6th round pick Pete Myers journey to replacing MJ IN 1994

[Hey Yo]

1986

[Straight_Ballin]

When lebron wins 6 championships, we can talk.

I'll even let the lack of perfection in 6/10 slide.

Oh wait.. this is Lebron we are talking about. Who are we kidding here. :lol

[The_Pharcyde]

yeah replace jordan with an average player and you go from 3 peat champion

with 61 wins,67 wins and 57 wins in those years to a team that losses in the 2nd round(the same success as the 2013 bulls)

you cant say a lebron led team would never still be that successful because lebron never achieved the success that jordan did, jordan and the bulls 3 peated, lebron won 2... the difference is one but that margin of difficulty is unbelieveable...a reason why it has only been done by the vintage celtics, jordans bulls twice and a team with two top 10 players ever in kobe&shaq

no one else has done it


and who is to say with a 29 year old jordan and a prime pippen and grant that the 94 team doesnt win 70 games

I know what narrative you want to be pushed though

[DonDadda59]

This man talking about Bron when the Spurs '14 squad fielded 2 former D-Leauge players who played key roles for them:

Danny Green
Patty Mills


These guys that no NBA team wanted were paired with the ghost of Tim Duncan, a comfortably past prime Parker, and a completely finished Manu.

Result? The Heat were smoked so thoroughly that Bron packed his bags and ran back home.

But good on Pete Myers for helping the 3X defending champions win a first round series. :applause:

[The_Pharcyde]

This man talking about Bron when the Spurs '14 squad fielded 2 former D-Leauge players who played key roles for them:

Danny Green
Patty Mills


These guys that no NBA team wanted were paired with the ghost of Tim Duncan, a comfortably past prime Parker, and a completely finished Manu.

Result? The Heat were smoked so thoroughly that Bron packed his bags and ran back home.

But good on Pete Myers for helping the 3X defending champions win a first round series. :applause:


:cheers:

[72-10]

Did you know that the 1985-86 Bulls were 21-43 without Jordan? 21-43 dude.

I wonder how Game 2 against the Celtics would have gone with Orlando Woolridge leading them.

[Crystallas]

Bulls Won 2 less regular season games than the year before with Pete Myers and then took the NYK to 7 games in the semi-finals with replacement Pete Myers.


And they had the addition of

http://cdn.slamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/09/a_kukoc.jpg

Who got much better in the 2nd half of the season.

Toni > Pete, as far as team impact. He was absolutely clutch at the end of the year.

[72-10]

If you're wondering why the 1992-93 Bulls had a lesser record of "only 57-25", it's because Jordan and Pippen were a little fatigued. You know, they had just played about 200 games in the past two years, including playing in the 1992 Summer Olympics. It was basketball nonstop for them.

[Hey Yo]

This man talking about Bron when the Spurs '14 squad fielded 2 former D-Leauge players who played key roles for them:

Danny Green
Patty Mills


These guys that no NBA team wanted were paired with the ghost of Tim Duncan, a comfortably past prime Parker, and a completely finished Manu.

Result? The Heat were smoked so thoroughly that Bron packed his bags and ran back home.

But good on Pete Myers for helping the 3X defending champions win a first round series. :applause:
Mills wasn't a starter in the regular season or playoffs in 2014.....but Myers was in 1994.

Green didn't have this journey:

1986

[97 bulls]

If you're wondering why the 1992-93 Bulls had a lesser record of "only 57-25", it's because Jordan and Pippen were a little fatigued. You know, they had just played about 200 games in the past two years, including playing in the 1992 Summer Olympics. It was basketball nonstop for them.
Funny thing is I said the same thing in another thread and it was called gibberish

[DonDadda59]

Mills wasn't a starter in the regular season or playoffs in 2014.....but Myers was in 1994.

Danny Green was the starting SG for the World Champion Spurs in 2014 dawg. He was a former Bron teammate on the Cavs, ended up playing in the D-League, then joined the Spurs who won 62 games in '14.

And for the record, former D-Leaguer Patty Mills came off the bench during the '14 finals and put up 10 PPG on 54% FG (56% from 3). He had a TS% of .729, Green had a TS% of .681... And Bron lost the finals MVP to the role player who was checking him (and it wouldn't be the last time during that 1 year stretch) :yaohappy:

Bron was atom bombed in the finals by a team made up of D-Leaguers and washed up former stars... but you're telling us about how a team went from 3 straight championships to only a first round win with a Danny Green/Patty Mills caliber player and that's supposed to impress people? :confusedshrug:

[72-10]

1992-93 Bulls with Jordan (78 games: 56 wins, 22 losses)
1992-93 Bulls without Jordan (4 games: 1 win, 3 losses)

1994-95 Bulls with Jordan (17 games: 13 wins, 4 losses)
1994-95 Bulls without Jordan (65 games: 34 wins, 31 losses)

/end thread

[Straight_Ballin]

If you're wondering why the 1992-93 Bulls had a lesser record of "only 57-25", it's because Jordan and Pippen were a little fatigued. You know, they had just played about 200 games in the past two years, including playing in the 1992 Summer Olympics. It was basketball nonstop for them.

And yet idiots say that it was because Pippen wasn't as good. :lol

[Hey Yo]

If you're wondering why the 1992-93 Bulls had a lesser record of "only 57-25", it's because Jordan and Pippen were a little fatigued. You know, they had just played about 200 games in the past two years, including playing in the 1992 Summer Olympics. It was basketball nonstop for them.
Is that why MJ quit on the Bulls, in the middle of his contract, after that 92-93 season?

[72-10]

end of thread dude. you don't know what you're talking about

[Hey Yo]

[B]Danny Green was the starting SG for the World Champion Spurs in 2014 dawg. He was a former Bron teammate on the Cavs, ended up playing in the D-League, then joined the Spurs who won 62 games in '14.

And for the record, former D-Leaguer Patty Mills came off the bench during the '14 finals and put up 10 PPG on 54% FG (56% from 3). He had a TS% of .729, Green had a TS% of .681... And Bron lost the finals MVP to the role player who was checking him (and it wouldn't be the last time during that 1 year stretch) :yaohappy:

Bron was atom bombed in the finals by a team made up of D-Leaguers and washed up former stars... but you're telling us about how a team went from 3 straight championships to only a first round win with a Danny Green/Patty Mills caliber player and that's supposed to impress people? :confusedshrug:
I realize that, but Green didn't have to go through this:

1986

[Hey Yo]

end of thread dude. you don't know what you're talking about
I posted facts.....

[72-10]

:facepalm your ignorance is appalling. Do you even bother to read the thread or do you just try to push your agenda?

[Hey Yo]

end of thread dude. you don't know what you're talking about
I posted facts, Chico

[72-10]

Here's another one for you, may have heard of it before.

Bulls record in the NBA Finals with Jordan: 6-0, 6 NBA Finals MVPs to Jordan
Bulls entire franchise history without Jordan: 0 NBA Finals appearances

/end thread dude

[DonDadda59]

I realize that, but Green didn't have to go through this:

1986–1987 Chicago Bulls
1987–1988 Rockford Lightning (CBA)
1988 San Antonio Spurs
1988 Philadelphia 76ers
1988 Zaragoza (Spain)
1988–1990 New York Knicks
1990 New Jersey Nets
1990 San Antonio Spurs
1991–1992 Fortitudo Pallacanestro Bologna (Italy)
1991 →Albany Patroons (CBA)
1992–1993 Scavolini Pesaro (Italy)
1993–1995 Chicago Bulls.

How is this relevant? Plenty of NBA players play on numerous teams, overseas, etc. Does not change the fact that the Spurs had 2 former D-Leaguers absolutely chop up Bron and squad in the '14 FINALS.

And for the record, before becoming the Bulls head coach, Phil Jackson was the Albany Patroons head coach. So I guess that means the GOAT turned a Pete Myers level coach into the GOAT coach? :lebronamazed:


You're pumping up Green as if he, and not Pete Myers, makes the difference in 94 and carries the Bulls to the Finals.

Danny Green led the Spurs to a championship, Pete Myers led the Bulls to a first round win. D-League FTW. :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

1986–1987 Chicago Bulls
1987–1988 Rockford Lightning (CBA)
1988 San Antonio Spurs
1988 Philadelphia 76ers
1988 Zaragoza (Spain)
1988–1990 New York Knicks
1990 New Jersey Nets
1990 San Antonio Spurs
1991–1992 Fortitudo Pallacanestro Bologna (Italy)
1991 →Albany Patroons (CBA)
1992–1993 Scavolini Pesaro (Italy)
1993–1995 Chicago Bulls.

in the 1993-94 season, Myers played all 82 regular season games for the first time in his NBA career and started 81. Myers made career-high averages of 24.8 minutes, 7.9 points, 1.0 steal, and 3.0 assists per game as well as 2.2 rebounds.

In the playoffs (10gms, 24MPG), he avg. 7pts, 1 rebound and 2ast.

Bulls Won 2 less regular season games than the year before with Pete Myers and then took the NYK to 7 games in the semi-finals with replacement Pete Myers.



Replace LeBron with peak Pete Myers......how many 2nd round playoff series do the Cavs participate in?


well its the east so... how many years has lebron played?... that many



lol jk


but seriously...


2007 they atleast make the playoffs
2009 possibly 2nd round
2010 possibly 2nd round
2011 possible finals with prime wade/bosh
2012 possible finals with prime wade/bosh
2013 possible finals with wade/ prime bosh and ray allen
2014 possible finals with wade/ prime bosh and ray allen
2015 possible possible 2nd round


youre not factoring in the lack of competition


even if lebron never joined miami i think wade and bosh win a ring or 2 together.

probably 2011 and 2012..

lebron off that 2011 team and any positive impact whatsoever in his placement would equal a title instead of an upset

[72-10]

nothing like talking about the hypothetical when you can deal with the real thing

this thread had the potential to be interesting if it were not about someone pushing his agenda and ignoring the facts

[97 bulls]

What people fail to realize is that the 93 Bulls and the 94 Bulls were not really the same team.
Jordan, Scott Williams, Stacy King, Trent Tucker weren't on the 94 Bulls playoff roster. Luc Longley, Kukoc, Steve Kerr, Bill Wennington, weren't on the Championship threepeat squad.

[SouBeachTalents]

well its the east so... how many years has lebron played?... that many



lol jk


but seriously...


2007 they atleast make the playoffs
2009 possibly 2nd round
2010 possibly 2nd round
2011 possible finals with prime wade/bosh
2012 possible finals with prime wade/bosh
2013 possible finals with wade/ prime bosh and ray allen
2014 possible finals with wade/ prime bosh and ray allen
2015 possible possible 2nd round


youre not factoring in the lack of competition


even if lebron never joined miami i think wade and bosh win a ring or 2 together.

probably 2011 and 2012..

lebron off that 2011 team and any positive impact whatsoever in his placement would equal a title instead of an upset

There's not a chance in the world the Heat make the Finals in '12, '13 or '14 replacing LeBron with Pete Myers. And I'd be very curious to see how the Cavs do in '09 & '10 with Myers in place of LeBron

[outbreak]

[QUOTE=Hey Yo]1986

[KembaWalker]

We ignoring Kukoc addition?

[Hey Yo]

How is this relevant? Plenty of NBA players play on numerous teams, overseas, etc. Does not change the fact that the Spurs had 2 former D-Leaguers absolutely chop up Bron and squad in the '14 FINALS.

And for the record, before becoming the Bulls head coach, Phil Jackson was the Albany Patroons head coach. So I guess that means the GOAT turned a Pete Myers level coach into the GOAT coach? :lebronamazed:



Danny Green led the Spurs to a championship, Pete Myers led the Bulls to a first round win. D-League FTW. :applause:
Pete is the definition of a journeyman.

He was drafted in the 6th round,10yrs prior to taking over for MJ and played many years overseas because he wasn't good enough for the NBA

Green or Mills didn't have to take Pete's route in order to take over for the GOAT.

Does Myers in the starting line-up replacing LeBron even get the Cavs to the playoffs?

[Hey Yo]

Kyrie, Love, Smith, Shumpert, Williams, Varejao, Miller, Mozgov.

Still a shot at the second round in the east if healthy and playing a different game plan....
You're forgetting that LeBron played his first 7 seasons in Cleveland.

[DonDadda59]

Pete is the definition of a journeyman.

He was drafted in the 6th round,10yrs prior to taking over for MJ and played many years overseas because he wasn't good enough for the NBA

Green or Mills didn't have to take Pete's route in order to take over for the GOAT.

Does Myers in the starting line-up replacing LeBron even get the Cavs to the playoffs?

Patty and Danny played in the Developmental League because they weren't good enough for the NBA (With Danny having started his career with makes everyone better himself, LeBron James).

Difference is they ripped LeBron a new asshole in the FINALS and made the man flee Wade County like the apocalypse was coming.

[Hey Yo]

Patty and Danny played in the Developmental League because they weren't good enough for the NBA (With Danny having started his career with makes everyone better himself, LeBron James).

Difference is they ripped LeBron a new asshole in the FINALS and made the man flee Wade County like the apocalypse was coming.
Yet they never had to play overseas for 4yrs like MJ's journeyman replacement Pete Myers did.

replace LeBron on the Cavs with Myers...do they ever get to to the playoffs or past the first round?

Do the Cavs win 2 less games than any prior year with Myers replacing LeBron?

[ClipperRevival]

Bulls added Kukoc, Kerr and Longley in 1993-94. Kukoc was an impactful player. Not to mention, guys like Pippen, Grant and BJ were entering their primes.

Also, someone mentioned the fatigue factor for the Bulls in 1992-93. That had to be a factor for "only" 57 wins. They had made deep playoff runs for 5 straight years.

But let's let OP think it was just a simple matter of replacing MJ with Myers. :rolleyes:

[3ball]

Yet they never had to play overseas for 4yrs like MJ's journeyman replacement Pete Myers did.

replace LeBron on the Cavs with Myers...do they ever get to to the playoffs or past the first round?

Do the Cavs win 2 less games than any prior year with Myers replacing LeBron?
Heck, it was the exact same roster since 1988, so you probably think the Bulls could've made the 2nd Round in ANY season without MJ, not just 1994, right?.. :rolleyes:

Obviously not, which means the journey was an accumulative one - the acquisition of 3-peat caliber execution, strategy, and teamwork enabled the Bulls to make the 2nd Round without MJ in 1994.. MJ had to lead the Bulls to a 3-peat first, before they could make the 2nd Round without him.

Every championship Bulls team required MJ to lead the league in scoring and be the greatest scorer ever.. So when the Bulls made the 2nd Round in 1994, it wasn't because they had a bunch of talented scorers, it was because of the 3-peat caliber of execution, strategy, and mental ability accumulated from 3-peating with MJ.

Btw, what good is it to say "kobe would've won a 4th ring in 1994", when he couldn't average the 36/7/8 on 53% that the Bulls needed from MJ to 3-peat in the first place (those were MJ's Finals averages)?.. Kobe's typical 25/5/5 on 45% in the Finals wouldn't have come anywhere NEAR being enough to 3-peat.. So if Kobe can't 3-peat in the first place, then it doesn't matter whether he could win a 4th straight ring with MJ's finished-product, 3-peat Bulls?.. And obviously, if Kobe or anyone else wins in 1994, then MJ would've won as well and given himself a real 4-peat.. his own, earned 4-peat - which would've widened his lead as the goat.

[97 bulls]

Heck, it was the exact same roster since 1988, so you probably think the Bulls could've made the 2nd Round in ANY season without MJ, not just 1994, right?.. :rolleyes:

Obviously not, which means the journey was an accumulative one - the acquisition of 3-peat caliber execution, strategy, and teamwork enabled the Bulls to make the 2nd Round without MJ in 1994.. MJ had to lead the Bulls to a 3-peat first, before they could make the 2nd Round without him.

Every championship Bulls team required MJ to lead the league in scoring and be the greatest scorer ever.. So when the Bulls made the 2nd Round in 1994, it wasn't because they had a bunch of talented scorers, it was because of the 3-peat caliber of execution, strategy, and mental ability accumulated from 3-peating with MJ.

Btw, what good is it to say "kobe would've won a 4th ring in 1994", when he couldn't average the 36/7/8 on 53% that the Bulls needed from MJ to 3-peat in the first place (those were MJ's Finals averages)?.. Kobe's typical 25/5/5 on 45% in the Finals wouldn't have come anywhere NEAR being enough to 3-peat.. So if Kobe can't 3-peat in the first place, then it doesn't matter whether he could win a 4th straight ring with MJ's finished-product, 3-peat Bulls?.. And obviously, if Kobe or anyone else wins in 1994, then MJ would've won as well and given himself a real 4-peat.. his own, earned 4-peat - which would've widened his lead as the goat.
You act like every series went to game seven. By Jordans own admonition he wanted to lead the league in scoring while winning a championship.

Luc Longley, Myers, Kerr, Wennigton, and Kukoc did not play with Jordan. And yet played an important role in the Bulls success in 94. Please explain this

[Smoke117]

Stop trying so hard to be "edgy"...it's cringe worthy.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Stop trying so hard to be "edgy"...it's cringe worthy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YA4vDT37rzc

[Asukal]

This man talking about Bron when the Spurs '14 squad fielded 2 former D-Leauge players who played key roles for them:

Danny Green
Patty Mills


These guys that no NBA team wanted were paired with the ghost of Tim Duncan, a comfortably past prime Parker, and a completely finished Manu.

Result? The Heat were smoked so thoroughly that Bron packed his bags and ran back home.

But good on Pete Myers for helping the 3X defending champions win a first round series. :applause:

If it wasn't for rayray, lebum would be 1/6. :oldlol: :lol :roll:

[KNOW1EDGE]

2/5

[DoctorP]

This man talking about Bron when the Spurs '14 squad fielded 2 former D-Leauge players who played key roles for them:

Danny Green
Patty Mills


These guys that no NBA team wanted were paired with the ghost of Tim Duncan, a comfortably past prime Parker, and a completely finished Manu.

Result? The Heat were smoked so thoroughly that Bron packed his bags and ran back home.

But good on Pete Myers for helping the 3X defending champions win a first round series. :applause:


Smoked.

[NuggetsFan]

with a Danny Green/Patty Mills caliber player and that's supposed to impress people? :confusedshrug:

Fck LeBron & Jordan stans. Grown ass men throwing solid players under the bus so they can go back and forth with whatever agenda they feel like pushing.

Stupid thread but comparing Myers to somebody like Green is a joke. Green was considered by some as a potential steal where he was being drafted. By his 3rd season he was already a good 3&D player. Guy will make 10m a season simply because of how well he defends and shoots the 3. Patty Mills is more comparable but still much better.

Myers took years to even start and get his chance. How many D-League games did Green play, like 15? :oldlol: 2 seasons to be an elite role player.