2015 Curry or 2003 T-Mac

[SugarHill]

Seems lik a random comparison but I'm honestly curious as to what ish thinks. Who was the better player?

[fiddy]

T Mac :coleman:

[BasedTom]

T-Mac you daft mother****er

[34-24 Footwork]

As great as Curry is, I think he wouldn't belong on the same court with TMAC.

A better comparison would be Gilbert Arenas, but even that is a stretch, to some degree.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

as overrated as 03 TMac gets by some nikkas he was clearly better than Steph

[Legends66NBA7]

Give me Curry.

[tpols]

I would take curry on a good team, tmac on a bad one.

[SugarHill]

I would take curry on a good team, tmac on a bad one.
so tmac is a better individual talent but curry's offball abilities make him a better and more valuable piece?

[ralph_i_el]

before you make the call purely on basic stats, remember that TMac played 7 more mpg, on a team that won 26 less games.

Curry murdered him in efficiency while sitting out the ends of the many warriors blowouts. Their per-36 stats

Curry: 26 ppg, 8.5apg, 4.7rpg 2.2stl
Tmac: 29.3 ppg, 5apg, 6 rpg 1.7stl

Curry's "gravity" off the ball is a huge weapon in and off itself

[tpols]

so tmac is a better individual talent but curry's offball abilities make him a better and more valuable piece?

pretty much..

[Fudge]

Never disrespect T-Mac like this ever again, moe. Seriously.

[Wade's Rings]

before you make the call purely on basic stats, remember that TMac played 7 more mpg, on a team that won 26 less games.

Curry murdered him in efficiency while sitting out the ends of the many warriors blowouts. Their per-36 stats

Curry: 26 ppg, 8.5apg, 4.7rpg 2.2stl
Tmac: 29.3 ppg, 5apg, 6 rpg 1.7stl

Curry's "gravity" off the ball is a huge weapon in and off itself

You just compared the 2003 Magic to the 2015 Warriors.

[ralph_i_el]

You just compared the 2003 Magic to the 2015 Warriors.

yeah, Tmac was in a much worse situation.

[Queen Sansa]

Curry. Not really sweating it either, though T-Mac was amazing that year.

Curry is more valuable to a team with championship aspirations. If you just want to see somebody put insane stats or just score, pick T-Mac.

[LoneyROY7]

Meh. Neither one hardens my rod.

[red1]

mcgrady without hesitation

[Lebronxrings]

the guy that isn't a system player and the 2nd best player on a stacked championship team.

[Vaniiiia]

OP just die already.

[Inferno]

the guy that isn't a system player and the 2nd best player on a stacked championship team.

2nd best?

[Papaya Petee]

Is this a joke?


2003 TMac with a torn ACL > 2015 Curry

[warriorfan]

Rent Free AMC making these lebron virgins feel some type of way like usual :roll:

[inclinerator]

tback is much better

[kshutts1]

before you make the call purely on basic stats, remember that TMac played 7 more mpg, on a team that won 26 less games.

Curry murdered him in efficiency while sitting out the ends of the many warriors blowouts. Their per-36 stats

Curry: 26 ppg, 8.5apg, 4.7rpg 2.2stl
Tmac: 29.3 ppg, 5apg, 6 rpg 1.7stl

Curry's "gravity" off the ball is a huge weapon in and off itself
...then you go on to post stats. :oldlol:

Consider the context of each team.
McGrady was the sole offensive weapon, whereas Curry was the best, but certainly not only. Other quality teammates made Curry's job easier, with potentially less pressure, and gave him better looks.

Stat-wise, it was probably Curry, once we consider his incredible efficiency. But in terms of impact? TMac.

[bizil]

Easily T Mac! And that's not a knock to Steph either. It comes down to a matter of size and versatility. T Mac is a top 5 SG of all time peak wise. Scoring skillset wise, I think he's right up there with Bird, MJ, Kobe, Melo, and Durant as the best of all time for perimeter players.

But if Steph stays healthy, I think he could have a GREAT SHOT to be a top 5 GOAT PG. And best player wise, I think he's a top 10-12 PG of all time already.

[ralph_i_el]

...then you go on to post stats. :oldlol:

Consider the context of each team.
McGrady was the sole offensive weapon, whereas Curry was the best, but certainly not only. Other quality teammates made Curry's job easier, with potentially less pressure, and gave him better looks.

Stat-wise, it was probably Curry, once we consider his incredible efficiency. But in terms of impact? TMac.

The highlighted is all true, but Curry also has the added impact of having insane gravity away from the ball. He makes it much easier for his teammates even when the ball isn't in his hands, and he still is probably as good a playmaker as Tmac with the ball in his hands.


You guys don't think Curry could chuck up 30+ points per game for a .500% in the East?

[warriorfan]

...then you go on to post stats. :oldlol:

Consider the context of each team.
McGrady was the sole offensive weapon, whereas Curry was the best, but certainly not only. Other quality teammates made Curry's job easier, with potentially less pressure, and gave him better looks.

Stat-wise, it was probably Curry, once we consider his incredible efficiency. But in terms of impact? TMac.

Yeah the first round virgin has more impact than the dude who lead his team to a chip... Sounds legit.

[Wade's Rings]

The highlighted is all true, but Curry also has the added impact of having insane gravity away from the ball. He makes it much easier for his teammates even when the ball isn't in his hands, and he still is probably as good a playmaker as Tmac with the ball in his hands.


You guys don't think Curry could chuck up 30+ points per game for a .500% in the East?

WTF does the East have to do with it :oldlol: The East has better Defenses than the West and plays at a slower pace.

Even with Curry's Off-Ball impact he isn't doing shit with that 2003 Magic Team.

[LoneyROY7]

Yeah the first round virgin has more impact than the dude who lead his team to a chip... Sounds legit.

True, Andre Igoudala had more impact than T-mac.

[warriorfan]

True, Andre Igoudala had more impact than T-mac.

He probably did to be honest

[Cold soul]

T-Mac is the superior player no offense to Curry but at his best T-Mac was right up there with Kobe and Wade once upon a time.

[KnittingRyu]

2015 Curry. T-Mac had some good teams in his days and still couldn't get out of the 1st round. Everybody gets upset occasionally, but some years he should have done it and just couldn't. T-Mac is probably more talented overall, but Curry's shooting + leadership puts him over the top.

[ShawkFactory]

2015 Curry. T-Mac had some good teams in his days and still couldn't get out of the 1st round. Everybody gets upset occasionally, but some years he should have done it and just couldn't. T-Mac is probably more talented overall, but Curry's shooting + leadership puts him over the top.
He wasn't talking in tmacs "days", but his 2003 season. He did not have a good team that year.

[Straight_Ballin]

Lol there is a few players of a certain year that can match how good Tmac was in 03, and 2015 Curry sure as hell isn't one of them.

[Tking714]

2003 Mcgrady was on a level very few reach. Unfortunately Steph is a tier or two below where the Hardens, Westbrooks are

[houston]

2015 curry

[miles berg]

No disrespect to Curry but prime TMac was on an entire different tier. GOAT level talent.

TMac easily.

[KnittingRyu]

He wasn't talking in tmacs "days", but his 2003 season. He did not have a good team that year.

Right, and I'm saying that though T-Mac is more talented, he lacks leadership. 2003 certainly did not prove otherwise. Yes his team was shit, but that is also part of the reason why T-Mac's 2003 stats stand out compared to his other years. He was practically as good in surrounding years, but still couldn't lead his team.

[Harison]

I would take curry on a good team, tmac on a bad one.
What he said.

[GimmeThat]

not even the same age that year tho

[knicksman]

Ill take the guy who plays to win than who plays for stats. This is just another bran vs kobe comparison

[theaussieguy]

Curry. Not really sweating it either, though T-Mac was amazing that year.

Curry is more valuable to a team with championship aspirations. If you just want to see somebody put insane stats or just score, pick T-Mac.

this, i swear half this board is brain dead. People seriously have no comprehension on what Curry does to opposing offenses. The fact he can shoot so well makes him a continuous threat at all times and all spaces of the floor. Its an exceedingly rare and extremely valuable asset and in conjunction with his other attributes make him a far better player than Tmac.

[keep-itreal]

Why is ISH choosing a first round virgin over the MVP? :roll:

[Kobe_6/8]

this, i swear half this board is brain dead. People seriously have no comprehension on what Curry does to opposing offenses. The fact he can shoot so well makes him a continuous threat at all times and all spaces of the floor. Its an exceedingly rare and extremely valuable asset and in conjunction with his other attributes make him a far better player than Tmac.

https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/tracy-300x3005.jpg

Wtf is exceedingly rare about a 3-point dominant point guard?

[Legends66NBA7]

Wtf is exceedingly rare about a 3-point dominant point guard?

Steph is the GOAT 3 point shooter. Some of the 3s he pulls off are unreal. Add that with his high volume of 3s he hits at a very high efficiency, ball handling, passing ability, etc... It is rare for an offensive talent like this. I havent seen one at the PG position like Steph.

And compared to 03 T-Mac and 15 Steph, T-Mac dominated the ball far more. Steph also shattered the 3 point records made in both the regular season and the playoffs.

[kshutts1]

I won't argue that Steph is the GOAT 3p shooter. But TMac was no slouch. He shot 40% with over 6 attempts a game, iirc.

Now, going back to the teammate argument, it is my belief that TMac took more 3s in which he had to create that opportunity. His teammates/offense rarely set him up. Steph, while the better shooter, also benefits from having a system/teammates in place that can help him get open; other players that require double teams. Considering that Steph IS the GOAT 3p shooter (and imo, there's no denying that), he gets an awful lot of open looks.

As for others mentioning Curry's "gravity" offense, at least I think that's what it has been called, yeah that's great. Do you really think TMac wouldn't provide that as well in today's league? TMac wouldn't command the attention that Curry does beyond 25 feet, but inside 25 feet, I don't think we'd see much difference.

Then at those mentioning "first round virgin" or whatever lame argument... :facepalm Thank you for making it clear that I should take your opinions with a grain of salt, as you clearly lack basic comprehension skills.

[Coach Eddie]

Give me the winner.

[Indian guy]

For a team that's very low on talent, T-Mac. In every other situation, Curry. T-Mac's simply not a winner. I can't think of a superstar who possessed less winning-intangibles than him. He could never be the best player on a team that won the championship. Curry already did.

[Pointguard]

The highlighted is all true, but Curry also has the added impact of having insane gravity away from the ball. He makes it much easier for his teammates even when the ball isn't in his hands, and he still is probably as good a playmaker as Tmac with the ball in his hands.


You guys don't think Curry could chuck up 30+ points per game for a .500% in the East?
Gravity off the ball is overused concept. Its like gravity off the planet. If Curry didn't have help and attracted the gravity that T Mac did this wouldn't be a conversation. Curry wasn't making it past the first round until his team became one of the best well rounded teams in the league.

In the East he would be a worse player. The West is more of an open style of play because they have more talent. The better defensive teams are out East. Curry out East plays with less talent and better perimeter defense. All guards including Curry shoot much worse when they play series out East.

[Duffy Pratt]

For a team that's very low on talent, T-Mac. In every other situation, Curry. T-Mac's simply not a winner. I can't think of a superstar who possessed less winning-intangibles than him. He could never be the best player on a team that won the championship. Curry already did.

TMac in those Toronto years is a revival of the NBA tradition of a scoring leader on a team that sucked. Adrian Dantley, Alex English, George Gervin, Bob McAdoo, Pete Maravich, Tiny Archibald. More recently, Melo. All of them were overrated in their time, and it appears TMac still is. (This is true even though some of them were actually fine players. But they all had bloated stats by virtue of being on bad teams.)

The flip side of this is that we tend to underrate players who were on excellent teams. (Examples are Sam Jones, Walt Frazier, James Worthy, Dennis Johnson or McHale, Joe Dumars etc...)

[Clifton]

Peak Tmac is the deadlier player.

But as an aside, as long as he stays healthy, Curry is going to have a great reputation when he retires.

High character guy, belongs to an excellent organization which will always field a good team, the greatest ever at something (shooting, esp off the dribble)... has a lot going for him as far as legacy is concerned. He might be remembered as top 20 ever when he retires.

Consider how people put Dirk in that category now. If Curry retires in 12 years with 4 rings, hitting 250 threes a year, and wins 50 games every season, he'll get a boost in people's estimation, the same way that many rank Duncan over Shaq now.

And for the same reasons, you will have people in 20 years saying "Curry is better than Tmac ever was," etc. Short memories, etc.

[Legends66NBA7]

You guys don't think Curry could chuck up 30+ points per game for a .500% in the East?

If he played more in the Atlantic Division ? Yeah, no question.

If he played more in the Southeast Division ? Probably.

If he played more in the Central Division ? Maybe not but he's definitely over 25+.

[sundizz]

If he played more in the Atlantic Division ? Yeah, no question.

If he played more in the Southeast Division ? Probably.

If he played more in the Central Division ? Maybe not but he's definitely over 25+.

This is simply ridiculous considering he basically put up 29 ppg in the playoffs lol. He could easily chuck up 30-32 ppg on lower efficiency if he played enough/didn't pass up shots (to give a teammate a better shot, aka winner ball).

[Pointguard]

If he played more in the Atlantic Division ? Yeah, no question.

If he played more in the Southeast Division ? Probably.

If he played more in the Central Division ? Maybe not but he's definitely over 25+.

Its definitely not a "no question." Dirk never got close to 30 ppg. Barkley never got close. Shaq never got over 30ppg. Mello never got there. Only the super scorers who had great endurance (Kobe, Wade, AI, Durant, TMac, Malone), very determined scorers have crossed that mark over the history of the game. As of right now Curry isn't high endurance or even a very determined scorer that is demanding the ball throughout the game. Curry scores easily and in the flow like Dirk to me but he lacks those two key qualities right now.

Durant scores easily without much resistance but he has crazy endurance and keeps the attack on. Even when the game was scoring very high, very few players were crossing the 30ppg barrier. I'm not ruling it out, but he's not there yet and may never be. And if he had more of a burden to carry like Tmac and could be focused on more, its much more unlikely that he could score above 30.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

For a team that's very low on talent, T-Mac. In every other situation, Curry. T-Mac's simply not a winner. I can't think of a superstar who possessed less winning-intangibles than him. He could never be the best player on a team that won the championship. Curry already did.

Meh, don't think that's fair to say. Houston was loaded with injuries, and that TMac wasn't close to his former Orlando self (they were trash outside of Mcgrady).

2005 was probably the closest year he resembled those same attributes in Orlando, tbh

But yeah, your post is like me saying LeBron didn't possess a single winning intangible before he quit on the Cavs, and left for Miami with 2 other franchise caliber players.

[MastaKilla]

Peak Tmac is the deadlier player.

But as an aside, as long as he stays healthy, Curry is going to have a great reputation when he retires.

High character guy, belongs to an excellent organization which will always field a good team, the greatest ever at something (shooting, esp off the dribble)... has a lot going for him as far as legacy is concerned. He might be remembered as top 20 ever when he retires.

Consider how people put Dirk in that category now. If Curry retires in 12 years with 4 rings, hitting 250 threes a year, and wins 50 games every season, he'll get a boost in people's estimation, the same way that many rank Duncan over Shaq now.

And for the same reasons, you will have people in 20 years saying "Curry is better than Tmac ever was," etc. Short memories, etc.

a boost??

he'd be top 10

[Pointguard]

For a team that's very low on talent, T-Mac. In every other situation, Curry. T-Mac's simply not a winner. I can't think of a superstar who possessed less winning-intangibles than him. He could never be the best player on a team that won the championship. Curry already did.
Put Tmac on a team that had the best defense and offense in the league, just for three years, and he's top ten material if he stays healthy 12 years.

[Legends66NBA7]

Its definitely not a "no question."

Steph playing in the Atlantic would make it no question. Dude would wreck that division if he was the given green light. I don't think people realize how bad the division is.

As for the whole conference, he'd get there or get close enough. This on a bad team, off course.

[MastaKilla]

Steph playing in the Atlantic would make it no question. Dude would wreck that division if he was the given green light. I don't think people realize how bad the division is.

As for the whole conference, he'd get there or get close enough. This on a bad team, off course.

exactly he just averaged 28ppg in the playoffs while winning a title

of course he could average 30 on a bad team

[warriorfan]

exactly he just averaged 28ppg in the playoffs while winning a title

of course he could average 30 on a bad team

Easily.

[Pointguard]

exactly he just averaged 28ppg in the playoffs while winning a title

of course he could average 30 on a bad team
Doing something over 80 games is harder than 20 games where his opposition was dropping like flies. No Kyrie, no Patrick Beverly, Conley out of sorts, and whoever the backup point guard on the Pelicans. He was playing backups the whole playoff run.

Name the player that scored over 30ppg without great endurance? Name me the player that did it without wanting the ball for 35 minutes per game? You can't just say x player is going to break the mold based on other things. For all high thresholds you need certain qualities. Hypothetical s aren't better than looking at history and the qualities of people who have surpassed that mark.

[bizil]

Put Tmac on a team that had the best defense and offense in the league, just for three years, and he's top ten material if he stays healthy 12 years.

Agreed 100%! At his peak, the only SG's FOR SURE I would take over T Mac are MJ and Kobe. And the main reason is defense. At 6'8 (some say even 6'9), T Mac was more versatile than MJ and Kobe. I SPECIFICALLY recall T Mac guarding PF's at times like Dirk. And in many respects, T Mac was the PERFECT SWINGMAN in terms of his size. He's just as good of a fit at the SG as he would be at the SF. At the SG or SF, I think T Mac was a top five caliber player peak wise.

[Duffy Pratt]

Agreed 100%! At his peak, the only SG's FOR SURE I would take over T Mac are MJ and Kobe. And the main reason is defense. At 6'8 (some say even 6'9), T Mac was more versatile than MJ and Kobe. I SPECIFICALLY recall T Mac guarding PF's at times like Dirk. And in many respects, T Mac was the PERFECT SWINGMAN in terms of his size. He's just as good of a fit at the SG as he would be at the SF. At the SG or SF, I think T Mac was a top five caliber player peak wise.

Try 6'7".

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?draft=15&year=All

[Clifton]

a boost??

he'd be top 10
Right... and he would have a top 10-20 "career" when we look back.

But at peak level he'll also retire without ever having been a top 3 player (he'll never surpass Lebron, Durant, or Davis until these guys get old, to begin with), while guys who have been top 3 players who didn't last as long or didn't win will be forgotten in comparison. People will compare peaks "Curry or Tmac" or "Curry or Drexler" or "Curry or Dominique Wilkins" and people will act like it's not even close.

[Legends66NBA7]

Right... and he would have a top 10-20 "career" when we look back.

But at peak level he'll also retire without ever having been a top 3 player

Curry was Top 3 last year, IMO. Many were saying he might be the best in the game at one point. Obviously, I didn't think that, but there weren't many player better than him. Especially if we guage playoff play higher.

[Rocketswin2013]

Probably Curry.

[Just2McFly]

Curry was Top 3 last year, IMO. Many were saying he might be the best in the game at one point. Obviously, I didn't think that, but there weren't many player better than him. Especially if we guage playoff play higher.
Curry wasnt better than Westbrook or Lebron. I might put him at third if I'm not forgetting someone... but his playoffs werent even that great, especially considering he's going against the back point guard at every level.

[MastaKilla]

Curry wasnt better than Westbrook or Lebron. I might put him at third if I'm not forgetting someone... but his playoffs werent even that great, especially considering he's going against the back point guard at every level.

28/5/6/2 on 61% TS while breaking the record for 3pters made in the playoffs

"not that great"

[Fudge]

Curry's like a borderline top 5 player... and it was at his peak.

Sad.

[Just2McFly]

28/5/6/2 on 61% TS while breaking the record for 3pters made in the playoffs

"not that great"
Please name another MVP that wouldn't score thirty plus in a playoff run where they faced bench players for the majority of their minutes played.

Do you think Kobe would be like yo I had an amazing all time run scoring 28 a game on dudes like Delly? Dudes like with one eye like conley?

It was nice but not that impressive on an all time scale.

[MastaKilla]

Please name another MVP that wouldn't score thirty plus in a playoff run where they faced bench players for the majority of their minutes played.

Do you think Kobe would be like yo I had an amazing all time run scoring 28 a game on dudes like Delly? Dudes like with one eye like conley?

It was nice but not that impressive on an all time scale.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

straight hater talk really, nothing else..

he absolutly demolished Houston who knocked out BG/Cp3.. neither of whom averaged 30ppg

Curry put up 31 on 68% TS in the WCF..

any playoff run where you win the championship averaging 28 ppg on that type of efficiency is pretty fuccing good..

again you're just being a hater

[MastaKilla]

for example 2013 MVP lebron went through the under .500 bucks, the D Rose less Bulls and the Pacers..

didn't average 30 in any series.. not even the finals.. do we hold that against him.. do we just throw that out like his run wasn't impressive.. stop being a moron

[Just2McFly]

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

straight hater talk really, nothing else..

he absolutly demolished Houston who knocked out BG/Cp3.. neither of whom averaged 30ppg

Curry put up 31 on 68% TS in the WCF..

any playoff run where you win the championship averaging 28 ppg on that type of efficiency is pretty fuccing good..

again you're just being a hater

Did you name any MVP's? No.

On an the all time scale what he did was meh, I'm not taking his playoff run over most of what I've seen in the past thirty years....I'm not hating, I'm just being honest.

[Legends66NBA7]

Curry wasnt better than Westbrook or Lebron. I might put him at third if I'm not forgetting someone... but his playoffs werent even that great, especially considering he's going against the back point guard at every level.

I have Curry over Westbrook last year. Both are tier 1 PG's. Westbrook had a lot of usage but that didn't convert to wins. That was part of the problem with 1 player doing too much on banged up squad that ISO's a lot.


We'll just have to agree to disagree about the playoff part. It's not Curry's problem if his competition got hurt at the wrong time.

[Just2McFly]

I have Curry over Westbrook last year. Both are tier 1 PG's. Westbrook had a lot of usage but that didn't convert to wins. That was part of the problem with 1 player doing too much on banged up squad that ISO's a lot.


We'll just have to agree to disagree about the playoff part. It's not Curry's problem if his competition got hurt at the wrong time.
I still believe that if SA didn't give NO the last game of the season, OKC is in the playoffs and going at least six with GS.

I don't think it's fair to say to take Curry over Westbrook because of wins. We all know that Westbrook is a better playoff/finals performer due to his impact on both sides of the ball. He did all he could to win them enough games this year and it's a shame he isn't getting credit for literally putting the team on his back.

[Vaniiiia]

I still believe that if SA didn't give NO the last game of the season, OKC is in the playoffs and going at least six with GS.

I don't think it's fair to say to take Curry over Westbrook because of wins. We all know that Westbrook is a better playoff/finals performer due to his impact on both sides of the ball. He did all he could to win them enough games this year and it's a shame he isn't getting credit for literally putting the team on his back.
Very good post. Good shit man, good shit.

[Legends66NBA7]

I still believe that if SA didn't give NO the last game of the season, OKC is in the playoffs and going at least six with GS.

I don't think it's fair to say to take Curry over Westbrook because of wins. We all know that Westbrook is a better playoff/finals performer due to his impact on both sides of the ball. He did all he could to win them enough games this year and it's a shame he isn't getting credit for literally putting the team on his back.

I do agree with this a lot. OKC had horrible luck, both with injuries (losing their MVP) and being in perhaps the strongest conference ever. They would have been the 6 seed out East.


Westbrook definitely deserves a lot of credit for trying to bull his way to the playoffs but if OKC is healthy, he and Durant probably just even out their stats and impact, so it becomes a closer debate.

[Pointguard]

I have Curry over Westbrook last year. Both are tier 1 PG's. Westbrook had a lot of usage but that didn't convert to wins. That was part of the problem with 1 player doing too much on banged up squad that ISO's a lot.


We'll just have to agree to disagree about the playoff part. It's not Curry's problem if his competition got hurt at the wrong time.


1. Lebron
2. James Harden - carried his team through injuries
3. Anthony Davis
4. Curry - did great but I don't think he can carry a team yet.

I really believe all three would have fared a little better than Curry on a team that had the best offense and defense. And I think a very good argument could be made for Westbrook and CP3 doing better. I don't think Lebron would have beat their team single handily twice, with 4 guys name mo.

[Pointguard]

Try 6'7".

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?draft=15&year=All

He was real young when he came into the league and probably did grow. I know I never seen another player confuse Dirk with his defense like TMac.

[kshutts1]

1. Lebron
2. James Harden - carried his team through injuries
3. Anthony Davis
4. Curry - did great but I don't think he can carry a team yet.

I really believe all three would have fared a little better than Curry on a team that had the best offense and defense. And I think a very good argument could be made for Westbrook and CP3 doing better. I don't think Lebron would have beat their team single handily twice, with 4 guys name mo.

For players above Curry this past season, I'd put Harden, Lebron, Westbrook, Davis, CP3.

Reason for Westbrook's inclusion is I agree with you that if Curry had to do what Westbrook was asked to do, he'd fail. His mindset is not that of a Kobe or TMac, where he is ready and willing to do everything for his team. Switch Curry and Westbrook, and the Thunder win even less games... but so do the Warriors.
Considering the path the Warriors took to the Finals (not having to face the Clips), I'm pretty confident a Westbrook-lead Warriors team, while being worse than one with Curry, would still win the title.

Harden should have won the MVP. He did almost as much as Curry (second seed in the West) with A LOT less help. He was better last year.

Lebron is pretty obvious, IMO. Switch Lebron and Curry's teams, and Lebron doesn't lose a game in the Finals. Not even close.

Switch CP3 and Curry, and both teams pretty much stay the same. Paul's superior defense is the tie-breaker.

Davis was my second MVP pick. He had a fabulous year, and pretty much carried his team to the playoffs in a stacked conference.

Something that a lot of people choose to overlook is how much help Curry had, and how that help made EVERYTHING easier for him. I'm not saying Curry is a bad player, not at all. But his incredible efficiency is partly because of his stacked team. His team's win total is directly related to his stacked team. And Curry's a near perfect fit for his roster. None of that is Curry's fault, but if you want to know which player was better, this context matters.

I want to edit this to say that, similar to the Westbrook comparison, TMac would have won a title with this Warriors roster, but it would be a little closer than it was (TMac is not as good a fit on this particular team). But Curry on the Magic? That would have been a train wreck of a team.

[kshutts1]

He was real young when he came into the league and probably did grow. I know I never seen another player confuse Dirk with his defense like TMac.
Stephen Jackson?

[Pointguard]

Stephen Jackson?
Tmac played him even better than Stephen Jackson.

[kshutts1]

Tmac played him even better than Stephen Jackson.
Nice. Wish I had seen/remembered that.

[warriorfan]

For players above Curry this past season, I'd put Harden, Lebron, Westbrook, Davis, CP3.

Reason for Westbrook's inclusion is I agree with you that if Curry had to do what Westbrook was asked to do, he'd fail. His mindset is not that of a Kobe or TMac, where he is ready and willing to do everything for his team. Switch Curry and Westbrook, and the Thunder win even less games... but so do the Warriors.
Considering the path the Warriors took to the Finals (not having to face the Clips), I'm pretty confident a Westbrook-lead Warriors team, while being worse than one with Curry, would still win the title.

Harden should have won the MVP. He did almost as much as Curry (second seed in the West) with A LOT less help. He was better last year.

Lebron is pretty obvious, IMO. Switch Lebron and Curry's teams, and Lebron doesn't lose a game in the Finals. Not even close.

Switch CP3 and Curry, and both teams pretty much stay the same. Paul's superior defense is the tie-breaker.

Davis was my second MVP pick. He had a fabulous year, and pretty much carried his team to the playoffs in a stacked conference.

Something that a lot of people choose to overlook is how much help Curry had, and how that help made EVERYTHING easier for him. I'm not saying Curry is a bad player, not at all. But his incredible efficiency is partly because of his stacked team. His team's win total is directly related to his stacked team. And Curry's a near perfect fit for his roster. None of that is Curry's fault, but if you want to know which player was better, this context matters.

I want to edit this to say that, similar to the Westbrook comparison, TMac would have won a title with this Warriors roster, but it would be a little closer than it was (TMac is not as good a fit on this particular team). But Curry on the Magic? That would have been a train wreck of a team.

Westbrook better than Curry? Warriors winning a championship with Westbrook? Westbrook couldn't get it with Durant, Harden, and Ibaka and he is going to get it done with Klay, Green, and Barnes?? What a totally insane post.