Fitness versus health?

[sundizz]

Moses Malone's death got me thinking about this. I consider fitness and health two different areas.

Fitness -> Athletic ability
Health -> Optimal functioning of all the bodies systems

I think our society confuses these two quite often. It seems to correlate being in excellent aesthetic shape/ability to do amazing things with also being healthy.

Those random villagers in Japan that eat 1,200 calories a day + walk around all day + breathe fresh air + eat primarily vegetables and seafood are way way way way way way healthier than any professional athlete. However, their level of fitness (as defined by ability to do athletic stuff like play hoops etc) is weaksauce.

Agree or disagree? It always confuses me when people think that working out more or exercising harder is the key to them getting healthier when moderate exercise 3x a week (plus non sedentary lifestyle) is as much as you really need to do.

[duskovujosevic]

professional sport in general is not healthy. for 10-15 years in the game, their knees, spine, ankles, heart deteriorate to certain extent that they become walking corpses in 40 years of age.

[warriorfan]

Moses was a huge dude. I don't think many near 7 foot 300 pound guys live extremely long. Gonna use some bro science here but large dogs don't live as long as small dogs. Probably works similar in humans as well.

[kennethgriffin]

moses malones death was caused by being an nba star in the 80s


its called cocaine


not everyone did it. but allot did

youl be seeing more and more deaths coming soon much the same way with WWE

[ISHGoat]

Sustained elevated heart rate is like driving your car at high RPM all the time, its bad for the engine and your car is going to break down sooner than usual

[NZStreetBaller]

I think ur confusing fitness with athletically conditioned...

Fitness and health fo kinda go hand in hand.

When im prepping for a fight im not particularly feeling the heathiest or the fitness. But im at peak athletic state. Its almost like a short term high but it cant really be sustained for long periods.

A friend of myn is a bodybuilder and he says a couple of weeks into competition he feels fatigued and exhausted. But he look unreal

[Nuff Said]

Sustained elevated heart rate is like driving your car at high RPM all the time, its bad for the engine and your car is going to break down sooner than usual
Athletes actually have low resting heart rates. I know this sounds crazy but exercise is actually good for you.

Fitness and health do go hand-in-hand. You cannot be fit if you aren't healthy. It's the high risk nature of the sport that causes these well-conditioned players to become unfit, not their fitness itself.

[ISHGoat]

Athletes have good resting heart rates, I agree. And I also agree that in general, health and fitness are correlated, up to a certain point. The average joe that plays ball twice a week and lifts weights 4 times a week is much healthier than a couch potatoe.

However, the extent to which these pro athletes push their bodies far exceeds the threshold that human bodies were meant to tolerate and thus cannot reasonably be argued as healthy. If we remove factors such as steroid use, supplement use, drug use and other lifestyle habits and isolate solely the physical functions that athlete's organs are subject to, it is scary how much damage they are doing to their body over the course of a season.

And this is solely focusing on non "superficial" damage. We haven't even considerd other factors that reduce quality of life such as damage to ligaments, joints, bones, cartilege, etc...

Further, the scientific community contends that the human body is no different from any other mechanical device. We have a "fixed" number of uses available before we break down. By increasing metabolism, which in this case refers specifically to calorie intake, use, and output, life span or "uses left" is directly reduced. Our bodies are beautiful machines, and when you force them to process at greatly increased loads, you are inevitably reducing the "charges" you have left.

The car analogy remains:

Couch potatoe = a car sitting in a garage collecting dust and rust
Average "fit" person = a decently maintained car that is driven regularily
Pro athlete = modded car that gets taken to race track and hammered on daily

Tell me which car has the longest life span out of those three?

[Nuff Said]

Athletes have good resting heart rates, I agree. And I also agree that in general, health and fitness are correlated, up to a certain point. The average joe that plays ball twice a week and lifts weights 4 times a week is much healthier than a couch potatoe.

However, the extent to which these pro athletes push their bodies far exceeds the threshold that human bodies were meant to tolerate and thus cannot reasonably be argued as healthy. If we remove factors such as steroid use, supplement use, drug use and other lifestyle habits and isolate solely the physical functions that athlete's organs are subject to, it is scary how much damage they are doing to their body over the course of a season.

And this is solely focusing on non "superficial" damage. We haven't even considerd other factors that reduce quality of life such as damage to ligaments, joints, bones, cartilege, etc...

Further, the scientific community contends that the human body is no different from any other mechanical device. We have a "fixed" number of uses available before we break down. By increasing metabolism, which in this case refers specifically to calorie intake, use, and output, life span or "uses left" is directly reduced. Our bodies are beautiful machines, and when you force them to process at greatly increased loads, you are inevitably reducing the "charge" you have left.

I'm no doctor by any means, but I consider myself well read in the sports science field and the car analogy remains:

Couch potatoe = a car sitting in a garage collecting dust and rust
Average "fit" person = a decently maintained car that is driven regularily
Pro athlete = modded car that gets taken to race track and hammered on

Tell me which car has the longest life span out of those three?
That's the thing. The nature of the sport can cause the damage but not the player's fitness levels themselves. Cross fit has a defined fitness in a way that if it isn't healthy it's not fit. I will argue high intensity sports such as basketball and football definitely increase chance of injury as opposed to someone who sits on the couch all day but since the benefits outweigh the risks it is concensually accepted that exercising is better than sitting home all day being free from injury. The goal is to practice safe techniques while performing these exercises. Again I disagree that the fitter you are the less healthier you are. I've played sports majority of my life and still actively run and workout (a lot due to my military association) and when I do my physicals at the dr they always marvel about how healthy I am.

[ISHGoat]

That's the thing. The nature of the sport can cause the damage but not the player's fitness levels themselves. Cross fit has a defined fitness in a way that if it isn't healthy it's not fit. I will argue high intensity sports such as basketball and football definitely increase chance of injury as opposed to someone who sits on the couch all day but since the benefits outweigh the risks it is concensually accepted that exercising is better than sitting home all day being free from injury. The goal is to practice safe techniques while performing these exercises. Again I disagree that the fitter you are the less healthier you are. I've played sports majority of my life and still actively run and workout (a lot due to my military association) and when I do my physicals at the dr they always marvel about how healthy I am.

I am mostly agreeing with your points, but you seem to have missed mine; I am not talking about the broad effects of exercising or sport-related injuries but rather strictly about the metabolic and biological implications of being a professional athlete.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on#q=high%20metabolism%20decreased%20lifespan&safe=active&ssui=on

By the way, I am a medical doctor of the most esteemed order in my country, Africa.

[ArbitraryWater]

Add Bodybuilding, now that isn't health...

jogging, flexible, etc. = health.

[Papaya Petee]

Moses was a huge dude. I don't think many near 7 foot 300 pound guys live extremely long. Gonna use some bro science here but large dogs don't live as long as small dogs. Probably works similar in humans as well.
I don't believe it. For once I 100% agree with you.

This deserves beer :cheers:

[AirFederer]

V Span will live for a hundred years

[senelcoolidge]

Moderation. Those people that like to jog for miles, that's actually not good for you if you do that for a long period of time. Some people do this everyday or several days a week for hours for years. That goes with other athletic endeavors. Basketball if played for years and at such an intense level is not really not good for you long term. It advances degenerative phenomena. Also these are big men we are talking about. Big men don't tend to live that long especially those that work their hearts so much.

[Nuff Said]

I am mostly agreeing with your points, but you seem to have missed mine; I am not talking about the broad effects of exercising or sport-related injuries but rather strictly about the metabolic and biological implications of being a professional athlete.

https://www.google.ca/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8&safe=active&ssui=on#q=high%20metabolism%20decreased%20lifespan&safe=active&ssui=on

By the way, I am a medical doctor of the most esteemed order in my country, Africa.

Well I can't really speak on the metabolic effects but research has shown the fitter you are the less susceptible you are to diseases and cancers. I'm currently in my last year of nursing school. I don't know if you're bs'ing about the doctor thing but that's really cool.

[clipps]

Moses probably did a lot of blow, drank a lot of alcohol, and probably ****ed a lot of disgusting women. That's gonna take a lot of toll on your body regardless of how good of "shape" your in.

[ISHGoat]

Well I can't really speak on the metabolic effects but research has shown the fitter you are the less susceptible you are to diseases and cancers. I'm currently in my last year of nursing school. I don't know if you're bs'ing about the doctor thing but that's really cool.

Yes, being a doctor in my country, Africa, has its perks. For example, we basically demand exorbitant bribes for patients who want to be treated properly with the best techniques.

[20Four]

I think ur confusing fitness with athletically conditioned...

Fitness and health fo kinda go hand in hand.

When im prepping for a fight im not particularly feeling the heathiest or the fitness. But im at peak athletic state. Its almost like a short term high but it cant really be sustained for long periods.

A friend of myn is a bodybuilder and he says a couple of weeks into competition he feels fatigued and exhausted. But he look unreal
:roll:

[kshutts1]

Moses Malone's death got me thinking about this. I consider fitness and health two different areas.

Fitness -> Athletic ability
Health -> Optimal functioning of all the bodies systems

I think our society confuses these two quite often. It seems to correlate being in excellent aesthetic shape/ability to do amazing things with also being healthy.

Those random villagers in Japan that eat 1,200 calories a day + walk around all day + breathe fresh air + eat primarily vegetables and seafood are way way way way way way healthier than any professional athlete. However, their level of fitness (as defined by ability to do athletic stuff like play hoops etc) is weaksauce.

Agree or disagree? It always confuses me when people think that working out more or exercising harder is the key to them getting healthier when moderate exercise 3x a week (plus non sedentary lifestyle) is as much as you really need to do.
Fitness and Health are different, but are very closely related.

Health can/should be a result of fitness, but fitness is not always/rarely a result of health. For instance, my girlfriend is healthier than I am, but I am more fit than she.

As for the bolded, it depends upon your needs/desires. I would not be satisfied with my level of fitness, and correspondingly my health, if I was only as active as the bolded. That is certainly, in general, enough for a normal person to consider themselves healthy. But anyone with any athletic aspirations needs more than that.

[inclinerator]

it's more the height thing

[GimmeThat]

so lets say you are watching cartoon/anime
the drawing of a female, or whatever the drawing the author had intended to present, should at the same time represent the same gender of those drawings. and that's what then health would be. Fitness, may simply argue that those are just drawing of linear lines through different directions and the reader is simply allowed to interpret it differently so.

consistent fitness RESULTS may equate to health

people don't die from poor health
poor fitness results could end up deadly

yet there are those who with poor health
perform better fitness results than those that may be deemed healthier

besides the obvious stages of pre-elementary school where nutrition is highly important to the development of a child. I'd say that during elementary school, shifting the diet nutrition level properly, is equally important to puberty.

so how can we know that our fitness results equates to health?

someone who lived to 60 years old wrote a book on how not to live their life to only 50 years.

[warriorfan]

I don't believe it. For once I 100% agree with you.

This deserves beer :cheers:

Don't be surprised if it starts happening more.

:cheers:

[PHILA]

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Longtime friend of Moses Malone says hall of famer's death a shock

Monday, September 14, 2015

[I]Hall of Fame basketball player Moses Malone saw a doctor about an irregular heartbeat less than a week before he died, Malone