Can we stop listing Lebron's rebound numbers?

[90sgoat]

When talking about his qualities?

The guy is 6-8, 250lbs, anyone that size can grab rebounds by default on defense. Am I supposed to be impressed by a 6-8, 250lbs player grabbing 7-8 boards a game? 6-5 Charles Barkley had several 12+ seasons.

Lebron does not even have one season of 10+ rebounds.

That is honestly WEAK for a player his size. He isn't a good offensive rebounder either. I'm sure someone can look this up.

The general thing is, why be impressed by a couple more assists when he is such a comparatively bad rebounder.

Anyone Lebrons size should be able to get 10+ rebounds with ease.

[chips93]

you ought to be impressed that he can be both a good rebounder and a great passer/ball handler

rarely can a player do both at as high a level as lebron.


Am I supposed to be impressed by a 6-8, 250lbs player grabbing 7-8 boards a game? 6-5 Charles Barkley had several 12+ seasons.

compared to chuck, every player who has ever played ought to have grabbed more rebounds. its not a fair comparison, barkley was a freak, an outlier.

[90sgoat]

you ought to be impressed that he can be both a good rebounder and a great passer/ball handler

rarely can a player do both at as high a level as lebron.



compared to chuck, every player who has ever played ought to have grabbed more rebounds. its not a fair comparison, barkley was a freak, an outlier.

He's NOT a good rebounder though?

He is a weak rebounder for his size.

[senelcoolidge]

Bird was 10 rpg for his career. We all know how good of a passer he was and he played off the ball. He still averaged 6+ apg for his career.
Rick Barry 6.7 rpg and nearly 5 apg and he was smaller than Lebron and Bird. He also played off the ball.
Dominque averaged 6+ rpg and he was not even known for that.
Dr. J averaged 8+rpg.
I didn't even list Elgin Baylor and others.
Lebron has the body of a PF, yet other SF's rebounded better than him. 6.5 for a career is kind of weak. He does have 6 apg but look at his turnover average.

[90sgoat]

Bird was 10 rpg for his career. We all know how good of a passer he was and he played off the ball. He still averaged 6+ apg for his career.
Rick Barry 6.7 rpg and nearly 5 apg and he was smaller than Lebron and Bird. He also played off the ball.
Dominque averaged 6+ rpg and he was not even known for that.
Dr. J averaged 8+rpg.
I didn't even list Elgin Baylor and others.
Lebron has the body of a PF, yet other SF's rebounded better than him. 6.5 for a career is kind of weak. He does have 6 apg but look at his turnover average.

Exactly.

And Lebron is all defensive rebounds. Any big guy can grab defensive boards by blockout alone, it really is no great feature.

6.5 rpg is weak sauce.

[KnittingRyu]

The main reason I am not impressed by his rebounds is because he is rarely battling for them. He just runs in and grabs his rebounds when others are boxing out. They are Jason Kidd style rebounds, not Dennis Rodman.

[Hey Yo]

3ball will be chiming in shortly to agree with his own OP

[90sgoat]

The main reason I am not impressed by his rebounds is because he is rarely battling for them. He just runs in and grabs his rebounds when others are boxing out. They are Jason Kidd style rebounds, not Dennis Rodman.

Lebron very rarely battles for rebounds and almost never offensive rebounds. His rebounds are pretty meaningless.

Holy shit how bad he is:

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/player/rebounding/?sort=REB_CONTESTED&dir=1

Sort by 'Contested REB pr. game' and go to page 4.

Lebron has less contested rebounds pr. game than James Harden:roll:

No wait, there's more!!!!

Lebron has less contested rebounds pr. game than Andrea Bargnani!!!!

Lebron has 1.4, Bargnani has 1.5.

Lebron is literally a worse rebounder than James Harden and Andrea Bargnani.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[tmacattack33]

When talking about his qualities?

The guy is 6-8, 250lbs, anyone that size can grab rebounds by default on defense. Am I supposed to be impressed by a 6-8, 250lbs player grabbing 7-8 boards a game? 6-5 Charles Barkley had several 12+ seasons.

Lebron does not even have one season of 10+ rebounds.

That is honestly WEAK for a player his size. He isn't a good offensive rebounder either. I'm sure someone can look this up.

The general thing is, why be impressed by a couple more assists when he is such a comparatively bad rebounder.

Anyone Lebrons size should be able to get 10+ rebounds with ease.

Great, so you are saying he is a good rebounder but that it doesn't count because he is tall and built.

But the problem is that his rebounds do count. The ref doesn't blow a whistle after his rebounds and give the ball back to the other team citing an unfair height and weight advantage :oldlol:

You are applyting some type of pound by pound or inch by inch logic that would only apply to boxing and wrestling which have weight classes.

[Real Men Wear Green]

James could do more of everything but jumpshooting. But people should realize that superstars like James can't do everything for their team for 82 games. So the fact that he gets more boards than the average starting three is to be respected. With Kevin Love and (probably?) Tristan Thompson on his team he doesn't need to average 10 boards anyway so he can focus on other things.
The main reason I am not impressed by his rebounds is because he is rarely battling for them. He just runs in and grabs his rebounds when others are boxing out. They are Jason Kidd style rebounds, not Dennis Rodman.
No dominant rebounder has all the roles James has. On offense Rodman in fact had no role beyond rebounding. And the 20/10 bigs we've seen didn't handle the ball nearly as much as James or set up teammates like James.

Only one player in league history has ever averaged a triple-double.

[imdaman99]

He definitely stat pads his rebounds, I remember him fighting his own teammate for one so he could get a triple double :facepalm

The good thing about him grabbing those rebounds is he can start the fastbreak

[90sgoat]

Great, so you are saying he is a good rebounder but that it doesn't count because he is tall and built.

But the problem is that his rebounds do count. The ref doesn't blow a whistle after his rebounds and give the ball back to the other team citing an unfair height and weight advantage :oldlol:

You are applyting some type of pound by pound or inch by inch logic that would only apply to boxing and wrestling which have weight classes.

He is an absolute shit rebounder see my post above.

He grabs less contested rebounds pr. game than James Harden, old ass Kobe and Andrea Bargnani.:roll:

[Hey Yo]

He definitely stat pads his rebounds, I remember him fighting his own teammate for one so he could get a triple double :facepalm

The good thing about him grabbing those rebounds is he can start the fastbreak
allegedly.....:rolleyes:

[iTare]

Still top 5.

[chips93]

He's NOT a good rebounder though?

He is a weak rebounder for his size.

who cares? he gets rebounds, hes a good rebounder

if a 6'5 player grabs 5 rpg, and a 6'10 player grabs 6rpg, the 6'10 player is the better rebounder.

[chips93]

The main reason I am not impressed by his rebounds is because he is rarely battling for them. He just runs in and grabs his rebounds when others are boxing out. They are Jason Kidd style rebounds, not Dennis Rodman.

true, the often ignite fast breaks though

[kennethgriffin]

what a surprise. someone posting a topic i've brought up dozens of times


i've said this so many times its boring to me now


lebron is only a good rebounder when being compared with kobe/jordan


2 guys who are natural shooting guard bodies

vs

bran. who is a natural power forward body

lebron at his biggest was chocked down as around 6-9, 274 pounds


his 6-8, 240 nonsense was a listing given out when the dude was 18 years old


anyone that big who can jump higher than any apposing PF should get 10+ rpg

[90sgoat]

what a surprise. someone posting a topic i've brought up dozens of times


i've said this so many times its boring to me now


lebron is only a good rebounder when being compared with kobe/jordan


2 guys who are natural shooting guard bodies

vs

bran. who is a natural power forward body

lebron at his biggest was chocked down as around 6-9, 274 pounds


his 6-8, 240 nonsense was a listing given out when the dude was 18 years old


anyone that big who can jump higher than any apposing PF should get 10+ rpg

Last year he grabbed less contested rebounds than Kobe tho.:biggums:

[aj1987]

So, according to retards like OP, LeBron should grab 10+ rebounds a game, average 30+ PPG, have a TS of 60%+, average Magic like assist numbers, and play DPOY level defense? :roll eyes:

Shit thread is shit. Dude averages 7 in the RS and 9 in the PO's, while being an elite scorer and playmaker, and an elite defender (pre '14).

[j3lademaster]

Rebounding numbers are only impressive if team rebounding improves when that player steps on the court. Not trying to say having a sf who can grab boards isn't a nice luxury, but it is the most replaceable stat for your playmaking superstar.

[90sgoat]

Rebounding numbers are only impressive if team rebounding improves when that player steps on the court. Not trying to say having a sf who can grab boards isn't a nice luxury, but it is the most replaceable stat for your playmaking superstar.

Everyone ignores the stats I posted which show that Lebron barely grabs any contested rebounds, less than Andrea Bargnani.

These are usually defensive rebounds that are not contested by the opposite teams who don't crash the boards but run home.

They're rebounds which any other player could grab with little difference in outcome.

[ralph_i_el]

Exactly.

And Lebron is all defensive rebounds. Any big guy can grab defensive boards by blockout alone, it really is no great feature.

6.5 rpg is weak sauce.

harder to get orebounds playing on the perimeter. See: Kevin Love's career Orbd%'s

[Kblaze8855]

That you manage to downplay his rebounding due to size and still downplay his playmaking which is absurd for anyone near his size isnt unexpected....but im surprised you do them so close together in the same topic.

[90sgoat]

That you manage to downplay his rebounding due to size and still downplay his playmaking which is absurd for anyone near his size isnt unexpected....but im surprised you do them so close together in the same topic.

He gets fewer contested rebounds than Andrea Bargnani. Do you agree that is weak and straight lazy?

I don't think Lebron being a playmaker is an optimal strategy (thanks 3ball), I am old school and think Lebron should play power forward with his size. If he had a half decent low post game and mid range jumper he would be unstoppable and much more influential than as a SF.

[ArbitraryWater]

LeBron in 2015 grabbed 74.5% rebounds per opportunity, that's better than the NBA's leading rebounder, DeAndre Jordan (73.6%).

[Straight_Ballin]

Everyone ignores the stats I posted which show that Lebron barely grabs any contested rebounds, less than Andrea Bargnani.

These are usually defensive rebounds that are not contested by the opposite teams who don't crash the boards but run home.

They're rebounds which any other player could grab with little difference in outcome.

Ofcourse not. He's trying to conserve energy to pad the rest of the stats. The guy runs 0.5 miles less per 48 minutes than the role players, and he exerts little to no energy on contested boards.

[Real Men Wear Green]

If he had a half decent low post game and mid range jumper he would be unstoppable and much more influential than as a SF.While there are certainly areas James could improve upon I am amazed whenever someone writes something like this about a guy with 4 MVP awards. How many players have 4 or more MVPs? I figure Jordan and Magic definitely and then maybe Wilt, Kareem, and Mikan? Whoever's dopne it the list is extremely short so trivializing the career of someone on this list just doesn't make sense. You're basically saying if they aren't the greatest player of all time then they're a failure.

[90sgoat]

While there are certainly areas James could improve upon I am amazed whenever someone writes something like this about a guy with 4 MVP awards. How many players have 4 or more MVPs? I figure Jordan and Magic definitely and then maybe Wilt, Kareem, and Mikan? Whoever's dopne it the list is extremely short so trivializing the career of someone on this list just doesn't make sense. You're basically saying if they aren't the greatest player of all time then they're a failure.

Media BS award.

Finals MVP or go home. He has 2 rings and needed a top 3 all time SG to do it.

[Kblaze8855]

Ah the often repeated media award claim...

Tell me...what group of idiots would give the MVP to someone else when Lebron puts up like 27/8/7 on 57% shooting with 41% from 3 and wins 66 games with 27 in a row?

Or 30/9/7 on those Cleveland teams that won 66 and 61 games with as little talent as has ever been taken to such records?

Who does these things and doesnt...win MVP?

You could argue someone else that year Kobe led the lakers to like 65....but realistically no group of people...media, players, coaches or GMs.....gives anyone else those awards. Not 3 of them at least. So why does it matter who voted?

[90sgoat]

Ah the often repeated media award claim...

Tell me...what group of idiots would give the MVP to someone else when Lebron puts up like 27/8/7 on 57% shooting with 41% from 3 and wins 66 games with 27 in a row?

Or 30/9/7 on those Cleveland teams that won 66 and 61 games with as little talent as has ever been taken to such records?

Who does these things and doesnt...win MVP?

You could argue someone else that year Kobe led the lakers to like 65....but realistically no group of people...media, players, coaches or GMs.....gives anyone else those awards. Not 3 of them at least. So why does it matter who voted?

What does it matter?

Steve Nash won it twice and crumbled in the playoffs.

The modern game, the regular season is just training camp, doesn't matter at all.

It's like you guys just won't accept that fact that maybe Lebron could be MORE valuable with 10+ rebounds and 2 less apg?

25-14-5 would be better than his current numbers. Spend some more time on defense too.

Alas, you still have not answered the fact that Lebron last year had less contested rebounds than James Harden, Kobe and Andrea Bargnanin. That is not just below average, it is WEAK. Lebron got less contested rebounds than James Haren.

What's the point then of Lebrons 7 or so rebounds, if they are just the kind anyone can grab because the other team is running home and not crashing the boards?

Why have this massive man playing if he doesn't use his size where it matters in the post and on the offensive glass?

2/6 thats why.

[Vaniiiia]

Ah the often repeated media award claim...

Tell me...what group of idiots would give the MVP to someone else when Lebron puts up like 27/8/7 on 57% shooting with 41% from 3 and wins 66 games with 27 in a row?

Or 30/9/7 on those Cleveland teams that won 66 and 61 games with as little talent as has ever been taken to such records?

Who does these things and doesnt...win MVP?

You could argue someone else that year Kobe led the lakers to like 65....but realistically no group of people...media, players, coaches or GMs.....gives anyone else those awards. Not 3 of them at least. So why does it matter who voted?
He'd actually have a point if he referenced 2008 Kobe.

LeBron though? :roll:

GTFOH.

[90sgoat]

He'd actually have a point if he referenced 2008 Kobe.

LeBron though? :roll:

GTFOH.

Simon pls go.

[Vaniiiia]

Simon pls go.
LeBron UPS his game in the playoffs though kid. Not only was he the regular season KING, but he's been the postseason king since like 2007.

Rings are team awards. LeBron winning a couple didn't change my perception of him at all. He's still the same dominant force he's been since day 1.... regardless of he has good enough personal around him to win a team championship.

Individually? He's the best. There is no argument.

[KnittingRyu]

No dominant rebounder has all the roles James has. On offense Rodman in fact had no role beyond rebounding. And the 20/10 bigs we've seen didn't handle the ball nearly as much as James or set up teammates like James.

Only one player in league history has ever averaged a triple-double.

I'm just talking about as a rebounder. Not sure why you are talking about everything else that has nothing to do with rebounding. LeBron is an immense player, no doubt about it, but his rebounding isn't as impressive as the numbers indicate.

[90sgoat]

I'm just talking about as a rebounder. Not sure why you are talking about everything else that has nothing to do with rebounding. LeBron is an immense player, no doubt about it, but his rebounding isn't as impressive as the numbers indicate.

Enough of this ***** footing around, he is a worse rebounder than Bargnani, that is straight up awful.

[Wade's Rings]

LeBron UPS his game in the playoffs though kid. Not only was he the regular season KING, but he's been the postseason king since like 2007.

Rings are team awards. LeBron winning a couple didn't change my perception of him at all. He's still the same dominant force he's been since day 1.... regardless of he has good enough personal around him to win a team championship.

Individually? He's the best. There is no argument.

:roll:

Your team also helps decide MVPs.

[aj1987]

I wonder whose alt OP is.

[Lebron23]

I wonder whose alt OP is.


Markmadsen, or that Lakers fan who became a Warriors fan.

[KellhitEmup15]

Enough of this ***** footing around, he is a worse rebounder than Bargnani, that is straight up awful.

11.3 rebound in playoffs big men numbers right there.:rockon:

[Hey Yo]

Enough of this ***** footing around, he is a worse rebounder than Bargnani, that is straight up awful.
Bargnani avg. 2.8 rebounds in the playoffs.

LeBron 8.8

[Vaniiiia]

:roll:

Your team also helps decide MVPs.
His numbers were always the best. You can carry your team to a ton of wins in the regular season because you aren't facing the best of the best every night like you are in the playoffs. So LeBron and Durants team can stack up a ton of wins based off their individual excellence but when the postseason starts the better team always prevails. But those guys are still individually dominant and through the eye test one can tell they're on a different level than anyone else.

Perfect example is the 2015 finals. One guy stuck out like a sore thumb and dominated like no one ever has in the finals before. He almost won finals MVP on the losing team.

I'm not even saying there aren't sometimes bullshit regular season MVPs.... because there are. Kobe, for example. And Curry this past year.

It's on the fan to decipher if the individual is creating the wins, or is the team creating the wins.

You see, this past year when Curry won, it was because he was surrounded by the deepest team in the league, who also happened to be well coached. Great example of a bullshit MVP award that is no way indicative of who the best player was.

But all the times Lebron won, it was because he was the best player, and solely responsible for most of the wins. There's no black and white, but smart fans usually figure it out.

[Kblaze8855]

I'll tell you what...point out the people who had accomplished more at this point in their career and ill consider if Lebron should be doing something terribly different.

The people exist...but not enough to show hes doing anything wrong. Hes won 2 rings. He should have 3(11). Thats about it.

[Lebron23]

Bargnani avg. 2.8 rebounds in the playoffs.

LeBron 8.8

He got ethered in this thread over and over again.

[90sgoat]

I'll tell you what...point out the people who had accomplished more at this point in their career and ill consider if Lebron should be doing something terribly different.

The people exist...but not enough to show hes doing anything wrong. Hes won 2 rings. He should have 3(11). Thats about it.

The recent finals proved my point. Lebron got multiple isolations. If he had half the post game of Sir Charles he would have murdered those isolations and if he had been half the rebound Sir Charles was then he could have had an actual offensive power forward to play along with him instead of a designated offensive garbage man in TT.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Hes just not that good. Small dick

[aj1987]

The recent finals proved my point. Lebron got multiple isolations. If he had half the post game of Sir Charles he would have murdered those isolations and if he had been half the rebound Sir Charles was then he could have had an actual offensive power forward to play along with him instead of a designated offensive garbage man in TT.
Who would play SF and who would take care of the playmaking duties?

[Hey Yo]

The recent finals proved my point. Lebron got multiple isolations. If he had half the post game of Sir Charles he would have murdered those isolations and if he had been half the rebound Sir Charles was then he could have had an actual offensive power forward to play along with him instead of a designated offensive garbage man in TT.
:sleeping

If you're going to use LeBron's 2015 Finals and say other players would have done better, then make sure the other player was playing in his 5th straight Finals while also leading his team in MP, pts, TRB and assists for the 4th straight postseason.

[Kblaze8855]

The recent finals proved my point. Lebron got multiple isolations. If he had half the post game of Sir Charles he would have murdered those isolations and if he had been half the rebound Sir Charles was then he could have had an actual offensive power forward to play along with him instead of a designated offensive garbage man in TT.



If Lebron had the post game of Barkley he wouldnt be Lebron in the first place.

Hes a giant guard.

You can nitpick and say anyone would be better if they could ____. You could make the case that if Barkley had the guard skills and willingness to apply them that most 6'4'' nba players do some of his teams that had backcourt issues might have had him to solve them.

But then you consider that while being who he was....he was one of the all time greats....so it was the duty of his teammates to fill holes instead of him being something he wasnt.

Im sure Dr.J could have been a defensive stopper and godly rebounder...kinda unreasonable to ask why he wasnt when he was already so much.

There comes a point when "Well...why doesnt he also do this?" is just a haters question.

And that point is well short of being a 4 time MVP with 2 rings at only age 30.

[Lebron23]

OP created an alternate account. OP got bullied in this thread.

[20Four]

His numbers were always the best. You can carry your team to a ton of wins in the regular season because you aren't facing the best of the best every night like you are in the playoffs. So LeBron and Durants team can stack up a ton of wins based off their individual excellence but when the postseason starts the better team always prevails. But those guys are still individually dominant and through the eye test one can tell they're on a different level than anyone else.

Perfect example is the 2015 finals. One guy stuck out like a sore thumb and dominated like no one ever has in the finals before. He almost won finals MVP on the losing team.

I'm not even saying there aren't sometimes bullshit regular season MVPs.... because there are. Kobe, for example. And Curry this past year.

It's on the fan to decipher if the individual is creating the wins, or is the team creating the wins.

You see, this past year when Curry won, it was because he was surrounded by the deepest team in the league, who also happened to be well coached. Great example of a bullshit MVP award that is no way indicative of who the best player was.

But all the times Lebron won, it was because he was the best player, and solely responsible for most of the wins. There's no black and white, but smart fans usually figure it out.

Dubeta aka. jameer, will you ever stop? I bodied you in the other thread which you cried to the mods to delete.....its funny every thread you get bodied in you have it deleted.... :facepalm

[Smoke117]

Bird was 10 rpg for his career. We all know how good of a passer he was and he played off the ball. He still averaged 6+ apg for his career.
Rick Barry 6.7 rpg and nearly 5 apg and he was smaller than Lebron and Bird. He also played off the ball.
Dominque averaged 6+ rpg and he was not even known for that.
Dr. J averaged 8+rpg.
I didn't even list Elgin Baylor and others.
Lebron has the body of a PF, yet other SF's rebounded better than him. 6.5 for a career is kind of weak. He does have 6 apg but look at his turnover average.

Yeah because there wasn't a lot more shots going up in the 60s and 80s. :rolleyes:

[aj1987]

Yeah because there wasn't a lot more shots going up in the 60s and 80s. :rolleyes:
LeBron's teams were usually at 90 and Bird's teams were anywhere from 95-100+ (pace). Bird was a better rebounder though.

[90sgoat]

Lebron has one legit ring against the Thunder, the one against Spurs had a lot of shady reffing and missed stiff arms and other offensive fouls.

I postulate that Lebron would simply not have more than one ring without massive collusion with a top 3 GOAT shooting guard - only one season removed from top scorer candidacy - and not without basically the league changing the rules for offensive fouls for Lebron and only Lebron.

In this more realistic light who is Lebron really?

Someone who has yet to show his ability to win without a league leading scorer and Finals MVP and without massive ref help.

The realistic view of Lebron is simply a stat padding bully, a Karl Malone, a lesser Sir Charles.

That IS the truth. Allen Iverson had multiple 30 ppg seasons and never amounted to shit because he shot sub .400 and like Lebron less clever fans think this is somehow the same as 'dominating'.

If Allen Iverson in his prime had teamed up with Kobe Bryant then he would probably also win a ring.

[aj1987]

Lebron has one legit ring against the Thunder, the one against Spurs had a lot of shady reffing and missed stiff arms and other offensive fouls.

I postulate that Lebron would simply not have more than one ring without massive collusion with a top 3 GOAT shooting guard - only one season removed from top scorer candidacy - and not without basically the league changing the rules for offensive fouls for Lebron and only Lebron.

In this more realistic light who is Lebron really?

Someone who has yet to show his ability to win without a league leading scorer and Finals MVP and without massive ref help.

The realistic view of Lebron is simply a stat padding bully, a Karl Malone, a lesser Sir Charles.

That IS the truth. Allen Iverson had multiple 30 ppg seasons and never amounted to shit because he shot sub .400 and like Lebron less clever fans think this is somehow the same as 'dominating'.

If Allen Iverson in his prime had teamed up with Kobe Bryant then he would probably also win a ring.
Retard confirmed.

[GrapeApe]

Lebron is a perimeter player. I know this might be hard for some of you to understand, but the position you play does impact (and to a certain degree dictate) your statistics. In reality, perimeter players SHOULDN'T be averaging big rebounding numbers, regardless of their size. There are some exceptions of course, but rebounding is generally not one of their main responsibilities, especially for a player like Lebron who is a primary ball handler. If Lebron was a full time PF he'd average double digit rebounds. Easily.

I'll say this though, Lebron does stat pad rebounds. There were countless times he would swoop in and grab an uncontested rebound from Bosh and Bosh would just give him this "what the hell" look. :oldlol:

[ClipperRevival]

Lebron is a perimeter player. I know this might be hard for some of you to understand, but the position you play does impact (and to a certain degree dictate) your statistics. In reality, perimeter players SHOULDN'T be averaging big rebounding numbers, regardless of their size. There are some exceptions of course, but rebounding is generally not one of their main responsibilities, especially for a player like Lebron who is a primary ball handler. If Lebron was a full time PF he'd average double digit rebounds. Easily.

I'll say this though, Lebron does stat pad rebounds. There were countless times he would swoop in and grab an uncontested rebound from Bosh and Bosh would just give him this "what the hell" look. :oldlol:

Came in here to say this, that Bron plays a perimeter position despite his size and that affects his reb numbers. You make him play the 4 and his numbers would naturally go up. Also, given the fact that he's been playing in the perimeter for most of his career, he has focused more on perimeter player respnsibilities.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Media BS award.
As has been shown, that's a terrible argument. A guy with one or two MVPs, maybe that's a fluke. When you have 4 it means you've been a dominant player.
I'm just talking about as a rebounder. Not sure why you are talking about everything else that has nothing to do with rebounding. LeBron is an immense player, no doubt about it, but his rebounding isn't as impressive as the numbers indicate.Because no player is going to dominate every statistic. No one is going to rebound like Rodman when they have all of James' responsibilities.