50+ point Career highs that Kobe blasted away in 2 quarters

[kennethgriffin]

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55 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Toronto 1/22/2006 ( 2QRTS )


55 Dwyane Wade, Miami New York 4/12/2009
55 Tony Parker, San Antonio Minnesota 11/5/2008 (2OT)
55 Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Indiana 1/4/2005
55 Nate Archibald, Cincinnati Portland 2/23/1972
55 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Boston 12/10/1971
55 Cliff Hagan, St Louis Cincinnati 2/11/1962
54 Ray Allen, Seattle Utah 1/12/2007
54 Damon Stoudamire, Portland New Orleans 1/14/2005
54 Alex English, Denver Houston 11/19/1985
54 Dave Bing, Detroit Chicago 2/21/1971
54 Elvin Hayes, San Diego Detroit 11/13/1968
53 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Houston 12/02/2004 (OT)
53 Allan Houston, New York LA Lakers 2/16/2003
53 Tim Duncan, San Antonio Dallas 12/16/2001 (OT)
53 Tony Delk, Phoenix Sacramento 1/2/2001 (OT)
53 Willie Burton, Philadelphia Miami 12/13/1993
53 Dale Ellis, Seattle Milwaukee 11/9/1989 (4OT)
53 Moses Malone, Houston San Diego 2/2/1982
53 Gail Goodrich, LA Lakers KC-Omaha 3/28/1975
53 Phil Chenier, Baltimore Portland 12/6/1972
52 Brandon Roy, Portland Phoenix 12/18/2008
52 Jamal Crawford, New York Miami 1/26/2007
52 Charles Smith, LA Clippers Denver 12/1/1990
52 Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Denver 4/19/1990 (OT)
52 Terry Cummings, San Antonio Charlotte 1/31/1990
52 Joe Barry Carroll, Golden State Utah 3/5/1983
52 Ray Williams, New Jersey Detroit 4/17/1982
52 Billy Knight, Indiana San Antonio 11/11/1980
52 Mike Newlin, New Jersey Boston 12/16/1979 (OT)
52 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo Seattle 3/17/1976
52 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Atlanta 1/2/1975
52 George Yardley, Detroit Syracuse 2/4/1958
51 Richard Hamilton, Detroit New York 12/27/2006 (3OT)
51 Vince Carter, New Jersey Miami 12/23/2005
51 Chris Webber, Sacramento Indiana 1/5/2001
51 Antawn Jamison, Golden State Seattle 12/3/2000
51 Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Denver Utah 12/7/1995
51 Vernon Maxwell, Houston Cleveland 1/26/1991
51 Patrick Ewing, New York Boston 3/24/1990
51 Alex English, Denver Miami 3/10/1989 (2OT)
51 Kiki Vandeweghe, Denver Detroit 12/13/1983 (3OT)
51 Larry Kenon, San Antonio Detroit 3/30/1980
51 Freeman Williams, San Diego Phoenix 1/19/1980
51 Truck Robinson, New Orleans New Jersey 11/21/1978
51 Phil Smith, Golden State Houston 12/11/1976
51 Geoff Petrie, Portland Houston 3/16/1973
51 Spencer Haywood, Seattle KC-Omaha 1/3/1973
51 Sam Jones, Boston Detroit 10/29/1965
51 Richie Guerin, New York Boston 2/14/1962
51 George Yardley, Detroit Boston 1/15/1958
50 Kevin Martin, Sacramento Golden State 4/01/2009
50 Jamal Crawford, Golden State Charlotte 12/20/2008
50 Paul Pierce, Boston Cleveland 2/15/2006 (2OT)
50 Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Portland 1/2/2005
50 Jamal Crawford, Chicago Toronto 4/11/2004 (OT)
50 Rashard Lewis, Seattle LA Clippers 10/31/2003
50 Jamal Mashburn, New Orleans Memphis 2/21/2003 (OT)
50 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Atlanta Detroit 11/23/2001
50 Stephon Marbury, New Jersey LA Lakers 2/13/2001 (OT)
50 Clifford Robinson, Phoenix Denver 1/16/2000
50 Alonzo Mourning, Miami Washington 3/29/1996
50 Dana Barros, Philadelphia Houston 3/14/1995
50 Cedric Ceballos, LA Lakers Minnesota 12/20/1994
50 Jim Jackson, Dallas Denver 11/26/1994 (OT)
50 Jamal Mashburn, Dallas Chicago 11/12/1994 (OT)
50 Nick Anderson, Orlando New Jersey 4/23/1993
50 Clyde Drexler, Portland Sacramento 1/6/1989 (2OT)
50 Moses Malone, Washington New Jersey 4/8/1987
50 Kiki Vandeweghe, Denver San Antonio 1/11/1984
50 John Drew, Atlanta Denver 12/30/1978
50 John Williamson, New Jersey Indiana 4/4/1978
50 Walt Wesley, Cleveland Cincinnati 2/19/1971
50 Dolph Schayes, Syracuse Boston 2/1/1959
50 Neil Johnston, Philadelphia Syracuse 2/16/1954



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[ShawkFactory]

Did you do this on your own?

[kennethgriffin]

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[kennethgriffin]

Did you do this on your own?


i took a 50 point game list and took off the guys who dropped more than 55

took 5 minutes



impressive isnt it


really puts 81 in perspective

[Mr. Jabbar]

im jelly AF now :( , huge dick player no doubt about that. still enjoy watching lebron with his "short"comings tho

#kang

[kennethgriffin]

think about this.. if kobe drops an extra 3 pointer and 2 free throws he matches larry birds career high


he beat larry in 3 q's though

62 in a totally different game

[ShawkFactory]

i took a 50 point game list and took off the guys who dropped more than 55

took 5 minutes



impressive isnt it


really puts 81 in perspective
Not really. No one needs you to do this.

But you know that.

[Mr. Jabbar]

think about this.. if kobe drops an extra 3 pointer and 2 free throws he matches larry birds career high


he beat larry in 3 q's though

62 in a totally different game

holy shit :eek:

#kang

[SwayDizzle]

the best scoring machine we have ever seen. can't wait for the day someone surpasses Kobe.

[Mr. Jabbar]

can't wait for the day someone surpasses Kobe.

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[SwayDizzle]

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true, i doubt it's in my lifetime but it would be quite the spectacle. can you even fathom the type of unbelievable shots someone would have to make to top Kobe?

[West-Side]

Kobe also beat LeBron's career high in 3 quarters Versus Dallas.
Fun fact.

[SouBeachTalents]

How about playoffs/Finals

[Bankaii]

Wow, a scorer that great should have GOAT like scoring stats for the playoffs and Finals right? His efficiency should be crazy high, especially in clutch game 7s
:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

Wow, a scorer that great should have GOAT like scoring stats for the playoffs and Finals right? His efficiency should be crazy high, especially in clutch game 7s
:roll:


he does

youre focusing on one game 7 he played in 2010

he dominated game 7 2000 wcf vs blazers ( 24/11/7/4 all team leader )

he had a great game 7 2002 wcf vs sacramento ( 30/10/7/2 )

and hes only played in like 3 of them

:confusedshrug:

kobe is 3rd all time in playoff scoring

he has the 5th highest scoring average by an nba champion

hes one of only 12 nba champions ( 20 players total ) to score 50+ in the playoffs

he has the 4th most 40+ point games in playoff history

he has the 2nd most 30+ point games in playoff history


and ontop of the scoring hes beatin the most 50+ win playoff teams of all time

and hes the only guy to ever win multiple titles without a legendary side kick


5 titles

multiple finals mvps

highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2001 )

2nd highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2002 )


kobes a top 5 playoff legend

:oldlol:

[Heavincent]

How about playoffs/Finals

Third all time in playoff points.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe hit 50 in the 3rd quarter of the 81 game.. if you just pick out a guys best stretch I'm sure others would have different results here.

Never the less, its a completely meaningless topic anyway.

[sportjames23]

How about playoffs/Finals


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[kennethgriffin]

Kobe hit 50 in the 3rd quarter of the 81 game.. if you just pick out a guys best stretch I'm sure others would have different results here.

Never the less, its a completely meaningless topic anyway.

3rd Q + 4th Q = 2 quarters

go back to school




whether its 1st half or 2nd half its 2 quarters dumb sh*t. how the f*ck is it any less impressive..

if anything teams try harder in the 2nd half

:oldlol:

[GimmeThat]

'if he continues to do this, what's going to happen'

great sequential play maker, and one of the most leveraged scoring option.

[kennethgriffin]

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so kobe has to outscore dozens of legendary players career highs in 2 quarters during the post season aswell as the regular season in order for it to count?

i dont understand this joke about kobe not being a great playoff performer. i just listed a handful of his playoff achievements and theyre better than all but maybe 2-3 guys

:confusedshrug:

:lol

this forum sometimes man.. i swear

[kennethgriffin]

again


3rd all time in playoff scoring

5th highest scoring average by an nba champion

4th most 40+ point games in playoff history

2nd most 30+ point games in playoff history

beatin the most 50+ win playoff teams of all time

only guy to ever win multiple titles without a legendary side kick

5 titles

multiple finals mvps

highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2001 )

2nd highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2002 )



kobes a shitty playoff performer though

:lol

[AirFederer]

im jelly AF now :( , huge dick player no doubt about that. still enjoy watching lebron with his "short"comings tho

#kang
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[DonDadda59]

How about playoffs/Finals

Doesn't Bean only have 1 50 point playoff game in his nearly 20 year career? :biggums:

[Akrazotile]

Doesn't Bean only have 1 50 point playoff game in his nearly 20 year career? :biggums:


To be fair, the only times his playoff runs last more than 1 round (if that) are when he's sharing the load with a dominant frontcourt workhorse. When he's the man, he doesn't usually play more than 6 or 7 playoff games a year.

[triangleoffense]

Kennethgriff doing that work today

:bowdown:

[kennethgriffin]

Doesn't Bean only have 1 50 point playoff game in his nearly 20 year career? :biggums:

yes


those high 50+ tallies are normaly reserved for teams that arent championship threats


63 Michael Jordan, Chicago at Boston 4/20/1986 (2OT)
61 Elgin Baylor, Los Angeles at Boston 4/14/1962
56 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia vs. Syracuse 3/22/1962
56 Michael Jordan, Chicago at Miami 4/29/1992
56 Charles Barkley, Phoenix at Golden State 5/4/1994
55 Rick Barry, San Francisco vs. Philadelphia 4/18/1967
55 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Cleveland 5/1/1988
55 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Phoenix 6/16/1993
55 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Washington 4/27/1997
55 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia vs. New Orleans 4/20/2003
54 John Havlicek, Boston vs. Atlanta at Boston 4/1/1973
54 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. New York 5/31/1993
54 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia vs. Toronto 5/9/2001
53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia vs. Syracuse 3/14/1960
53 Jerry West, Los Angeles vs. Boston 4/23/1969
52 Jerry West, Los Angeles vs. Baltimore 4/5/1965
52 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia vs. Toronto 5/16/2001
51 Sam Jones, Boston at New York 3/28/1967
51 Eric Floyd, Golden State vs. LA Lakers 5/10/1987
50 Bob Cousy, Boston vs. Syracuse 3/21/1953 (4OT)
50 Bob Pettit, St Louis vs. Boston 4/12/1958
50 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia 3/22/1960
50 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco vs. St Louis 4/10/1964
50 Billy Cunningham, Philadelphia vs. Milwaukee 4/1/1970
50 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo vs. Washington 4/18/1975
50 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta vs. Detroit 4/19/1986
50 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Cleveland 4/28/1988
50 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Cleveland 5/5/1989 (OT)
50 Karl Malone, Utah vs. Seattle 4/22/2000
50 Vince Carter, Toronto vs. Philadelphia 5/11/2001
50 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers vs. Phoenix 5/4/2006 (OT)
50 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas vs. Phoenix 6/1/2006






Bold = not a serious threat to win the title



Kobe:

2000 - championship threat ( became elite )
2001 - championship threat
2002 - championship threat
2003 - championship threat
2004 - championship threat
2005 - injured
2006 - scored 50
2007 - no 50 point game
2008 - championship threat
2009 - championship threat
2010 - championship threat
2011 - championship threat
2012 - championship threat
2013 - achilles injury ( career pretty much over )


its not kobes fault he was a winner and couldnt pad 50+ games on teams that didnt have expectations


oh wait.. yes it is. because hes a great player

[ralph_i_el]

Cool, how about the games where he chucked his team to a loss?

[Kblaze8855]

Dirk has only shot over 30 times in 7 games of his career...and only 2 of those were without an OT. Kobe has 108 30 shot attempt games. Dirks career high of 34....came in an OT game. Kobe had a 34 shot game last season....in 31 minutes. Why wouldnt he have a lot more huge scoring games and higher peaks?

Jermaine Oneal only took 30 shots twice in over 1000 games. That 55 point game listed was on 28 shots(and of course many FTs). Tony Parker only has 3 30 shot games in his career including that 55/10 game. Kobe has taken 30 shots in a half(with an OT to be fair).

Kobe has clearly been setting out to score huge totals more than these people. Its clearly impressive to pull off....but you cant really compare some of these dudes to Kobe approach wise.

Be like comparing Kobes huge assist total games to legendary playmakers.

Even the scorers in here were rarely in position to go at it like Kobe.

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk has only shot over 30 times in 7 games of his career...and only 2 of those were without an OT. Kobe has 108 30 shot attempt games. Dirks career high of 34....came in an OT game. Kobe had a 34 shot game last season....in 31 minutes. Why wouldnt he have a lot more huge scoring games and higher peaks?

Jermaine Oneal only took 30 shots twice in over 1000 games. That 55 point game listed was on 28 shots(and of course many FTs). Tony Parker only has 3 30 shot games in his career including that 55/10 game. Kobe has taken 30 shots in a half(with an OT to be fair).

Kobe has clearly been setting out to score huge totals more than these people. Its clearly impressive to pull off....but you cant really compare some of these dudes to Kobe approach wise.

Be like comparing Kobes huge assist total games to legendary playmakers.

Even the scorers in here were rarely in position to go at it like Kobe.


and the amazing thing is kobe really only had 3 years to do all his damage


and 2 of those 3 years he made the playoffs with kwame/smush.. which is impressive


kobe had to dial it back when he was contending. so at best we could look forward to 30-40 point games. which he is 2nd all time and 4th all time in



plus.. serious man are you gonna say if dirk tried more often to score 55+ in 2 quarters he would have done it?


what are you arguing exactly lol


so jordans 30ppg career average doesnt count because he tried to score 30 more often?

and kareems 38k doesnt count because he had more games to score points in


wtf lol


youve never been good at this kblaze..

[AirFederer]

To be fair, the only times his playoff runs last more than 1 round (if that) are when he's sharing the load with a dominant frontcourt workhorse. When he's the man, he doesn't usually play more than 6 or 7 playoff games a year.
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:roll:

[kennethgriffin]

To be fair, the only times his playoff runs last more than 1 round (if that) are when he's sharing the load with a dominant frontcourt workhorse. When he's the man, he doesn't usually play more than 6 or 7 playoff games a year.


A) pau isnt a dominant player. hes 85th all time on BBR.com, 0-16 as leader in the playoffs


B) what player in nba history didnt share the load when winning.. even hakeem in 94 had a deeper overall team than the 2009 lakers

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385397

sorry to all the butthurt people in this thread. but i'm just pointing out the fact that in just the 3 total years kobe was allowed to shoot allot he dipped his n*tts in the history books and rubbed his butt on other peoples shoulders while leap frogging their career highs in 2 quarters..


more than bird and lebrons career high in 3 quarters

and more than jordans 4 quarter record in 3 quarters



i never said kobe was the GOAT stat padder

that goes to wilt...


but during the 3 years kobe could go off. he did some great things.


during the rest of the time kobe played he was busy winning or contending

take it for what its worth. you cant hurt kobes career by saying "omg he won with gasol! omg"

:lol

[Kblaze8855]

Who said anything doesnt count?

I said its hard to reasonably compare big scoring bursts from people not attempting to have them....to a guy like Kobe who was.

Its clearly impressive to be able to do it...but when you have literally a hundred times as many huge shot attempt nights as some of these guys....how are we to compare them fairly?

Not on totals.

Kobes case as greatest scorer can be made...I dont know that its best made the way you seem to want to do it.

He has an easier case to make off the skills to me. A lot of the rest is cirsumstance.

I cant imagine Birds outbursts if someone just says "Go score...." for years at a time on a team that needs him to do it.

[kennethgriffin]

Who said anything doesnt count?

I said its hard to reasonably compare big scoring bursts from people not attempting to have them....to a guy like Kobe who was.

Its clearly impressive to be able to do it...but when you have literally a hundred times as many huge shot attempt nights as some of these guys....how are we to compare them fairly?

Not on totals.

Kobes case as greatest scorer can be made...I dont know that its best made the way you seem to want to do it.

He has an easier case to make off the skills to me. A lot of the rest is cirsumstance.

I cant imagine Birds outbursts if someone just says "Go score...." for years at a time on a team that needs him to do it.

heres the thing Kblaze..


think about this one for 2 seconds


if youre on a team thats too good for you to score allot or be a 1 man show. then you should be contending

if youre on a team thats not good enough to contend and youre a 1 man show. then you should be scoring a ton

these are the only 2 options for a truly great scoring superstar

if a guy is doing neither. then hes just not as good

jordan had historic scoring performances. then dialed it back when he won

same for kobe

same for wilt

same even for lebron james

its natural.



kobes career as an elite player went


2000 - CHAMPION
2001 - CHAMPION
2002 - CHAMPION
2003 - SCORING RECORDS
2004 - FINALS
2005 - *injured*
2006 - SCORING RECORDS
2007 - SCORING RECORDS
2008 - FINALS
2009 - CHAMPION
2010 - CHAMPION
2011 - LOST TO CHAMPION
2012 - LOST TO WC CHAMPION
2013 - *injured*



see the trend?


if dirk is a 1 time champ and has no scoring records... what does that mean

[Kblaze8855]

Dirk has been contending most of the last 15 years. Or did I miss your point?

[kennethgriffin]

Dirk has been contending most of the last 15 years. Or did I miss your point?


LIES



dirk became elite in 2001


2001 - lost to a team that lost to a team ( no records )
2002 - lost to a team that lost to a team ( no records )
2003 - LOST TO CHAMPS
2004 - lost 1st round ( no records )
2005 - lost to a team that lost to a team ( no records )
2006 - LOST TO CHAMPS
2007 - lost 1st round ( no records )
2008 - lost 1st round ( no records )
2009 - lost to a team that lost to a team ( no records )
2010 - lost 1st round ( no records )
2011 - CHAMPION!
2012 - lost 1st round ( no records )
2013 - missed playoffs ( no records )
2014 - lost 1st round ( no records )
2015 - lost 1st round ( no records )



its not like dirk had a lack of opportunities to put up some historical games


he sure did "sacrifice" a whole lot for a guy who didnt win much


only 3 years of dirks career did he really have a good excuse as to why he couldnt have bigger scoring performances


put kobe on dallas since 2001 and he probly averages 35ppg for his career. drops 70+ a dozen times

sure he'd have less rings. but he'd have accomplished some series scoring records

[Kblaze8855]

Well if you are gonna alter the general understanding of what being a contender is you could make anyone outside the finals out to be a non contender. Id say a 53-67 win team in the west is a contender. Feel free to think otherwise....but if you can win like that in the west you are the right couple breaks from winning it all.

You could argue a 50 win east team is a BS contender....Dirks run?

Id say about 8 of the last 15 years the best team in the league would have to show up to put them down. They were contending level teams id say.

[kennethgriffin]

Well if you are gonna alter the general understanding of what being a contender is you could make anyone outside the finals out to be a non contender. Id say a 55-65 win team in the west is a contender. Feel free to think otherwise....but if you can win like that in the west you are the right couple breaks from winning it all.

You could argue a 50 win east team is a BS contender....Dirks run?

Id say about 9 of the last 15 years the best team in the league would have to show up to put them down. They were contending level teams id say.


contender =

a) championship
b) finals
c) lost to champion ( had championship expectations )
d) lost to conference champion ( had championship expectations )


if dirks losing in the first round or missing the playoffs 8 out of the last 12 years. i doubt you can consider that "contending most of the time"

[kennethgriffin]

maybe dirks just a massive underachiever

i do remember his teams having talent


but i also remember allot of 1st round losses and choke jobs

[ShawkFactory]

Given the past level of shot attempts he's taken both with contenders and not in the playoffs, there is nothing to suggest that he would have taken more FG per game and scored 50 more times were he not on contending teams for a couple more years.

[Kblaze8855]

I dont know that a 67 win team is proven to be a non contender because they run into the worst matchup possible. Or a 55 win team for meeting the Spurs in the first round. Or a 58ish win team losing to a 62 win team with the MVP, all nba first team center, all nba small forward, and Joe Johnson as a role player.

I wouldnt say the Spurs were a non contender this year because they played the Clippers in round one instead of the Bucks or Celtics they would play in the East.

Its not as simple as the round you lose.

[SouBeachTalents]

maybe dirks just a massive underachiever

i do remember his teams having talent


but i also remember allot of 1st round losses and choke jobs

Name a teammate he had that was better than '09 & '10 Gasol

[kennethgriffin]

Name a teammate he had that was better than '09 & '10 Gasol

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obviously only nash counts cause he was in his prime. but still..

dirk had him a year before he won back 2 back mvps

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24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9991
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8745
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
85. Pau Gasol 0.8086




obviously only nash counts cause he was in his prime. but still..

dirk had him a year before he won back 2 back mvps

But I thought Nash's MVP's were illegitimate, isn't that the argument you've made countless times defending Kobe's one MVP?

And do you really think pre Phoenix Nash was better than Gasol during L.A's title runs?

[kennethgriffin]

I dont know that a 67 win team is proven to be a non contender because they run into the worst matchup possible. Or a 55 win team for meeting the Spurs in the first round. Or a 58ish win team losing to a 62 win team with the MVP, all nba first team center, all nba small forward, and Joe Johnson as a role player.

I wouldnt say the Spurs were a non contender this year because they played the Clippers in round one instead of the Bucks or Celtics they would play in the East.

Its not as simple as the round you lose.


maybe dirk should come up big vs those teams like kobe did


kobe blasted duncan numorous times... he made nash cry in 2010


the mark of a champion is how you perform when you have the help

if dirk had the help but just lost to better players. then thats tough luck.. he wasnt as good when it mattered most


i doubt if kobe had that 2007 mavs team that he would have lost in the 1st round

[TheMarkMadsen]

Name a teammate he had that was better than '09 & '10 Gasol

the guy who won b2b MVP's the year after leaving Dirk while eliminating Dirk's team from the playoffs that same year

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Doranku]

Doesn't Bean only have 1 50 point playoff game in his nearly 20 year career? :biggums:

You realize only 4 players in NBA history have more than 1 50 point playoff game, right?

And two of them played in the inflated 60's. 50 point playoff games are extremely rare these days. Hasn't been one this decade.. actually the last 50 point playoff game was Ray Allen in 2009 in a game that went to 3OT where he played 59 minutes.

Before that it was Dirk & Kobe in the 2006 playoffs. Crazy, I didn't realize they were that rare.

[kennethgriffin]

But I thought Nash's MVP's were illegitimate, isn't that the argument you've made countless times defending Kobe's one MVP?

And do you really think pre Phoenix Nash was better than Gasol during L.A's title runs?

nash's mvps are bogus because kobe and shaq were better

not because nash sucked



if kobe and shaq died. then maybe hes a good choice in 05 and 06


that being said... steve nash was 1 billion times more valuable a player than gasol was

[SouBeachTalents]

the guy who won b2b MVP's the year after leaving Dirk while eliminating Dirk's team from the playoffs that same year

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

Lol, so I'll ask you too, do you really think pre Phoenix Nash was a better player than Gasol during their title runs?

[Kblaze8855]

I suspect Kobe wouldnt win 67 games with the 07 Mavs in the first place....

However....

I also suspect Kobe might have won more than 52 with the 04 Mavs with Nash, Finley, Antione, and Jamison.

But...

I dont see Dirk failing to mesh with Dwight, Pau, and Nash even with the injuries.



Case by case. As always.

[kennethgriffin]

Lol, so I'll ask you too, do you really think pre Phoenix Nash was a better player than Gasol during their title runs?


you act like nash was born in 2005


gasol looked ok playing with kobe. sure. but without kobe he was a career loser 0-16 in the playoffs


its pretty obvious the attention kobe got from defenses opened things up for pau



ofcourse

2001 dallas nash > pau gasol
2002 dallas nash > pau gasol
2003 dallas nash > pau gasol
2004 dallas nash > pau gasol



a 2 time mvp ( earned or not )

vs

a guy who never even got 1 mvp share

[Dr Seuss]

I dont see Dirk failing to mesh with Dwight, Pau, and Nash even with the injuries.

.

Kobe failed to mesh with them? Nash, who was injured the 2nd quarter of the 2nd game of the season, who eventually came back and was given ball handling responsibilities from kobe, but couldnt even get past his defender at that point, so ultimately had to play off ball to be effective, which only lasted so long until his next timely injury.

dwight... ill give you that one. though, kobe and the lakers tried to give him the offensive load he craved, he just didnt do anything with it at the time, other than turn the ball over after his 2nd or 3rd dribble when backing down his man. but that can easily be blamed on his back then later, shoulder issues, seeing as he finally found his footing a year+ after his surgery, while with houston.

that team was a travesty from the get-go. it was one of those rare cases that names meant more than the actual substance.

[Doranku]

Kobe failed to mesh with them? Nash, who was injured the 2nd quarter of the 2nd game of the season, who eventually came back and was given ball handling responsibilities from kobe, but couldnt even get past his defender at that point, so ultimately had to play off ball to be effective, which only lasted so long until his next timely injury.

dwight... ill give you that one. though, kobe and the lakers tried to give him the offensive load he craved, he just didnt do anything with it at the time, other than turn the ball over after his 2nd or 3rd dribble when backing down his man. but that can easily be blamed on his back then later, shoulder issues, seeing as he finally found his footing a year+ after his surgery, while with houston.

that team was a travesty from the get-go. it was one of those rare cases that names meant more than the actual substance.

That's a bit much imo. They looked much better post-ASB but unfortunately Kobe went down and the rest is history.

I truly believe with Kobe healthy, the Lakers could have beaten SA that year. He was still a top 5 player, the Lakers were rolling, and Kobe always feasts on the Spurs.

f*cking injuries. :cry:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol, so I'll ask you too, do you really think pre Phoenix Nash was a better player than Gasol during their title runs?

lol, so i'll ask you

is Pau good enough to lead a team in the playoffs over prime Kobe on a good team while winning MVP in the same year..

imagine if Pau left Kobe and won b2b MVP's while turning around an entire franchise..

there would be no discussion..

but of course some dumb ass Kobe haters want to argue if Nash was better than Pau

give me a break

[kennethgriffin]

I suspect Kobe wouldnt win 67 games with the 07 Mavs in the first place....

However....

I also suspect Kobe might have won more than 52 with the 04 Mavs with Nash, Finley, Antione, and Jamison.

But...

I dont see Dirk failing to mesh with Dwight, Pau, and Nash even with the injuries.



Case by case. As always.



youre pretty ignorant today



2009 kobe won 65 games with

- 0-16 pau gasoft
- crack head lamar odom
- rookie trevor ariza
- worst starting PG in title history derek fisher
- scrub sun yue
- scrub luke walton
- scrub sasha vujacic
- scrub vladimir radmanovic
- scrub josh powell
- scrub adam morrison
- scrub chris mihm
- scrub dj mbenga
- scrub jordan farmar
- scrub shannon brown

and he won the NBA championship


Dirk won 67 games with

- Jerry Stackhouse ( a few years removed from 20ppg )
- Jason Terry ( a few years removed from 20ppg )
- Josh Howard ( averaging almost 20ppg for dallas in 2007 )
- Devin Harris ( a few years before averaging 20ppg )
- Erick Dampier ( a few years removed from a double double average )
+ WAY better role players

and he choked in the 1st round


ontop of it... kobe in 2009 was at the end of his prime... if its 2007 kobe its absolute peak kobe


lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

I suspect Kobe wouldnt win 67 games with the 07 Mavs in the first place....

However....

I also suspect Kobe might have won more than 52 with the 04 Mavs with Nash, Finley, Antione, and Jamison.

But...

I dont see Dirk failing to mesh with Dwight, Pau, and Nash even with the injuries.



Case by case. As always.

failed to mesh..

more like failed to stay healthy..

Pau & Nash missed 60+ combined games not to mention a coach who refused to run anything but his point guard centered offense when the best players on his team were 2 bigs and a shooting guard

how many minutes did Nash/Kobe/Artest/Gasol/Dwight play together on the floor at the same time..

[Kblaze8855]

When you're taking up Dampier and giving people few years removed credits and downplaying everyone on the Lakers is not worth continuing.

[Smoke117]

Don't you clowns ever get tired of arguing about the same ol bullshit over and over and over and over again?

[Bankaii]

he does

youre focusing on one game 7 he played in 2010

he dominated game 7 2000 wcf vs blazers ( 24/11/7/4 all team leader )

he had a great game 7 2002 wcf vs sacramento ( 30/10/7/2 )

and hes only played in like 3 of them

:confusedshrug:

kobe is 3rd all time in playoff scoring

he has the 5th highest scoring average by an nba champion

hes one of only 12 nba champions ( 20 players total ) to score 50+ in the playoffs

he has the 4th most 40+ point games in playoff history

he has the 2nd most 30+ point games in playoff history


and ontop of the scoring hes beatin the most 50+ win playoff teams of all time

and hes the only guy to ever win multiple titles without a legendary side kick


5 titles

multiple finals mvps

highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2001 )

2nd highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2002 )


kobes a top 5 playoff legend

:oldlol:
Lol at using longevity and subjective bullshit to boost your agenda.
In Game 7s(he's played 6 btw dumbass), Kobe averages: 22/8/5 on 39%. That is absolute shit for one of the GOATs and supposed GOAT scorers.
His playoff averages are 25/5/5 on 45%. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, and arguably Duncan all have better stats than that.
Don't even get me into Finals stats.
Kobe is far from a top 5 playoffs performers. Dude gets carried in most of his clutch situations.

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol @ Mavs fans a$$hole still sore from Big Daddy Big D1ck Baron Davis in 2007:lol

That loss was INEXCUSABLE for Dirk and the Mavs. Kobe does not lose with that roster. End of story.

[kennethgriffin]

When you're taking up Dampier and giving people few years removed credits and downplaying everyone on the Lakers is not worth continuing.


ok
- 0-16 pau gasoft ( a few years after going 0-16 as lead dog )
- crack head lamar odom ( a few years removed from being shat out the league )
- rookie trevor ariza ( a few years removed from being an ok player )
- worst starting PG in title history derek fisher ( still the worst in history )
- scrub sun yue ( a few years away from a failed nba career )
- scrub luke walton ( a few years away from retiring a scrub )
- scrub sasha vujacic ( a few years away from retiring a scrub )
- scrub vladimir radmanovic ( a few years away from retiring a scrub )
- scrub josh powell ( a few years away from a failed nba career )
- scrub adam morrison ( a few years away from a failed nba career )
- scrub chris mihm ( a few years away from retiring a scrub )
- scrub dj mbenga ( a few years removed from still being a scrub )
- scrub jordan farmar ( a few years away from a failed nba career )
- scrub shannon brown ( a few years away from a failed nba career )



happy?

[kennethgriffin]

Lol at using longevity and subjective bullshit to boost your agenda.
In Game 7s(he's played 6 btw dumbass), Kobe averages: 22/8/5 on 39%. That is absolute shit for one of the GOATs and supposed GOAT scorers.
His playoff averages are 25/5/5 on 45%. MJ, Kareem, Magic, Bird, Shaq, Lebron, Hakeem, and arguably Duncan all have better stats than that.
Don't even get me into Finals stats.
Kobe is far from a top 5 playoffs performers. Dude gets carried in most of his clutch situations.


you do realize that any longevity playoff record isnt something a guy can just attain by sticking around in the nba long enough


you actually have to win, perform and stay healthy, make deep playoff runs year in and year out

nobodies guaranteed that opportunity

[Bankaii]

you do realize that any longevity playoff record isnt something a guy can just attain by sticking around in the nba long enough


you actually have to win, perform and stay healthy, make deep playoff runs year in and year out

nobodies guaranteed that opportunity
Never said his longevity didn't count, it's a major reason why he's one of the GOATs. But you aren't top 5 for longevity.
Now, care to address his inferior statistics?

[72-10]

think about this.. if kobe drops an extra 3 pointer and 2 free throws he matches larry birds career high


he beat larry in 3 q's though

62 in a totally different game

proving once and for all that single game achievements don't make a career

[72-10]

while somewhat on the topic, Larry Bird's 60 point game has to be one of the greatest shooting performances in NBA history. He scored most of his points from outside 15 feet. He scored 19 points in the third quarter WITHOUT A FREE THROW.

[kennethgriffin]

Never said his longevity didn't count, it's a major reason why he's one of the GOATs. But you aren't top 5 for longevity.
Now, care to address his inferior statistics?

you are if youre stacking rings and stats during that longevious journey

did i just invent a word

:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

proving once and for all that single game achievements don't make a career


your right

i prefer to use entire careers to compare the 2


and like i said before... 2 larry birds dont equal 1 kobe bryant




Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1


Larry Bird:
30+ point games: 223
40+ point games: 47
50+ point games: 4
60+ point games: 1
70+ point games:
80+ point games:

Larry Bird x2
30+ point games: 446 (+21)
40+ point games: 94 (-25)
50+ point games: 8 (-16)
60+ point games: 2 (-4)
70+ point games: 0 (-1)
80+ point games: 0 (-1)



------------------------------------------

Kobe Bryant


13 times top 10 in Points Per Game
12 times top 5 in Points Per Game
4 times top 2 in Points Per Game
2 times leader in Points Per Game


2000-01 NBA 28.5 (4)
2001-02 NBA 25.2 (6)
2002-03 NBA 30.0 (2)
2003-04 NBA 24.0 (4)
2004-05 NBA 27.6 (2)
2005-06 NBA 35.4 (1)
2006-07 NBA 31.6 (1)
2007-08 NBA 28.3 (2)
2008-09 NBA 26.8 (3)
2009-10 NBA 27.0 (4)
2010-11 NBA 25.3 (5)
2011-12 NBA 27.9 (2)
2012-13 NBA 27.3 (3)



Larry Bird

6 times top 10 in Points Per Game
4 times top 5 in Points Per Game
1 time top 2 in Points Per Game
0 times league leader in Points Per Game

1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)


Larry Bird x2


1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)
+
1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)

12 times top 10 in Points Per Game (-1)
8 times top 5 in Points Per Game (-4)
2 time top 2 in Points Per Game (-2)
0 times league leader in Points Per Game (-2)



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Kobe Bryant


27 time All NBA/Defense
20 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)



Larry Bird

13 time All NBA/Defense
9 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)




Larry Bird x2

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
+
1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

26 time All NBA/Defense (-1)
18 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team (-2)





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oh yeah and 5 out of 7 > 3 out of 5
both have 2 Fmvps

all bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps. ( and i don't even feel a need to explain why that award is bogus. even if it were legit i dont think it would be enough to over come at this point

[72-10]

posting career totals won't get you anywhere with Bird. He played like 13 seasons. And he did more than score, he was a complete player his whole career (save for defense). And he led his team to more championships, etc. I bet you already know this and are just putting me on.

[ShawkFactory]

your right

i prefer to use entire careers to compare the 2


and like i said before... 2 larry birds dont equal 1 kobe bryant




Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1


Larry Bird:
30+ point games: 223
40+ point games: 47
50+ point games: 4
60+ point games: 1
70+ point games:
80+ point games:

Larry Bird x2
30+ point games: 446 (+21)
40+ point games: 94 (-25)
50+ point games: 8 (-16)
60+ point games: 2 (-4)
70+ point games: 0 (-1)
80+ point games: 0 (-1)



------------------------------------------

Kobe Bryant


13 times top 10 in Points Per Game
12 times top 5 in Points Per Game
4 times top 2 in Points Per Game
2 times leader in Points Per Game


2000-01 NBA 28.5 (4)
2001-02 NBA 25.2 (6)
2002-03 NBA 30.0 (2)
2003-04 NBA 24.0 (4)
2004-05 NBA 27.6 (2)
2005-06 NBA 35.4 (1)
2006-07 NBA 31.6 (1)
2007-08 NBA 28.3 (2)
2008-09 NBA 26.8 (3)
2009-10 NBA 27.0 (4)
2010-11 NBA 25.3 (5)
2011-12 NBA 27.9 (2)
2012-13 NBA 27.3 (3)



Larry Bird

6 times top 10 in Points Per Game
4 times top 5 in Points Per Game
1 time top 2 in Points Per Game
0 times league leader in Points Per Game

1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)


Larry Bird x2


1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)
+
1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)

12 times top 10 in Points Per Game (-1)
8 times top 5 in Points Per Game (-4)
2 time top 2 in Points Per Game (-2)
0 times league leader in Points Per Game (-2)



---------------------------------



Kobe Bryant


27 time All NBA/Defense
20 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)



Larry Bird

13 time All NBA/Defense
9 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)




Larry Bird x2

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
+
1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

26 time All NBA/Defense (-1)
18 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team (-2)





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oh yeah and 5 out of 7 > 3 out of 5
both have 2 Fmvps

all bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps. ( and i don't even feel a need to explain why that award is bogus. even if it were legit i dont think it would be enough to over come at this point
Bird was first team all-NBA from the moment he stepped on the court to the moment he had a career altering back injury :bowdown:

You just reminded us of Birds greatness. Sucks that his body didn't cooperate later on.

[DonDadda59]

yes


those high 50+ tallies are normaly reserved for teams that arent championship threats


63 Michael Jordan, Chicago at Boston 4/20/1986 (2OT)
61 Elgin Baylor, Los Angeles at Boston 4/14/1962
56 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia vs. Syracuse 3/22/1962
56 Michael Jordan, Chicago at Miami 4/29/1992
56 Charles Barkley, Phoenix at Golden State 5/4/1994
55 Rick Barry, San Francisco vs. Philadelphia 4/18/1967
55 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Cleveland 5/1/1988
55 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Phoenix 6/16/1993
55 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Washington 4/27/1997
55 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia vs. New Orleans 4/20/2003
54 John Havlicek, Boston vs. Atlanta at Boston 4/1/1973
54 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. New York 5/31/1993
54 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia vs. Toronto 5/9/2001
53 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia vs. Syracuse 3/14/1960
53 Jerry West, Los Angeles vs. Boston 4/23/1969
52 Jerry West, Los Angeles vs. Baltimore 4/5/1965
52 Allen Iverson, Philadelphia vs. Toronto 5/16/2001
51 Sam Jones, Boston at New York 3/28/1967
51 Eric Floyd, Golden State vs. LA Lakers 5/10/1987
50 Bob Cousy, Boston vs. Syracuse 3/21/1953 (4OT)
50 Bob Pettit, St Louis vs. Boston 4/12/1958
50 Wilt Chamberlain, Philadelphia 3/22/1960
50 Wilt Chamberlain, San Francisco vs. St Louis 4/10/1964
50 Billy Cunningham, Philadelphia vs. Milwaukee 4/1/1970
50 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo vs. Washington 4/18/1975
50 Dominique Wilkins, Atlanta vs. Detroit 4/19/1986
50 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Cleveland 4/28/1988
50 Michael Jordan, Chicago vs. Cleveland 5/5/1989 (OT)
50 Karl Malone, Utah vs. Seattle 4/22/2000
50 Vince Carter, Toronto vs. Philadelphia 5/11/2001
50 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers vs. Phoenix 5/4/2006 (OT)
50 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas vs. Phoenix 6/1/2006






Bold = not a serious threat to win the title



Kobe:

2000 - championship threat ( became elite )
2001 - championship threat
2002 - championship threat
2003 - championship threat
2004 - championship threat
2005 - injured
2006 - scored 50
2007 - no 50 point game
2008 - championship threat
2009 - championship threat
2010 - championship threat
2011 - championship threat
2012 - championship threat
2013 - achilles injury ( career pretty much over )


its not kobes fault he was a winner and couldnt pad 50+ games on teams that didnt have expectations


oh wait.. yes it is. because hes a great player

How were the Lakers from 2011 on a championship threat but teams like the 88-89 Bulls, Barkley's 94 Suns, or Dirk's Mavs in the '06 finals weren't? :biggums:

And are you saying that 50 point games are just empty stats on shit teams with no championship aspirations? Why did Jordan have 4 50 point games on teams that won 3 rings? That alone is 4X as many as Bean had his whole career.



1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 1.0000
2. Michael Jordan* 1.0000
3. Bill Russell* 1.0000
4. Wilt Chamberlain* 1.0000
5. Kobe Bryant 1.0000
6. Tim Duncan 1.0000
7. Shaquille O'Neal 1.0000
8. John Havlicek* 1.0000
9. Oscar Robertson* 1.0000
10. Bob Cousy* 1.0000
11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000
12. Jerry West* 1.0000
13. Magic Johnson* 1.0000
14. Karl Malone* 1.0000
15. LeBron James 1.0000
16. Hakeem Olajuwon* 1.0000
17. Larry Bird* 1.0000
18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000
19. David Robinson* 1.0000
20. Moses Malone* 1.0000
21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000
22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000
23. John Stockton* 1.0000
24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000
25. Isiah Thomas* 1.0000
26. Dwyane Wade 0.9999
27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998
28. Allen Iverson 0.9998
29. Elgin Baylor* 0.9998
30. Paul Arizin* 0.9998
31. Jason Kidd 0.9997
32. Chris Paul 0.9997
33. Sam Jones* 0.9995
34. George Mikan* 0.9995
35. Gary Payton* 0.9994
36. Patrick Ewing* 0.9994
37. Julius Erving* 0.9991
38. Scottie Pippen* 0.9990
39. Ray Allen 0.9987
40. Clyde Drexler* 0.9978
41. Paul Pierce 0.9974
42. Hal Greer* 0.9974
43. Bill Sharman* 0.9970
44. Robert Parish* 0.9966
45. Rick Barry* 0.9950
46. Walt Frazier* 0.9949
47. Slater Martin* 0.9943
48. Tom Heinsohn* 0.9938
49. Neil Johnston* 0.9926
50. Dwight Howard 0.9893
51. Lenny Wilkens* 0.9880
52. Ed Macauley* 0.9873
53. Chris Bosh 0.9864
54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864
55. Dave Cowens* 0.9864
56. Bob McAdoo* 0.9863
57. Tiny Archibald* 0.9842
58. Steve Nash 0.9829
59. Kevin Durant 0.9821
60. Dominique Wilkins* 0.9814
61. George Gervin* 0.9787
62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771
63. Willis Reed* 0.9768
64. Dikembe Mutombo* 0.9691
65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608
66. Tracy McGrady 0.9555
67. Bob Lanier* 0.9494
68. Vince Carter 0.9455
69. Larry Foust 0.9420
70. Tony Parker 0.9386
71. Chet Walker* 0.9378
72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362
73. Alonzo Mourning* 0.9310
74. Alex English* 0.9235
75. Dave Bing* 0.9188
76. James Worthy* 0.9077
77. Grant Hill 0.8911
78. Adrian Dantley* 0.8862
79. Carmelo Anthony 0.8745
80. Jack Sikma 0.8698
81. Jo Jo White* 0.8692
82. Chauncey Billups 0.8440
83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358
84. Harry Gallatin* 0.8091
85. Pau Gasol 0.8086

Bold = Bean teammates. Has any other player played with as many HOFers as Kobe (maybe Bill Russell?)? :lebronamazed:

[TheBigVeto]

http://thumbs1.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mzbrHnOZhFlD-UNMRRauukg.jpg





55 Kobe Bryant, LA Lakers Toronto 1/22/2006 ( 2QRTS )


55 Dwyane Wade, Miami New York 4/12/2009
55 Tony Parker, San Antonio Minnesota 11/5/2008 (2OT)
55 Jermaine O'Neal, Indiana Indiana 1/4/2005
55 Nate Archibald, Cincinnati Portland 2/23/1972
55 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Boston 12/10/1971
55 Cliff Hagan, St Louis Cincinnati 2/11/1962
54 Ray Allen, Seattle Utah 1/12/2007
54 Damon Stoudamire, Portland New Orleans 1/14/2005
54 Alex English, Denver Houston 11/19/1985
54 Dave Bing, Detroit Chicago 2/21/1971
54 Elvin Hayes, San Diego Detroit 11/13/1968
53 Dirk Nowitzki, Dallas Houston 12/02/2004 (OT)
53 Allan Houston, New York LA Lakers 2/16/2003
53 Tim Duncan, San Antonio Dallas 12/16/2001 (OT)
53 Tony Delk, Phoenix Sacramento 1/2/2001 (OT)
53 Willie Burton, Philadelphia Miami 12/13/1993
53 Dale Ellis, Seattle Milwaukee 11/9/1989 (4OT)
53 Moses Malone, Houston San Diego 2/2/1982
53 Gail Goodrich, LA Lakers KC-Omaha 3/28/1975
53 Phil Chenier, Baltimore Portland 12/6/1972
52 Brandon Roy, Portland Phoenix 12/18/2008
52 Jamal Crawford, New York Miami 1/26/2007
52 Charles Smith, LA Clippers Denver 12/1/1990
52 Hakeem Olajuwon, Houston Denver 4/19/1990 (OT)
52 Terry Cummings, San Antonio Charlotte 1/31/1990
52 Joe Barry Carroll, Golden State Utah 3/5/1983
52 Ray Williams, New Jersey Detroit 4/17/1982
52 Billy Knight, Indiana San Antonio 11/11/1980
52 Mike Newlin, New Jersey Boston 12/16/1979 (OT)
52 Bob McAdoo, Buffalo Seattle 3/17/1976
52 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Milwaukee Atlanta 1/2/1975
52 George Yardley, Detroit Syracuse 2/4/1958
51 Richard Hamilton, Detroit New York 12/27/2006 (3OT)
51 Vince Carter, New Jersey Miami 12/23/2005
51 Chris Webber, Sacramento Indiana 1/5/2001
51 Antawn Jamison, Golden State Seattle 12/3/2000
51 Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf, Denver Utah 12/7/1995
51 Vernon Maxwell, Houston Cleveland 1/26/1991
51 Patrick Ewing, New York Boston 3/24/1990
51 Alex English, Denver Miami 3/10/1989 (2OT)
51 Kiki Vandeweghe, Denver Detroit 12/13/1983 (3OT)
51 Larry Kenon, San Antonio Detroit 3/30/1980
51 Freeman Williams, San Diego Phoenix 1/19/1980
51 Truck Robinson, New Orleans New Jersey 11/21/1978
51 Phil Smith, Golden State Houston 12/11/1976
51 Geoff Petrie, Portland Houston 3/16/1973
51 Spencer Haywood, Seattle KC-Omaha 1/3/1973
51 Sam Jones, Boston Detroit 10/29/1965
51 Richie Guerin, New York Boston 2/14/1962
51 George Yardley, Detroit Boston 1/15/1958
50 Kevin Martin, Sacramento Golden State 4/01/2009
50 Jamal Crawford, Golden State Charlotte 12/20/2008
50 Paul Pierce, Boston Cleveland 2/15/2006 (2OT)
50 Amare Stoudemire, Phoenix Portland 1/2/2005
50 Jamal Crawford, Chicago Toronto 4/11/2004 (OT)
50 Rashard Lewis, Seattle LA Clippers 10/31/2003
50 Jamal Mashburn, New Orleans Memphis 2/21/2003 (OT)
50 Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Atlanta Detroit 11/23/2001
50 Stephon Marbury, New Jersey LA Lakers 2/13/2001 (OT)
50 Clifford Robinson, Phoenix Denver 1/16/2000
50 Alonzo Mourning, Miami Washington 3/29/1996
50 Dana Barros, Philadelphia Houston 3/14/1995
50 Cedric Ceballos, LA Lakers Minnesota 12/20/1994
50 Jim Jackson, Dallas Denver 11/26/1994 (OT)
50 Jamal Mashburn, Dallas Chicago 11/12/1994 (OT)
50 Nick Anderson, Orlando New Jersey 4/23/1993
50 Clyde Drexler, Portland Sacramento 1/6/1989 (2OT)
50 Moses Malone, Washington New Jersey 4/8/1987
50 Kiki Vandeweghe, Denver San Antonio 1/11/1984
50 John Drew, Atlanta Denver 12/30/1978
50 John Williamson, New Jersey Indiana 4/4/1978
50 Walt Wesley, Cleveland Cincinnati 2/19/1971
50 Dolph Schayes, Syracuse Boston 2/1/1959
50 Neil Johnston, Philadelphia Syracuse 2/16/1954



And yet he is not even half as good as the worst player in that list.

[kennethgriffin]

Bird was first team all-NBA from the moment he stepped on the court to the moment he had a career altering back injury :bowdown:

You just reminded us of Birds greatness. Sucks that his body didn't cooperate later on.


i dont think thats how it works


by this measurement len bias is the GOAT



he like bird was unblemished aside from a heart injury

if not for being dead i'm sure he'd have the same silly longevity nonsense kobe has

same for bird if not for his late arrival and back spasms

[ShawkFactory]

i dont think thats how it works


by this measurement len bias is the GOAT



he like bird was unblemished aside from a heart injury

if not for being dead i'm sure he'd have the same silly longevity nonsense kobe has

same for bird if not for his late arrival and back spasms
Yea that's the same...

[kennethgriffin]

How were the Lakers from 2011 on a championship threat but teams like the 88-89 Bulls, Barkley's 94 Suns, or Dirk's Mavs in the '06 finals weren't? :biggums:

And are you saying that 50 point games are just empty stats on shit teams with no championship aspirations? Why did Jordan have 4 50 point games on teams that won 3 rings? That alone is 4X as many as Bean had his whole career.




Bold = Bean teammates. Has any other player played with as many HOFers as Kobe (maybe Bill Russell?)? :lebronamazed:


except kobe won all 5 titles with 1 HOFr at a time while russell won with 5 HOFrs at a time

[kennethgriffin]

Yea that's the same...


back to reality

fact is kobe endured 10 times as many injuries as larry bird and will end up playing twice as long

and kobes worst injury was way more career threatening

[ShawkFactory]

back to reality

fact is kobe endured 10 times as many injuries as larry bird and will end up playing twice as long

and kobes worst injury was way more career threatening
Larry Bird was first team all NBA every single year he was healthy. Every. Single. One.

In the golden age of basketball :bowdow

That's very real my friend.

[Heavincent]

Bold = Bean teammates. Has any other player played with as many HOFers as Kobe (maybe Bill Russell?)? :lebronamazed:

Shaq.

Lets see:
Kobe
Wade
Payton
Malone
Lebron
KG
Allen
Nash
Pierce

God damn :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

Shaq.

Lets see:
Kobe
Wade
Payton
Malone
Lebron
KG
Allen
Nash

Nobody played with more talent than Shaq.

Pierce?

[Heavincent]

Pierce?

Yeah, probably.

[kennethgriffin]

Larry Bird was first team all NBA every single year he was healthy. Every. Single. One.

In the golden age of basketball :bowdow

That's very real my friend.


whats more impressive.

only making 1st team all nba when youre healthy






or making 1st team all nba almost every year even when youre hurt


kobe = devastating wrist injury 1997 = fracture
kobe = devastating ankle injury 1998 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2000 = fractured metacarpel
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2000 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2001 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating viral infection 2001 = poisoning
kobe = devastating knee injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating finger injury = laceration index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2005 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2007 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2007 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2008 = fractured finger
kobe = devastating hand injury 2008 = dislocated finger
kobe = devastating hand injury 2009 = dislocated finger
kobe = devastating hand injury 2010 = avulsion fracture index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2010 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2011 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2013 = torn achilles tendon
kobe = devastating knee injury 2014 = fractured knee
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2015 = torn ligament[/QUOTE]



birds a f*ckin p*ssy if he had to quit and run at the first sign of bad news. get back on the horse and try and do your best.

[Heavincent]

Shaq.

Lets see:
Kobe
Wade
Payton
Malone
Lebron
KG
Allen
Nash
Pierce

God damn :oldlol:

Oh, and he played with pre-injury Penny Hardaway.

[ShawkFactory]

whats more impressive.

only making 1st team all nba when youre healthy






or making 1st team all nba almost every year even when youre hurt


kobe = devastating wrist injury 1997 = fracture
kobe = devastating ankle injury 1998 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2000 = fractured metacarpel
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2000 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2001 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating viral infection 2001 = poisoning
kobe = devastating knee injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2003 = ligament
kobe = devastating finger injury = laceration index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2005 = grade 3 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2007 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2007 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating hand injury 2008 = fractured finger
kobe = devastating hand injury 2008 = dislocated finger
kobe = devastating hand injury 2009 = dislocated finger
kobe = devastating hand injury 2010 = avulsion fracture index
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2010 = grade 2 sprain
kobe = devastating knee injury 2011 = knee surgery
kobe = devastating ankle injury 2013 = torn achilles tendon
kobe = devastating knee injury 2014 = fractured knee
kobe = devastating shoulder injury 2015 = torn ligament



birds a f*ckin p*ssy if he had to quit and run at the first sign of bad news. get back on the horse and try and do your best.[/QUOTE]
Lol devastating finger laceration.

Same as a devastating back injury. Clown :lol

[kennethgriffin]

Lol debasing finger laceration.

Same as a devastating back injury. Clown :lol


bird = 1 bad injury

kobes had over a dozen involving surgery



birds problem is he was a flabby toneless undefined slacker that didnt work out or get help when he got injured

he'd just lay on his stomach during practice and wish the pain away.

when in reality what bird needed was to strengthen his back with physiotherapy and workout regimens


kobe is serious about playing longer than others. bird isnt. he took his ball and went home after only a decade of basketball


and i dunno if youve ever had a deep cut on your hand. you cant play basketball

infact michael jordans ultimate conclusion for skipping 99 was partly due to a bad cigar cutting accident


ive nearly cut my finger off. it isnt fun

[ShawkFactory]

bird = 1 bad injury

kobes had over a dozen involving surgery



birds problem is he was a flabby toneless undefined slacker that didnt work out or get help when he got injured

he'd just lay on his stomach during practice and wish the pain away.

when in reality what bird needed was to strengthen his back with physiotherapy and workout regimens


kobe is serious about playing longer than others. bird isnt. he took his ball and went home after only a decade of basketball


and i dunno if youve ever had a deep cut on your hand. you cant play basketball

infact michael jordans ultimate conclusion for skipping 99 was partly due to a bad cigar cutting accident


ive nearly cut my finger off. it isnt fun
It also heals just fine. A back often does not.

Either way, Kobes dedication to longevity doesn't convince me that he was a better basketball player. Never will.

[stalkerforlife]

he does

youre focusing on one game 7 he played in 2010

he dominated game 7 2000 wcf vs blazers ( 24/11/7/4 all team leader )

he had a great game 7 2002 wcf vs sacramento ( 30/10/7/2 )

and hes only played in like 3 of them

:confusedshrug:

kobe is 3rd all time in playoff scoring

he has the 5th highest scoring average by an nba champion

hes one of only 12 nba champions ( 20 players total ) to score 50+ in the playoffs

he has the 4th most 40+ point games in playoff history

he has the 2nd most 30+ point games in playoff history


and ontop of the scoring hes beatin the most 50+ win playoff teams of all time

and hes the only guy to ever win multiple titles without a legendary side kick


5 titles

multiple finals mvps

highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2001 )

2nd highest scoring average in nba history for a 2nd leading scorer - playoffs and finals ( 2002 )


kobes a top 5 playoff legend

:oldlol:

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

your right

i prefer to use entire careers to compare the 2


and like i said before... 2 larry birds dont equal 1 kobe bryant




Kobe Bryant:
30+ point games: 425
40+ point games: 119
50+ point games: 24
60+ point games: 5
70+ point games: 1
80+ point games: 1


Larry Bird:
30+ point games: 223
40+ point games: 47
50+ point games: 4
60+ point games: 1
70+ point games:
80+ point games:

Larry Bird x2
30+ point games: 446 (+21)
40+ point games: 94 (-25)
50+ point games: 8 (-16)
60+ point games: 2 (-4)
70+ point games: 0 (-1)
80+ point games: 0 (-1)



------------------------------------------

Kobe Bryant


13 times top 10 in Points Per Game
12 times top 5 in Points Per Game
4 times top 2 in Points Per Game
2 times leader in Points Per Game


2000-01 NBA 28.5 (4)
2001-02 NBA 25.2 (6)
2002-03 NBA 30.0 (2)
2003-04 NBA 24.0 (4)
2004-05 NBA 27.6 (2)
2005-06 NBA 35.4 (1)
2006-07 NBA 31.6 (1)
2007-08 NBA 28.3 (2)
2008-09 NBA 26.8 (3)
2009-10 NBA 27.0 (4)
2010-11 NBA 25.3 (5)
2011-12 NBA 27.9 (2)
2012-13 NBA 27.3 (3)



Larry Bird

6 times top 10 in Points Per Game
4 times top 5 in Points Per Game
1 time top 2 in Points Per Game
0 times league leader in Points Per Game

1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)


Larry Bird x2


1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)
+
1981-82 NBA 22.9 (10)
1983-84 NBA 24.2 (7)
1984-85 NBA 28.7 (2)
1985-86 NBA 25.8 (4)
1986-87 NBA 28.1 (4)
1987-88 NBA 29.9 (3)

12 times top 10 in Points Per Game (-1)
8 times top 5 in Points Per Game (-4)
2 time top 2 in Points Per Game (-2)
0 times league leader in Points Per Game (-2)



---------------------------------



Kobe Bryant


27 time All NBA/Defense
20 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1998-99 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
1999-00 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
1999-00 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2000-01 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2001-02 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2002-03 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2003-04 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2004-05 NBA All-NBA (3rd)
2005-06 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2005-06 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2006-07 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2007-08 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2008-09 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2009-10 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-Defensive (1st)
2010-11 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2011-12 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
2011-12 NBA All-NBA (1st)
2012-13 NBA All-NBA (1st)



Larry Bird

13 time All NBA/Defense
9 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)




Larry Bird x2

1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)
+
1979-80 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1980-81 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1981-82 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1981-82 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1982-83 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1982-83 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1983-84 NBA All-Defensive (2nd)
1983-84 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1984-85 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1985-86 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1986-87 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1987-88 NBA All-NBA (1st)
1989-90 NBA All-NBA (2nd)

26 time All NBA/Defense (-1)
18 time All NBA/Defensive 1st team (-2)





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oh yeah and 5 out of 7 > 3 out of 5
both have 2 Fmvps

all bird has on kobe is 2 more regular season mvps. ( and i don't even feel a need to explain why that award is bogus. even if it were legit i dont think it would be enough to over come at this point

:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

It also heals just fine. A back often does not.

Either way, Kobes dedication to longevity doesn't convince me that he was a better basketball player. Never will.


you act like kobe hasnt beatin birds career in just a 13 year scale regardless


and in terms of primes kobe had way better performances


a historic night for prime bird was scoring 40


kobe did that for entire months multiple times


kobe probably has more 40 and 50 point games than birds entire career in just 1 or 2 seasons

:lol

[ShawkFactory]

you act like kobe hasnt beatin birds career in just a 13 year scale regardless


and in terms of primes kobe had way better performances


a historic night for prime bird was scoring 40


kobe did that for entire months multiple times


kobe probably has more 40 and 50 point games than birds entire career in just 1 or 2 seasons

:lol
Why do you get so much enjoyment out of being wrong so much but adamantly sticking to your guns? :lol

There's no way you're Canadian.

[kennethgriffin]

Why do you get so much enjoyment out of being wrong so much but adamantly sticking to your guns? :lol

There's no way you're Canadian.



45 April 26, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns 95–89
50 April 15, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Seattle SuperSonics 109–98
50* April 12, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Los Angeles Clippers 110–118
46 April 6, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers at Seattle SuperSonics 112–109
53* March 30, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Houston Rockets 104–107 (OT)
43 March 25, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Golden State Warriors 115–113
50 March 23, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers at New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets 111–105
60 March 22, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers at Memphis Grizzlies 121–119
50 March 18, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Minnesota Timberwolves 109–102
65 March 16, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Portland Trail Blazers 116–111 (OT)
40* March 6, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers at Minnesota Timberwolves 107–117 (2OT)
43 January 31, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers at Boston Celtics 111–98
42 January 22, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Golden State Warriors 108–103
42 January 4, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers at Sacramento Kings 132–128 (OT)
58* December 29, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Charlotte Bobcats 124–133 (3OT)
45* December 17, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Washington Wizards 141–147 (OT)
53 December 15, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Houston Rockets 112–101 (2OT)
52 November 30, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Utah Jazz 132–102
40 November 21, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Los Angeles Clippers 105–101
50* May 4, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns 118–126
43 April 16, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns 109–89
50 April 14, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Portland Trail Blazers 110–99
51* April 7, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Phoenix Suns 96–107
42* April 6, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Denver Nuggets 108–110 (OT)
43 April 2, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Houston Rockets 104–88
43 March 31, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Seattle SuperSonics 106–93
43 March 24, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Milwaukee Bucks 101–96
43 March 20, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Boston Celtics 105–97
40 March 8, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at New Orleans/Oklahoma City Hornets 113–107
43* March 6, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. San Antonio Spurs 96–103
40 March 4, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Detroit Pistons 105–94
42 March 3, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Golden State Warriors 106–94
40* February 26, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Boston Celtics 111–112
40 January 31, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at New York Knicks 130–97
81 January 22, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Toronto Raptors 122–104
51* January 19, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Sacramento Kings 109–118 (OT)
41* January 11, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Portland Trail Blazers 103–113
45 January 9, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Indiana Pacers 96–90
50 January 7, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers at Los Angeles Clippers 112–109
48 January 6, 2006 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Philadelphia 76ers 119–93
45* December 28, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Memphis Grizzlies 99–100 (OT)
62 December 20, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Dallas Mavericks 112–90
41 December 16, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Washington Wizards 97–91
43 December 12, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers at Dallas Mavericks 109–106
46* November 27, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers vs. New Jersey Nets 96–102 (OT)
43* November 20, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Chicago Bulls 93–96
42 November 16, 2005 Los Angeles Lakers vs. New York Knicks 97–92



Kobe 2 year total ( 2005-06, 2006-07 )

45 games of 40+ points
16 games of 50+ points
4 games of 60+ points
1 game of 80+ points



larry bird 13 year total ( 1979-80 to 1991-92 )


47 games of 40+ points
4 games of 50+ points
1 game of 60+ points
0 games of 80+ points




i was off by 2 games on the 40+ totals, kobe takes the 50+, 60+, 80+


in just 2 seasons kobe > bird

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][SIZE="1"]45 April 26, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns 95

[kennethgriffin]

kobe has more career 60 point games than bird has 50 point games


:biggums:

[kennethgriffin]

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][SIZE="1"]45 April 26, 2007 Los Angeles Lakers vs. Phoenix Suns 95

[TheMarkMadsen]

i gotta quote this just so the people on the next page wont skip it by accident

this is truly amazing


wow that is very impressive :applause: :applause:

[kennethgriffin]

well i guess thats the end of shawkfactory in the kobe/bird debate

[Hey Yo]

bird = 1 bad injury

kobes had over a dozen involving surgery
Can you timeline and link those 13+ surgeries for us while Kobe was still able to continue to play?


Thanks.......

[TheMarkMadsen]

Can you timeline and link those 13+ surgeries for us.


Thanks.......

i'll save him the time, and add 9 more injuries

http://d1warraxuf7xh1.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/n2dtb2-kobeinjuries.gif

[Hey Yo]

Add 9 more?

so you're saying that Kobe's had 22 surgeries in his career?

[ShawkFactory]

well i guess thats the end of shawkfactory in the kobe/bird debate
With you/alts yes :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Add 9 more?

so you're saying that Kobe's had 22 surgeries in his career?

do you know how to read

[kennethgriffin]

Can you timeline and link those 13+ surgeries for us.


Thanks.......



http://img.beckett.com/images/items_stock/185226/3123092/3123380/front.jpg

surgery to repair broken wrist


http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/51620874_kobewrsit.jpg

surgery to repair broken hand ( fractured metacarpel )

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jun/12/sports/sp-lakers12

surgery to repair torn shoulder

http://www.re-quest.net/g2g/news/kobe-bryant/



June 30, 2003. Kobe flies to Colorado in anticipation of a scheduled knee surgery operation on July 1st.

surgery to repair knee


https://books.google.ca/books?id=XNWKrS57UBoC&pg=PT67&lpg=PT67&dq=kobe+2007+knee+surgery&source=bl&ots=tzLGbf-uWY&sig=oUnKhCQ1iA6_qJxm5StWj0V-6M0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBGoVChMI29T3rt36xwIVSxeSCh3zcw4f#v=on epage&q=kobe%202007%20knee%20surgery&f=false


. Soon after the 2006 postseason ended, Kobe Bryant underwent surgery to correct problems with his right knee.



http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2015/08/22/kobe-bryant-shoots-for-first-time-since-shoulder-surgery/

[QUOTE]can do it faster it's him, but first shoots after surgery../QUOTE]


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/14/sports/la-sp-ln-kobe-bryant-achilles-surgery-20130414

[QUOTE]Exclusive: Doctor who performed Kobe Bryant's surgery is optimistic/QUOTE]


then theres the surgery for his knee ( most recent injury )



and his many trips to germany



and these

http://i.imgur.com/BjeZE.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

With you/alts yes :oldlol:


ask kblaze or jeff if i have any alts


not permabanned atleast ( and theyre griff related from nearly a decade ago )

[Hey Yo]

do you know how to read
Sure I can.

Can you, Mr. I show a graph which states 2 surgeries??

[TheMarkMadsen]

Sure I can.

Can you, Mr. I show a graph which states 2 surgeries??


:facepalm :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

surgery to repair broken wrist

http://lakerholicz.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/51620874_kobewrsit.jpg

surgery to repair broken hand ( fractured metacarpel )

http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jun/12/sports/sp-lakers12

surgery to repair torn shoulder

http://www.re-quest.net/g2g/news/kobe-bryant/



surgery to repair knee


https://books.google.ca/books?id=XNWKrS57UBoC&pg=PT67&lpg=PT67&dq=kobe+2007+knee+surgery&source=bl&ots=tzLGbf-uWY&sig=oUnKhCQ1iA6_qJxm5StWj0V-6M0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDsQ6AEwBGoVChMI29T3rt36xwIVSxeSCh3zcw4f#v=on epage&q=kobe%202007%20knee%20surgery&f=false




http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2015/08/22/kobe-bryant-shoots-for-first-time-since-shoulder-surgery/

[QUOTE]can do it faster it's him, but first shoots after surgery../QUOTE]


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/apr/14/sports/la-sp-ln-kobe-bryant-achilles-surgery-20130414

[QUOTE]Exclusive: Doctor who performed Kobe Bryant's surgery is optimistic/QUOTE]


then theres the surgery for his knee ( most recent injury )



and his many trips to germany

you provided 5......where's the other 8?


You're making it easier for me than Vern and Chancie had it.

[Hey Yo]

:facepalm :facepalm
ruined....

[TheMarkMadsen]

ruined....

whatever helps you cope dude :oldlol:

you're too big of an idiot to realize that graph doesn't even show all of his injuries, he had surgery on his torn rotator cuff twice alone...

figured that was common knowledge..

guess i got to hold your hand through this as always :confusedshrug: