young. Still no official reaction from the 76ers family on this Sunday morning.:(

I was a sophomore in high school when the 76ers signed Moses Malone for a then astounding 2.2m per year, if I remember correctly. I still remember the excitement in the Philly area knowing full well that we were finally getting the man to deal with the main Sixers weakness in dealing with the Bostons and LAs of the world---that big man to finally bring Doc that title that had eluded him.

Believe it or not, there was skepticism from other GMs around the league that putting together the last 2 MVPs of the last 2 season(Doc and Moses) would be such a good idea. Some thought Moses would slow down the fast breaking Sixers. Some thought Moses couldn't throw good outlet passes. Some believed he wasn't a very good shot blocker. Some thought there wasn't enough basketballs to share between the 2 great scorers, Moses and Julius.

From day one, Moses assured everyone that the 1983 76ers were "Doc's team". And Julius complimented Moses back by sharing the spotlight and accepting that Moses would be the primary option on the half court. It worked beautifully, obviously, and it was a dream season which also turned out to be an historical season that I will never forget as long as I live.

It still brings tears to my eyes when I remember that year. Lost youth, i guess, and Moses was definitely a huge part of my early years.

And so today, the most dominant interior player I have ever seen is gone.

Condolences to Moses's family and rest in peace, Moses. Fo, fo, fo lives forever!:bowdown: :bowdown:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Damn :( :(

And right after Dawkins...

Moses is the 12th greatest player of all-time in my mind, a top6 GOAT center who had a great and pretty underrated peak.

RIP

[senelcoolidge]

This is so sudden. R.I.P. An all time great. Big men tend to die young.

[Megabox!]

Damn a lot of basketball legends have been passing away this year. RIP

[AirFederer]

Rip :(

[zoom17]

RIP 60 is too young :(

[Legends66NBA7]

Moses and I share the same birthday date. Also the best player of the group.


Sad day for the basketball community.

[bobopenguin]

RIP elbow of steel :(

[RoundMoundOfReb]

One of the best players no one seems to talk about. RIP.

[aquaadverse]

Been watching the NBA since the 1970's. Dude was a beast and total Pro. R.I.P..

[Elosha]

RIP Moses, a class act and one of the greats. It is truly scary to be a huge athlete like a center or power forward. It just seems like their life expectancy is significantly shorter than normal. It's also sad how many professional athletes in general die younger than expected. I wonder if the same genes that makes someone bigger, stronger, faster for whatever sport also takes a toll on your lifespan. Almost like you're burning through your lifespan faster than normal because of your physical prowess. Complete speculation and nothing to scientific that I know of to back it up -- but I still wonder.

[Taller than CP3]

RIP

came as a shocker, dude was still young

one of the greatest big men to step foot in the paint

[Hey Yo]

Been watching the NBA since the 1970's. Dude was a beast and total Pro. R.I.P..
No doubt.

Don't really ever remember him being to emotional on the court or letting his feelings get the best of him. Always kept his head in the game. Stayed low key, but knew he was on a mission.

R.I.P Champ.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COy3LWEVAAA617A.jpg

[Dr.J4ever]

Finally, some reaction from the 76ers family:

"It is with a deep sense of sadness that the Sixers family mourns the sudden loss of Moses Malone. It is difficult to express what his contributions to this organization - both as a friend and player - have meant to us, the city of Philadelphia and his faithful fans. Moses holds a special place in our hearts and will forever be remembered as a genuine icon and pillar of the most storied era in the history of Philadelphia 76ers basketball,

[Odinn]

I didn't watch him alive. But I watched a lot of him. Such as his entire playoff runs in 1981 and 1983. He was one of my all-time favourites.
Great player. Humble guy. He was such a role model.

RIP.

[kayla91]

#WhatElseIsThereToSay #RIPToTheBigGuy #TheGreat #MosesMalone #PromiseLandDeliverer #76ersNation #StandUp! :cry: :cry:

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv56/kayla9170/IUNewsTalkMeme_zpsdjlxhd1t.jpg

[SOD 21]

Moses was the one center that I remember continually getting the better of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. He was so strong that he used to just bully Kareem on the low block, and he used to especially kill KAJ going after offensive rebounds.

Moses was on the team that knocked out the Lakers in the first round in that memorable miniseries in 1981 and again in the NBA finals in 1983 when Phili swept the Lakers.

Moses seems like one of the most overlooked and under-appreciated players in NBA history.

[Rocketswin2013]

Terrible. Rest in Peace.

[HylianNightmare]

Hope the rims up in heaven are to your liking Moses

[Fudge]

Damn.

RIP.

[KembaWalker]

Moses and I share the same birthday date. Also the best player of the group.


Sad day for the basketball community.

Same here bruh, March 23rd

Damn crappy news to wake up to though, RIP Moses

Fo' Fo' Fo'

[Pointguard]

RIP. He was a hustle bruiser. Kept coming at teams.

[BoutPractice]

The two Moses are now playing a mean 1 on 1 game in heaven.

Even with God on his side, the prophet seemingly can't prevent Moses from grabbing every offensive rebound - or so I'm told.

[thefatmiral]

Sad news. Lived a blessed life though

[ArbitraryWater]

The two Moses are now playing a mean 1 on 1 game in heaven.

Even with God on his side, the prophet seemingly can't prevent Moses from grabbing every offensive rebound - or so I'm told.

:applause:

[Hey Yo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COy6IE7W8AARMLA.jpg




Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
BEST Moses Malone cards ever printed. If only the Braves didn't Brave and surrender him after just two games ...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COy34o0UwAAmHuP.jpg

[BigNBAfan]

no excuses

[PHILA]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6kkeH6sUHU

[aj1987]

:( First Dawkins, then Malone, a top 15-20 GOAT.
He's top 15 at WORST. Probably ~12th or 13th all time.


RIP.

[CavaliersFTW]

Damn... Dawkins now Malone :(

[FatComputerNerd]

fukkk :biggums:

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

RIP. Top 20 GOAT
ill never forget watching him punk Kareem

[Harison]

My heart goes out to his family and friends. :(

[Young X]

RIP legend

[Smook A.]

Damn, sad news to wake up to. RIP

[FashionIssues]

damn what is going on?! rip

[72-10]

RIP

[Fallen Angel]

Moses was never drafted to the NBA, he was drafted to the ABA and then they merged.

[KnittingRyu]

Sad day. RIP.

[sammichoffate]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BqyB4LwIIAEe_G9.jpg
True competitor, ambassador, legend. RIP :(

[catch24]

Underrated, and under appreciated. A force to reckon with down low.

RIP to another legend

[JellyBean]

Man. Life is too short. I was just watching an old clip of Moses and the Rockets vs George Gervin and the Spurs and talking to my pops about the greatness of Moses. RIP, Moses. NBA fans that grew up in the 70s and 80s understand and appreciate your greatness and level of determination. You gave my favorite player, Kareem, headaches and some great battles over the years. RIP, Sir :bowdown:

[JellyBean]

Underrated, and under appreciated. A force to reckon with down low.

RIP to another legend


So true.

[ralph_i_el]

The two Moses are now playing a mean 1 on 1 game in heaven.

Even with God on his side, the prophet seemingly can't prevent Moses from grabbing every offensive rebound - or so I'm told.
Bruh heaven isn't real

[KevinNYC]

One of the hardest working guys ever to lace them up.

For about five years he was the baddest basketball player on the planet.

[bigkingsfan]

Damn, sad news to wake up to. RIP
At least you woke up.

[KevinNYC]

Im sure Charles Barkley is hurt. Moses was said to be a father figure to a lot of young bigs. Hes who Hakeem worked out with in college and who Charles said taught him to be a pro.

Probably be underrated forever.

He was for a while considered the best in a league that had Magic, Bird, and Kareem but he never gets put on that level it seems.Dr J too.

[warriorfan]

http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Catching_Up_With_Moses_Malone_012005.html


Hawks.com: What are you doing with yourself these days?

Moses Malone: What am I doing? I'm doing nothing, just relaxing and enjoying life. I did 21 years of hard labor in the NBA, invested my money right, so I'm set. I earned the right to relax and enjoy, you know?

Malone was a G. :applause:

[SHAQisGOAT]

http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Catching_Up_With_Moses_Malone_012005.html



Malone was a G. :applause:

:applause:

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site515/2015/0913/20150913_081615_AP_219438927634_500.jpg

:bowdown:

[DMV2]

Moses was never drafted to the NBA, he was drafted to the ABA and then they merged.
Only because the ABA were willing to pay a lot more money for highschool and college kids. Spencer Haywood had to take the NBA to court for them to change the rules; this was a couple of years before Moses was drafted by the ABA.

[ArbitraryWater]

He's even happier in Heaven now :applause:

[LAZERUSS]

Moses was the most feared player in the league from '78-79 thru '82-83. Sorry Bird, Magic, Dr.J, and Kareem (whom he regularly beat to a pulp)...but Moses was easily the best player in the game in that span.

And he was a rare player...like Dantley and Rodman...whose domination was hard to explain. Dantley was a 6-5 205 lb player that was one of the greatest POST players in NBA history. And Rodman was a 6-7 225 lb player who absolutely owned guys like Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, and Robinson on the glass.
Moses was 6-10, around 245 lbs, without great strength or a great vertical, and yet, he CRUSHED his peers in scoring and rebounding. In fact, he just plain out-worked them. I would say that he was the most RELENTLESS force the game has ever seen.

RIP Moses.

:bowdown:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Moses was the most feared player in the league from '78-79 thru '82-83. Sorry Bird, Magic, Dr.J, and Kareem (whom he regularly beat to a pulp)...but Moses was easily the best player in the game in that span.

And he was a rare player...like Dantley and Rodman...whose domination was hard to explain. Dantley was a 6-5 205 lb player that was one of the greatest POST players in NBA history. And Rodman was a 6-7 225 lb player who absolutely owned guys like Shaq, Ewing, Hakeem, and Robinson on the glass.
Moses was 6-10, around 245 lbs, without great strength or a great vertical, and yet, he CRUSHED his peers in scoring and rebounding. In fact, he just plain out-worked them. I would say that he was the most RELENTLESS force the game has ever seen.

RIP Moses.

:bowdown:

Well said, except for just two things...

Dantley was a ~210 lbs rookie and more like pushing 220 lbs in his best years...

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/files/2014/09/Adrian-Dantley-AD-Utah-Jazz-HOF-Small-Forward-Five-Best.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/4e/c2/ea/4ec2ea3d15f3d54a3555980cfae0c4f2.jpg

But yea, what he did in the post at 6'5 is just ridiculous... Takes tremendous amount of skill, plus offensive bball IQ and strength.

And I'd say that Moses had great strength, which he used to play big-time bully ball. He didn't have a great vertical, no, but he's one of the best ever at "double-jumping", dude hopped extremely quick off the ground right after touching it. He was a pretty mobile 6'10, 250 lbs player, as well.
And yea, Moses was one of the centers that Kareem had the most trouble with.

[LAZERUSS]

Well said, except for just two things...

Dantley was a ~210 lbs rookie and more like pushing 220 lbs in his best years...

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/files/2014/09/Adrian-Dantley-AD-Utah-Jazz-HOF-Small-Forward-Five-Best.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/4e/c2/ea/4ec2ea3d15f3d54a3555980cfae0c4f2.jpg

But yea, what he did in the post at 6'5 is just ridiculous... Takes tremendous amount of skill, plus offensive bball IQ and strength.

And I'd say that Moses had great strength, which he used to play big-time bully ball. He didn't have a great vertical, no, but he's one of the best ever at "double-jumping", dude hopped extremely quick off the ground right after touching it. He was a pretty mobile 6'10, 250 lbs player, as well.
And yea, Moses was one of the centers that Kareem had the most trouble with.


I stand corrected on Dantley's weight then.

And to be fair to Kareem...Moses never faced a peak Kareem, either.

[LAZERUSS]

Well said, except for just two things...

Dantley was a ~210 lbs rookie and more like pushing 220 lbs in his best years...

http://www.rantsports.com/nba/files/2014/09/Adrian-Dantley-AD-Utah-Jazz-HOF-Small-Forward-Five-Best.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/4e/c2/ea/4ec2ea3d15f3d54a3555980cfae0c4f2.jpg

But yea, what he did in the post at 6'5 is just ridiculous... Takes tremendous amount of skill, plus offensive bball IQ and strength.

And I'd say that Moses had great strength, which he used to play big-time bully ball. He didn't have a great vertical, no, but he's one of the best ever at "double-jumping", dude hopped extremely quick off the ground right after touching it. He was a pretty mobile 6'10, 250 lbs player, as well.
And yea, Moses was one of the centers that Kareem had the most trouble with.


BTW...

:cheers:

We don't always agree, but you are one of the more knowledgeable posters here.

[SHAQisGOAT]

I stand corrected on Dantley's weight then.

And to be fair to Kareem...Moses never faced a peak Kareem, either.

True, Kareem's VERY best lasted until 1978 or so, when Moses was just a pup... Malone's prime started in 1978-79, immediately winning MVP. Jabbar was still a terrific player during Moses' peak though.



BTW...

:cheers:

We don't always agree, but you are one of the more knowledgeable posters here.

:cheers:

[DonDadda59]

Damn, only 60. Moses was criminally underrated and the GOAT offensive rebounder. :applause:

[Jasper]

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/time-nba-mvp-moses-malone-dies-age-60/story?id=33723134

Even he played for the Bucks past his prime , he was a great player and mentor to many young players.
The best rebounder I ever saw next to Wes Unseld.

RIP

[hateraid]

The dawn of great bigs in Philly. Youngbloods, make them proud. ..
:(
RIP Big Mo

[Jameerthefear]

Mo mo RIP :(

[Cold soul]

Sad day. R.I.P. Moses you'll be missed by many but never forgotten.

[Coach Eddie]

RIP

[Coach Eddie]

Sad day. R.I.P. Moses you'll be missed by many but never forgotten.

Sadly he has become so underrated that I feel many young fans don't even know who he is.

[Mike Armstrong]

No way. :(

R.I.P to a legend.

Yarp.

[Town's Town]

That sucks. RIP.

[lil jahlil]

:(

[LikeMike]

BOO! Bring him back!

[GimmeThat]

I never got to ask him, what would the top of the key even mean if the 3 point line was never introduced.

[jongib369]

I stand corrected on Dantley's weight then.

And to be fair to Kareem...Moses never faced a peak Kareem, either.
Were you surprised at how well Moses played Kareem? People seem to have them at quite a distance on the all time player, or center rankings for how close the battles were. Though as of this moment I'm not remembering what the stat lines looked like exactly.

How did Gilmore handle him?

[West-Side]

Oh my god. :facepalm
Rest In Peace Moses, one of the most underrated players ever.


This is shocking, he was my dad's favorite player.

[senelcoolidge]

I was at work all day yesterday, so I didn't watch any of the news on tv. Did espn do anything for him? Because if not that's a shame. They are talking only crappy football. Even the Chinese Channel had something about Moses Malone that ran for a few minutes. Don't tell me that the Chinese appreciate Moses Malone more than the American sports media.

[Just2McFly]

Looking at his resume , why the **** isn't he considered top ten but Hakeem is?

[Pointguard]

Were you surprised at how well Moses played Kareem? People seem to have them at quite a distance on the all time player, or center rankings for how close the battles were. Though as of this moment I'm not remembering what the stat lines looked like exactly.

How did Gilmore handle him?
Before my time but I do know Gilmore's game fell off some just as '79 or Mose's peak started. Gilmore seemingly was getting the best of him before then. They were similar in that they were exceptional rebounders that could score. Malone was more relentless pressure and caused chaos. Gilmore was very structured, highly efficient and fitted in well. One used his height and strength well and the other energy and tenacity. At their peaks Gil was 23 and 13, Malone 31 and 15 and Gilmore noticeably better on defense.

Malone wasn't a very skilled player outside of his rebounding and had a pretty good 15 foot game. He just kept coming at players and could wear them down. He was a work horse much like KG, but was bigger and stayed closer to the rim. I remember thinking he was very similar to what one was imagining Dwight Howard would turn into when seeing him in 2009, you know before the flaws started to show (DH was much better defensively, tho). The considerable distance between Mo and Kareem was due to skill in passing, dependable shot, defense, working out of double teams and fitting in as a pivotal player on both sides of the ball.

[ArbitraryWater]

Looking at his resume , why the **** isn't he considered top ten but Hakeem is?

there are simple reasons, actually.. trust me, there's nothing anyone just accidentally missed.

[houston]

rip

[KevinNYC]

Looking at his resume , why the **** isn't he considered top ten but Hakeem is?
Hakeem looks waaaaaay better in highlight reels which don't capture what Moses was about.

Hakeem was way more skilled and versatile, and that is sometimes overrated. Shaq wasn't much of a threat from three was he? Did it matter?

Just read one of the articles on Moses and a teammate said, a lot of guys have second and third effort. Moses had like 9th and 19th effort.

but folks who won 3 NBA MVPs are pretty exclusive club and Moses is in it.

Kareem
Jordan
Bird
Wilt
LeBron
Magic
Russell
Moses

[72-10]

Hakeem was the most skilled center that has played

[PHILA]

For those interested in the statistical data (on/off) estimates, he was a monstrous offensive force. The ultimate lunch pail, blue collar superstar. This is based off Harvey Pollack's plus/minus totals from the old Sixers yearbooks. His 1985 offensive data is as good as anyone we have seen since the NBA has officially compiled the data (1997).

Net ORtg

1983: +8.2
1984: +10.4
1985: +18.8
1986: +8.9

[Jameerthefear]

Why have the 6ers not retired his #?

[PHILA]

Why have the 6ers not retired his #?
Even though nobody has ever worn his number for the Sixers since, it's about time #2 officially goes up in the rafters.

[KevinNYC]

For those interested in the statistical data (on/off) estimates, he was a monstrous offensive force. The ultimate lunch pail, blue collar superstar. This is based off Harvey Pollack's plus/minus totals from the old Sixers yearbooks. His 1985 offensive data is as good as anyone we have seen since the NBA has officially compiled the data (1997).

Net ORtg

1983: +8.2
1984: +10.4
1985: +18.8
1986: +8.9


How is this calculated? And what are other examples of great players? Just went to bball reference and found offensive rating, but not Net ORtg

And if you gave me 100 guesses as to who holds the single season record for offensive rating, I still wouldn't have gotten it.

Without looking any guesses? Give your reasons why you chose your answer. If you just knew, say that.

[KevinNYC]

Charles Barkley often credited Malone as the man who taught him the intricacies of the game off the court.

“The man I called ‘Dad’ passed today. Words can’t explain my sadness. I will never know why a Hall of Famer took a fat, lazy kid from Auburn and treated him like a son and got him in shape and made him a player.

Every time I saw him I called him ‘Dad.’ I hope he knew how much I appreciated and loved him.” – Barkley

[KevinNYC]

Moses Game 2 1981 Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bymIFWc5m9M

[SHAQisGOAT]

Moses Game 2 1981 Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bymIFWc5m9M

:applause: :bowdown:

Relentless!

He was definitely talented but the 1st thing that pops out is his big-time grit, hustle and heart... Just a tremendous motor, just a great player, especially during his absolute prime, from 1979 until 1983.

[Legends66NBA7]

Charles Barkley often credited Malone as the man who taught him the intricacies of the game off the court.

“The man I called ‘Dad’ passed today. Words can’t explain my sadness. I will never know why a Hall of Famer took a fat, lazy kid from Auburn and treated him like a son and got him in shape and made him a player.

Every time I saw him I called him ‘Dad.’ I hope he knew how much I appreciated and loved him.” – Barkley

I wonder if Moses and Barkley stayed together longer, could Barkley have possibly become even better than he was ?

[L.Kizzle]

RIP Mo'

You could argue him being the 5th greatest center all-time over his pupil Hakeem.

[SHAQisGOAT]

And btw, Moses is underrated in all-time lists or when talking about peaks and such, but his skill is also overlooked...
He was a great finisher at the rim with some great layups, he had a good jumper from close to the paint, had some post-moves, had a very solid - even if akward - hookshot, he went to the line a whole lot and hit FT's at a nice rate, obviously with great rebounding fundamentals, even some pretty good defensive awareness, and you won't see many 6'10 bigmen doing this type of stuff:

http://i.imgur.com/MKQ2sgK.gif

Also very strong, pretty mobile, above average leaper, possessed terrifc "double-jumping" ability...
He was relentless af, never stopped coming at you, major motor and heart, with a big-time work-ethic (at least before 1984)...

[PHILA]

How is this calculated? And what are other examples of great players? Just went to bball reference and found offensive rating, but not Net ORtg

And if you gave me 100 guesses as to who holds the single season record for offensive rating, I still wouldn't have gotten it.

Without looking any guesses? Give your reasons why you chose your answer. If you just knew, say that.
Just an estimate based on the plus/minus total and team pace. Using the team total minutes played and team's total point differential, you just find out what the data is per 48 minutes and then use the formula to calculate per 100 possessions.

Per 48 min * 100 / (team pace)

Below is an example of Barkley's offensive impact in 1992. His offensive plus minus total is +6313 (from Pollack's yearbook), and the Sixers that year scored a total of 8358 points. From there you fill in his MP (minutes played), etc.

http://i.imgur.com/JmFt9Qn.png (http://i.imgur.com/JmFt9Qn.png)


On basketball reference you find it under the on/off tab on a player's page. For instance, LeBron was +15.3 on offense in 2010.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/on-off/2010

[Dr.J4ever]

And btw, Moses is underrated in all-time lists or when talking about peaks and such, but his skill is also overlooked...
He was a great finisher at the rim with some great layups, he had a good jumper from close to the paint, had some post-moves, had a very solid - even if akward - hookshot, he went to the line a whole lot and hit FT's at a nice rate, obviously with great rebounding fundamentals, even some pretty good defensive awareness, and you won't see many 6'10 bigmen doing this type of stuff:

http://i.imgur.com/MKQ2sgK.gif

Also very strong, pretty mobile, above average leaper, possessed terrifc "double-jumping" ability...
He was relentless af, never stopped coming at you, major motor and heart, with a big-time work-ethic (at least before 1984)...

Correction, he didn't just have "some post moves", but he had great post moves.

Moses was the master of the drop step, and a little known fact of history that I rarely hear anymore is that Moses taught Hakeem many, if not most of the post moves the Dream knows. When Moses was with Houston and Hakeem was with the Cougars in college, Moses would school Hakeem on post moves. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere during the time.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Charles Barkley often credited Malone as the man who taught him the intricacies of the game off the court.

[I]

[bizil]

Peak Moses may have been the BEST BLEND of pure physicality and scoring skillset at center of all time. He was more physical than guys like a Robinson or Dream. His scoring skillset was more complete than Shaq and Wilt. The way he pounded the glass and used his body ALONG with his scoring skillset was his magic. For SURE the best center LISTED under 7'0 of all time. Both peak and GOAT wise.

[GimmeThat]

when big men can no longer score efficiently, you say well, they can still rebound.

and how they were to score and at what rate from there on out, if depended upon intuition, your best chance at winning a title goes with how quick a ball can be passed.

and when a big man can no longer rebound, well, they can still go out there and do things that no other players can.


as for the defensive end on helping the team in winning the championship, I'm certain Moses Malone always left himself enough room to be the help defender during his peak. and made the weak side as glaring as possible past prime.


it's a shame I never got to watch him play.

[KnittingRyu]

Moses Game 2 1981 Finals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bymIFWc5m9M
:applause:

[4 Inches]

R.I.P Moses :bowdown:
I had to do the old Moses Malone today in a game. It was only right

[ProfessorMurder]

Correction, he didn't just have "some post moves", but he had great post moves.

Moses was the master of the drop step, and a little known fact of history that I rarely hear anymore is that Moses taught Hakeem many, if not most of the post moves the Dream knows. When Moses was with Houston and Hakeem was with the Cougars in college, Moses would school Hakeem on post moves. I'm pretty sure I read that somewhere during the time.

Ewing and other bigs were giving it to Hakeem in college. I'm sure Moses is responsible for a significant chunk of Hakeem's abilities.

[KevinNYC]

Just an estimate based on the plus/minus total and team pace. Using the team total minutes played and team's total point differential, you just find out what the data is per 48 minutes and then use the formula to calculate per 100 possessions.

Per 48 min * 100 / (team pace)

Below is an example of Barkley's offensive impact in 1992. His offensive plus minus total is +6313 (from Pollack's yearbook), and the Sixers that year scored a total of 8358 points. From there you fill in his MP (minutes played), etc.

http://i.imgur.com/JmFt9Qn.png (http://i.imgur.com/JmFt9Qn.png)


On basketball reference you find it under the on/off tab on a player's page. For instance, LeBron was +15.3 on offense in 2010.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/on-off/2010
Thanks.

[Rocketswin2013]

Just an estimate based on the plus/minus total and team pace. Using the team total minutes played and team's total point differential, you just find out what the data is per 48 minutes and then use the formula to calculate per 100 possessions.

Per 48 min * 100 / (team pace)

Below is an example of Barkley's offensive impact in 1992. His offensive plus minus total is +6313 (from Pollack's yearbook), and the Sixers that year scored a total of 8358 points. From there you fill in his MP (minutes played), etc.

http://i.imgur.com/JmFt9Qn.png (http://i.imgur.com/JmFt9Qn.png)


On basketball reference you find it under the on/off tab on a player's page. For instance, LeBron was +15.3 on offense in 2010.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/on-off/2010
Are those raw +/- in the 80's available for most teams? If so, where can I find them?

[PHILA]

Are those raw +/- in the 80's available for most teams? If so, where can I find them?
Only for the Sixers, fpliii posted them on RealGM but the link is down. Still plenty of discussion in the thread.

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=344&t=1343246&start=140#p41145804

[Pointguard]

And btw, Moses is underrated in all-time lists or when talking about peaks and such, but his skill is also overlooked...
He was a great finisher at the rim with some great layups, he had a good jumper from close to the paint, had some post-moves, had a very solid - even if akward - hookshot, he went to the line a whole lot and hit FT's at a nice rate, obviously with great rebounding fundamentals, even some pretty good defensive awareness, and you won't see many 6'10 bigmen doing this type of stuff:

http://i.imgur.com/MKQ2sgK.gif

Also very strong, pretty mobile, above average leaper, possessed terrifc "double-jumping" ability...
He was relentless af, never stopped coming at you, major motor and heart, with a big-time work-ethic (at least before 1984)...

I agree with most of what you wrote but he was one of the worse finishers I ever seen. But shot it soft enough that he could get the rebound a lot of the time. RIP but I'm sure he would agree.

[Round Mound]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CO9tZfMWwAAS7BO.jpg

:applause:

[SHAQisGOAT]

I agree with most of what you wrote but he was one of the worse finishers I ever seen. But shot it soft enough that he could get the rebound a lot of the time. RIP but I'm sure he would agree.

Totally disagree... To me, speaking of centers, prime Moses is one of the greatest finishers at the rim of all-time.

He got hacked a whole lot and yes, he threw up plenty of wild shots in order to get the rebound in a better position to score... But he could connect on some great layups and circus-shots, had a pretty good soft-touch, could finish extremely well through major contact, could even do it with some dunking...

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/vr2jT2.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/gr2F38.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/ydoJFo.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/0XEvpe.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/N4zfot.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/EdwMyF.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/kWihlp.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/nTsjOt.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/Eeom3x.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-16-2015/iaZQzg.gif

[Lebron23]

Why do you always posts in bold letters?? Are you related to Round Mound???

[Pointguard]

[B]Totally disagree... To me, speaking of centers, prime Moses is one of the greatest finishers at the rim of all-time.

He got hacked a whole lot and yes, he threw up plenty of wild shots in order to get the rebound in a better position to score... But he could connect on some great layups and circus-shots, had a pretty good soft-touch, could finish extremely well through major contact, could even do it with some dunking...



I agree he could make some great shots but please name me a player you saw miss more shots from seven feet and in than Mo. Sobeit, they would be considered "controlled misses" but you can't be a great finisher and miss a ton of point blank shots. That was just his game.

[ArbitraryWater]

people like to romanticize at this point.

Not sure how convincing these gifs are based on his average game, but he definitely wasn't one of the best finishers ever.

[SHAQisGOAT]

people like to romanticize at this point.

Not sure how convincing these gifs are based on his average game, but he definitely wasn't one of the best finishers ever.

:rolleyes:

I've said that plenty of times before, don't give me that bullshit...

At the center position? In my opinion? Again, he was one of the best finishers ever at the rim...
Think I've seen considerably more NBA basketball than you to make a better judgment or to speak better on this subject, plus, you should learn how to read correctly (I've said one of the best finishers ever at the 5).

What can I do besides show some gifs with his great finishing skills? Force you to see all of his online footage? Transport what I've seen from my mind to yours?
At least I've shown something, 10 gifs at that, while you just stand there and say "definitely wasn't" based mostly off of thin air :rolleyes: Asking how convincing those gifs are.....

I'm not saying that because he just died, like I've stated I've said that before, and he's not even one of my favorite players ever... So what gives? :confusedshrug: :rolleyes:

Oh, and do you realize that Moses was #2 in the league in PPG for two seasons? Do you know he once scored over 30 PPG? While his FG% was in the 50's percentile in those years... He had to be great in various scoring "areas" to accomplish something like that, shit's far from easy and few centers have done it...

[Hey Yo]

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