the John Stockton All-Skills team

[kennethgriffin]

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/history/legends/john-stockton/john-stockton.jpg



C - Hakeem Olajuwon

F - Kevin Garnett

F - Larry Bird

G - Kobe Bryant

G - John Stockton



all these guys could dominate even if they switched bodies with mugsey bougues

[ralph_i_el]

CP3 is the starting point.

AI as SG

How is KG the most skilled 4? Dirk or Duncan IMO. KG was a great and very skilled player, but his greatest strength was length and athleticism. I'd say even Kevin Love has better skill than KG.

[kennethgriffin]

CP3 is the starting point.

AI as SG

How is KG the most skilled 4? Dirk or Duncan IMO. KG was a great player, but his greatest strength was length and athleticism. I'd say even Kevin Love has better skill than KG.


lmao

paul is not more skilled than stockton


and as for iverson. you do realize defense is an aspect of basketball right?

plus kobe had post moves. iverson didnt



and duncan is very skilled for a PF... but his game would fail in a smaller body. limited range, average handles.. not a freelancing player like KG was.

dirk doesnt match up to kg's defense

and LOL@love

[ralph_i_el]

lmao

paul is not more skilled than stockton


and as for iverson. you do realize defense is an aspect of basketball right?

plus kobe had post moves. iverson didnt



and duncan is very skilled for a PF... but his game would fail in a smaller body. limited range, average handles.. not a freelancing player like KG was.

dirk doesnt match up to kg's defense

You said "they'd dominate even if they switched bodies with mugsy bouges"

AI would, Kobe would not.

[ralph_i_el]

lmao

paul is not more skilled than stockton


and as for iverson. you do realize defense is an aspect of basketball right?

plus kobe had post moves. iverson didnt



and duncan is very skilled for a PF... but his game would fail in a smaller body. limited range, average handles.. not a freelancing player like KG was.

dirk doesnt match up to kg's defense

You said "they'd dominate even if they switched bodies with mugsy bouges"

AI would, Kobe would not. How do you know AI didn't have post moves? When would teams want to post up their 5'11 170 lb guard? But in this hypothetical, we are getting rid of differences in size.


Obviously defense is part of skill, but part of defense is athleticism and length....which is where KG had his advantage. Take that away and is he a better defender than Duncan? Or Dirk? If they all had the same body, who would be the best player? I'll take the guys that can shoot 3's.

Love is extremely skilled. He's like 6'8" with average athleticism and averaged 26ppg for a top-10 offense, all while being the best passer at his position and being near the league lead in post efficiency. Give him the same body as Garnett and he's CLEARLY the better player.

[Akrazotile]

Small ball, three guard lineup:

Nash
Stockton
Paul
Lebron
Pippen


Unreal combined skill level :eek:

[kennethgriffin]

You said "they'd dominate even if they switched bodies with mugsy bouges"

AI would, Kobe would not.


are you f*cking retarded lol

kobes been a first team all nba player even well past his prime and after a ton of surgeries, relying on long range shooting for half his career, footwork, pump fakes etc... no real speed. just timing

kobe hasnt had that peak athleticism since 2003 when he got injured in the playoffs. that knee surgery took half his hops away. hasnt done a windmill since

then he coasted on good athleticism from 2004 till 2008

then average athleticism for 2009-2010

then shit athleticism for 2011-2012

he had an ok year athletically in 2013 before the achilles injury

then last year with absolutely no speed, no hops, no athleticism he lead the league in scoring on iversonesq crap percentages






iverson relied heavily on his all time quickness and legendary speed to blow by people.


once he wasnt faster than everyone else he bottomed out of the nba after only his 13th season. by then he was washed up




kobe has way more fundamentals and polished skills than iverson.


do your homework bro

[Straight_Ballin]

Real talk... if you give Spud Webb Vince Carters body, his waist would be at 10ft rim level on every dunk.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

I think SF is the only obvious one............

CP3 or Stockton
MJ or Kobe
Bird
KG, Dirk or Timmy
Hakeem or Walton

[kennethgriffin]

Real talk... if you give Spud Webb Vince Carters body, his waist would be at 10ft rim level on every dunk.



i think gravity, body mass, bone density, muscle twitch/elasticity has allot to do with the reason small guys have nearly twice the verticality that someone 6-8 has

[ralph_i_el]

are you f*cking retarded lol

kobes been a first team all nba player even well past his prime and after a ton of surgeries, relying on long range shooting for half his career, footwork, pump fakes etc... no real speed. just timing

kobe hasnt had that peak athleticism since 2003 when he got injured in the playoffs. that knee surgery took half his hops away. hasnt done a windmill since

then he coasted on good athleticism from 2004 till 2008

then average athleticism for 2009-2010

then shit athleticism for 2011-2012

he had an ok year athletically in 2013 before the achilles injury

then last year with absolutely no speed, no hops, no athleticism he lead the league in scoring on iversonesq crap percentages






iverson relied heavily on his all time quickness and legendary speed to blow by people.


once he wasnt faster than everyone else he bottomed out of the nba after only his 13th season. by then he was washed up




kobe has way more fundamentals and polished skills than iverson.


do your homework bro

Would all that footwork and post game skills work if Kobe was under 6' tall? Nope!

And AI was blackballed....do your homework bro.
AI as a midget>Kobe as a midget
Obviously real life Kobe was the better player, but we aren't talking about that.

[Akrazotile]

I think SF is the only obvious one............

CP3 or Stockton
MJ or Kobe
Bird
KG, Dirk or Timmy
Hakeem or Walton


:coleman:

[Straight_Ballin]

i think gravity, body mass, bone density, muscle twitch/elasticity has allot to do with the reason small guys have nearly twice the verticality that someone 6-8 has

How many guys do you know of that could jump like spud webb at that height? Nate robinson is the closest we've seen. You give those guys a body like VC and it's over. You are combining the mentality of dunking while being that small and putting it into one of the greatest dunking bodies of all time. There's really no telling. Half of dunking is mental. Trust me, I've dunked on people and it isn't just "hops".

[kennethgriffin]

I think SF is the only obvious one............

CP3 or Stockton
MJ or Kobe
Bird
KG, Dirk or Timmy
Hakeem or Walton


Mj is on the all athlete team.. lets be honest. he dominated 70% of his career just by being stronger/faster/quicker and jumping twice as high as anyone who was guarding him or matched up with him

jordan had a ton of skills. but not quite as many as kobe.





Wilt Chamberlain All-Athlete team


http://www.algemeiner.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Wilt_Chamberlain_harlem-e1381708235639.jpg


C - Wilt

F - Blake

F - Lebron

G - Vince

G - Jordan

[SHAQisGOAT]

PG: CP3, Nash, even a few others

SG: Pistol Pete, most likely

SF: Bird

PF: probably KG

C: Hakeem or Walton... wild card would be Jack Sikma, he could shoot (even 3's), had some post-game, could hit FT's at 85+%, could pass, rebound and defend, was not close to a great athlete but was tall and big...

[kennethgriffin]

Would all that footwork and post game skills work if Kobe was under 6' tall? Nope!

And AI was blackballed....do your homework bro.
AI as a midget>Kobe as a midget
Obviously real life Kobe was the better player, but we aren't talking about that.


if a 6-5 kobe can post up a 6-8 lebron, 6-9 tmac or a 6-11 durant

then an under 6 foot kobe can utilize a few back down and fade manouvers on a 6-1 or 6-2 point guard

little a** andre miller posted up a ton of bigger guys


not that kobe would even need to considering mugsey had speed. kobe would just do his dribble pull up shot most of the time. or run a pick and roll for an open jumper or free lane to a layup


kobe has all the skills. more than A.I

especially on defense. iverson couldnt stop anyone. he was the worst defender. always playing the passing lanes to pad assists like a f*ggot

[ShawkFactory]

PG: CP3, Nash, even a few others

SG: Pistol Pete, most likely

SF: Bird

PF: probably KG

C: Hakeem or Walton... wild card would be Jack Sikma, he could shoot (even 3's), had some post-game, could hit FT's at 85+%, could pass, rebound and defend, was not close to a great athlete but was tall and big...

Thank you.

I know this thread was made to prop up Kobe but Pistol had some of the best skills ever.

His highlight reel is unbelievable.

[Straight_Ballin]

jordan had a ton of skills. but not quite as many as kobe.

Lol the only thing Kobe could do better was range, everything else kobe is deficient skill wise. You could put them both in the same body and skill vs skill, there is no comparison. Jordan would dominate. That's why when his body was shut down during the flu game, he still dominated on skills alone, something no other player has ever even come close to replicating. Sweating bullets and struggling to stand or sit upright during breaks in play, and leaning heavily on teammates late in the game.

[kennethgriffin]

PG: CP3, Nash, even a few others

SG: Pistol Pete, most likely

SF: Bird

PF: probably KG

C: Hakeem or Walton... wild card would be Jack Sikma, he could shoot (even 3's), had some post-game, could hit FT's at 85+%, could pass, rebound and defend, was not close to a great athlete but was tall and big...



if pistol was as skilled as kobe he would have lasted more than 10 years in the nba

[Rocketswin2013]

Paul
Ginobili
Mullin
Dirk
Robinson

[ralph_i_el]

if a 6-5 kobe can post up a 6-8 lebron, 6-9 tmac or a 6-11 durant

then an under 6 foot kobe can utilize a few back down and fade manouvers on a 6-1 or 6-2 point guard

little a** andre miller posted up a ton of bigger guys


not that kobe would even need to considering mugsey had speed. kobe would just do his dribble pull up shot most of the time. or run a pick and roll for an open jumper or free lane to a layup


kobe has all the skills. more than A.I

especially on defense. iverson couldnt stop anyone. he was the worst defender. always playing the passing lanes to pad assists like a f*ggot

Andre miller is like 6'3"
AI wasn't "the worst defender" he just couldn't defend 2's due to SIZE which is something that we aren't including in this hypothetical. He won acc defensive player of the year in college. He defended 1's well.


Just for shits and giggles, I threw on a 5 minute highlight reel of just Kobe post moves, and the biggest guy he posted up was Nic Batum. Almost all the guys he was posting up were decently smaller than him.

I'd take AI's off ball game over Kobe's post skills if they were both sub-6'

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Paul
Ginobili
Mullin
Dirk
Robinson
Mullin over Bird is as retarded as it gets.:lol :lol Bird literally did everything better:lol

Robinson was mostly athletic gifts, he isnt even top 5 most skilled.

Manu is top 5 but not more skilled than Kobe or MJ.

[ShawkFactory]

if pistol was as skilled as kobe he would have lasted more than 10 years in the nba
You really are blissfully ignorant aren't you :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Lol the only thing Kobe could do better was range, everything else kobe is deficient skill wise. You could put them both in the same body and skill vs skill, there is no comparison. Jordan would dominate. That's why when his body was shut down during the flu game, he still dominated on skills alone, something no other player has ever even come close to replicating. Sweating bullets and struggling to stand or sit upright during breaks in play, and leaning heavily on teammates late in the game.


better left handed shot outside the paint
better play maker ( lead all 5 title teams in apg, pippen lead all 6 title teams )
better contested/bad shot maker from anywhere
better beyond 12 feet midrange to three and beyond
better post hook, scoop right or left hand
better floater
better pivot moves
better pump fake/foul drawer
better longevity


jordan was really only just a slightly better defender, better slasher, better shots inside or close... which kobe was an expert at aswell..

[AirFederer]

CP3
James Harden
Bird
McHale
Hakeem

I`m picking guys who used their skills more than their size, speed etc

[ralph_i_el]

CP3
James Jarden
Bird
McHale
Hakeem
Ooh I forgot about McHale. Makes me want to go ball right now and go old school on some kids.

[AirFederer]

Ooh I forgot about McHale. Makes me want to go ball right now and go old school on some kids.

Me too. But I get injured too easy at my age, so had to quit for my own good..:cry:

[Rocketswin2013]

Mullin over Bird is as retarded as it gets.:lol :lol Bird literally did everything better:lol

Robinson was mostly athletic gifts, he isnt even top 5 most skilled.

Manu is top 5 but not more skilled than Kobe or MJ.
Mullin did things better than Bird... Who are the 5 centers better than Robinson at handling, passing and shooting the ball?

Tbh, Boris Diaw could be once of the most skilled PF's ever now that I think about it.

[Straight_Ballin]

better left handed shot outside the paint
better play maker ( lead all 5 title teams in apg, pippen lead all 6 title teams )
better contested/bad shot maker from anywhere
better beyond 12 feet midrange to three and beyond
better post hook, scoop right or left hand
better floater
better pivot moves
better pump fake/foul drawer
better longevity


jordan was really only just a slightly better defender, better slasher, better shots inside or close... which kobe was an expert at aswell..

I could name everything Jordan was better at but it would take forever.
Better longevity? How is that a skill?!

[ralph_i_el]

Me too. But I get injured too easy at my age, so had to quit for my own good..:cry:
That sucks man :(
I'm only 23, but I didn't start playing bball (often) until I was 20. I'm super sick today otherwise I'd be out there. I wish I had started way earlier. It's a pain to find a water polo game now that I'm out of school.

[AirFederer]

That sucks man :(
I'm only 23, but I didn't start playing bball until I was 20. I'm super sick today otherwise I'd be out there.
39 here. I had to promise the wife to quit when I had my second injury (broken fingers, sprained ankle etc) in a couple of months, just when we got our third kid. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted :(

You have a lot of great bball in front of you :cheers:

[ralph_i_el]

39 here. I had to promise the wife to quit when I had my second injury (broken fingers, sprained ankle etc) in a couple of months, just when we got our third kid. Oh well, it was fun while it lasted :(

You have a lot of great bball in front of you :cheers:

Well you have 3 kids to carry the torch!:rockon: teach em well brother

[AirFederer]

Well you have 3 kids to carry the torch!:rockon: teach em well brother

I will:rockon:

[SHAQisGOAT]

if pistol was as skilled as kobe he would have lasted more than 10 years in the nba

Ever heard about his devastating knee injuries in 1978 :rolleyes: :facepalm And back then they didn't have that "miracle stuff" in Germany and so on...

Dude could shoot it from anywhere in numerous ways, just a great scorer, did it with or without the ball, had one of the GOAT handles, some of the best passing skills and creativity, great footwork, made crazy layups, used both hands, could post-up and connect on hook-shots, "created" many moves... Magnificent skills honed in.
Also was tall and a nice overall athlete though...with good intangibles and in "better situations" he could've been at least a top30 all-time player.

You're acting like I'm saying he was a better overall player than Kobe or something :rolleyes:

[SHAQisGOAT]

Mullin did things better than Bird... Who are the 5 centers better than Robinson at handling, passing and shooting the ball?

Tbh, Boris Diaw could be once of the most skilled PF's ever now that I think about it.

Mullin was crazy skilled but please... There's no way he's more skilled than Larry.

I'd say that Walton, Hakeem, Cowens, Sikma, Daugherty... were more SKILLED centers than D-Rob.

Boris Diaw is not #1 or something but definitely a good mention.

[Smoke117]

Mullin was crazy skilled but please... There's no way he's more skilled than Larry.

I'd say that Walton, Hakeem, Cowens, Sikma, Daugherty... were more SKILLED centers than D-Rob.

Boris Diaw is not #1 or something but definitely a good mention.

...right. They were not more skilled. You can be as athletic as Lebron doesn't mean you are going to play great basketball. Look at someone like Deandre Jordan...athletic as any basketball player ever, but not close to the basketball player Robinson was. Drob is definitely the best ball handler ever at the Center position...he was a legit one man fast break 90-96 and was taking everyone off the dribble in the post.

[kennethgriffin]

Ever heard about his devastating knee injuries in 1978 :rolleyes: :facepalm And back then they didn't have that "miracle stuff" in Germany and so on...

Dude could shoot it from anywhere in numerous ways, just a great scorer, did it with or without the ball, had one of the GOAT handles, some of the best passing skills and creativity, great footwork, made crazy layups, used both hands, could post-up and connect on hook-shots, "created" many moves... Magnificent skills honed in.
Also was tall and a nice overall athlete though...with good intangibles and in "better situations" he could've been at least a top30 all-time player.

You're acting like I'm saying he was a better overall player than Kobe or something :rolleyes:

http://media.giphy.com/media/Xpenk1cvTdFUA/giphy.gif




kobe = devastating wrist injury 1997 = fracture
kobe = devastating ankle injury 1998 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2000 = fractured metacarpel
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2000 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2001 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating viral infection 2001 = poisoning
kobe = devastating knee injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating finger injury = laceration index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2005 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2007 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2007 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2007-2010 = Hand injuries

https://thevividintellect.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/a0nzvhua.jpeg

kobe = devastating hand injury 2010 = avulsion fracture index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2010 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2011 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2013 = torn achilles tendon
kobe = devastating knee injury 2014 = fractured knee
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2015 = torn ligament

[ShawkFactory]

http://media.giphy.com/media/Xpenk1cvTdFUA/giphy.gif




kobe = devastating wrist injury 1997 = fracture
kobe = devastating ankle injury 1998 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2000 = fractured metacarpel
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2000 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2001 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating viral infection 2001 = poisoning
kobe = devastating knee injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating finger injury = laceration index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2005 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2007 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2007 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2007-2010 = Hand injuries

https://thevividintellect.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/a0nzvhua.jpeg

kobe = devastating hand injury 2010 = avulsion fracture index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2010 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2011 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2013 = torn achilles tendon
kobe = devastating knee injury 2014 = fractured knee
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2015 = torn ligament
A simple no would have sufficed.

[Smoke117]

A sprain nor a fracture is a "devastating" injury. Frankly out all these listed only the achilles tendon was a devastating injury. Bones heal stronger and sprains aren't a big deal. A devastating injury is one that is career changing.

[ralph_i_el]

A sprain or a facture is not a "devastating" injury. Frankly out all these listed only the achilles tendon was a devastating injury. Bones heal stronger and sprains aren't a big deal. A devastating injury is one that his career changing.

I was going to post this, but then I realized that Kenneth is to stubborn to care. I honestly can't tell if he's a legitimate idiot, or he's just messing with us.

This forum would get cleaned up real quick if they brought back negs, and then dropped bans on the 10 red bar mother****ers.

[Akrazotile]

kenneth :roll:

[KG215]

better left handed shot outside the paint
better play maker ( lead all 5 title teams in apg, pippen lead all 6 title teams )
better contested/bad shot maker from anywhere
better beyond 12 feet midrange to three and beyond
better post hook, scoop right or left hand
better floater
better pivot moves
better pump fake/foul drawer
better longevity


jordan was really only just a slightly better defender, better slasher, better shots inside or close... which kobe was an expert at aswell..
I trust that you've watched hours of Jordan games/tape to arrive at these very specific conclusions?

Because, if not and as usual, you're full of shit.

[SHAQisGOAT]

...right. They were not more skilled. You can be as athletic as Lebron doesn't mean you are going to play great basketball. Look at someone like Deandre Jordan...athletic as any basketball player ever, but not close to the basketball player Robinson was. Drob is definitely the best ball handler ever at the Center position...he was a legit one man fast break 90-96 and was taking everyone off the dribble in the post.

Imo, one could say that they were...
-Sikma was a better shooter (not scorer), who even had seasons at 90% from the FT-line or shooting 38% from deep on 2.7 attempts. Jack didn't have handles like Robinson but I'd say he was a better pure passer. He also had a good post-game, great defensive fundamentals without being a great athlete, and was a great rebounder.
-Daugherty had a better post-game and was a better passer.
-Cowens was a better passer and shooter, also posted similar TRB% numbers without being as good of an athlete.

With that said, let's not act like I've even assumed that D-Rob was not very skilled, because he definitely was... You don't get to do what he did without being really skilled, and on top of that he was an athletic freak, unlike Sikma, Daugherty or Cowens... Also not meaning that those dudes were below average athletes, dude like Cowens was a very good one.

[KG215]

I was going to post this, but then I realized that Kenneth is to stubborn to care. I honestly can't tell if he's a legitimate idiot, or he's just messing with us.

This forum would get cleaned up real quick if they brought back negs, and then dropped bans on the 10 red bar mother****ers.
Griff could make up his mind that Kobe could beat a grizzly bear or silverback gorilla in a fight, and no matter how many facts and sound arguments you build, he'd keep shifting the goalposts, posting completely and totally subjective information, using 1st grade logic, and ignoring all context and still swear up and down he's right and you're wrong.

[toxicxr6]

lmao

paul is not more skilled than stockton


and as for iverson. you do realize defense is an aspect of basketball right?

plus kobe had post moves. iverson didnt



and duncan is very skilled for a PF... but his game would fail in a smaller body. limited range, average handles.. not a freelancing player like KG was.

dirk doesnt match up to kg's defense

and LOL@love

Get Kobe off that list seriously he belongs no where near it.. Your list is fail, just like you, just like your mum and just like your imaginary girlfriend

And you once again display that you have no idea what you are talking about. One of the points that was made about Tim Duncan when he was drafted was that he would be a very good player even if he was shorter.. Once again a complete fail you are

[TheBigVeto]

Kobe does not belong in that list.

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe does not belong in that list.



the only shooting guards that even come close to kobes level of skill are tmac/maravich

da f*ck are people all p*ssy about


what? you all want jordan there? cause he was soooo reliant on overcoming physical shortcomings

pffft


give jordan kobes leg injuries and small hands. put him in an era with real competition at shooting guard. and he plays way worse. trust me

[ralph_i_el]

the only shooting guards that even come close to kobes level of skill are tmac/maravich

da f*ck are people all p*ssy about


what? you all want jordan there? cause he was soooo reliant on overcoming physical shortcomings

pffft


give jordan kobes leg injuries and small hands. put him in an era with real competition at shooting guard. and he plays way worse. trust me
you're the only one getting "p1ssy" in this thread.

[icewill36]

i feel like stockton is overrated

i just think he wouldnt be as good if had to play outside of jerry sloans system.
just look at deron williams :confusedshrug:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Hakeem
KG
Bird
Jordan/Kobe
Stockton/CP3

Whatever advantage Stock has on defense, Chris counters offensively. Better handle and ability to create his shot, etc.

[stalkerforlife]

http://media.giphy.com/media/Xpenk1cvTdFUA/giphy.gif




kobe = devastating wrist injury 1997 = fracture
kobe = devastating ankle injury 1998 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2000 = fractured metacarpel
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2000 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2001 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating viral infection 2001 = poisoning
kobe = devastating knee injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating finger injury = laceration index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2005 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2007 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2007 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2007-2010 = Hand injuries

https://thevividintellect.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/a0nzvhua.jpeg

kobe = devastating hand injury 2010 = avulsion fracture index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2010 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2011 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2013 = torn achilles tendon
kobe = devastating knee injury 2014 = fractured knee
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2015 = torn ligament

:applause:

[Xiao Yao You]

i feel like stockton is overrated

i just think he wouldnt be as good if had to play outside of jerry sloans system.
just look at deron williams :confusedshrug:

Put up his best numbers running Showtime off the floor in the '88 playoffs under Frank Layden's system not Jerry's half court system.

[toxicxr6]

:(
the only shooting guards that even come close to kobes level of skill are tmac/maravich

da f*ck are people all p*ssy about


what? you all want jordan there? cause he was soooo reliant on overcoming physical shortcomings

pffft


give jordan kobes leg injuries and small hands. put him in an era with real competition at shooting guard. and he plays way worse. trust me


Why would anyone trust you? Your the worst poster on this forum