Bernie Sanders: Then and Now (1985-2015)

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kwv1O_G-IgU

:applause:

[ImmortalNemesis]

i want to fcvk bernie sanders

[sammichoffate]

This makes me so sad :(

[RidonKs]

This is how Bernie Sanders can beat Hilary Clinton (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/this-is-how-bernie-sanders-could-win/)

tl;dr bernie sanders cannot beat hilary clinton



but what a breath of fresh air this guy is. supporters of his message, if not his campaign or his overall platform, should not be discouraged if he only manages 25% of the primary vote. the mere fact that income inequality is now a mainstream conversation means the traditional parties can only prolong the inevitable, or completely revamp their agendas. it'll be a tough fight but the trends are very optimistic.

[Trollsmasher]

so there are in fact people in 2015 still believing socialist lies:lol

the guy can put on an act though:applause:

[UK2K]

so there are in fact people in 2015 still believing socialist lies:lol

the guy can put on an act though:applause:

Socialist Countries:

Soviet Union
North Korea
South Yemen
Yugoslavia
China

It's shocking, almost alarming, that people would vote for a socialist for president.

But, the mob mentality is strong these days. Convince stupid people that someone is the bad guy, and never tell them the truth, and they'll do what you say. See: Middle East, Africa

[fiddy]

Socialist Countries:

Soviet Union
North Korea
South Yemen
Yugoslavia
China

wtf list

[RidonKs]

america needs an open letter of public personalities admitting to their avowed socialism

purge this dirty word mccarthysm nonsense once and for all

anybody who believes socialism is inherently evil is a close minded knave

same people who believe practicing islam can turn you into mass murderer

:facepalm

[RidonKs]

Socialist Countries:

Soviet Union
North Korea
South Yemen
Yugoslavia
China

It's shocking, almost alarming, that people would vote for a socialist for president.

But, the mob mentality is strong these days. Convince stupid people that someone is the bad guy, and never tell them the truth, and they'll do what you say. See: Middle East, Africa
differentiate socialism from communism from leninism from marxism for a second if you please? i'm confused and amused by your lumping together that strange collection of countries.

socialism is a very moderate framework to inform your social policy... social policies which, by virtue of your being american and living under american laws your entire life, are common sense to you even though they are govt funded

[DonDadda59]

Meanwhile, This was Trump in 2004 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/index.html)


so there are in fact people in 2015 still believing socialist lies:lol


Yes, they're called Christians- followers of a Middle Eastern socialist named after a Mexican illegal alien.

http://www.cvd-gs.de/uploads/media/Jesus_Che_02.jpg

[Trollsmasher]

Meanwhile, This was Trump in 2004 (http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/index.html)



Yes, they're called Christians- followers of a Middle Eastern socialist named after a Mexican illegal alien.

http://www.cvd-gs.de/uploads/media/Jesus_Che_02.jpg
well, christians are idiots worshipping a jew on a stick, so that checks out

[Take Your Lumps]

Bernie obviously needs to make massive inroads with minorities past Iowa and New Hampshire but I saw a poll number today that shocked me. He just passed Clinton in NH among female voters (42% to 38%) :eek:

[DonDadda59]

well, christians are idiots worshipping a jew on a stick, so that checks out

:lebronamazed:

[NumberSix]

america needs an open letter of public personalities admitting to their avowed socialism

purge this dirty word mccarthysm nonsense once and for all

anybody who believes socialism is inherently evil is a close minded knave

same people who believe practicing islam can turn you into mass murderer

:facepalm
Sanders isn't a "socialist" and I don't even know the word for him. He doesn't just want to redistribute existing wealth. He wants mass spending increases of money that doesn't exist.

I don't know how many of you here actually delve into candidates fiscal proposals, but Sanders is a dangerous person. This guy wants to increase spending by $18 trillion. THIS is why the DNC isn't happy about Bernie. They know his reckless spending ideas are not going to go over well with the general public.

[UK2K]

differentiate socialism from communism from leninism from marxism for a second if you please? i'm confused and amused by your lumping together that strange collection of countries.

socialism is a very moderate framework to inform your social policy... social policies which, by virtue of your being american and living under american laws your entire life, are common sense to you even though they are govt funded
Yoi need me to explain it to you?

You may want to try Google instead.

In fact, Google 'socialist countries'.

[UK2K]

wtf list
Google 'Socialist Countries'

Those are all countries that are 'self-declared' socialist countries.

Maybe you should tell them that they're wrong.

[fiddy]

Google 'Socialist Countries'

Those are all countries that are 'self-declared' socialist countries.

Maybe you should tell them that they're wrong.
Is that supposed to be a historic list or a current one? Because either way its not complete.

[RidonKs]

Google 'Socialist Countries'

Those are all countries that are 'self-declared' socialist countries.

Maybe you should tell them that they're wrong.
the word socialism has an intellectual history that seeped into mass culture during the 1800s

just because several states declare themselves as socialist, does not make it so

the nazis certainly weren't socialists yet its right there in the party title

the modern conservative party in commonwealth countries has virtually nothing to do with the conservatism as it was understood during the enlightenment. the definition of that word is even more twisted in the united states than it is everywhere else. its doctrine has come to include a collection of completely absurd and hypocritical positions.

the core of socialism is workers control over the means of production

north koreans can't even sniff control over consumption

hell according to that definition, which i'd be happy to defend, the soviet union completely undermined socialism as soon as lenin seized control. 1917 wasn't a workers revolution by any stretch of the imagination, and it would be more accurate to call it a coup.

one thing is for certain; the "Soviet System" did not practise socialism

here is an enlightening five minutes on why everybody believes the soviet union was a socialist state (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Z05xyGB0c)

[RidonKs]

Sanders isn't a "socialist" and I don't even know the word for him. He doesn't just want to redistribute existing wealth. He wants mass spending increases of money that doesn't exist.

I don't know how many of you here actually delve into candidates fiscal proposals, but Sanders is a dangerous person. This guy wants to increase spending by $18 trillion. THIS is why the DNC isn't happy about Bernie. They know his reckless spending ideas are not going to go over well with the general public.
lol money that doesn't exist

wtf r u saying?

that the money all just DISAPPEARED

its in somebody's pockets you numbskull

pockets that now account for 0.1% of the population but 90% of the wealth

that ratio has been tipping its scales for years now but bear in mind its a trend that isn't inevitable

it started in 1973 with richard nixon dismantling the international monetary regime

[NumberSix]

lol money that doesn't exist

wtf r u saying?

that the money all just DISAPPEARED

its in somebody's pockets you numbskull

pockets that now account for 0.1% of the population but 90% of the wealth

that ratio has been tipping its scales for years now but bear in mind its a trend that isn't inevitable

it started in 1973 with richard nixon dismantling the international monetary regime
What are you talking about?:wtf:

[NumberSix]

the word socialism has an intellectual history that seeped into mass culture during the 1800s

just because several states declare themselves as socialist, does not make it so

the nazis certainly weren't socialists yet its right there in the party title

the modern conservative party in commonwealth countries has virtually nothing to do with the conservatism as it was understood during the enlightenment. the definition of that word is even more twisted in the united states than it is everywhere else. its doctrine has come to include a collection of completely absurd and hypocritical positions.

the core of socialism is workers control over the means of production

north koreans can't even sniff control over consumption

hell according to that definition, which i'd be happy to defend, the soviet union completely undermined socialism as soon as lenin seized control. 1917 wasn't a workers revolution by any stretch of the imagination, and it would be more accurate to call it a coup.

one thing is for certain; the "Soviet System" did not practise socialism

here is an enlightening five minutes on why everybody believes the soviet union was a socialist state (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9Z05xyGB0c)
Why are you changing people's post to put them under my name?

[Coach Eddie]

That consistency :applause:

[Mike Armstrong]

This is how Bernie Sanders can beat Hilary Clinton (http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/this-is-how-bernie-sanders-could-win/)

tl;dr bernie sanders cannot beat hilary clinton



but what a breath of fresh air this guy is. supporters of his message, if not his campaign or his overall platform, should not be discouraged if he only manages 25% of the primary vote. the mere fact that income inequality is now a mainstream conversation means the traditional parties can only prolong the inevitable, or completely revamp their agendas. it'll be a tough fight but the trends are very optimistic.

Yarp.

[Ass Dan]

Socialist Countries:

Soviet Union
North Korea
South Yemen
Yugoslavia
China

It's shocking, almost alarming, that people would vote for a socialist for president.

But, the mob mentality is strong these days. Convince stupid people that someone is the bad guy, and never tell them the truth, and they'll do what you say. See: Middle East, Africa

To equate socialism with communism is ignorant.

top ten highest standards of living in the world (no order, in bold are 'socialist' countries).

Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Denmark
Switzerland
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Singapore

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

[RidonKs]

Why are you changing people's post to put them under my name?
yeah you're right

sorry for that confusion uk2k

[RidonKs]

To equate socialism with communism is ignorant.

top ten highest standards of living in the world (no order, in bold are 'socialist' countries).

Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Denmark
Switzerland
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Singapore

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html
singapore and hong kong do not deserve to be left out of your subset

[Ass Dan]

singapore and hong kong do not deserve to be left out of your subset

I left them out because they are city states and governed much more like corporations than countries.

[DeuceWallaces]

Socialist Countries:

Soviet Union
North Korea
South Yemen
Yugoslavia
China

It's shocking, almost alarming, that people would vote for a socialist for president.

But, the mob mentality is strong these days. Convince stupid people that someone is the bad guy, and never tell them the truth, and they'll do what you say. See: Middle East, Africa

:lol

Looks like you understand socialism about as well as vegetarianism.

[lil jahlil]

Ridiculous that a guy like him doesn't get serious attention unless he signs up as a Democrat or Republican. Our system sucks.

[lil jahlil]

:lol

Looks like you understand socialism about as well as vegetarianism.

It is UK2K. When has he ever sounded educated about something?

[Nanners]

To equate socialism with communism is ignorant.

top ten highest standards of living in the world (no order, in bold are 'socialist' countries).

Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Denmark
Switzerland
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Singapore

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

thank you.

you have to be straight up mentally disabled to think bernie sanders has any similarities whatsoever with fat kim and north korea. :oldlol:

[RidonKs]

I left them out because they are city states and governed much more like corporations than countries.
strong social safety net and substantial state policy promoting community is alls im sayin but yeah




GO BERNIE WOOP WOOP

[NumberSix]

strong social safety net and substantial state policy promoting community is alls im sayin but yeah




GO BERNIE WOOP WOOP
It depends who it's available to.

If I moved to Sweden tomorrow, I don't think it makes any sense that I would ever be able to collect any government benefits. As it is, they would be doing me a favor by letting me live in their country. I think if you move to another country, you should have to make it on your own.

[Nanners]

bernie has pulled dead even with hillary in iowa and he is well ahead of her in new hampshire.

[UK2K]

To equate socialism with communism is ignorant.

top ten highest standards of living in the world (no order, in bold are 'socialist' countries).

Norway
Sweden
Netherlands
Denmark
Switzerland
Canada
Australia
New Zealand
Hong Kong
Singapore

http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-top-ten/world-top-ten-quality-of-life-map.html

Those countries you mention, specifically the ones in NE Europe, have a higher quality of a life for many reasons, many of which has nothing to do with their economic set up.


They are all borderline socialist states, with generous welfare benefits and lots of redistribution of wealth. Yet they don’t let that socialism cross the line into autocracy. Civil liberties are abundant (consider decriminalized drugs and prostitution in the Netherlands). There are few restrictions on the flow of capital or of labor. Legatum’s scholars point out that Denmark, for example, has little job protection, but generous unemployment benefits. So business owners can keep the right number of workers, while workers can have a safety net while they muck around looking for that fulfilling job.

But you take the good with the bad. For every prosperous socialist country, there are as many that aren't so awesome. Those countries also happen to be sparsely populated (minus Hong Kong, obviously). Many of those countries have been rich for decades, or in the case of Denmark and others, hundreds of years.

Here's the deal with capitalism... Some people have to be poor. Now, I'm guessing people who are pro-socialism think nobody should be poor. That's fine, and a valid argument. I disagree and think there are winners and losers in life.

The most important difference between us and them, though, is the character of our population. It's the same reason you can't compare crime statistics between the US and Europe, we are different people. While Norway has one illegal immigrant for every 338 people (5mil/15,000), the US has one illegal for every 10 people (300m/30m). If Norway had, say, 500,000 illegal immigrants not paying taxes as opposed to 15,000, they may be singing a different tune. They don't have drug problems. They don't have many of the issues we have here. They are a different people. That's like comparing the US to China (a semi-capitalist country recently). The two countries are nothing alike. In fact, no country on this planet is quite like the US.

As I said, Europeans have a high quality of life for many reasons. You chose to ignore the shitty socialist countries, ironically. You believe in 'everyone gets a trophy'. I don't. I believe people who 'cant find a job' (despite seeing help wanted signs everywhere) who are in need of welfare should work for it. The state of Maine thought so too, and nearly 80% of their welfare recipients suddenly stopped requesting welfare once the state enacted a law requiring 20 hours of work per week. 20 hours. You think 10,000 of the 12,500 recipients weren't scamming the system? But you want to do that nationwide right?


:lol

Looks like you understand socialism about as well as vegetarianism.

I understand you have a crush on me. That much, I do know.

[ArbitraryWater]

UK2K, kindly remove yourself from all political topics.

[UK2K]

UK2K, kindly remove yourself from all political topics.

Place me on ignore. I'll return the favor.

[DeuceWallaces]

You are absolutely clueless, but just keep on talking about shit you have absolutely no knowledge of; writing several hundred words even!

You're worse than golden age Primetime.

You'll get a lot further in life after you learn to shut the **** up when you have no idea what you're talking about.

[BasedTom]

bernie has pulled dead even with hillary in iowa and he is well ahead of her in new hampshire.
Just shows how hard Hilary has fallen off. If Trump waited a little longer, he might have decided the Democratic nomination would be an easier path. :D

would be interesting to see more dem nominees emerge. The Republican race is crowded, but I feel like that has actually worked out in the party's favour

[UK2K]

You are absolutely clueless, but just keep on talking about shit you have absolutely no knowledge of; writing several hundred words even!

You're worse than golden age Primetime.

You'll get a lot further in life after you learn to shut the **** up when you have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm very pleased with where I am at in life. I've got no complaints.

If it pains you to read it, then move on. Seems like you're getting turnt up over some message board chat. Maybe step away for a bit?

[DeuceWallaces]

Lol. You're the one who got shook seeing your name next to 9er and Jameer and had to step away for a week.

Idiots get me riled up. They've been doing so since you were just a 10 dollar bill in your dad's wallet, but I'll persevere. Slow and steady wins the race; 15 years going strong.

[UK2K]

Didn't have time for ISH between the beach lounging and bar hopping. Vacation, ya know?

Don't fret though, you can sate your obsession for me now that I'm back.

[DonDadda59]

You are absolutely clueless, but just keep on talking about shit you have absolutely no knowledge of; writing several hundred words even!

You're worse than golden age Primetime.

You'll get a lot further in life after you learn to shut the **** up when you have no idea what you're talking about.

Woah, let's not get carried away now. I've seen Prime, bless his heart, stretch out a debate for over a week when he clearly had no idea what he was talking about.

[ArbitraryWater]

Woah, let's not get carried away now. I've seen Prime, bless his heart, stretch out a debate for over a week when he clearly had no idea what he was talking about.

reminds me of you here http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311385

[DonDadda59]

reminds me of you here http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=311385

:biggums:

I put on a clinic in that thread.

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:

I put on a clinic in that thread.

yeah, you were quite hospital ready in that one


























ba dum tss!

[DonDadda59]

yeah, you were quite hospital ready in that one


























ba dum tss!

Jesus. You get more and more lame with every post.

Which poster are you stanning for this week? :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Jesus. You get more and more lame with every post.

Which poster are you stanning for this week? :confusedshrug:

damn, Dadda legit getting emotional again.. :(

[DonDadda59]

damn, Dadda legit getting emotional again.. :(

22,000 posts of literally nothing.

Just tell me this- are you at least stanning an active poster this time? :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Dadda please :lebroncry:

[DeuceWallaces]

Woah, let's not get carried away now. I've seen Prime, bless his heart, stretch out a debate for over a week when he clearly had no idea what he was talking about.

My bad.

Although, now that PT is a more mature family man, we need we a few more ignorant jackasses to slide into the void he left.

[DonDadda59]

My bad.

Although, now that PT is a more mature family man, we need we a few more ignorant jackasses to slide into the void he left.

True, getting away from the booze/drugs and strip clubs and getting married really changed Prime. Pretty amazing transformation that we witnessed here. Still can't believe that man is someone's father. I'll always remember fondly him posting drunken late night rants after getting bamboozled out of all his single dollar bills. :oldlol:

The Donald Trump all stars filled that void nicely.

[Coach Eddie]

22,000 posts of literally nothing.

Just tell me this- are you at least stanning an active poster this time? :confusedshrug:
:lol

[Take Your Lumps]

So it sounds like Biden is definitely running.

It might seem counter-intuitive in many ways, but I think this may work to Bernie's advantage in the long run.

Sanders needs to debate Clinton as many times as possible. With Joe Biden in the race, the DNC won't be able to whittle down the debates as much as they'd like.