Wait how did 18 year old Skinny LeBron average 21/6/5 as a rookie?

[dubeta]

How did a skinny, raw LeBron jump out of High School and average 21/6/5?


People said:

-He didnt have a jumpshot

-No 3 point game

-Poor footwork

-No iso skills




Yet 21/6/5 in the league. Thats like Star/Superstar numbers out of HS


Why hasnt any other High School player average that? Heck most 2-3 year college pros couldnt average that as a rookie.



Why only LeBron?

[KembaWalker]

Great numbers

Shame wasn't enough to make the playoffs the first two years, with an all-star caliber big man I must add

[AnaheimLakers24]

Playoffs?

[warriorfan]

lebron had an nba ready body at age 16

[sportjames23]

Great numbers

Shame wasn't enough to make the playoffs the first two years, with an all-star caliber big man I must add


Big Lebron fan here, but even I have to agree it was a shame he wasn't good enough to make the playoffs his first two years.

[dubeta]

Not making playoffs as a rookie is better than:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416276/bryant-airball-o.gif


:lol

[sportjames23]

Not making playoffs as a rookie is better than:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416276/bryant-airball-o.gif


:lol


Big Kobe fan here, but even I have to admit that was embarrassing.

[The_Yearning]

Pretty much the same thing he does now. He's got speed, strength, and durability.

He shot the ball whenever he wanted, he had the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and he played nearly 40 minutes a game.

Anyone with those things can average those numbers. He was only shooting 42%.

[KembaWalker]

Not making playoffs as a rookie is better than:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416276/bryant-airball-o.gif


:lol

It's really not, personally I'd much rather be in the playoffs

[SouBeachTalents]

:lol at Kobe stans criticizing LeBron's first two years

[dubeta]

I thought Kobe is more skilled than lebron, better iso game, better midrange (you, know the kobe 'myths')



1st Season

LeBron - 21/6/5

Kobe - 7/1/1


2nd Season

LeBron - 27/7/7

Kobe - 15/3/2


GOD DAMN :lol

[outbreak]

Bad team and NBA ready body. Elite athleticism.

MCW averaged 17pts 6apg 6rbpg. Not saying he is ANYWHERE near lebron was as a rookie but it shows situation and opportunity can help give a boost.

[HylianNightmare]

MaN child

[dubeta]

Bad team and NBA ready body. Elite athleticism.

MCW averaged 17pts 6apg 6rbpg. Not saying he is ANYWHERE near lebron was as a rookie but it shows situation and opportunity can help give a boost.

MCW was also 21 as a rookie, the point of this thread is High School players specifically



MCW at 21 - 17/6/6

LeBron at 21- 31/7/7

[outbreak]

I thought Kobe is more skilled than lebron, better iso game, better midrange (you, know the kobe 'myths')



1st Season

LeBron - 21/6/5

Kobe - 7/1/1


2nd Season

LeBron - 27/7/7

Kobe - 15/3/2


GOD DAMN :lol

First season:
Kobe 15mpg
Lebron 39mpg

Second season:
Kobe 26mpg
Lebron 42mpg

[outbreak]

MCW was also 21 as a rookie, the point of this thread is High School players specifically



MCW at 21 - 17/6/6

LeBron at 21- 31/7/7

Makes no difference though. I said lebron was NBA ready in his rookie year but the minutes played and opportunities he got helped his numbers. If you can't admit that you are a stan of the highest calibre and there's no point me replying to you.

[KembaWalker]

First season:
Kobe 15mpg
Lebron 39mpg

Second season:
Kobe 26mpg
Lebron 42mpg

pretty much

[dubeta]

First season:
Kobe 15mpg
Lebron 39mpg

Second season:
Kobe 26mpg
Lebron 42mpg

Ok explain this:


3rd season

Kobe 38 mins

LeBron 39 mins


Kobe- 19/5/4

LeBron - 31/7/7

[imdaman99]

Didn't even deserve ROY, Melo should have won but of course the media slurps Lebron. I don't even like Melo.

[20Four]

Not making playoffs as a rookie is better than:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416276/bryant-airball-o.gif


:lol

Big leBRONZE fan here but at least kobe's was in a playoff game where as lebronze was during WARMUP

http://i.imgur.com/Du9nMhc.gif

[outbreak]

Ok explain this:


3rd season

Kobe 38 mins

LeBron 39 mins


Kobe- 19/5/4

LeBron - 31/7/7

http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Shaquille-ONeal-2111.jpg

[warriorfan]

Bring leBRONZE fan here but at least kobe's was in a playoff game where as lebronze was during WARMUP

http://i.imgur.com/Du9nMhc.gif

when he blows into his hand at the end...

:roll:

[KembaWalker]

http://cdn.nextimpulsesports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Shaquille-ONeal-2111.jpg

pretty much

[GrapeApe]

Lebron had an NBA ready body as a sophomore in HS. He was a freak of nature. When Lebron entered the league he was already above average size for his position.

As far as the numbers he averaged, impressive for sure, but he was basically given free reign from day one.

[iTare]

Big leBRONZE fan here but at least kobe's was in a playoff game where as lebronze was during WARMUP

http://i.imgur.com/Du9nMhc.gif
isnt that worse tho? idiot.

[dubeta]

isnt that worse tho? idiot.

Dont worry, he only gets 5 min breaks in between shifts, not enough time to develop coherent arguments with sound structure and reasoning.

[JT123]

I thought Kobe is more skilled than lebron, better iso game, better midrange (you, know the kobe 'myths')



1st Season

LeBron - 21/6/5

Kobe - 7/1/1


2nd Season

LeBron - 27/7/7

Kobe - 15/3/2


GOD DAMN :lol
I am the biggest Kobe stan on this forum, but HOLY SHIT that is embarrassing! :(
My favorite player doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the King.

[dubeta]

I am the biggest Kobe stan on this forum, but HOLY SHIT that is embarrassing! :(
My favorite player doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as the King.

i know bro :(

Kobe spent half his career as a role-player

[Coach Eddie]

How did a skinny, raw LeBron jump out of High School and average 21/6/5?


People said:

-He didnt have a jumpshot

-No 3 point game

-Poor footwork

-No iso skills




Yet 21/6/5 in the league. Thats like Star/Superstar numbers out of HS


Why hasnt any other High School player average that? Heck most 2-3 year college pros couldnt average that as a rookie.



Why only LeBron?

Nice troll effort :applause:

[DonDadda59]

I thought Kobe is more skilled than lebron, better iso game, better midrange (you, know the kobe 'myths')



1st Season

LeBron - 21/6/5

Kobe - 7/1/1


2nd Season

LeBron - 27/7/7

Kobe - 15/3/2


GOD DAMN :lol

League in Bean's first 2 seasons = Strong, no place for weak ass High School kids fresh from prom.

League in Bron's first 2 seasons = Weak, High School kids fresh from prom being drafted #1.

League in Bean's 10th season, Bron's 3rd = Weakest defensive era ever. Both dudes had career scoring highs along with every other perimeter player.

[dubeta]

League in Bean's first 2 seasons = Strong, no place for weak ass High School kids fresh from prom.

League in Bron's first 2 seasons = Weak, High School kids fresh from prom being drafted #1.

League in Bean's 10th season, Bron's 3rd = Weakest defensive era ever. Both dudes had career scoring highs along with every other perimeter player.

Then how come lebrons the only HS kid with 21/6/5 ? Where are all the other HS'ers taking advantage of the 'weak' league?

[Jameerthefear]

Dont worry, he only gets 5 min breaks in between shifts, not enough time to develop coherent arguments with sound structure and reasoning.
:roll:
someone needs to send that bitch back to work, I want my fries hot and salty!

[20Four]

:roll:
someone needs to send that bitch back to work, I want my fries hot and salty!
Stop quoting what your customers told your boss about you

[dubeta]

:roll:
someone needs to send that bitch back to work, I want my fries hot and salty!

:lol :oldlol:

[JZ600]

And dont forget the fkin ketchup.
Thats the worst

[DonDadda59]

Then how come lebrons the only HS kid with 21/6/5 ? Where are all the other HS'ers taking advantage of the 'weak' league?

Weak ass twig Durant (only player at the draft combine who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs bench) at the same age as Bron (19):

20/4/2 (43%)

Did that looking like a toddler playing in his dad's clothes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/27/26/04/27260432df6be163da24675c253becd8.jpg

:durantunimpressed:

[20Four]

Weak ass twig Durant (only player at the draft combine who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs bench) at the same age as Bron (19):

20/4/2 (43%)

Did that looking like a toddler playing in his dad's clothes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/27/26/04/27260432df6be163da24675c253becd8.jpg

:durantunimpressed:
GOT EM!!! :cheers:

[Spurs m8]

Either way, 2/6

[Bankaii]

Weak ass twig Durant (only player at the draft combine who couldn't do a single rep of 185 lbs bench) at the same age as Bron (19):

20/4/2 (43%)

Did that looking like a toddler playing in his dad's clothes.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/27/26/04/27260432df6be163da24675c253becd8.jpg

:durantunimpressed:
If only 6'10 toddlers existed..
You also left out the part where Durant is one of the best scorers in history in any era.

[kennethgriffin]

:lol at Kobe stans criticizing LeBron's first two years


we criticize his entire career



1.5 for 6
colluding
ring chasing
ray allen shot
lockouts
flopping
traveling
bad footwork
ugly jumpshot
no mid range
leastern conference
quitting 2011
cramps
earned not given shirt
check my stats shirt
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7
the decision
flashing small dick
headbands to hide hairline
hair transplants
the chosen 1 tattoo
witness?
powder tossing
confiscating tapes of him getting dunked on
crab dribbles
king james?
4 espn mvps?
espy for best championship performer when he lost?
shooting 27% beyond 5 feet in the 2015 finals
losing finals mvps to a role player
losing finals mvps to another role player a year later
forcing wiggins out of town for a stretch 4
talking in the 3rd person
HGH
sending birthday cakes back and refusing to pay for them
letting your teammate f*ck your mom
his moms a prostitute
his dad walked out on him
he bites his nails
"nobody should wear #23" ( changes back to #23 a few years later )






seriously... the man is a f*cking trainwreck

[Nets fan 93]

He had the ball in his hands a lot. He was the point guard for the cavs his first year.

[Wade's Rings]

Great numbers

Shame wasn't enough to make the playoffs the first two years, with an all-star caliber big man I must add

Excellent Post :applause:

[dubeta]

Excellent Post :applause:

Didnt Prime Wade win 15 games and miss the playoffs with Prime Marion, and Ricky Davis? :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

If only 6'10 toddlers existed..
You also left out the part where Durant is one of the best scorers in history in any era.

Durant gets bodied Kobe style in the handchecking era.

Dude is legit the weakest player to ever go through the draft combine but the era he plays in is so weak he has 4 scoring titles and counting. :yaohappy:

[warriorfan]

we criticize his entire career



1.5 for 6
colluding
ring chasing
ray allen shot
lockouts
flopping
traveling
bad footwork
ugly jumpshot
no mid range
leastern conference
quitting 2011
cramps
earned not given shirt
check my stats shirt
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7
the decision
flashing small dick
headbands to hide hairline
hair transplants
the chosen 1 tattoo
witness?
powder tossing
confiscating tapes of him getting dunked on
crab dribbles
king james?
4 espn mvps?
espy for best championship performer when he lost?
shooting 27% beyond 5 feet in the 2015 finals
losing finals mvps to a role player
losing finals mvps to another role player a year later
forcing wiggins out of town for a stretch 4
talking in the 3rd person
HGH
sending birthday cakes back and refusing to pay for them
letting your teammate f*ck your mom
his moms a prostitute
his dad walked out on him
he bites his nails
"nobody should wear #23" ( changes back to #23 a few years later )






seriously... the man is a f*cking trainwreck

as a lebron fan I have to say that this hurts

[Wade's Rings]

Didnt Prime Wade win 15 games and miss the playoffs with Prime Marion, and Ricky Davis? :oldlol:

Bron missed the Playoffs with Prime Ricky Davis & Prime Boozer while Wade was hitting Game Winners in the Playoffs :oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20150731/5235908/wade-gamewinner-vs-hornets-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/20150731/5235911/gamewinner-vs-hornets-2004-game-5-o.gif

[Wade's Rings]

Durant gets bodied Kobe style in the handchecking era.

Dude is legit the weakest player to ever go through the draft combine but the era he plays in is so weak he has 4 scoring titles and counting. :yaohappy:

What do you mean by this?

[Bankaii]

Durant gets bodied Kobe style in the handchecking era.

Dude is legit the weakest player to ever go through the draft combine but the era he plays in is so weak he has 4 scoring titles and counting. :yaohappy:
Surprising, another MJ Stan saying dumb shit to prop their idol.
80s was weak af as far as defense goes.
How does it feel knowing that Durant is already a better shooter than your idol this young. You better pray he doesn't develop a post game.

[DonDadda59]

What do you mean by this?

I mean look at all the frail teenagers that entered the league in the 90s when physicality was allowed. Look at how they performed their first few years, then imagine this dude in the same situation:


According to the newspaper, the report said Durant was ranked 78th out of 80 NBA prospects who worked out at Orlando, while Ohio State center Greg Oden had an impressive workout.

According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925



http://images.maxpreps.com/site_images/editorial/article/e/6/7/e67bdf3b-d64f-4590-85b3-f98733859314/b61a7c92-e56b-e211-a211-002655e6c126_original.jpg

Absolutely BODIED.

[Wade's Rings]

Surprising, another MJ Stan saying dumb shit to prop their idol.
80s was weak af as far as defense goes.
How does it feel knowing that Durant is already a better shooter than your idol this young. You better pray he doesn't develop a post game.

Damn Jordan Stans are shaking in their boots :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Surprising, another MJ Stan saying dumb shit to prop their idol.
80s was weak af as far as defense goes.
How does it feel knowing that Durant is already a better shooter than your idol this young. You better pray he doesn't develop a post game.

Dude can't get post position on 6'4" Tony Allen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um96aNyokXc)

:yaohappy:

[Wade's Rings]

I mean look at all the frail teenagers that entered the league in the 90s when physicality was allowed. Look at how they performed their first few years, then imagine this dude in the same situation:


According to the newspaper, the report said Durant was ranked 78th out of 80 NBA prospects who worked out at Orlando, while Ohio State center Greg Oden had an impressive workout.

According to the Times, Durant was the only prospect at camp who failed to bench press 185 pounds, and finished behind Oden in some key drills, including the vertical leap, agility drill and three-quarter court sprint.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2007/news/story?id=2894925



http://images.maxpreps.com/site_images/editorial/article/e/6/7/e67bdf3b-d64f-4590-85b3-f98733859314/b61a7c92-e56b-e211-a211-002655e6c126_original.jpg

Absolutely BODIED.

Oh ok I see where you're coming from.

[eurobum]

Not making playoffs as a rookie is better than:


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view/416276/bryant-airball-o.gif


:lol

This guy literally can't keep track of the bullsh*t he spews. Isn't it you or one of your many alts that constantly use the exact inverse of this argument in favor of Lebron James? -- making a trip to the finals and losing is better than being ousted in the playoffs before the finals.

:coleman:

[Bankaii]

Dude can't get post position on 6'4" Tony Allen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Um96aNyokXc)

:yaohappy:
Yea right now my hamster has a stronger post up.
But if he can build some lower body strength... GOAT scorer.

[DonDadda59]

Oh ok I see where you're coming from.

The NBA in the 90s was no place for kids, even if they were ATG precocious ones like KD.

http://www.rksportspromotions.com/sites/default/files/1367-1399.jpg

http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tmac_kings.jpg

http://ext.pimg.tw/cyc0320/1317922028-306470777.jpg

All BULLIED and BODIED their first few seasons in a man's game during the 90s before the league became pu$$ified and then they dominated. Durant is lucky to have come along at the time he did.


Yea right now my hamster has a stronger post up.
But if he can build some lower body strength... GOAT scorer.

8 years into his career he can't post up 6'4" dudes when he himself is damn near 7 ft tall.

But keep hope alive that it will happen eventually.

[dubeta]

The NBA in the 90s was no place for kids, even if they were ATG precocious ones like KD.

All BULLIED and BODIED their first few seasons in a man's game during the 90s before the league became pu$$ified and then they dominated. Durant is lucky to have come along at the time he did.



8 years into his career he can't post up 6'4" dudes when he himself is damn near 7 ft tall.

But keep hope alive that it will happen eventually.


Lets be real rookie LeBron would have still dominated the 90's

[72-10]

Lets be real rookie LeBron would have still dominated the 90's

Kind of doubt it, not with hand checking being legal

[Meticode]

Skinny compared to how he is now? Sure, but he wasn't skinny by any account. 6'8" 240 when he was drafted.

[DonDadda59]

Lets be real rookie LeBron would have still dominated the 90's

Bron can hide his weak handles and piss poor iso skills in this era.

But with handchecking allowed (https://youtu.be/5X-VaAqPqmY?t=38s)? Now imagine if instead of an old, broken down lion like Beans it was a prime Pippen.

BODIED.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7BAUOpJDVe4/UZ0bnGrVIhI/AAAAAAAAAnE/hsdsTEYw0uw/s1600/kobe-laughing_1350060747.gif

[Hey Yo]

Pretty much the same thing he does now. He's got speed, strength, and durability.

He shot the ball whenever he wanted, he had the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and he played nearly 40 minutes a game.

Anyone with those things can average those numbers. He was only shooting 42%.
is that why Ricky Davis, Boozer and Ilgauskas all avg. 15ppg that year?

[dubeta]

Bron can hide his weak handles and piss poor iso skills in this era.

But with handchecking allowed (https://youtu.be/5X-VaAqPqmY?t=38s)? Now imagine if instead of an old, broken down lion like Beans it was a prime Pippen.

BODIED.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7BAUOpJDVe4/UZ0bnGrVIhI/AAAAAAAAAnE/hsdsTEYw0uw/s1600/kobe-laughing_1350060747.gif

So one player in the entire league can stop rookie lebron, what about the other 28 teams they play?

Rookie LeBron wouldve been a top 10 player in the 90's

[KembaWalker]

is that why Ricky Davis, Boozer and Ilgauskas all avg. 15ppg that year?

So LeBron missed the playoffs with 3 other 15ppg scorers, ouch

[Hey Yo]

Bron missed the Playoffs with Prime Ricky Davis & Prime Boozer while Wade was hitting Game Winners in the Playoffs :oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20150731/5235908/wade-gamewinner-vs-hornets-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/20150731/5235911/gamewinner-vs-hornets-2004-game-5-o.gif
LOL @ Boozer''s 2nd year in the league considered "prime"

you're always reachin', brah

[Hey Yo]

So LeBron missed the playoffs with 3 other 15ppg scorers, ouch
No, Ilgauskas did.

It was his team

[Lebronxrings]

so now people are hating on rookie lebron? what else is new.

[KembaWalker]

No, Ilgauskas did.

It was his team

21/6/5 19FGA

or

15/8/1 12FGA

It was Ilgauskas team for sure :biggums:

[DonDadda59]

So one player in the entire league can stop rookie lebron, what about the other 28 teams they play?

If a broken down Bean simply doing a bit of old school full court handchecking can make a PRIME BRON look like a CYO basketball scrub, then I'm pretty sure more than one person would be able to stop him. :lol

Bron could do well if he learned how to play off ball, post up and shoot more from mid range. His ballhandling skills in a physical era doe... well, you saw the video. :ohwell:


Rookie LeBron wouldve been a top 10 player in the 90's

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww40/Nickybarnes/Mobile%20Uploads/26358617-D80F-4A5E-AA0A-31445136A54E.gif

[LoneyROY7]

I like skinny LeBron.

[dubeta]

LOL @ Boozer''s 2nd year in the league considered "prime"

you're always reachin', brah


LOL dont mind him


Wade's Rings* is a full-on troll

[tpols]

All BULLIED and BODIED their first few seasons in a man's game during the 90s before the league became pu$$ified and then they dominated. Durant is lucky to have come along at the time he did.
.

they didn't dominate because the league became soft...




http://www.rksportspromotions.com/sites/default/files/1367-1399.jpg.

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4cdcdc624bd7c817150c0000-480/kobe-bryant.jpg



http://www.nba.com/media/playerfile/tmac_kings.jpg .

https://nationalbasketblogassociation.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/t-mac.jpg



http://ext.pimg.tw/cyc0320/1317922028-306470777.jpg .

http://www.oddjack.com/wp-content/kevin_garnett2.jpg

they dominated because they simply got.. bigger. went from 18 to early/mid 20s, any human grows and gets stronger. But yes, their success is only attributable to "the league got pussified".:facepalm :oldlol:


KD has a special skillset, hes a 7 foot knockdown shooter, like Dirk but faster. The 90's wouldn't even know what to do against him. It'd be like ralph sampspon all of a sudden torching teams for 60+TS on long bombs.. they'd just be scratching their heads.

[dubeta]

they didn't dominate because the league became soft...





they dominated because they simply got.. bigger. went from 18 to early/mid 20s, any human grows and gets stronger. But yes, their success is only attributable to "the league got pussified".:facepalm :oldlol:


KD has a special skillset, hes a 7 foot knockdown shooter, like Dirk but faster. The 90's wouldn't even know what to do against him. It'd be like ralph sampspon all of a sudden torching teams for 60+TS on long bombs.. they'd just be scratching their heads.


That still doesnt explain how exactly LeBron was able to buck the trend and average 21/6/5 as a rookie out of high school

[Hey Yo]

21/6/5 19FGA

or

15/8/1 12FGA

It was Ilgauskas team for sure :biggums:
Z was an all-star the year before and was a 6yr vet for the Cavs

Why make yourself look foolish when you obviously didn't see him play 15yrs ago??

[Lebronxrings]

Bron missed the Playoffs with Prime Ricky Davis & Prime Boozer while Wade was hitting Game Winners in the Playoffs :oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20150731/5235908/wade-gamewinner-vs-hornets-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/20150731/5235911/gamewinner-vs-hornets-2004-game-5-o.gif
without lebron, your name would be wades *ring

[DonDadda59]

they didn't dominate because the league became soft...




http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4cdcdc624bd7c817150c0000-480/kobe-bryant.jpg



https://nationalbasketblogassociation.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/t-mac.jpg



https://andoutcomethetimberwolves.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/kgkg.jpg?w=614

they dominated because they simply got.. bigger. went from 18 to early/mid 20s, any human grows and gets stronger. But yes, their success is only attributable to "the league got pussified".:facepalm :oldlol:

You're just reinforcing my point without even realizing it. :oldlol:

Skinny KG, Kobe, T-Mac = 7-10 PPG in the 90s.

Skinny Durant who couldn't bench a single rep of 185 in the 00s = 20 PPG.

Put frail ass Durant at the same ages as those guys in the 90s, same result.



KD has a special skillset, hes a 7 foot knockdown shooter, like Dirk but faster. The 90's wouldn't even know what to do against him. It'd be like ralph sampspon all of a sudden torching teams for 60+TS on long bombs.. they'd just be scratching their heads.

They'd just get Joe Dumars to lock him up. :yaohappy:

[dubeta]

without lebron, your name would be wades *ring

:lol :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

So LeBron missed the playoffs with 3 other 15ppg scorers, ouch

You beat me to it :D

[Hey Yo]

they didn't dominate because the league became soft...




http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/4cdcdc624bd7c817150c0000-480/kobe-bryant.jpg



https://nationalbasketblogassociation.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/t-mac.jpg



http://www.oddjack.com/wp-content/kevin_garnett2.jpg

they dominated because they simply got.. bigger. went from 18 to early/mid 20s, any human grows and gets stronger. But yes, their success is only attributable to "the league got pussified".:facepalm :oldlol:


KD has a special skillset, hes a 7 foot knockdown shooter, like Dirk but faster. The 90's wouldn't even know what to do against him. It'd be like ralph sampspon all of a sudden torching teams for 60+TS on long bombs.. they'd just be scratching their heads.
When talking about the 90's, why show pics of McGrady, Kobe and KG together? KoME and Tracy's careers as "starters" didn't happen till the 99-00 season.

KG was a starter his rookie year in 95'

[Wade's Rings]

LOL @ Boozer''s 2nd year in the league considered "prime"

you're always reachin', brah

Wade was in his Prime in his 2nd Year :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

nah, because kobe, tmac and kg needed their athleticism/strength to be as good as they were.. it was integral to their games. KD just exploits a freak height/length/skill advantage. If 7 foot teenage KG could make contested threes and midrange all game long at a 40+% clip he'd have dominated back then too

If you dropped KD in the 90's, at that time, he'd be the best 3 pt shooter of all time.. at 7 feet tall. He'd be like a 7 foot Reggie Miller who could put the ball on the floor at least a bit, and with better playmaking, defense, rebounding, etc.

[Wade's Rings]

LOL dont mind him


Wade's Rings* is a full-on troll

I see you're still holding that L from yesterday.

[Wade's Rings]

without lebron, your name would be wades *ring

Without Wade your name would be Lebron0rings

[catch24]

Kobe, LeBron and Durant would all be better players in the 90s.

Kobe was already the games best perimeter scorer in 2001, a time when defenses were at their absolute best statistically.

[DonDadda59]

nah, because kobe, tmac and kg needed their athleticism/strength to be as good as they were.. it was integral to their games. KD just exploits a freak height/length/skill advantage. If 7 foot teenage KG could make contested threes and midrange all game long at a 40+% clip he'd have dominated back then too


KG came into the league with a polished post and mid range game. He was noted as being a bit of a game changer because he had nice range, not quite 3-point level but 18+ ft out.

He was 6'11" and much stronger than KD at the same age. He only averaged 10 PPG his rookie season.


If you dropped KD in the 90's, at that time, he'd be the best 3 pt shooter of all time.. at 7 feet tall. He'd be like a 7 foot Reggie Miller who could put the ball on the floor at least a bit, and with better playmaking, defense, rebounding, etc.

He wouldn't have the space or offensive freedom to operate then as he does now. He and others like Curry or Harden can literally pull up at any time for jumpers and the only thing defenders can do is wave hello to them. Notice how old school shooters like Reggie were genius level off-ball players who had to fight off multiple screens just to get open looks. It was the only way they could get clean looks off in a physical game.

The biggest reason for the rise in 3-point shooting has been the gradual removal of physicality on the perimeter. It was a process that actually started in the mid 90s (same time the line was moved temporarily). Look at the # of 3s teams were attempting in '90 compared to '00, then compare the latter to the # now.

[DonDadda59]

Kobe, LeBron and Durant would all be better players in the 90s.

All the star perimeter players who were drafted in the mid 90s didn't have their career best scoring seasons until the rule changes of the mid 00s. But I'm sure that was just an elaborate and convenient league-wide coincidence.


Kobe was already the games best perimeter scorer in 2001, a time when defenses were at their absolute best statistically.

What stats are you looking at? Depending on what stat you're looking at, you could make a case for several time periods. In '99 teams were averaging like 91.6 PPG on 43.7% FG. :confusedshrug:

[KembaWalker]

Z was an all-star the year before and was a 6yr vet for the Cavs

Why make yourself look foolish when you obviously didn't see him play 15yrs ago??

Yeah a year before, when Bron wasn't there

LeBron was given the keys from the get go

:roll: :roll: :roll: at it being Ilgauskas' team

Equal 3rd in PPG, 4th in FGA, yet it was his team, iight

[pauk]

It's really not, personally I'd much rather be in the playoffs

Kindof contradictive to the general kobetard "2/6, its better/more prestigious to miss finals/playoffs than to lose in finals/playoffs" logic tho....

[BlakFrankWhite]

20 year old skinny Durant... Averaged 30/8/3

:bowdown:

[catch24]

All the star perimeter players who were drafted in the mid 90s didn't have their career best scoring seasons until the rule changes of the mid 00s. But I'm sure that was just an elaborate and convenient league-wide coincidence.



What stats are you looking at? Depending on what stat you're looking at, you could make a case for several time periods. In '99 teams were averaging like 91.6 PPG on 43.7% FG. :confusedshrug:

IIRC from 2000-2005, the league had the lowest DRTG --> Pace rating in history. Not only that, but handchecking was still legal.

At the very least, those guys I mentioned would be better defensive players in the 90s. All three were unequivocally better than any perimeter player save for Jordan, so...

[GimmeThat]

21/6/5 as the number 1 pick on a lottery pick team, in all honesty, doesn't mean all that much.

27/7/7 as the second year in the league tho.


that summarizes the max rookie extension

[bobopenguin]

pls compare melo's first year and bran's first year. and teams record before and year.

i am bran's biggest stan, but i have admit Melo was the true rookie of the year.

[Gileraracer]

we criticize his entire career



1.5 for 6
colluding
ring chasing
ray allen shot
lockouts
flopping
traveling
bad footwork
ugly jumpshot
no mid range
leastern conference
quitting 2011
cramps
earned not given shirt
check my stats shirt
not 1 not 2 not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7
the decision
flashing small dick
headbands to hide hairline
hair transplants
the chosen 1 tattoo
witness?
powder tossing
confiscating tapes of him getting dunked on
crab dribbles
king james?
4 espn mvps?
espy for best championship performer when he lost?
shooting 27% beyond 5 feet in the 2015 finals
losing finals mvps to a role player
losing finals mvps to another role player a year later
forcing wiggins out of town for a stretch 4
talking in the 3rd person
HGH
sending birthday cakes back and refusing to pay for them
letting your teammate f*ck your mom
his moms a prostitute
his dad walked out on him
he bites his nails
"nobody should wear #23" ( changes back to #23 a few years later )






seriously... the man is a f*cking trainwreck


Damn ... good resume

[sportjames23]

Didnt Prime Wade win 15 games and miss the playoffs with Prime Marion, and Ricky Davis? :oldlol:


*sees dubeta got banned again*

Got 'em! :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Bron missed the Playoffs with Prime Ricky Davis & Prime Boozer while Wade was hitting Game Winners in the Playoffs :oldlol:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view8/20150731/5235908/wade-gamewinner-vs-hornets-o.gif

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view2/20150731/5235911/gamewinner-vs-hornets-2004-game-5-o.gif


Bodied. :cheers:

[sportjames23]

Bron can hide his weak handles and piss poor iso skills in this era.

But with handchecking allowed (https://youtu.be/5X-VaAqPqmY?t=38s)? Now imagine if instead of an old, broken down lion like Beans it was a prime Pippen.

BODIED.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-7BAUOpJDVe4/UZ0bnGrVIhI/AAAAAAAAAnE/hsdsTEYw0uw/s1600/kobe-laughing_1350060747.gif


Why you do 'em like that, DonDadda? :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

Without Wade your name would be Lebron0rings


Cot dayum. :oldlol:

[Clifton]

I remember Bron's first game. 20/8/8. But not only that, watching him you knew he'd be the best player in the league by the time he was old enough to drink.

You've got to appreciate a guy who was a sure thing, coming to the NBA and totally following through on everything. Magic, Kareem too. They come in and never for one moment disappoint.

I don't know if there were ever other guys as highly recruited and considered to be sure things as Kareem, Magic, and Lebron were, but I'm sure there's at least one who came in and didn't become a top 3 player. That's a lot of weight on a guy's shoulders.

[TheBigVeto]

He be better than Kobe since his rookie year.

[Wade's Rings]

Bodied. :cheers:


Cot dayum. :oldlol:

:cheers:

[Spaulding]

Pretty much the same thing he does now. He's got speed, strength, and durability.

He shot the ball whenever he wanted, he had the ball in his hands the majority of the time, and he played nearly 40 minutes a game.

Anyone with those things can average those numbers. He was only shooting 42%.

Well "anyone with those things can average those numbers" would mean that person is Lebron James...

[72-10]

Well "anyone with those things can average those numbers" would mean that person is Lebron James...

You're aware he's not the only player to do that, right?

[bobopenguin]

still waiting for dubeta to post melo's first year states and how has that improves nuggets record when compares to the previous season.

----

Melo played in more games
Melo had the better FG%
Melo had the better 3 point %
Melo had the better free throw %
Melo had more points
Melo had more rebounds
Melo had less turnovers

Lebron had more Steals, blocks, and assists.

Melo's team won 43-39 and made the playoffs with 0 all-star teammates.
Lebron's team was 35-47 and missed the playoffs with 2 all-star teammates (Zydrunas Ilgauskas and Carlos Boozer).

[JtotheIzzo]

How did a skinny, raw LeBron jump out of High School and average 21/6/5?


People said:

-He didnt have a jumpshot

-No 3 point game

-Poor footwork

-No iso skills




Yet 21/6/5 in the league. Thats like Star/Superstar numbers out of HS


Why hasnt any other High School player average that? Heck most 2-3 year college pros couldnt average that as a rookie.



Why only LeBron?

Revisionist history's finest hour from one of ISH's least fine posters.

Here are some actual scouting reports:
[QUOTE]Simply one of the best high school players in the last decade. Whatever you have heard about him is true. He

[Spaulding]

You're aware he's not the only player to do that, right?

Of course. My response was really meant to express that just because a player would have access to those talents and opportunities doesn't mean they would accomplish those numbers.

[Lebron23]

Lebron was already a grown man at age 18. He was 245 lbs.

[DoctorP]

LeBron was awesome as a rookie. He had an amazing feel for the game and was a pure floor general and his shot was not bad. His talent was unquestionable.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Lebron was already a grown man at age 18. He was 245 lbs.
Damn thats the same weight of you and your immediate fam all added up

[West-Side]

How did a skinny, raw LeBron jump out of High School and average 21/6/5?


People said:

-He didnt have a jumpshot

-No 3 point game

-Poor footwork

-No iso skills




Yet 21/6/5 in the league. Thats like Star/Superstar numbers out of HS


Why hasnt any other High School player average that? Heck most 2-3 year college pros couldnt average that as a rookie.



Why only LeBron?


622 for 1492 = 41.7% from the field.
.438 from 2PT%.

[ArbitraryWater]

It's really not, personally I'd much rather be in the playoffs

its really not about where you'd rather be but what was better, individually.. try to keep that in mind, moron :cheers:

[Lebron23]

Damn thats the same weight of you and your immediate fam all added up


OK Poser. Posting a video and pictures of another guy. I have a theory that you are either Simon, or another stupid Asian who thinks he's black.

You should have posted a better picture of the guy because the one you posted looks ugly, two penises can easily fit inside his big nostril, and he has down syndrome.

Looks like the type of guy you see at the Mental Hospital.

[KembaWalker]

its really not about where you'd rather be but what was better, individually.. try to keep that in mind, moron :cheers:
:roll: :roll:
So now missing the playoffs is better then making em and bricking a couple shots? Okay

Isn't this the stan group who argues against missing the finals is better than making em....logic

[tmacattack33]

Great numbers

Shame wasn't enough to make the playoffs the first two years, with an all-star caliber big man I must add

Yep, it sure was a shame that a 19 year old wasn't good enough to bring a team from the worst record in the league to a playoff team.

But hey, 7 years later when he left Cleveland, they went from the best record in the league to one of the worst. So there you go.