Is LeBron James the only player that can play/start all 5 positions?

[Fudge]

AND be successful at it?

I can't think of anybody else.

[ralph_i_el]

He'd be exploited by a lot of good centers

[34-24 Footwork]

Dude can't even guard kwahi Leonard.

But sure, he'd handle Demarcus Cousins like no other.

[72-10]

In history or now

[kennethgriffin]

dubeta tells people lebron is the same size as kobe though

how can this be!?!

:roll:

[triangleoffense]

This is true he could probably score at every position.. much like a Magic Johnson. Drob could defend all 5 positions though.

[34-24 Footwork]

Yes. He would have success against the DJ Mbengas and Austin Rivers of the world.

[Smoke117]

I'd take Kevin Garnett and Scottie Pippen over Lebron in this regard.

[72-10]

Certainly everyone is familiar with Paul Westphal's remark on MJ during the '93 Finals? Of course Jordan didn't really have length though so he wouldn't make a good center.

[72-10]

I'd take Kevin Garnett and Scottie Pippen over Lebron in this regard.

excellent choices:applause:

[JohnMax]

Lebron has T-rex arms. Draymond Green is longer than him.


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[AnaheimLakers24]

2/6>0*/1

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Bron is the only athlete in sports history that would be a HOFer in 4 different sports at 26 different positions.

[ralph_i_el]

Lebron has T-rex arms. Draymond Green is longer than him.


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Draygod might have caught a 3 seconds in the paint foul there. It was close. It's fairly easy for most NBA players to score 1-on-1 when they catch the ball inside the restricted area...

[Dro]

I'd take Kevin Garnett and Scottie Pippen over Lebron in this regard.
I agree, I'd take KG too...This Lebron can play every position thing is overblown. Sure he can guard the smallish, perimeter oriented pf's and c's of today but he's not guarding charles barkley, Karl Malone, prime Tim Duncan, or even some of the lesser known PF's from back in the day. Today's game is more finesse.

[outbreak]

:facepalm

I thought this opinion had well and truly been put to rest by now.

We've seen he can't guard quicker guards
We've seen he can't guard post players
We've seen he can't guard the teams best player even when they play the same position

He's the best in the league, great player, but stop spewing bullshit for once.

[warriorfan]

Draygod might have caught a 3 seconds in the paint foul there. It was close. It's fairly easy for most NBA players to score 1-on-1 when they catch the ball inside the restricted area...

Dude is saying that if Lebron can supposedly play center he wouldn't be getting his lunch eaten by 6'5" dudes that suck at offense like Draymond Green.

[bizil]

I don't think there really is a player that can truly start at all five positions. Four is the max. Bron's problem would be guarding the big dominant centers. Or the PF's with a center's size like a Duncan. Overall, I think these guys are the closest ones that can play FOUR POSITIONS! Four positions should really be the barometer and not five:

Bron
KG
Magic
Pippen
G Hill
Anthony Mason
Odom
Kukoc
Durant
Greek Freak
Draymond

I'm sure there are some other guys potentially, but these guys were on the top of my head. When u factor in defense, it makes Bron, KG, Pippen, Mason, Dray, and Hill standout even more. All of them can defend LEGIT more positions WELL than guys like Magic, Kukoc, or Odom.

[KembaWalker]

Oh god the future Wilt stories

'LeBron once started at 5 positions, whilst coaching, with a side of commentary, all while being time keeper'

[sportjames23]

AND be successful at it?

I can't think of anybody else.


Big Lebron fan here, but even I don't think he can. I'd say he can play 2/6 positions.

[TripleA]

Big Lebron fan here, but even I don't think he can. I'd say he can play 2/6 positions.

This place has zero originality find better jokes.:sleeping

[ralph_i_el]

I don't think there really is a player that can truly start at all five positions. Four is the max. Bron's problem would be guarding the big dominant centers. Or the PF's with a center's size like a Duncan. Overall, I think these guys are the closest ones that can play FOUR POSITIONS! Four positions should really be the barometer and not five:

Bron
KG
Magic
Pippen
G Hill
Anthony Mason
Odom
Kukoc
Durant
Greek Freak
Draymond

I'm sure there are some other guys potentially, but these guys were on the top of my head. When u factor in defense, it makes Bron, KG, Pippen, Mason, Dray, and Hill standout even more. All of them can defend LEGIT more positions WELL than guys like Magic, Kukoc, or Odom.
:applause:
Kawhi getting there too

[sportjames23]

This place has zero originality find better jokes.:sleeping


You might wanna bounce your monkey ass outta here then. ISH ain't the place for originality.

[imdaman99]

I'd say he would make a pretty good mascot as well

[kennethgriffin]

kevin durant is the closest thing


hes a 6-11 shooting guard for god sake


ive seen him bring the ball up the floor a bunch


hes got ok handles

[Straight_Ballin]

:facepalm

I thought this opinion had well and truly been put to rest by now.

We've seen he can't guard quicker guards
We've seen he can't guard post players
We've seen he can't guard the teams best player even when they play the same position

He's the best in the league, great player, but stop spewing bullshit for once.

What else do you expect insecure stans to do but to start reaching? To admit that Lebron is 2/6 or something?

[34-24 Footwork]

Stans consistently and desperately looking for "alternative" criteria other than winning to propel his status.

[Fudge]

I still can't think of any other players.

[bizil]

kevin durant is the closest thing


hes a 6-11 shooting guard for god sake


ive seen him bring the ball up the floor a bunch


hes got ok handles

Durant qualifies for sure! Once he improved his passing and rebounding ability, it made him a guy who could play four positions. When he first came in the league, he was more of a guy who could play SF and SG. I think u could make the case that Durant has the BEST handles of any player 6'10 and up of all time!

[sd3035]

I think Durant is more versatile

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

KG is the only one thats been mentioned so far. Hes played PG for Wolves when Cassell went down, point center for Boston. PF, hes played SF and SG. Hes shut down players @ PG to dudes like peak TMac, to PFs to Cs. He has the skills, length, athleticism to do it.

players like Magic can play offense on all 5 positions but not defense. Draymond cant play either guard position even tho he can guard any position on defense. KG is the only one that could legit play offense and defense at any position. Most versatile player of alltime easily

[JT123]

Yes, yes he is

[bizil]

When it comes to KG, I've seen him LEGIT guard big swingmen all the way down to centers. However, playing as a point forward is DIFFERENT from playing as an actual point guard. For Minnesota, he played plenty of small forward, power forward, and as a point forward. But in order for him to be an ACTUAL big point guard (a role that Magic, Bron, Penny Hardaway, Pippen, Steve Smith, Jalen Rose, and G Hill have played), he would have had to be in a lineup with an SG, SF, PF, and C.

With that said, KG is the most versatile 7 footer of all time on both sides of the ball. Anthony Davis may the guy to take what KG did the to the next level in terms of 7 footer versatility. U can EASILY make the argument that peak KG is the most unique player of all time!

[aj1987]

Big Lebron fan here, but even I don't think he can. I'd say he can play 2/6 positions.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[sportjames23]

:lol :lol :lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

ive been studying the kings game since high school, huge fan of him. yet i will admit he can only play sf decently.. and still get his shit pushed in by kwahi and iggy :(

#kang

[schyza]

1980 NBA Finals: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar was the league's MVP. But midway through Game 5, the Lakers center suffered a severely sprained ankle. He managed to come back in the game in the 4th quarter to lead the Lakers to victory and a 3-2 lead in the best-of-seven series. But the Lakers still had to travel to Philadelphia for Game 6. Abdul-Jabbar was listed as out of Game 6, although 76ers coach Billy Cunningham was quoted as saying "I won't believe he's not playing until their plane lands and he's not on it." As it turned out, Kareem did not make the trip and was listed as doubtful if Game 7 had been needed.

In Game 6, Magic Johnson played what may have been the greatest game of his career. Playing on the road in Philadelphia, Magic (a 6'9" rookie point guard) started the game at center and eventually played all 5 positions in a dominating performance. Scoring a game-high 42 points and grabbing a game-high 15 rebounds

[Hey Yo]

"Jamaal “Silk” Wilkes outplayed Julius Erving in Game 6 with a career-high 37 points against Dr. J’s 27 to help the Lakers win the second title in franchise history. Game 6 was tied at the half, but the Lakers blew it open by scoring 14 straight points to start the 3rd quarter. Silk scored 16 points in the period and was the Lakers’ leading scorer until Magic passed him with some free throws when the 76ers started fouling at the end of the game. Wilkes also finished the game with 10 rebounds.

"Magic Johnson racked up 42 points, 15 rebounds and 7 assists as a rookie in Game 6 at Philadelphia after jumping center in place of the injured Kareem. The idea of Magic playing center for any significant portion of the game was a myth. Jim Chones spent most of the game in the middle and put up 11 points and 10 rebounds while Mark Landsberger grabbed 10 rebounds at power forward. Brent Musberger even says at the end of the game that Magic only “started” the game at center and played forward and guard the rest of the game. Regardless, the myth was born and Magic was crowned Finals MVP.

[Gileraracer]

LeBron can Play Small Forward and Power Forward. Thats it.

Fvcking Joakim Noah would be a better PG than LeBald.
Fvcking Pau Gasol would be a better SG than LeBron (27% outside 5ft)
Fvcking everybody taller than 6'8 is a better Center then LeBald.

Good try. Next.

[sd3035]

Let's see, he can't shoot, has no post moves, and can't defend anyone


So, any position that involves shooting, defending, or playing in the post is off limits

[BoutPractice]

You don't have to be a superstar to be able to do this.

The Greek Freak could conceivably be started at any position, and play that position well for the entire game. A full season, maybe not, but definitely one entire game.

Odom when he was younger.

Boris Diaw is another curious case: was drafted as a SG/SF, could play some PG (and did for a while, as a Sun… besides effectively being a "point" something at any position) then became a bigman for the Suns and Spurs (mostly PF but sometimes played small ball C as well.) He's also a well-rounded defender as evidenced by the great job he did against LeBron, a SF, while dealing mostly with bigmen during the season.

There's a case to be made that Diaw is the most versatile player ever to have never become a superstar (as well as one of the most naturally talented at basketball). One of very few players I wouldn't hesitate to call a basketball "genius". A complete chameleon… His ability to morph into anyone on the court even extended to his body - early in his career, he was very skinny, whereas on the Bobcats he was on a path to Tractor Traylor territory before the Spurs rescued him… Too bad his work ethic and and assertiveness aren't the greatest.

I'd be interested to watch how Pau does as PG/SG too. I'm not totally convinced it could work myself, I'd just love to see how he deals with the challenge.

[warriorfan]

Big Lebron fan here, but even I don't think he can. I'd say he can play 2/6 positions.

As a huge lebron stan I have to agree

[j3lademaster]

:facepalm

I thought this opinion had well and truly been put to rest by now.

We've seen he can't guard quicker guards
We've seen he can't guard post players
We've seen he can't guard the teams best player even when they play the same position

He's the best in the league, great player, but stop spewing bullshit for once.idk. He did a pretty good job on DRose in 2011, the epitome of a "quick guard". He defends his own position poorly.

Also I hope u don't consider Magic the goat pg, because perimeter scorers blew by him at will. According to your logic, Magic can't play pg.

[SwayDizzle]

ive been studying the kings game since high school, huge fan of him. yet i will admit he can only play sf decently.. and still get his shit pushed in by kwahi and iggy :(

#kang
i've been stanning the guy for years but i'd be utterly delusional to claim he can play all positions well based on what i've seen more recently in his career. there used to be a time when I could claim he could do it all :cry:

[theaussieguy]

KG is the only one thats been mentioned so far. Hes played PG for Wolves when Cassell went down, point center for Boston. PF, hes played SF and SG. Hes shut down players @ PG to dudes like peak TMac, to PFs to Cs. He has the skills, length, athleticism to do it.

players like Magic can play offense on all 5 positions but not defense. Draymond cant play either guard position even tho he can guard any position on defense. KG is the only one that could legit play offense and defense at any position. Most versatile player of alltime easily

why the fukkk EVEN say THAT you FUKKING piece of SHIT.

just youtubed, other than a few videos of fancy passes I can't see a PHUCKING SINGLE EXAMPLE (you fukkking sh!t kunt liar) of KG PLAYING a full time pg role.

[bizil]

People still confuse point guard and point forward. KG for all of his versatility, NEVER PLAYED PG in the NBA. KG's positions in the NBA were SF, point forward, PF, and C. On defense, I've seen him guard big SG's all the way to center. The fact that KG could do THESE THINGS at 7'0 well was AMAZING!! But to say he played STRAIGHT UP as a PG is a false statement.

Offensively, Magic, Pippen, Lebron, and G Hill are really the MAIN FOUR GUYS I recall playing as a PG, SG, SF, and PF. They all LEGIT played at those positions. When they played PG, they played with LEGIT SG's, SF's, PF's and C's. For example, Lebron started his career at the PG:

PG- Bron
SG- Ricky Davis
SF- Darius Miles
PF- Boozer
C- Big Z

With G Hill on Detroit, I remember him playing with Dumars (a long term SG) and Stackhouse (a long term swingman). But when it comes to guys taller than a Magic, u will likely find NO EXAMPLES of guys playing the PG position LEGIT! They are playing as a point forward (either through a SF or PF capacity).

[choppermagic]

As others have said, no way.

Big centers would kill him inside. And he doesn't have a good post offense game to even show up on that end.

Quick PGs would wear him out fast and he'd be useless as the game goes on.

SF/SG, yeah ok, depending on the match up, but we've seen role players turn into FMVP caliber players against Lebron in the Finals so his man to man defense has to be questioned.

If you reframe the question to who could DEFEND all five positions, and maybe get some garbage buckets, then i'd vote Dennis Rodman. Otherwise, Lebron would get destroyed by lots of star and non-star players out of position.

[pauk]

Yep.

[bizil]

As others have said, no way.

Big centers would kill him inside. And he doesn't have a good post offense game to even show up on that end.

Quick PGs would wear him out fast and he'd be useless as the game goes on.

SF/SG, yeah ok, depending on the match up, but we've seen role players turn into FMVP caliber players against Lebron in the Finals so his man to man defense has to be questioned.

If you reframe the question to who could DEFEND all five positions, and maybe get some garbage buckets, then i'd vote Dennis Rodman. Otherwise, Lebron would get destroyed by lots of star and non-star players out of position.

Good points! Defensively, Rodman is the most versatile player of all time. Overall (offense and defense), I think it comes down to Bron and KG for the most versatile of all time. Would people rather have Bron's PG to PF versatility. Or KG's supersized swingman-point forward to C versatility. I'm also including defensive versatility when looking at Bron and KG. Guys like Magic's are special due to their offensive versatility AND NOT their defensive versatility.

[90sgoat]

Lebron is not that versatile. He can guard SFs and SGs.

Lebron can't guard most PFs, he would get eaten alive by Tim Duncan, David West or that guy from the Hawks.

[bizil]

Lebron is not that versatile. He can guard SFs and SGs.

Lebron can't guard most PFs, he would get eaten alive by Tim Duncan, David West or that guy from the Hawks.

Bron is VERY VERSATILE!! Arguably the most versatile player of all time. Offensively, he can play PG to PF. Defensively, he can do the same. I don't think ANYBODY has proved they can play PG to C on both sides of the ball. BUT Lebron comes the closest to being able to play AND defend all five positions.

Certain PF's like a Duncan can give him trouble for sure. Because Duncan for all intents and purposes is a 7 foot center. BUT THE THING IS Lebron is STILL 6'8 and 250-260 pounds. He's just as big OR BIGGER than many PF's in the NBA. That's the size of Karl Malone!! But Malone was a natural 6'9 and 260 pounds in general. Lebron built his body into being that size. As he got older, Bron's body filled out. Malone was already that size coming into the leauge.

Guys like Kobe and MJ couldn't even DREAM about playing the PF position. But AT LEAST Bron has the size to do it. And on the offensive side of the court, Bron is a MAJOR MISMATCH for any PF. Bron ACTUALLY has a better chance of guarding them than the other way around.

These are facets people need to keep in mind when talking about versatility. Most players have a primary position AND secondary position. But some guys are SO VERSATILE that they can tack on one or two other positions and be good at them. It might not be their ideal position, but they have the size, athletic ability, toughness, or skillset to at least play them at times.

[90sgoat]

Bron is VERY VERSATILE!! Arguably the most versatile player of all time. Offensively, he can play PG to PF. Defensively, he can do the same. I don't think ANYBODY has proved they can play PG to C on both sides of the ball. BUT Lebron comes the closest to being able to play AND defend all five positions.

Certain PF's like a Duncan can give him trouble for sure. Because Duncan for all intents and purposes is a 7 foot center. BUT THE THING IS Lebron is STILL 6'8 and 250-260 pounds. He's just as big OR BIGGER than many PF's in the NBA. That's the size of Karl Malone!! But the thing is Malone was a natural 6'9 and 260 pounds in general. Lebron built his body into being that size. As he got older, Bron's body filled out. Malone was already that size coming into the leauge.

Guys like Kobe and MJ couldn't even DREAM about playing the PF position. But AT LEAST Bron has the size to do it. And on the offensive side of the court, Bron is a MAJOR MISMATCH for any PF. Bron ACTUALLY has a better chance of guarding them than the other way around. T

hese are facets people need to keep in mind when talking about versatility. EVERYBODY has a primary position AND secondary position. But some guys are SO VERSATILE that they can tack on two other positions and be good at them. It might not be their ideal position, but they have the size, toughness, or skillset to at least play them at times.

Tell me which power forwards with offensive game that Lebron has ever covered?

[ArbitraryWater]

Tell me which power forwards with offensive game that Lebron has ever covered?

David West, prime Stoudemire,

[bizil]

Tell me which power forwards with offensive game that Lebron has ever covered?

The POINT IS Lebron has enough size to play the PF position. That was my original point. Some PF's have different scoring skillsets. Some aren't really scoring minded. BUT Lebron has enough size to play the PF position. Guys like Kobe, Harden, and Wade AREN'T even capable of playing the PF position. Lebron AT LEAST has the size to play the PF position. Plus the TRULY GREAT SCORING PF's are gonna get their points anyway... Even if a prototypical PF is guarding them

Other than the long 6'10 to 7'0 PF's (guys like Davis, Duncan, Lamarcus, Pau), Lebron HEIGHT AND WEIGHT WISE matches up very well with other kinds of PF's. And ONCE AGAIN, Lebron is going to create mismatches on offense. Many teams have to change their lineups or do cross matchups to compensate.

[warriorfan]

The myth of kg continues. Dude tanked it with his own franchise, demanded 30 million dollars and then proceeded to choke on every playoff. He ****ed over the t wolves. Kg never won anything before he ran and pulled the original lebron move and colluded with two hall of famers.

On the other hand look at steph curry, took the team he was drafted with to a championship with 0 hof players. Something that kg never even came close to doing

[KembaWalker]

The myth of kg continues. Dude tanked it with his own franchise, demanded 30 million dollars and then proceeded to choke on every playoff. He ****ed over the t wolves. Kg never won anything before he ran and pulled the original lebron move and colluded with two hall of games.

On the other hand look at steph curry, took the team he was drafted with to a championship with 0 hof players. Something that kg never even came close to doing

They are quite similar, both lost out FMVPs to teammates

KG>Curry

[Wade's Rings]

The myth of kg continues. Dude tanked it with his own franchise, demanded 30 million dollars and then proceeded to choke on every playoff. He ****ed over the t wolves. Kg never won anything before he ran and pulled the original lebron move and colluded with two hall of famers.

KG got traded to Boston. Also, up until the trade he didn't want to leave Minnesota.



On the other hand look at steph curry, took the team he was drafted with to a championship with 0 hof players. Something that kg never even came close to doing

Iggy did a great job carrying that team with 0 HOFers :applause:

[warriorfan]

AMC was the best player in the finals and has zero hof teammates for help

Kollude Garnett was not the best player in the Finals and had to collude to a super team with multiple hofers to finally win and overcome his choking

[Fudge]

AMC was the best player in the finals and has zero hof teammates for help

Kollude Garnett was not the best player in the Finals and had to collude to a super team with multiple hofers to finally win and overcome his choking
Melt...

...Down.

[Hey Yo]

KG got traded to Boston. Also, up until the trade he didn't want to leave Minnesota.
He had a no trade clause in his contract. He had to agree to waive that for the trade to go down.

[warriorfan]

Melt...

...Down.

If anyone knows a thing or two about meltdowns its you. Get back to me when BMD and Westshook can win a chip like AMC. :oldlol:

[aj1987]

If anyone knows a thing or two about meltdowns its you. Get back to me when BMD and Westshook can win a chip like AMC. :oldlol:
Dat meltdown doe... :eek:

[Fudge]

Keep em coming. :applause:

These meltdowns taste DELICIOUS.

[Dro]

He had a no trade clause in his contract. He had to agree to waive that for the trade to go down.
But I would waive it too. If a team is trying to trade me, basically saying they don't want me anymore, why go against it? Who wants to play for a team that doesn't want them?

[warriorfan]

dWade can only win with collusion and hall of fame team mates so alpha male curry winning with zero makes me feel some type of way!

It's ok breh you will get over it

[aj1987]

It's ok breh you will get over it
http://i.imgur.com/eXAEQBZ.jpg

[Hey Yo]

But I would waive it too. If a team is trying to trade me, basically saying they don't want me anymore, why go against it? Who wants to play for a team that doesn't want them?
He still had the final say though. The only reason MInny was pushing for a trade was to clear cap space.

If KG didn't like the possible destination, then it was scrapped.

[red1]

how can someone be such a sore winner? I dont get it. warriorfan, just jump off a bridge already :roll:

[Wade's Rings]

AMC was the best player in the finals and has zero hof teammates for help

Kollude Garnett was not the best player in the Finals and had to collude to a super team with multiple hofers to finally win and overcome his choking

http://cdn.phillymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/USATSI_8638745_168380503_lowres.jpg


He had a no trade clause in his contract. He had to agree to waive that for the trade to go down.

What Dro said and I said he didn't want to get traded up to a certain point.

[4 Inches]

LeyBron phucking James

[Achilleas]

only player now than can play all 5 positions is draygod ,he can defend wings and bigs,he can handle,rebound,pass,and score

[Mr. Jabbar]

i've been stanning the guy for years but i'd be utterly delusional to claim he can play all positions :cry:

such honesty coming from a stan nonetheless. i think we can close this thread now :(

#kang

[MiseryCityTexas]

Lebron is more like Magic than Jordan.

[warriorfan]

rent free AMC's MVP '15 season is greater than anything dWade has every done and it's keeping the stans shook AF :roll:

[Wade's Rings]

rent free AMC's MVP '15 season is greater than anything dWade has every done and it's keeping the stans shook AF :roll:

http://www.nba.com/media/Wade_pg_060621.jpg

Only Alpha Male Iggy can relate :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

http://www.nba.com/media/Wade_pg_060621.jpg

Only Alpha Male Iggy can relate :oldlol:

HIt up anyone that knows 2 shits about basketball and they will tell you Curry in '15 was superior to anything your boy wade has ever done. You can keep your head in the sand and keep reliving 10 years ago with rose tinted glasses. Let me know how that works out for you.

[Wade's Rings]

No Finals MVP No Finals MVP No Finals MVP No Finals MVP No Finals MVP No Finals MVP...outplayed by a role player on the biggest stage of basketball

:cheers: :rockon:

[warriorfan]

:cheers: :rockon:

Yeah, you have no real argument. Thanks for proving my point.

[Wade's Rings]

Yeah, you have no real argument. Thanks for proving my point.

Your whole argument was that other people who watch basketball would take '15 Curry over Wade. What did you prove? What facts did you post? Your argument was to get answers from other people :roll:

[warriorfan]

Your whole argument was that other people who watch basketball would take '15 Curry over Wade. What did you prove? What facts did you post? Your argument was to get answers from other people :roll:

Look, you have already established you don't know shit about ball. I'm not going to sit here and explain why 2+2=4. '15 Curry was better than any version of Wade and it is what it is. Someday when you get over your love with Wade and take his posters down from your room you will start watching basketball and learn this stuff.

[Papaya Petee]

HIt up anyone that knows 2 shits about basketball and they will tell you Curry in '15 was superior to anything your boy wade has ever done. You can keep your head in the sand and keep reliving 10 years ago with rose tinted glasses. Let me know how that works out for you.

REGULAR SEASON
06 Wade- 27.4 PPG 6.7 APG 5.7 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.9 BPG
15 Curry- 23.8 PPG 7.7 APG 4.3 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.2 BPG

PLAYOFFS
06 Wade- 28.4 PPG 5.9 APG 5.7 RPG 2.2 SPG 1.1 BPG
15 Curry- 28.3 PPG 6.4 APG 5.0 RPG 1.9 SPG 0.1 BPG

FINALS
06 Wade- 34.7 PPG 3.9 APG 7.8 RPG 2.67 SPG 1.0 BPG
15 Curry- 26.0 PPG 6.3 APG 5.1 RPG 1.83 SPG 0.2 BPG


Better than anything Wades ever done huh? Aside from getting more assists as a PG for the best scoring team in the league, what exactly did Curry do "better" than Wade? Aside from losing FMVP to a bench player?

[Wade's Rings]

Look, you have already established you don't know shit about ball. I'm not going to sit here and explain why 2+2=4. '15 Curry was better than any version of Wade and it is what it is. Someday when you get over your love with Wade and take his posters down from your room you will start watching basketball and learn this stuff.

Yeah, you have no real argument. Thanks for proving my point.

[TheMarkMadsen]

uh what

[TripleA]

Lamar odom?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Stans consistently and desperately looking for "alternative" criteria other than winning to propel his status.

bran stans make excuses for why lebron can't win

bran stans make excuses for why Kobe can win

[warriorfan]

REGULAR SEASON
06 Wade- 27.4 PPG 6.7 APG 5.7 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.9 BPG
15 Curry- 23.8 PPG 7.7 APG 4.3 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.2 BPG

PLAYOFFS
06 Wade- 28.4 PPG 5.9 APG 5.7 RPG 2.2 SPG 1.1 BPG
15 Curry- 28.3 PPG 6.4 APG 5.0 RPG 1.9 SPG 0.1 BPG

FINALS
06 Wade- 34.7 PPG 3.9 APG 7.8 RPG 2.67 SPG 1.0 BPG
15 Curry- 26.0 PPG 6.3 APG 5.1 RPG 1.83 SPG 0.2 BPG


Better than anything Wades ever done huh? Aside from getting more assists as a PG for the best scoring team in the league, what exactly did Curry do "better" than Wade? Aside from losing FMVP to a bench player?

Raw box score stats... Doesn't even show efficiency... Yeah, you just exposed yourself. You don't know shit about bball. Next.

[Doranku]

REGULAR SEASON
06 Wade- 27.4 PPG 6.7 APG 5.7 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.9 BPG
15 Curry- 23.8 PPG 7.7 APG 4.3 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.2 BPG

PLAYOFFS
06 Wade- 28.4 PPG 5.9 APG 5.7 RPG 2.2 SPG 1.1 BPG
15 Curry- 28.3 PPG 6.4 APG 5.0 RPG 1.9 SPG 0.1 BPG

FINALS
06 Wade- 34.7 PPG 3.9 APG 7.8 RPG 2.67 SPG 1.0 BPG
15 Curry- 26.0 PPG 6.3 APG 5.1 RPG 1.83 SPG 0.2 BPG


Better than anything Wades ever done huh? Aside from getting more assists as a PG for the best scoring team in the league, what exactly did Curry do "better" than Wade? Aside from losing FMVP to a bench player?

http://massappeal.com/wp-content/uploads/dwade-damn-sip-water.gif

[72-10]

How does Curry's defense compare with Wade's?

[3ball]

PLAYOFFS
06 Wade- 28.4 PPG 5.9 APG 5.7 RPG 2.2 SPG 1.1 BPG
15 Curry- 28.3 PPG 6.4 APG 5.0 RPG 1.9 SPG 0.1 BPG

FINALS
06 Wade- 34.7 PPG 3.9 APG 7.8 RPG 2.67 SPG 1.0 BPG
15 Curry- 26.0 PPG 6.3 APG 5.1 RPG 1.83 SPG 0.2 BPG


One thing these stats don't show is that Curry gets more of his points off-ball and he's the more highly-assisted player - so his game fosters equal-opportunity and fits better into any offense.

Wade's approach was less optimal - when he put up his numbers in 2006, he was just going high-screen roll every play and being ball-dominant playground-style, which only worked because he had a 20/10 Shaq and 15/10/ 3 blk Alonzo wrecking shop inside.

Otoh, Curry fit his great stats into an optimal, equal-opportunity offense, which takes far more skill than Wade's playground ball - Similar to MJ (who also achieved elite stats in an equal-opportunity offense, not the more stat-friendly playground/aau offense that Wade and Lebron employ) Curry was able to win without ANY real post presence.

[TripleA]

One thing these stats don't show is that Curry gets more of his points off-ball and he's the more highly-assisted player - so his game fosters equal-opportunity and fits better into any offense.

Wade's approach was less optimal - when he put up his numbers in 2006, he was just going high-screen roll every play and being ball-dominant playground-style, which only worked because he had a 20/10 Shaq and 15/10/ 3 blk Alonzo wrecking shop inside.

Otoh, Curry fit his great stats into an optimal, equal-opportunity offense, which takes far more skill than Wade's playground ball - Similar to MJ (who also achieved elite stats in an equal-opportunity offense, not the more stat-friendly playground/aau offense that Wade and Lebron employ) Curry was able to win without ANY real post presence.

Alonzo Mourning 6 0 11.0 .692 .000 .667 .70 2.50 3.20 .0 .33 1.50 Blocks.67 2.30 4.3 Points

Shaq 6 6 35.2 .607 .000 .292 Free Throw 2.50 7.70 10.20 2.8 .50 .83 3.17 3.70 13.7 Points
*3brick your troll game has gone weak sauce you have just been caught.

[aj1987]

One thing these stats don't show is that Curry gets more of his points off-ball and he's the more highly-assisted player - so his game fosters equal-opportunity and fits better into any offense.

Wade's approach was less optimal - when he put up his numbers in 2006, he was just going high-screen roll every play and being ball-dominant playground-style, which only worked because he had a 20/10 Shaq and 15/10/ 3 blk Alonzo wrecking shop inside.

Otoh, Curry fit his great stats into an optimal, equal-opportunity offense, which takes far more skill than Wade's playground ball - Similar to MJ (who also achieved elite stats in an equal-opportunity offense, not the more stat-friendly playground/aau offense that Wade and Lebron employ) Curry was able to win without ANY real post presence.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[KembaWalker]

Wade>Curry

[TripleA]

Ah 3brick deleted his post.:lol
He just got destroyed.

[red1]

Wade>Curry
true. grass is also green and water is also wet

[KembaWalker]

true. grass is also green and water is also wet

Water>Grass

[red1]

Ah 3brick deleted his post.:lol
He just got destroyed.
alright, looks like a typical day on ISH

[red1]

Water>Grass
you never played Pokemon? bulbasaur wrecks squirtle

[KembaWalker]

you never played Pokemon? bulbasaur wrecks squirtle

Bulbasaur a lettuce

Blastoise>Venusaur

[red1]

Bulbasaur a lettuce

Blastoise>Venusaur
no man. not true

[KembaWalker]

no man. not true

Tell my Rival meet me at the Elite 4 with his Venusaur

Blastoise for the win 1...2...3

[ShawkFactory]

One thing these stats don't show is that Curry gets more of his points off-ball and he's the more highly-assisted player - so his game fosters equal-opportunity and fits better into any offense.

Wade's approach was less optimal - when he put up his numbers in 2006, he was just going high-screen roll every play and being ball-dominant playground-style, which only worked because he had a 20/10 Shaq and 15/10/ 3 blk Alonzo wrecking shop inside.

Otoh, Curry fit his great stats into an optimal, equal-opportunity offense, which takes far more skill than Wade's playground ball - Similar to MJ (who also achieved elite stats in an equal-opportunity offense, not the more stat-friendly playground/aau offense that Wade and Lebron employ) Curry was able to win without ANY real post presence.
You realize that when you lie about numbers as excessively as you do it proves over and over again that you don't actually have a good point?

Of course you do :lol

[warriorfan]

Alonzo Mourning 6 0 11.0 .692 .000 .667 .70 2.50 3.20 .0 .33 1.50 Blocks.67 2.30 4.3 Points

Shaq 6 6 35.2 .607 .000 .292 Free Throw 2.50 7.70 10.20 2.8 .50 .83 3.17 3.70 13.7 Points
*3brick your troll game has gone weak sauce you have just been caught.

Those were their stats BEFORE playing with DWade. As 3ball mentioned earlier when you dominate the ball so frequently and then rely on high screens to get penetration...you aren't really helping your team much. If Wade had good shooting and the ability to play off ball he could create space for his talented big men instead of relegating them to screens and clogging the paint. What 3ball is saying is that you are limiting your teams options when playing a ball dominant style of play, especially when you do not have a proper off ball game to compliment it. (LeBron obviously suffers from this as well.) Otoh Curry is the exact opposite, if anything you can say he is even more deadly off ball while creating excellent opportunities for his teammates. There is a reason why Curry lead a top ranked offense while having 3 starters that struggle to score 10 ppg. (Green, Bogut, Barnes.) the gsw majorly overachieved their talent level large in part of Curry. Curry recorded the greatest or second greatest plus minus of all time last season. I can't remember if Jordan had more or Curry but they are 1 and 2 in best plus minus on and off of all time and that speaks volume for their GOAT impact.

[Papaya Petee]

Raw box score stats... Doesn't even show efficiency... Yeah, you just exposed yourself. You don't know shit about bball. Next.
Efficiency? You want to talk effieciency? When Wade is the 2nd most efficient shooting guard of all time?
How about 62% FG vs the Pistons, a defensive Jaggernaut.

Raw stats? How about going down 0-2 in the NBA Finals (versus a better team than the 2015 Cavs, with a worse superior cast) and averaging 40 PPG in the last 4 to take home an NBA title.
How about being a better scorer, defender, and rebounder,while being more dominant?

And to 3Ball, Zo 15/10? :roll:

[Papaya Petee]

Those were their stats BEFORE playing with DWade. As 3ball mentioned earlier when you dominate the ball so frequently and then rely on high screens to get penetration...you aren't really helping your team much. If Wade had good shooting and the ability to play off ball he could create space for his talented big men instead of relegating them to screens and clogging the paint. What 3ball is saying is that you are limiting your teams options when playing a ball dominant style of play, especially when you do not have a proper off ball game to compliment it. (LeBron obviously suffers from this as well.) Otoh Curry is the exact opposite, if anything you can say he is even more deadly off ball while creating excellent opportunities for his teammates. There is a reason why Curry lead a top ranked offense while having 3 starters that struggle to score 10 ppg. (Green, Bogut, Barnes.) the gsw majorly overachieved their talent level large in part of Curry. Curry recorded the greatest or second greatest plus minus of all time last season. I can't remember if Jordan had more or Curry but they are 1 and 2 in best plus minus on and off of all time and that speaks volume for their GOAT impact.

YOURE RIGHT AGAIN! You stupid ******.

The 2 seasons in New Jersey before Alonzo starting playing with Wade he averaged a WHOOPING.....

15 Games played a season, 9/4/1 on 45.5% FG :roll:

[warriorfan]

YOURE RIGHT AGAIN! You stupid ******.

The 2 seasons in New Jersey before Alonzo starting playing with Wade he averaged a WHOOPING.....

15 Games played a season, 9/4/1 on 45.5% FG :roll:

You are cherry picking statistics from specific series. Wade was not more efficient than Steph Curry.

Also you are disregarding Steph Curry's vastly superior on/off numbers and ability to lead a non talented offensive team to an elite offense. Curry's versatility with on and off ball play that creates more defensive attention than we have ever seen in the NBA. (See 2015 Finals). Wade nor any player in the history game except for perhaps Michael Jordan has drawn defensive attention like Curry.

[aj1987]

Those were their stats BEFORE playing with DWade. As 3ball mentioned earlier when you dominate the ball so frequently and then rely on high screens to get penetration...you aren't really helping your team much. If Wade had good shooting and the ability to play off ball he could create space for his talented big men instead of relegating them to screens and clogging the paint. What 3ball is saying is that you are limiting your teams options when playing a ball dominant style of play, especially when you do not have a proper off ball game to compliment it. (LeBron obviously suffers from this as well.) Otoh Curry is the exact opposite, if anything you can say he is even more deadly off ball while creating excellent opportunities for his teammates. There is a reason why Curry lead a top ranked offense while having 3 starters that struggle to score 10 ppg. (Green, Bogut, Barnes.) the gsw majorly overachieved their talent level large in part of Curry. Curry recorded the greatest or second greatest plus minus of all time last season. I can't remember if Jordan had more or Curry but they are 1 and 2 in best plus minus on and off of all time and that speaks volume for their GOAT impact.

Terrible post from a terrible poster.

You really want to bring up teammates, dude? Curry had an All-NBA player (who also got votes for MVP and is an ELITE defender), All-Def First and Second team members (who were also 2nd and 6th in DPOY voting), 2 players who were considered for 6th MOY, and runner-up COY. The Warriors were stacked AF and yet, they went to 6 games against the Cav's without their 2nd and 3rd best players, their best player struggling to shoot, and the rest of the team flat out sucking ass.

Wade can't play off-ball and doesn't command defensive attention? Christ, you're a ****ing moron.

[aj1987]

Dwyane Wade has been great at many things on the basketball court. But one skill has always escaped him: 3-point shooting.

This isn't breaking news to anyone who has followed his tenure in the NBA. Wade is a career 29 percent 3-point shooter, a sorry figure that places him 311th among the 315 players in NBA history who have shot at least 1,000 3-pointers.

But Wade has adjusted. Starting in the lockout-shortened 2011-12 season, Wade kicked the habit for the most part and generally expelled the 3-point shot from his regular jump-shooting diet. In 2013-14, Wade's propensity for shooting (and making) the 3 hit a career nadir; he took only 32 trifectas and made only nine during the entire regular season. Five years ago, he might have stumbled into making nine treys in a single week. Those days are long gone.

em. The statisticians at STATS LLC have crunched the SportVU data to come up with two advanced metrics which they've called "gravity score" and "distraction score." By tracking how the defense shifts at every instance in the game, gravity score attempts to quantify how much defensive attention a player receives when he's off the ball. In other words, a player's gravitational pull on the opposing defense.

Distraction score takes this one step further and quantifies how much a player's defender is willing to help off him to stop the ball handler. If a lights-out shooter is standing in the corner, his defender will rarely leave him to stop a penetrating point guard. Coaches have noticed this, but SportVU quantifies it, through comprehensive optical tracking and innovative algorithms.

I wanted to examine which players performed strongly in both metrics so I could identify the NBA's true floor-spacers. So I blended the two metrics together to create a composite metric, which I've called "respect rating."

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Flipping through the leaders in respect rating is like glancing at a list of 3-point contest candidates. There's Kevin Durant. Predictably, Korver's name shows up high on the list. So do Curry and Thompson. Ray Allen. J.J. Redick. You name the sharpshooter ... he's there.

But oddly enough, so is Wade. He is the anomaly, the lone floor-spacer who ignores 3s altogether.

The question is, why?

During one of last week's practices, Wade was on the Miami Heat's practice court upstairs at AmericanAirlines Arena. The team has been struggling to find its identity in the wake of LeBron James' sudden departure this summer, and Wade had just wrapped up a long, arduous practice meticulously going over coach Erik Spoelstra's defensive principles. Wade and his teammates are tired, and the general mood feels grim after a string of hard losses.

But in this moment, Wade is laughing. He's giggling because for so long he thought he was going crazy, seeing something on the court that had to be a figment of his imagination. Opposing defenses just won't leave him alone off the ball. To him, this didn't make any sense. He's not a 3-point shooter.

"Lately, I've been seeing everybody start doing this more," Wade said as he turned his back pretending to be a defender gluing himself to a perimeter shooter. "And I'm just like, 'Damn, did I just start shooting 3s and I didn't know about it?'"

To Wade's elation, the data from SportVU cameras corroborated his story. He wasn't seeing things; defenses were really playing him that way.

What Wade was describing was the dynamic of a floor-spacer who spreads the defense thin, a characteristic almost exclusively held by 3-point sharpshooters. Ask an NBA coach to name the best floor-spacers in the league and chances are you'll hear names like Kyle Korver, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson. You do not leave these guys on the perimeter and live to tell about it. In the domain of floor-spacing, shooters rule the day.

Wade, however, is the quirk in the system. The statisticians at STATS LLC have crunched the SportVU data to come up with two advanced metrics which they've called "gravity score" and "distraction score." By tracking how the defense shifts at every instance in the game, gravity score attempts to quantify how much defensive attention a player receives when he's off the ball. In other words, a player's gravitational pull on the opposing defense.

Distraction score takes this one step further and quantifies how much a player's defender is willing to help off him to stop the ball handler. If a lights-out shooter is standing in the corner, his defender will rarely leave him to stop a penetrating point guard. Coaches have noticed this, but SportVU quantifies it, through comprehensive optical tracking and innovative algorithms.

I wanted to examine which players performed strongly in both metrics so I could identify the NBA's true floor-spacers. So I blended the two metrics together to create a composite metric, which I've called "respect rating."

Now, this is where it gets interesting. Flipping through the leaders in respect rating is like glancing at a list of 3-point contest candidates. There's Kevin Durant. Predictably, Korver's name shows up high on the list. So do Curry and Thompson. Ray Allen. J.J. Redick. You name the sharpshooter ... he's there.

But oddly enough, so is Wade. He is the anomaly, the lone floor-spacer who ignores 3s altogether.

http://i.imgur.com/MVMid2V.jpg

As illustrated above, Wade converted 0.2 3-pointers every 36 minutes on the court last season, which is remarkably low for someone ranked in the top 25 of respect rating. On average, the other 24 players made far more trifectas than Wade, about 2.2 3s every 36 minutes. Wade was unique in this sense. In fact, no wing player with fewer than 0.5 3-pointers every 36 minutes even cracked the top 100 in respect rating. Tyreke Evans, Shaun Livingston and Tony Allen? All nowhere near the upper echelon.

But then there's Wade.

"I don't think anybody has ever called me that term -- a floor-spacer -- before," Wade says. "But honestly I've always known that I'm a floor-spacer, just in a different way."

So what makes Wade different? Why do defenses treat Wade like he's an elite 3-point shooter even though he's not?

"They're always up on me," Wade says. "I always wonder why."

The answer to this riddle is not simply that Wade scores a lot of points. It's how he gets his points that matters. More specifically, he's a deadly off-ball threat not because he's a 3-point shooter, but because he's a lethal cutter.

The mystery starts to reveal itself when you look at the Synergy numbers. Since losing the 2011 Finals, Wade says he has dedicated himself to cutting off the ball more for easy buckets. Not surprisingly, the data backs this up. According to Synergy's video tracking, Wade has accumulated 497 points on cuts off the ball, which is 100 more points than anyone else in the league over that time.

http://i.imgur.com/KuqUrlo.jpg

What's clear is that Wade is indeed a floor-spacer, but he does it by cutting, not shooting.

And SportVU has detected that defenses are programming against it. Through their algorithms, SportVU has found that Wade pulls his defender away from the ball handler. Last season, Wade ranked 21st in the league in respect rating, which, interestingly enough, places him even higher than James. Part of the reason: James is not quite the same cutter off the ball as Wade.

I think once I became a dynamic cutter, then it became a part of the scouting report," Wade says. "If you turn your head and go help ... boom, I'm cutting backdoor."

On the practice floor, Wade put on an impromptu demonstration all by himself. He acted like a coach, moving around the perimeter and angling himself in different ways to demonstrate how defenses used to guard him compared to how they've guarded him more recently. Before he developed his off-ball cutting game, his defender used to shade off of him on the perimeter, sinking into the paint and keeping a close eye on the ball. "Now," Wade shouted as he slid from the paint to the 3-point arc, "they will guard me like this."

Wade's gravitational pull has gotten so impactful that he began to use it against his opposition.

"There have been a lot of times where I tell my teammates, 'Just drive on my side! They're not leaving me!'" Wade said, laughing.

Wade then backtracked a bit.

"Well, it's not like 'Ray Allen not leaving me,'" he says, "but it's my version of not leaving me."

Indeed, Allen placed higher than Wade in respect rating last season. Evidently, Wade's remarkable cutting abilities have not gone unnoticed. Heat.com writer Couper Moorhead has chronicled Wade's now-you-see-me-now-you-don't routine, dubbing it "ghost cuts." Last season, Wade scored 147 points on 97 plays ending in a cut, which translates to a ridiculously good payoff of 1.52 points per play. Only Dwight Howard was more efficient. By comparison, leaving Allen open for a catch-and-shoot play last season -- a defensive cardinal sin -- resulted in a 1.2-point average payoff. Wade's move was more deadly.


..

[aj1987]

Wade stood in the corner and described how he works his magic. He preys on his defender as soon as he drifts away and loses focus.

"It's a feeling, but I'm watching my guy's eyes," Wade said. "I'm looking at the ball and where it's going, because sometimes my job is to run to the top of the key, but if I see he's out of position and he's just looking [toward the ball] ..."

Wade darted to the basket.

"... I'm gone."

But that was then, this is now. Can Wade be effective on cuts without James around anymore?

This is the elephant in the room. James is a passing virtuoso who can see above the defenses like he's observing from an air traffic control tower. Wade was always one pass away, and no player assisted Wade's field goals more than James last season.

It remains to be seen whether teams will be willing to pack the paint more when Wade is off the ball. Why respect his cutting game so much if James isn't around to deliver the pass? It turns out Wade would welcome the extra breathing room.

"That'd be great, fine by me," Wade says. "It'd give me a chance to get my 3 off."

Uh-oh. The career 29 percent 3-point shooter wants to shoot more 3s? Teams may be rooting for that counterpunch.

Wade has indeed taken more 3-pointers this preseason. He's shot 2.7 3-pointers every 36 minutes thus far in five games, which would be his highest rate since 2009-10. He made just 30 percent from deep that season.

"It's funny," he says, "because in the last couple games, I've hit a couple 3s and the guys who are guarding me have looked at me like, 'What?'"

The look typically comes from younger players who only know the James-era Wade.

"Y'all forgot that I did shoot 3s," Wade says. "Last three years I just haven't done it."

And that discipline worked in the Heat's favor. Oftentimes, there were better shots available thanks to James' presence. But now the exchange rate has been disrupted with James gone.

The Heat may have lost James' passing abilities, but they hope that free-agent signee Josh McRoberts can fill some of the void. McRoberts, who has missed the preseason with a toe injury, averaged 4.5 assists per game last season in Charlotte, which marks one of the highest rates in the league among big men. And much of those went to Gerald Henderson and Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, two players who like to cut off the ball, like Wade.

This introduces an interesting wrinkle for Wade's season, and really the rest of his NBA career. Will he need to start shooting 3-pointers to maintain his gravitational pull as he ages? Or has the attention derived from his cutting game made the 3-pointer irrelevant?

Nonetheless, get ready for more 3-pointers from Wade.

"I'm going to shoot 'em more," Wade says, which sounds a little like a warning than a prediction. "It is what it is."

You have our full attention, Dwyane. Let's see how long it lasts.
..

[Gileraracer]

REGULAR SEASON
06 Wade- 27.4 PPG 6.7 APG 5.7 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.9 BPG
15 Curry- 23.8 PPG 7.7 APG 4.3 RPG 2.0 SPG 0.2 BPG

PLAYOFFS
06 Wade- 28.4 PPG 5.9 APG 5.7 RPG 2.2 SPG 1.1 BPG
15 Curry- 28.3 PPG 6.4 APG 5.0 RPG 1.9 SPG 0.1 BPG

FINALS
06 Wade- 34.7 PPG 3.9 APG 7.8 RPG 2.67 SPG 1.0 BPG
15 Curry- 26.0 PPG 6.3 APG 5.1 RPG 1.83 SPG 0.2 BPG


Better than anything Wades ever done huh? Aside from getting more assists as a PG for the best scoring team in the league, what exactly did Curry do "better" than Wade? Aside from losing FMVP to a bench player?

Imagine if he didn't have those rigged 16.2 free throws per game, wouldn't be that much i guess :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

Imagine if he didn't have those rigged 16.2 free throws per game, wouldn't be that much i guess :confusedshrug:
Imagine if you weren't a mentally challenged person, wouldn't have all these retarded posts I guess. :confusedshrug:


BTW, Kobe averaged 16 FT's a game as well, in '08, against the Jazz and needed 15 FT's to beat the C's in '10. 15 points off of FT's in the 4th Q in a hilariously rigged game.

[sd3035]

lol this Indian dude is catching feelings

[Gileraracer]

Imagine if you weren't a mentally challenged person, wouldn't have all these retarded posts I guess. :confusedshrug:


BTW, Kobe averaged 16 FT's a game as well, in '08, against the Jazz and needed 15 FT's to beat the C's in '10. 15 points off of FT's in the 4th Q in a hilariously rigged game.

Darn i forgot, Heat fans get instant meltdown when they read something negative (although ist a fact) about their gawd DWhistle. :lol

You try to justify one rigged series with another? Good Point :pimp:

[Harison]

KG is the only one thats been mentioned so far. Hes played PG for Wolves when Cassell went down, point center for Boston. PF, hes played SF and SG. Hes shut down players @ PG to dudes like peak TMac, to PFs to Cs. He has the skills, length, athleticism to do it.

players like Magic can play offense on all 5 positions but not defense. Draymond cant play either guard position even tho he can guard any position on defense. KG is the only one that could legit play offense and defense at any position. Most versatile player of alltime easily
Agreed, Garnett is probably the most versatile player of All-time, on both sides of the court. He literally played well in all 5 positions, including in the Playoffs, no less.

There were other players who could play 5 positions either offensively (Magic) or defensively (Hakeem, DRob), just not both.

[aj1987]

Darn i forgot, Heat fans get instant meltdown when they read something negative (although ist a fact) about their gawd DWhistle. :lol

You try to justify one rigged series with another? Good Point :pimp:


Right here:

http://207.58.151.151/forum/showthread.php?t=126843

Interesting facts:

In this playoff run, Dirk Nowitzki sets a record for must FT's hit during the playoffs shooting 209-229. Wade on the other hand shoots 202-250 with both players playing 23 games in the playoffs that year. For a player who is more of a slasher, Wade only managed to get 21 more free throws? :rolleyes:

Furthermore, Wade shot 10 and 14 free throws in the first two games, so its not like he just got more free throws the next few games. He was already getting to the line a lot.

The total foul count in the series was 146 fouls committed by the Miami Heat and 160 fouls committed by the Mavericks. Fairly equal if anything.

Furthermore, it's amazing it was soo close considering the Heat have Shaq and Wade on their team. Wade is a driver who gets a lot of free throws anyway, and Shaq is a guy who teams love to send to the line. Also, the Mavericks were more of a jumpshooting team, with most of their driving coming from Harris and Howard.

Quick facts:
--Miami outrebounded the Mavs in 4 of the 6 games in the series.
--In the 4 games Miami won, they shot better in 3 of those matchups, with the only time they shot worse being by .8 of a %.
--Miami shot less threes then the Dallas team in 5 of the 6 games. The one time they shot more threes then the Dallas team, they lost.

Game 3:
Mavericks up 83-71 with 8:30 left. A lot of people claim that the refs took over here and helped guide Wade to victory.
Up to the 3rd quarter Wade had shot 15 free throws. In the 4th quarter, Wade shot only 3 free throws, and only 1 free throw within the 8:30 left. So the two other free throws he shot were before the 12 point lead the Mavs had.

Not to mention with the game score was 97-95 in favor of the Heat with 3 seconds to go and Dirk gets given 2 free throws. So the Mavs were given a chance to tie the game, and Dirk only hit 1 of 2 free throws to make the score 97-96 in favor of the Heat.

So in actual fact, Wade got no free throws in that 8:30, due to the free throws he recieved being out of desperation and the Mavs hacking to be able to get another shot off. So a total of 0 shooting fouls were called for Wade in the 4th.


Game 4:
98-74 win for the Heat. Mavs shot 31% and Wade had 9 free throws. Nothing to talk about really. Mavs completely outplayed.

Game 5:
This is the game where Wade goes onto shoot as many free throws as the entire Dallas team. 21-25 went Wade and 21-25 went Dallas. Game went into overtime as well.
Wade had 22 points going into the 4th quarter. Wade scored 17 in the 4th quarter with the last 6 points all coming from jumpers. Even the game tying shot was a jumper to level the game at 93-93 with 2 seconds left. No free throws needed. 7 of Wade's 17 points came from FT's. So he basically maintained his average foul shot per quarter rate in the 4th.

Then in the overtime, the score was 100-99 in favor of the Mavs with 2 seconds left and Wade was given 2 free throws. As many of you know, at the time there was great debate as to whether this was a foul or not. The play involved Harris and Nowitzki both hacking Wade and Nowitzki being called for the foul.

http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0618/nba_g_wade_395.jpg

That was the play for those who have forgot. Many people say this wasn't a foul. Now take a look at what happened on this play:

http://i.imgur.com/NKVuJ3u.gif
Harris' leg clearly fouling Wade.

Also:
Dirk giving Wade a huge shove, just look at the amount of contact.

http://i6.tinypic.com/14vo5n7.jpg

Not to mention Harris grabbed Wade's other hand on the way to the basket, but I don't have a picture. He didn't just slap it, but grabbed it and didn't allow Wade to have shooting motion. That is a foul even in late game situations. Two players hacking and getting a huge amount of contact. On his leg, one arm and pushing on his back. That has to get called even in the dying seconds.

EDIT: Picture found.

http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1121/nba_g_wade_600.jpg

Harris' grabbing Wade's shooting arm, pretty much not allowing a shot to be attempted.

Game 6:

Heat win the championship with a 95-92 win. No controversy here

Wade had the best Finals performance in NBA History... Putting the team on his back in the Final 4 games (all wins) and scored over 35 pts per game in each one:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=FinalsPerformances-1

^ GREATEST Finals Performance EVER !!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=6013055&postcount=19

[QUOTE=ImKobe]The opposing team couldn't stop Wade without fouling, so he exploited that and won his team the game? :oldlol:

They changed the rules to get the scoring back up after the 04 season, handchecking was made illegal. It's why guys like Kobe,Lebron and AI had huge gains in the PPG department in 05-06, they learned how to exploit the new rules that favored the offensive player.

Here's a good post

[QUOTE]From his Blog Maverick weblog, Mark Cuban's article 'If It

[warriorfan]

lol this Indian dude is catching feelings

Dat moment when he realizes he is copy pasting article after article about Wade in 2012, not 2006 which was the year we were talking about. :oldlol: . The best part is that young DWade in 2006 was at least somewhat comparable to Steph Curry. 2012 DWade gets completely blown out of the water.

[3ba11]

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If Lebron could play all 5 positions, he wouldn't require coaches to put the ball in his hands and make him the primary ball-handler for every team that he ever played, nor would his skillset impose spot-up roles and suboptimal fits with Hughes, Wade, Bosh, Love, Ingram, Kuzma, Jamison, Rose, IT, Clarkson, and more.

If he could play like a true PF, he would fit with Westbrook by playing like Karl Malone, who scored 36k points as the roll-man for Stockton - Malone's off-ball and deft mid-range touch is the opposite of Lebron's skillset.. People are simply misguided by thinking that a big man who can dominate the ball can "do everything" instead of realizing that it's still a ball-dominant skillset and nothing more, regardless of how big the ball-dominator is.

For Lebron to dominate, he must dominate the ball and have a below-average assisted rate for a normally high-assisted forward position, thus lowering assist capacity of team (low assist teams).. So he ties coach hands & strategy, thus needing more help and having low team ceiling/Finals records

His skill restriction to ball-dominance ties a coach's hands and prevents the high ball-movement and high assist teams that the Spurs, Warriors and 90's Bulls had (dynasty-ball).. He can't run off screens or defend guys off-screens like Klay, Reggie Miller or MJ.

[kawhileonard2]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page11 Not when that happens.