Marine Corps Female Unit Experiment Went As Expected

[UK2K]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/


The Pentagon faces increasing pressure to fully integrate women, following the historic Aug. 21 graduation of two female officers from the Army’s Ranger School. The legendarily difficult school was opened on an experimental basis this spring, with 1st Lt. Shaye Haver, 25, and Capt. Kristen Griest, 26, completing the requirements. Sixteen other women who attempted the course failed, while one other woman remained in the school’s third and final phase at Eglin Air Force Base as of last week.

It found that all-male squads, teams and crews demonstrated better performance on 93 of 134 tasks evaluated (69 percent) than units with women in them. Units comprising all men also were faster than units with women while completing tactical movements in combat situations, especially in units with large “crew-served” weapons like heavy machine guns and mortars, the study found.

Infantry squads comprising men only also had better accuracy than squads with women in them, with “a notable difference between genders for every individual weapons system” used by infantry rifleman units. They include the M4 carbine, the M27 infantry automatic rifle (IAR) and the M203, a single-shot grenade launcher mounted to rifles, the study found.

The research also found that male Marines who have not received infantry training were still more accurate using firearms than women who have. And in removing wounded troops from the battlefield, there “were notable differences in execution times between all-male and gender-integrated groups,” with the exception being when a single person—”most often a male Marine” — carried someone away, the study found.

The gender-integrated unit’s assessment also found that 40.5 percent of women participating suffered some form of musculoskeletal injury, while 18.8 percent of men did. Twenty-one women lost time in the unit due to injuries, 19 of whom suffered injuries to their lower extremities. Of those, 16 women were injured while while carrying heavy loads in an organized movement, like a march, the study found.

The research raises the question whether the Marine Corps may press to keep the infantry and Special Operations, in particular, closed to women. If they do so, they could face resistance from above: Navy Secretary Ray Mabus, who oversees both the Navy and Marine Corps, already has indicated that he sees no reason to keep the infantry closed to women.

“That’s still my call, and I’ve been very public,” Mabus said in a Sept. 1 interview with the independent Navy Times. “I do not see a reason for an exemption.”



Basically, integrated units were not as good as 'manly' things, which would be obvious to anyone who cared to see it. But as you see above, the Sec. of the Navy doesn't give a ****, because he thinks its the right and fair thing to allow women in a combat MOS', safety be damned.

Another reason I got out. The military, even the Marine Corps, has become 'politically correct' and is going to end up costing lives. It already has in the ME.

[West-Side]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/



Basically, integrated units were not as good as 'manly' things, which would be obvious to anyone who cared to see it. But as you see above, the Sec. of the Navy doesn't give a ****, because he thinks its the right and fair thing to allow women in a combat MOS', safety be damned.

Another reason I got out. The military, even the Marine Corps, has become 'politically correct' and is going to end up costing lives. It already has in the ME.

So they're okay with putting people's lives in danger during actual combat?
If a woman can do it let her, but don't give her any "special" privileges during training.

[UK2K]

So they're okay with putting people's lives in danger during actual combat?
If a woman can do it let her, but don't give her any "special" privileges during training.

The problem is, we now have quotas.

When I was in Afghanistan in 2010, they came out with a new order where the Marine Corps had to have X% of female and black officers. **** it if they aren't qualified, but they're going to find some and promote them because their skin is black or they have a vag.

It started in the civilian world (look at any police or fire department, they all have quotas now), and its slowly leaked into the military.

Now, you're going to see 145lb chicks pulling a 225lb SAW gunner out of danger, I'm sure.

As I said, I'm glad I am out and didn't have to see this. I served with females in combat, and some did well. One froze and almost got everyone in her truck killed. But, shit happens, we pulled her off the line and went on with our deployment.

[TheMan]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/checkpoint/wp/2015/09/10/marine-experiment-finds-women-get-injured-more-frequently-shoot-less-accurately-than-men/



Basically, integrated units were not as good as 'manly' things, which would be obvious to anyone who cared to see it. But as you see above, the Sec. of the Navy doesn't give a ****, because he thinks its the right and fair thing to allow women in a combat MOS', safety be damned.

Another reason I got out. The military, even the Marine Corps, has become 'politically correct' and is going to end up costing lives. It already has in the ME.
Are there that many women stupid enough to voluntarily go to the front lines :wtf:

[gasolina]

I think this is more of allowing people who want to serve the country the opportunity to do so. Sure I understand that statistically they're worse, but you've get exceptions who can fight and you need not close the door on those.

That being said, there are more issues on this even at face value (costs of having separate quarters, 1st thing came to mind) that need to be talked about.

I mean if a woman was a world class sniper then why not let her in?

[Orlando Magic]

I think this is more of allowing people who want to serve the country the opportunity to do so. Sure I understand that statistically they're worse, but you've get exceptions who can fight and you need not close the door on those.

That being said, there are more issues on this even at face value (costs of having separate quarters, 1st thing came to mind) that need to be talked about.

I mean if a woman was a world class sniper then why not let her in?

I don't think anyone is against disallowing females to fight side by side... as long as they reach a certain standard.

People can say it's politically incorrect or whatever, I really don't give a ****, but the reality is men and women were NOT created equal physically. Yes, of course, there are exceptions with some women being supremely physically gifted compared to average men but those are exceptions, not rules.

Men and women are not created equal physically. They aren't even created equal intellectually and emotionally.

It's been my experience that the average woman is more intelligent than the average man. The average woman is more emotionally unstable than the average man. The most intelligent men are more intelligent than the most intelligent women. The dumbest men are dumber than the dumbest women. The strongest man is far stronger than the strongest woman. It's just how we were built. People don't like to acknowledge these things because they want to live in this fairytale land of every living human being created equally, and as far as human rights go, they are, but in terms of mental and physical makeup, they absolutely are not.

Take from that what you will. I'm not a sexist. I'm a realist.

[Patrick Chewing]

I want all kinds of people in our military. Let's face it, our intel sucks in some parts of the world. I want to see women, children, grandmas in the marines and those underwater seals and dolphins that can plant bombs on nuclear submarines.

[UK2K]

I think this is more of allowing people who want to serve the country the opportunity to do so. Sure I understand that statistically they're worse, but you've get exceptions who can fight and you need not close the door on those.

That being said, there are more issues on this even at face value (costs of having separate quarters, 1st thing came to mind) that need to be talked about.

I mean if a woman was a world class sniper then why not let her in?
If she's world class, she'd be allowed I'm sure.

Like I said, I served with females on the front lines and some were great. Some not so much.

Just a few years ago, they allowed females on subs. Imagine how tight and cramped the spaces are on a sub, but now they're even worse because one female decides she needs her own bathroom and own living quarters.

When I was deployed, we would be on base for 4-6 days, and on the road for two to three weeks. Because we were never there, they gave us the shitty rooms. We were crammed 12 to a room, including all our gear and personal stuff. The4 females in my unit had the same rooms we did, but because there was only three (or CO was a female) they had a room meant for 12 occupied by three people. They had their own bathroom, where I shared mine with the 107 males in the company.

It's a logistical nightmare, and to be honest, they aren't really needed.

[Derka]

If you want to be politically correct about hiring cashiers, bankers and advertising executives...fine.

You can't f*ck with the military, the police or firefighters though. If a physically demanding job has a baseline physical requirement that is absolutely essential in the performance of that job...there's absolutely no business lowering it to accommodate people who aren't strong enough or good enough in these fields. At all.

[rezznor]

If she's world class, she'd be allowed I'm sure.

Like I said, I served with females on the front lines and some were great. Some not so much.

Just a few years ago, they allowed females on subs. Imagine how tight and cramped the spaces are on a sub, but now they're even worse because one female decides she needs her own bathroom and own living quarters.

When I was deployed, we would be on base for 4-6 days, and on the road for two to three weeks. Because we were never there, they gave us the shitty rooms. We were crammed 12 to a room, including all our gear and personal stuff. The4 females in my unit had the same rooms we did, but because there was only three (or CO was a female) they had a room meant for 12 occupied by three people. They had their own bathroom, where I shared mine with the 107 males in the company.

It's a logistical nightmare, and to be honest, they aren't really needed.

That's why starship troopers got it right

http://images.celebritymoviearchive.com/members/thumbs/sd/b/31/bM1713-Various@StarshipTroopers_3-500.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

This political correctness is a death sentence. Doesn't take a genius to know what the results were going to be. You know those women that are in submarines now because of political correctness are doing...they are getting fu#ked by the whole male crew. That's what they are good for. Not lying. Just bring down the overall product. Not to say that women aren't good at certain things.

[Nick Young]

Feminists are trying to say that the minimum requirement of pushups has nothing to do with the job of being a marine, and upper body strength is not very important. They say that the push up requirement was only put in place to keep women out of the Marines:roll:

They say shit like women can do some things better than men, men can do some things better than women. The only thing I can think of that women do better than men in terms of military would be multi-tasking in a desk role in a control room.

Women have a disadvantage in not just physical strength, but spatial awareness and hand eye co-ordination as well.

Why should marines lives be put in danger just to please a vocal minority of feminists who don't know shit about the military.

[UK2K]

:wtf:
Feminists are trying to say that the minimum requirement of pushups has nothing to do with the job of being a marine, and upper body strength is not very important. They say that the push up requirement was only put in place to keep women out of the Marines:roll:

They say shit like women can do some things better than men, men can do some things better than women. The only thing I can think of that women do better than men in terms of military would be multi-tasking in a desk role in a control room.

Women have a disadvantage in not just physical strength, but spatial awareness and hand eye co-ordination as well.

Why should marines lives be put in danger just to please a vocal minority of feminists who don't know shit about the military.

Why are unqualified blacks and females getting promoted in fire departments all across America for jobs they shouldn't be doing?

Because it's America 2015, where everyone is equal unless you want to play in the NBA then tough shit.

The word of this year will be 'social experiment'. Failures, one after the other.

But the biggest bitch is the Sec of the Navy said he doesn't care that the findings say its a bad idea, but doesn't give a reason.

[Nick Young]

I feel bad for the marines and soldiers who will die or be seriously injured because of this.

Already I hear so many horror stories of my friends in the military of the women hooking up with guys, then claiming sexual assault when the relationship goes sour and gaining promotions because of it while the guy screwed.

When dead women start coming back in coffins, the feminists will push to end this experiment. Until then, people's lives are being screwed with in the name of creating "equality" which will never exist.

If a women can pass all the same tests as a male marine, sure let her in, but don't lower the standards and then put her on the front lines just because.

[TheMan]

If you want to be politically correct about hiring cashiers, bankers and advertising executives...fine.

You can't f*ck with the military, the police or firefighters though. If a physically demanding job has a baseline physical requirement that is absolutely essential in the performance of that job...there's absolutely no business lowering it to accommodate people who aren't strong enough or good enough in these fields. At all.
Next thing you know, they'll start letting in 3 ft midgets into the Navy Seals :facepalm:

[TheMan]

This political correctness is a death sentence. Doesn't take a genius to know what the results were going to be. You know those women that are in submarines now because of political correctness are doing...they are getting fu#ked by the whole male crew. That's what they are good for. Not lying. Just bring down the overall product. Not to say that women aren't good at certain things.
I propose that if you're gonna stick females in a submarine full of dudes, they should be bull dykes, the kind you wouldn't fvck wiith your worst enemy's cawk.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3364/3543032703_c22e164954_b.jpg

[senelcoolidge]

I propose that if you're gonna stick females in a submarine full of dudes, they should be bull dykes, the kind you wouldn't fvck wiith your worst enemy's cawk.


I got that info from a guy that was on a sub with chicks. They were worthless. They got fu*ked by crew members. You want your crew to be focused.
I was in the Air Force years back. I saw a lot of chicks get pregnant...A LOT. Just total BS. Some got pregnant just to get out of the military. Others were just plain whores.

[UK2K]

I got that info from a guy that was on a sub with chicks. They were worthless. They got fu*ked by crew members. You want your crew to be focused.
I was in the Air Force years back. I saw a lot of chicks get pregnant...A LOT. Just total BS. Some got pregnant just to get out of the military. Others were just plain whores.

100% true.

When I was a young Devil Pup, I ended up banging this chick several times at MOS school.

Turns out she was stationed in Japan, didn't want to be, and ended up cheating on her husband (she wasn't married when I hit it) and ended up claiming rape once her husband found out. Even her friend (who I knew from MOS school) said she was lying.

Guy was found guilty, the rest is history.

[Rolando]

The military is about fighting and winning. Period.

You seriously going to show up to a fight with a bunch of women? Come on. Aside from being physically weaker, they also suck at working in groups. They just don't have a sense for it.

[UK2K]

The military is about fighting and winning. Period.

You seriously going to show up to a fight with a bunch of women? Come on. Aside from being physically weaker, they also suck at working in groups. They just don't have a sense for it.

It used to be.

But as you'll see in the OP, I mentioned political correctness has gotten people killed, and it has. Our rules of engagement changed and then changed again thanks to slanted media reports.

You should see all the steps we (would normally) have to take before firing. A car could be speeding at us, but first I have to use pen flares, flags, hand waving, shouting... By the time I could 'legally' shoot, they had to be within 25m of our convoy. I don't know if you're familiar with how not far 25m is, but its not far at all. Hope you don't miss.

And they knew our ROE's before we did. They would shoot at us until they ran out of ammo, throw down their rifle, and then walk out from wherever it was they were hiding and knew, KNEW, we couldn't legally shoot them. **** that, our LT was cool.

[UK2K]

As a follow up... Sec of the Navy says he doesn't care that the experiment failed, he's going to go ahead with the plan anyway.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/15/mabus-final-decision-women-combat-marine-debate/



Navy Secretary Ray Mabus has made his final decision. The infantry, SEALs, and all other combat jobs under the Navy should open to women by the end of this year, with no exemptions to the Pentagon’s new gender-neutral employment policy, Mabus said Monday during a speech in Ohio.

Results of a controversial Marine Corps study on women in combat released last week did not sway the Navy leader, who must approve recommendations from the sea services before they are forwarded to the Secretary of Defense and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

The lengthy Marine Corps experiment involving about 300 men and 100 women who volunteered as research subjects found that all-male units performed significantly better than mixed-gender ones on 69 percent of tactical tests. The task force on gender integration also found that women were injured more than twice as often as men, according to a brief summary of results released by the Corps.

So I must ask, what the **** was the point in the experiment then? I know, you were hoping the test would return favorable results, but your mind was made up already regardless.

And from a (personal friend) DI at PI, they attempted to integrate the training of recruits, and 86% of females couldn't do a single pull up. Not one.

But **** it, let's integrate them anyway. Another failed social experiment.

[imdaman99]

I got that info from a guy that was on a sub with chicks. They were worthless. They got fu*ked by crew members. You want your crew to be focused.
:biggums:
So you're telling me that you're gonna blame the women for the guys not being focused? What if they were gay and screwing each other? What kind of shitty reasoning is that? I am far from a feminist but I'm not a woman hater like all the angry people in this thread. Women nowadays want to be more than just housewives, it's time you guys accept that.

[KNOW1EDGE]

:biggums:
So you're telling me that you're gonna blame the women for the guys not being focused? What if they were gay and screwing each other? What kind of shitty reasoning is that? I am far from a feminist but I'm not a woman hater like all the angry people in this thread. Women nowadays want to be more than just housewives, it's time you guys accept that.

You didn't read the experiment, did you?

[KyrieTheFuture]

:biggums:
So you're telling me that you're gonna blame the women for the guys not being focused? What if they were gay and screwing each other? What kind of shitty reasoning is that? I am far from a feminist but I'm not a woman hater like all the angry people in this thread. Women nowadays want to be more than just housewives, it's time you guys accept that.
Okay, you can be more than a housewife, but just because you want to do something doesn't mean you can. I don't meet the mental requirements to be a NASA rocket scientist, they don't meet the physical requirements to be a Marine.

[UK2K]

:biggums:
So you're telling me that you're gonna blame the women for the guys not being focused? What if they were gay and screwing each other? What kind of shitty reasoning is that? I am far from a feminist but I'm not a woman hater like all the angry people in this thread. Women nowadays want to be more than just housewives, it's time you guys accept that.

You can be more than housewife without putting other people's lives at risk.

Would you risk your life doing a job alongside someone unqualified?

[TheMan]

:biggums:
So you're telling me that you're gonna blame the women for the guys not being focused? What if they were gay and screwing each other? What kind of shitty reasoning is that? I am far from a feminist but I'm not a woman hater like all the angry people in this thread. Women nowadays want to be more than just housewives, it's time you guys accept that.
I consider myself a progressive, I'd have no problems voting for a woman being leader of a nation, they've proven themselves to be more than capable in the past.

But there are some things men are better at than women and there are jobs women are better at than men. Military, police, firefighters, oil rig workers, deep sea fishing are a few of those jobs :confusedshrug:

It's just the way it is...they need to meet a physical requirement to do the job. That's why you don't see 3 1/2 ft midget cops.

[imdaman99]

I consider myself a progressive, I'd have no problems voting for a woman being leader of a nation, they've proven themselves to be more than capable in the past.

But there are some things men are better at than women and there are jobs women are better at than men. Military, police, firefighters, oil rig workers, deep sea fishing are a few of those jobs :confusedshrug:

It's just the way it is...they need to meet a physical requirement to do the job. That's why you don't see 3 1/2 ft midget cops.
Agreed on everything. I'm never gonna watch a woman's basketball game because they can't do it like men can. I was just questioning that guys specific belief that it was the women's fault that the guys were screwing around and being unfocused. That's like blaming rape victims for the rape... their skirts were too short!

[Nick Young]

If women basketball players had the same skill level, team work and fundamentals, I'd probably enjoy watching it even though there is a massive athleticism advantage compared to men.


But their skill level is closer to a bad high school boys team. Even watching the top WNBA teams, tactically they are worse than a bad high school boys team in LA.

I get that they will never do massive windmill dunks, but there's no excuse for having such low skill level and fundamentals. No excuses ladies! Your sport would draw more if you spent more time improving your skills.

[Coach Eddie]

So they're okay with putting people's lives in danger during actual combat?
If a woman can do it let her, but don't give her any "special" privileges during training.

This. Set a requirement, if a woman can pass it, let her. But if she can't don't lower the bar.

[Derka]

The military is about fighting and winning. Period.

You seriously going to show up to a fight with a bunch of women? Come on. Aside from being physically weaker, they also suck at working in groups. They just don't have a sense for it.

Politicians have been using the military to wage social and political wars with each other for decades, dude. In the age of 24 hour media coverage, its just more pronounced and in our faces than it's ever been.

[9erempiree]

There was a good interview on NPR about this.

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/10/19/women-combat-chad-russell

[Draz]

If you want to be politically correct about hiring cashiers, bankers and advertising executives...fine.

You can't f*ck with the military, the police or firefighters though. If a physically demanding job has a baseline physical requirement that is absolutely essential in the performance of that job...there's absolutely no business lowering it to accommodate people who aren't strong enough or good enough in these fields. At all.
I agree. Politics aside.

[Nick Young]

There was a good interview on NPR about this.

http://hereandnow.wbur.org/2015/10/19/women-combat-chad-russell
PC wins over common sense 99.9 of the time.

[AlphaWolf24]

As a follow up... Sec of the Navy says he doesn't care that the experiment failed, he's going to go ahead with the plan anyway.

http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/2015/sep/15/mabus-final-decision-women-combat-marine-debate/



So I must ask, what the **** was the point in the experiment then? I know, you were hoping the test would return favorable results, but your mind was made up already regardless.

And from a (personal friend) DI at PI, they attempted to integrate the training of recruits, and 86% of females couldn't do a single pull up. Not one.

But **** it, let's integrate them anyway. Another failed social experiment.


bolded.....I think doing pull ups 86% of the time doesn't mean jack sh!t as far as being a good troop.

i'm not saying all women should be incorporated into combat MOS's....but being able to do pullups is not an important criteria...IMO

being able to focus and hold yer bearing at all times.....far outweighs locking out your arms and getting your chin over a stationary bar.



- sh!t running is a better criteria then pullups....

- as far the PFT goes....I think females should be required to pass a male PFT or have the same requirements to get in a combat MOS.

there are some good WM's.....most are walking Mattresses...but some are good to go.

[UK2K]

bolded.....I think doing pull ups 86% of the time doesn't mean jack sh!t as far as being a good troop.

i'm not saying all women should be incorporated into combat MOS's....but being able to do pullups is not an important criteria...IMO

being able to focus and hold yer bearing at all times.....far outweighs locking out your arms and getting your chin over a stationary bar.



- sh!t running is a better criteria then pullups....

- as far the PFT goes....I think females should be required to pass a male PFT or have the same requirements to get in a combat MOS.

there are some good WM's.....most are walking Mattresses...but some are good to go.

Three pullups is the minimum to pass the PFT :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[TripleA]

Three pullups is the minimum to pass the PFT :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Only three shit our tests are easy as hell then. Gotta push that up to at least eight.
Our soldiers gotta be yoked.

[Nick Young]

bolded.....I think doing pull ups 86% of the time doesn't mean jack sh!t as far as being a good troop.

i'm not saying all women should be incorporated into combat MOS's....but being able to do pullups is not an important criteria...IMO

being able to focus and hold yer bearing at all times.....far outweighs locking out your arms and getting your chin over a stationary bar.



- sh!t running is a better criteria then pullups....

- as far the PFT goes....I think females should be required to pass a male PFT or have the same requirements to get in a combat MOS.

there are some good WM's.....most are walking Mattresses...but some are good to go.
You are right. Upper body strength is not important for combat troops on the front lines. Pull-up and push-up requirements are obviously a patriarchal conspiracy to keep women out of the glory associated with military action.

[UK2K]

Only three shit our tests are easy as hell then. Gotta push that up to at least eight.
Our soldiers gotta be yoked.
There's also a minimum score you need to pass, overall. Including sit-ups and a 3 mile run.

90% of the company would get +8 plus.

Every company had 10% of fattys who just barely scraped by.

[TripleA]

There's also a minimum score you need to pass, overall. Including sit-ups and a 3 mile run.

90% of the company would get +8 plus.

Every company had 10% of fattys who just barely scraped by.

Is this marines or all armed forces?

[UK2K]

Is this marines or all armed forces?

The Marines.

The other branches have easier PFTs. Not everyone in the air force needs to be physically fit.

[TripleA]

The Marines.

The other branches have easier PFTs. Not everyone in the air force needs to be physically fit.

I had teacher who was a marine in Vietnam and his sense of humor is so dark.
He had some scary ass stories.

[DeuceWallaces]

Surprise!

Initial report was a selected release to rile up misogynist conservatives.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/marines-study-casts-doubts-mixed-gender-units

[Nick Young]

Surprise!

Initial report was a selected release to rile up misogynist conservatives.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/marines-study-casts-doubts-mixed-gender-units
[QUOTE]

[NumberSix]

Surprise!

Initial report was a selected release to rile up misogynist conservatives.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/marines-study-casts-doubts-mixed-gender-units
There we have it folks. In one hiking exercise a mixed male/female group did better than some male only groups. All else is irrelevant. Case closed.

[9erempiree]

There we have it folks. In one hiking exercise a mixed male/female group did better than some male only groups. All else is irrelevant. Case closed.

Also, consider if we replaced our soldiers in the past with women, we could have ended the World Wars in a much quicker fashion.

I find it funny that these PC Liberals somehow feel a woman can do the same job as men when it involves killing and going ape-shit with rage,.

[poido123]

Surprise!

Initial report was a selected release to rile up misogynist conservatives.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/oct/17/marines-study-casts-doubts-mixed-gender-units


You are such a fcking idiot

[Nick Young]

You are such a fcking idiot
Ol DW is the same person who recently described CNN as "neutral and unbiased" journalism that delivers both sides of a story fairly.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[TonyMontana]

But ESPN tells me Ronda Rousey could beat men!

And all of my favorite movies, and tv shows show women kicking ass! Does Lady Brianne of Tarth ring a bell!!! Hell ya!

The study is obviously biased and the writer a misogynist pig. Women are absolutely equal or better than men in every single aspect of life.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/51/Brienneoftarth.jpg

[poido123]

Ol DW is the same person who recently described CNN as "neutral and unbiased" journalism that delivers both sides of a story fairly.
:roll: :roll: :roll:



wow.


:roll: :roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

Three pullups is the minimum to pass the PFT :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:


yeah... 3 pullups....lots of females have trouble with pullups...( many males too).but if they want to have a combat MOS...

then they have to work on getting the 3 :confusedshrug:



( I was just stating my opinion about pullups as a criteria...for men and women)

[ThePhantomCreep]

:wtf:

Why are unqualified blacks and females getting promoted in fire departments all across America for jobs they shouldn't be doing?
Because it's America 2015, where everyone is equal unless you want to play in the NBA then tough shit.

The word of this year will be 'social experiment'. Failures, one after the other.

But the biggest bitch is the Sec of the Navy said he doesn't care that the findings say its a bad idea, but doesn't give a reason.

Bigotry: Because every white man to ever got a job was totally qualified for it.

[JerrySeinfeld]

Ol DW is the same person who recently described CNN as "neutral and unbiased" journalism that delivers both sides of a story fairly.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

lol the same people who called Bernie Sanders supporters a bunch of kids

[dunksby]

Anyone with a lick of common sense and or understanding o human physiology knows that men are physically highly superior, just keep the bar high and let those who pass get in.

[UK2K]

There we have it folks. In one hiking exercise a mixed male/female group did better than some male only groups. All else is irrelevant. Case closed.

That offsets the 7 cases of sexual misconduct that took place during the TRAINING COURSE.

If I was a chick, the last thing I want to do is get stuck on an OP with no internet, phone, and surrounded by 20 ***** starved dudes looking for a release.

[DeuceWallaces]

Ol DW is the same person who recently described CNN as "neutral and unbiased" journalism that delivers both sides of a story fairly.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Please locate that quote.

And the point is that conclusions should not be drawn prematurely either way. Long term, scientific studies should be conducted without select results being presented in order to mask the truth. Anecdotes from idiot racist-misogynists like UK2K shouldn't be taken any more seriously than opinions of PC crusading feminist, but I fear there's too many walking hard-ons in the military for the issue to ultimately be resolved on the facts.

[Nick Young]

Please locate that quote.

And the point is that conclusions should not be drawn prematurely either way. Long term, scientific studies should be conducted without select results being presented in order to mask the truth. Anecdotes from idiot racist-misogynists like UK2K shouldn't be taken any more seriously than opinions of PC crusading feminist, but I fear there's too many walking hard-ons in the military for the issue to ultimately be resolved on the facts.
Here you go blondie ;)

During the broadcast. Of the debate. Which you and I were talking about.

No one employed by CNN or even any of the main contributors outside of reps interviewed in the spin-room declared her a winner; hence no systematic favoritism. You can post all the articles you want from pundits and analysts. Their job is to judge, while CNN, is quite good at presenting a politically neutral product.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11775218&postcount=30



You are right, we should ignore people with Armed Forces experience, and we should ignore test results. The people running these tests, and the soldiers, especially Marines are all racist misogynists.
It is only the Armed Forces after all. If this experiment doesn't work, and a few extra Americans die because of it, it's NBD, amirite brah?

Just kidding-you posted your idiotic Guardian article(the Guardian is as biased as CNN and Fox News) and the results there like it was conclusive fact. You are the only one in here listening to a biased slant on the study. Because that's what you want to believe. That men and women are exactly the same. Guess what, sport. Years of scientific studies will back up the fact that they aren't. The top female recruits tested on par with the bottom 5% male recruits.

You don't put people's lives at risk and purposefully lower the effectiveness of our fighting forces simply to appease a vocal minority of overweight PC feminists.

Do you not understand how counterproductive that would be?

Your argument here is based entirely on emotions and feelings and ignores facts and logic.

[UK2K]

Please locate that quote.

And the point is that conclusions should not be drawn prematurely either way. Long term, scientific studies should be conducted without select results being presented in order to mask the truth. Anecdotes from idiot racist-misogynists like UK2K shouldn't be taken any more seriously than opinions of PC crusading feminist, but I fear there's too many walking hard-ons in the military for the issue to ultimately be resolved on the facts.
Lol what have I said is untrue?

The requirements to pass a PFT? The length of our runs? It's not an opinion; it is a fact you must do 3 pullups to pass your PFT. :lol

You think you are so smart, when really, you don't know what you're talking about. The best part is, I've said from the beginning that females should be allowed to serve in combat designated units because I served with females in combat. If you can do the work, you should be able to get your legs blown off like every other male who signs up.

You still suck. Congrats.

[DeuceWallaces]

Here you go blondie ;)


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11775218&postcount=30



You are right, we should ignore people with Armed Forces experience, and we should ignore test results. The people running these tests, and the soldiers, especially Marines are all racist misogynists.
It is only the Armed Forces after all. If this experiment doesn't work, and a few extra Americans die because of it, it's NBD, amirite brah?

Just kidding-you posted your idiotic Guardian article(the Guardian is as biased as CNN and Fox News) and the results there like it was conclusive fact. You are the only one in here listening to a biased slant on the study. Because that's what you want to believe. That men and women are exactly the same. Guess what, sport. Years of scientific studies will back up the fact that they aren't. The top female recruits tested on par with the bottom 5% male recruits.

You don't put people's lives at risk and purposefully lower the effectiveness of our fighting forces simply to appease a vocal minority of overweight PC feminists.

Do you not understand how counterproductive that would be?

Your argument here is based entirely on emotions and feelings and ignores facts and logic.

You obviously don't understand what a quote is, but yes, they are adept at presenting such a product unlike MSNCB and FNC. You don't watch CNN so I wouldn't expect you to know that. Their anchors never project any political position, badger interviewees, and always let the talking heads say their piece and move on. The exact definition of an unbiased or politically neutral presentation.

[Nick Young]

You obviously don't understand what a quote is, but yes, they are adept at presenting such a product unlike MSNCB and FNC. You don't watch CNN so I wouldn't expect you to know that. Their anchors never project any political position, badger interviewees, and always let the talking heads say their piece and move on. The exact definition of an unbiased or politically neutral presentation.

https://media.giphy.com/media/I4Jmrcjnr8Zfq/giphy.gif

[tomtucker]

well, women might not be as strong as men, but i am sure there are some weak dudes in the military that folds under mental presure.......remember: some of the worst and most evil and hard cops are allways women, bet women could be mean soldiers too.........i would rather have 2 dykes by my side in combat then 3 fagggs

[UK2K]

well, women might not be as strong as men, but i am sure there are some weak dudes in the military that folds under mental presure.......remember: some of the worst and most evil and hard cops are allways women, bet women could be mean soldiers too.........i would rather have 2 dykes by my side in combat then 3 fagggs

Yep, like I said, I served with females. Some did exactly what they were supposed to do, one froze in combat and almost got everyone in her truck killed.

The worst ****ing part about having a female though, was when it came time to leave or after just getting back, the ones we had were not able to dismount the .50 cal on their own. I'll admit, that thing is a bitch, especially when you have to walk down the hood of a monster truck carrying it. Of course, we were in a security company, so we didn't walk around much, which made our jobs (physically) easier. Sure we had to stay awake for two or three days, but either sex can do that. Hiking up and down mountains with 120lbs of gear on is a different story though.

That, and (one) of them telling the CO they didnt want to go on runs anymore because she had no private place to use the bathroom. We live in our trucks for two or three weeks at a time, what do you expect? I'd walk down, stand on the hood, and piss off into the sand, but I am a dude and its a mans world.

[9erempiree]

well, women might not be as strong as men, but i am sure there are some weak dudes in the military that folds under mental presure.......remember: some of the worst and most evil and hard cops are allways women, bet women could be mean soldiers too.........i would rather have 2 dykes by my side in combat then 3 fagggs

Except if you get shot those dykes might not be able to carry you out to safety when those fagggs can.

You don't go in there with a blaze of glory. There has to be a plan to get out too.

[tomtucker]

Except if you get shot those dykes might not be able to carry you out to safety when those fagggs can.

You don't go in there with a blaze of glory. There has to be a plan to get out too.

yeah, but if a faggg safes your life, he might want a favor later :( ........:oldlol:
.
but seriously though, i don

[UK2K]

[QUOTE=tomtucker]yeah, but if a faggg safes your life, he might want a favor later :( ........:oldlol:
.
but seriously though, i don