Free Throw Rate

[Marchesk]

FTA / FGA

Career:
MJ - .348
Kobe - .388
Lebron - .428
Durant - .435
Wade - .459
Harden - .548

Peak:
MJ - .459
Durant - .477
Kobe - .502
Lebron - .506
Wade - .578
Harden - .592

Bigs:
Kareem - .329 / .410
Hakeem - .363 / .453
Wilt - .505 / .776
Shaq - .573 / .713
Howard - .815 / .978

[Akhenaten]

That Harden crap is disgusting, I HATE that dudes game.

[Marchesk]

That Harden crap is disgusting, I HATE that dudes game.

I updated the post. Not as bad, but his peak season is close.

I was shocked at how low Kareem's was. Wilt's high during his volume scoring years was only .442.

[DonDadda59]

FTA / FGA

Career:
MJ - .348
Kobe - .388
Lebron - .428
Durant - .435
Wade - .459
Harden - .548

Peak:
MJ - .459
Durant - .477
Kobe - .502
Lebron - .506
Wade - .578
Harden - .592

Bigs:
Kareem - .329 / .410
Hakeem - .363 / .453
Wilt - .505 / .776
Shaq - .573 / .713
Howard - .815 / .978

But people don't want to admit that perimeter players have it made in the shade in this era.

Jordan with Harden's FTr would've had a couple 40 PPG seasons.

[JimmyMcAdocious]

Why was KAJ's so low? Because you don't get fouled on the sky hook?

[Marchesk]

But people don't want to admit that perimeter players have it made in the shade in this era.

Jordan with Harden's FTr would've had a couple 40 PPG seasons.

Funny thing is that everyone says that Jordan got favouritism from the league back then.

[DonDadda59]

Why was KAJ's so low? Because you don't get fouled on the sky hook?

He was more of a finesse player than those other guys and teams didn't intentionally foul him like they did Shaq/Wilt/etc because he could actually shoot FTs proficiently.


Funny thing is that everyone says that Jordan got favouritism from the league back then.

Most people are ignorant, clueless idiots so it makes sense. I shudder to think what a Bad Boy Pistons 'Harden Rules' type defense would've produced in terms of FTr in this era.

[Marchesk]

Why was KAJ's so low? Because you don't get fouled on the sky hook?

Maybe that and he was a pretty good free throw shooter for a center. Bill Walton's rate was really low too.

Hakeem:

.363 / .438 (rookie season)

[Marchesk]

Makes me wonder if Harden is the all-time perimeter FTr leader. I can't seem to search for it on BR. Who else would be up there?

[Marchesk]

Some Others:

Dr J - .345 / .377
Elgin - .366 / .462
West - .462 / .561
Oscar - .468 / .568

Melo - .385 / .466
Westbrook - .392 / .445 (last season)
AI - .410 / .512

West and Oscar got that modern day treatment.

[ClipperRevival]

Just for pure comedy, I would love to see Harden transported to the Pistons Bad Boys days and see him trying that flopping crap with the 80's rules. Let's see him deal with the "Harden Rules." Mahorn, Lambo, Rodman and Salley ain't giving him no ticky tack fouls.

[Akrazotile]

Are there any stats on free throws per drive to the basket?

Bc Jordan and Kobe took a lot of midrange shots in their career which guys like Harden hardly ever take. Obviously Jordan and Kobe attacked the basket plenty, but if I had to guess, guys like Harden and Lebron and Wade take a higher percentage of their shots on drives, which are more likely to generate a foul.

Maybe there still is a disparity from previous eras, I dont know, but just going by FT per FGA? Doesnt seem like an equal comparison if guys arent taking shots that draw fouls at an equal rate.

[Asukal]

Harden is very good in exploiting the current rules. Bran need to take notes. :applause:

[NuggetsFan]

Just for pure comedy, I would love to see Harden transported to the Pistons Bad Boys days and see him trying that flopping crap with the 80's rules. Let's see him deal with the "Harden Rules." Mahorn, Lambo, Rodman and Salley ain't giving him no ticky tack fouls.

But that wouldn't happen. Harden wouldn't play like that back than if he wanted to succeed in the NBA. People just can't seem to understand that tho. He's probably being coached up to play like that. Take advantage of his craftiness, handles, driving ability etc. and live at the line. Goal is to win basketball games. Getting FT's helps you do that.

Just like everything else drawing FT's is a skill. Doesn't happen at random or Harden wouldn't destroy like he does at it.

Coaches/GM's evolve with the game. There's so many numbers guys within the NBA nowadays that it's basically become a chuck fest from deep, or shoot in close. They've erased the midrange game atleast from the eye test. Which is where your least likely to get fouled unless your Durant & king of the rip move. Makes sense players today live at the line.

[NuggetsFan]

Harden is very good in exploiting the current rules. Bran need to take notes. :applause:

Seriously. Sucks to watch and can't count how many times Harden/Durant have made me pull my hair out watching games. Can't fault guys for exploiting the rules. Get mad at the league, not the players. Everybody flops now anyways certain guys just excel at it more than others.

Hope guys like Nurk and Mudiay take notice and learn how to exaggerate contact so the Nuggets can benefit.

[kshutts1]

Makes me wonder if Harden is the all-time perimeter FTr leader. I can't seem to search for it on BR. Who else would be up there?
Maggette? For his career he's .624 if I did the stat correctly.

[Gileraracer]

Wade's stats still living from 06 finals.


16.2 FTA/G :biggums:


#rigged

[dunksby]

But people don't want to admit that perimeter players have it made in the shade in this era.

Jordan with Harden's FTr would've had a couple 40 PPG seasons.
It's not about treatment, it's the style, Harden doesn't take many jumpers and drives to the basket to draw fouls.

[dunksby]

Why was KAJ's so low? Because you don't get fouled on the sky hook?
Kareem was fouled and hacked a lot, compared to today, they used to scratch his eyes so much he had to wear goggles. Refs usually don't call fouls for bigs unless it's an intentional foul and Kareem was a very good FT shooter; teams didn't hack-a-shaq him.

[Rocketswin2013]

Barkley, was at .600+ several times. Robinson was at .500+ too.


Adrian Dantley was at around .600 a lot.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Do you guys even watch Rockets games? He is legitimately fouled all the time. Defenders love to rake this dudes arm during his drives. Plus he is always in attack mode because of the analytic system they run. Either 3 pointer or drive hard to the rim

All the guys of that list are mid range shooters which Harden is not

I can absolutely guarantee Harden will not have a long career. He plays way too agressive

[72-10]

Harden receives All-Star treatment all the time, it is obscene.

Of course this is an attempt by the league to have another scorer as dominant as Michael Jordan, seeing that he was a cash cow for the league.

[DonDadda59]

Are there any stats on free throws per drive to the basket?

Bc Jordan and Kobe took a lot of midrange shots in their career which guys like Harden hardly ever take. Obviously Jordan and Kobe attacked the basket plenty, but if I had to guess, guys like Harden and Lebron and Wade take a higher percentage of their shots on drives, which are more likely to generate a foul.

Maybe there still is a disparity from previous eras, I dont know, but just going by FT per FGA? Doesnt seem like an equal comparison if guys arent taking shots that draw fouls at an equal rate.

Star perimeter players who played under both sets of rules (3 sec/handchecking/no handchecking):

Allen Iverson

'96-'01 (handchecking, no 3-sec rule): .385 [.449 peak]
'01-'05 (handchecking, 3-sec rule): .391 [.432 peak]
'05-'09 (no handchecking, 3-sec rule): .468 [.512 peak *full season*]

*AI, drafted in 1996, had his career scoring high in 2006 (33 PPG) just after handchecking on the perimeter was completely eliminated.

Kobe Bryant (As a Starter)

'98-'01: (handchecking, no 3-sec rule): .361 [.375 peak]
'01-'05: (handchecking, 3-sec rule): .415 [.502 peak]
'05-'10: (no handchecking, 3-sec rule): .401 [.437 peak]

*Kobe, drafted in 1996, had his career scoring high in 2006 (35.4 PPG) just after handchecking on the perimeter was completely eliminated

[ClipperRevival]

But that wouldn't happen. Harden wouldn't play like that back than if he wanted to succeed in the NBA. People just can't seem to understand that tho. He's probably being coached up to play like that. Take advantage of his craftiness, handles, driving ability etc. and live at the line. Goal is to win basketball games. Getting FT's helps you do that.

Just like everything else drawing FT's is a skill. Doesn't happen at random or Harden wouldn't destroy like he does at it.

Coaches/GM's evolve with the game. There's so many numbers guys within the NBA nowadays that it's basically become a chuck fest from deep, or shoot in close. They've erased the midrange game atleast from the eye test. Which is where your least likely to get fouled unless your Durant & king of the rip move. Makes sense players today live at the line.

"Just for pure comedy?"

[Wade's Rings]

Wade's stats still living from 06 finals.


16.2 FTA/G :biggums:


#rigged

:biggums: