Is Barkley the biggest loser in NBA history?

[stalkerforlife]

"I'd rather be great than win titles as a role player."

Barkley ruined every team he went to with this mentality. He was a very good player, but he refused to step back and let the winners win. He was another stat stuffing loser that people hype up because of boxscores. Had Barkley taken a step back, he could have at least be tiered with players that couldn't win as the alpha male, but still had alpha seasons while losing. Guys like Bran and Drexler.

Barkley is a top 25 player of all time, but he'd be higher on my list had he relegated a few seasons to winning rather than looking good.

[KirbyPls]

Barkley doesn't use gofundme scams doe.

[Akrazotile]

Youre saying he should have rode the coattails of players of Shaq or Pau caliber just to achieve a certain perception??

No way. Barkley is an alpha. He's packing. Hes gonna go out and do everything he can, everyone else has to fall in line.

[Hey Yo]

"I'd rather be great than win titles as a role player."

Barkley ruined every team he went to with this mentality. He was a very good player, but he refused to step back and let the winners win. He was another stat stuffing loser that people hype up because of boxscores. Had Barkley taken a step back, he could have at least be tiered with players that couldn't win as the alpha male, but still had alpha seasons while losing. Guys like Bran and Drexler.

Barkley is a top 25 player of all time, but he'd be higher on my list had he relegated a few seasons to winning rather than looking good.
After seeing your YT video's......you're not even old enough to have seen Charles play.

[stalkerforlife]

After seeing your YT video's......you're not even old enough to have seen Charles play.

:biggums:

I'm 33.

[Fudge]

More videos, please.

[OnFire]

No but he might be the biggest hypocrite.

Chased rings every time he could, he just wasn't great enough to win any of them.

[Duffy Pratt]

For losing on the biggest stage, nobody compares to Elgin Baylor.

For squandering talent and being unable to lead a team to any success at all, Tracy McGrady is way ahead of Barkley. At least Barkley could get out of the first round.

And then there are lots of players in the same class as Barkley, but perhaps not as good as he was - Dominique, Melo, Adrian Dantley, Malone, Nash, Maravich, etc. etc.

[DonDadda59]

Don't know if he's the biggest in NBA History but the man doesn't have any hardware to show for playing with some ultra stacked teams and some of the greatest players ever throughout his career.

He was drafted by a team featuring Moses Malone and Dr. J fresh off a championship- didn't win shit.

He went on to Phoenix which was stacked to the rafters and was an offensive juggernaut- didn't win shit. But to be fair, he had the terrible misfortune like so many others of that time to be facing the GOAT at the height of his powers. Nothing you can do about that.

He went on to play with Hakeem and Drexler fresh off their championships- didn't win shit.

They replaced Drexler with Pippen fresh off his 6th sidekick ring with the Bulls- couldn't get out of the first round and the team imploded after just one season.

Certain players you can make the case that they didn't always have the best talent around them that was conducive to winning (ie, Patrick Ewing) but Charles was not one of those players. With the exception of maybe his later Sixers years, he always was surrounded by top notch talent- talent that were proven winners and champions.

He just couldn't get over the hump.

[GIF REACTION]

Kind of like when Michael Jordan was drafted onto a team with HOFer Gervin and Orlando W

Two 20PPG scorers

[DonDadda59]

Kind of like when Michael Jordan was drafted onto a team with HOFer Gervin and Orlando W

Two 20PPG scorers

Yeah except Gervin played his last season in Chicago when Jordan missed virtually the whole season with a broken foot. The Bulls went 30-52.

Oh and Jordan finished his career with 6 rings and 6 finals MVPs... so why even invoke his name?

Stick to discussing other dude's d*cks you clown. I have no idea how you haven't been permabanned yet.

[Marchesk]

Not sure what would have happened if the Bulls faced off against the Rockets in the finals, but you might say Hakeem and Drexler were lucky MJ decided to retire that first time.

Also, Shaq didn't win on a talented Orlando team or LA until Phil and post MJ. There were a lot of good players getting denied titles by the Bulls. It was similar to the Celtics in the 60s.

You guys want to bag on Wilt, but weren't Shaq's teams getting swept out of the playoffs before Phil arrived in LA?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Dwight Howard is the biggest loser in NBA history.

[sportjames23]

Yeah except Gervin played his last season in Chicago when Jordan missed virtually the whole season with a broken foot. The Bulls went 30-52.

Oh and Jordan finished his career with 6 rings and 6 finals MVPs... so why even invoke his name?

Stick to discussing other dude's d*cks you clown. I have no idea how you haven't been permabanned yet.


Do do 'em like that, bruh! :oldlol:

[GrapeApe]

There is some truth to what OP is saying, but in fairness to Barkley, he was an epic Jordan finals performance away from having a trifecta season (MVP, championship, FMVP). Much like Malone, Jordan significantly altered the perception of Barkley's career. Malone would be unquestionably top 10 all time and Barkley top 15.

[gasolina]

one small knock on Barkley was I always thought he had a bit of a Lebron in him where his game forced players around him to play a certain way (e.g. stand around while he posts up from the 3pt line). Especially during his time w/ the Rockets.

You've got 2 other HOF players on the team and you relegate them to Tristan Thompson and JR Smith duty :facepalm

Doesn't help that the Rockets won with Hakeem doing the exact same thing. Although Hakeem had better shooters/roleplayers those couple of years.

[AlphaWolf24]

There is some truth to what OP is saying, but in fairness to Barkley, he was an epic Jordan finals performance away from having a trifecta season (MVP, championship, FMVP). Much like Malone, Jordan significantly altered the perception of Barkley's career. Malone would be unquestionably top 10 all time and Barkley top 15.


Barkley's teams lost more times to the Milwaukee Bucs then he did to MJ's Bull's...

enough with the " if not for MJ excuse".....Barkley destroyed team chemistry everywhere he went.....He had much more talented teams then MJ ever had...and he still got molly whopped in the playoffs...( not only the Bulls)...

dude was getting merked by Terry Cummings.

Same with Malone....dude played 20 years and lost to everybody....yet he loses to MJ twice...and it's Jordan's fault??....what about the other 17 years?







Malone should thank Del Harris for not playing teenage Kobe much minutes.....Kobe had no time to get his rhythm going......if Kobe played more minutes and got his rhythm he wouldn't shot all those airballs and Malone wouldn't have even got to the Finals in the first place

[Young X]

Which years should he have won?

In his first 2 seasons they lost to the Celtics and Bucks who were better teams.

Then when he entered his prime, none of his Sixers teams from '87 to '92 were championship caliber teams. In '90 and '91 they had to go up against the Bulls with Jordan in the heart of his prime who averaged 43/7/7 in one of the series.

He gets traded to Phoenix and he leads them to the finals, wins MVP, only to lose to the Bulls again (Jordan averaged 40+ against them).

In '94 and '95 they did "choke" away both series to Houston. There's no way they should've lost both of both series. There's no Jordan standing in your way, you go up 2-0 in Houston in '94 and have a 3-1 lead in '95 with game 7 on your homecourt, you gotta at least win one of those series.

'96 they only win 41 games, and lose in the 1st round to the Spurs. Next season gets traded to Houston and they lose to a better Jazz team on a series winning buzzer beater by Stockton.

The 2 Houston series are the only years you can really hold against him, especially in '95. In the rest of his prime seasons he was either on non-contending teams or ran into Jordan. He was on some really good teams at times but he wasn't fortunate enough to play his entire prime with a great team like Bird or Magic.

[Smoke117]

:biggums:

I'm 33.

That just makes it worse that you admit that...since you act like you are 10.

[Smoke117]

Barkley's teams lost more times to the Milwaukee Bucs then he did to MJ's Bull's...

enough with the " if not for MJ excuse".....Barkley destroyed team chemistry everywhere he went.....He had much more talented teams then MJ ever had...and he still got molly whopped in the playoffs...( not only the Bulls)...

dude was getting merked by Terry Cummings.

Same with Malone....dude played 20 years and lost to everybody....yet he loses to MJ twice...and it's Jordan's fault??....what about the other 17 years?







Malone should thank Del Harris for not playing teenage Kobe much minutes.....Kobe had no time to get his rhythm going......if Kobe played more minutes and got his rhythm he wouldn't shot all those airballs and Malone wouldn't have even got to the Finals in the first place

Pretty sure you only posted just to make an excuse for Kobe's legendary air balls in that series. Oh and...LOL...it never ceases to amaze me how delusional you Kobe stans can be. A rookie year and 2nd year Kobe was going to change what happened to them vs the Jazz...good one. He was horrible when he was playing in both those series.

[DonDadda59]

Malone should thank Del Harris for not playing teenage Kobe much minutes.....Kobe had no time to get his rhythm going......if Kobe played more minutes and got his rhythm he wouldn't shot all those airballs and Malone wouldn't have even got to the Finals in the first place

:yaohappy:

Would've taken at least 30 games to get young Bean in rhythmn for those series.

'97: 8.8 PPG (31.6% FG, 21.1% from 3)
'98: 10 PPG (36.7% FG, 0% from 3)

C'mon Son.

[HurricaneKid]

Don't know if he's the biggest in NBA History but the man doesn't have any hardware to show for playing with some ultra stacked teams and some of the greatest players ever throughout his career.

He was drafted by a team featuring Moses Malone and Dr. J fresh off a championship- didn't win shit.

He went on to Phoenix which was stacked to the rafters and was an offensive juggernaut- didn't win shit. But to be fair, he had the terrible misfortune like so many others of that time to be facing the GOAT at the height of his powers. Nothing you can do about that.

He went on to play with Hakeem and Drexler fresh off their championships- didn't win shit.

They replaced Drexler with Pippen fresh off his 6th sidekick ring with the Bulls- couldn't get out of the first round and the team imploded after just one season.

Certain players you can make the case that they didn't always have the best talent around them that was conducive to winning (ie, Patrick Ewing) but Charles was not one of those players. With the exception of maybe his later Sixers years, he always was surrounded by top notch talent- talent that were proven winners and champions.

He just couldn't get over the hump.

This is garbage. You must be a young fella because you clearly have no idea what Barkley's career arc looked like. He openly talks about how he had no idea about how to be a pro his first two years in the league. Moses helped him become a pro but by his 3rd year Moses was gone and Dr J was in his 15th year and a shell of himself. For the next 5 years he had NO ONE. A young Hersey Hawkins was his best teammate. They lost to the Bulls twice in the playoffs during that time. And we are talking about 86-92 so he is competing against the Bird Celtics, the Bad Boy Pistons, and MJs Bulls. With essentially zero help. So he pushed his way out of Philly and landed in Pho.

His 1st year in Pho he CARRIES the Suns to the Finals. In the WCF he goes up against all-star Shawn Kemp and in G7 goes for 44/24 on .710 TS%. He gets more off boards than Kemp gets total rebounds. His Suns then lose to the MJs Bulls in the Finals.

The next year MJ goes and plays baseball for the better part of two seasons. Pho Starts Oliver Miller against Olajuwon and loses G7 at home. The following season Pho starts Joe Klein all 7 games against Dream (Wesley Person, Joe Klein, and ancient AC Green start all 7 games - STACKED??!?). And this loss is even MORE heartbreaking. They go up 3-1 and lose the series in 7, again at home. And not because of Dream. Pho outscored Hou with Dream on the floor by 7 points/100 poss. But Mario Elie, Sam Cassell and the Rockets backcourt carry the series. Houston wins G7 on the road by 1.

After that Barkley was never the same. He was never a guy to take care of himself and when he hits 33 its downhill, and pretty fast. Think of Suns Shaq. Its not even a part of his legacy. So saying he had help when he had a torn achilles and was Oliver Miller overweight is immaterial.

The truth is he was a bounce and a Mario Elie 3 from going to the Finals 3 straight times and maybe having a few titles. In the end, playing Oliver Miller and Joe Klein against Hakeem didn't get it done. Which is why saying he had so much help was so laughable.

[KungFuJoe]

If Jordan never retired the first time, Hakeem would be mentioned among the biggest losers in NBA history.

[DonDadda59]

This is garbage. You must be a young fella because you clearly have no idea what Barkley's career arc looked like. He openly talks about how he had no idea about how to be a pro his first two years in the league. Moses helped him become a pro but by his 3rd year Moses was gone and Dr J was in his 15th year and a shell of himself. For the next 5 years he had NO ONE. A young Hersey Hawkins was his best teammate. They lost to the Bulls twice in the playoffs during that time. And we are talking about 86-92 so he is competing against the Bird Celtics, the Bad Boy Pistons, and MJs Bulls. With essentially zero help. So he pushed his way out of Philly and landed in Pho.

Ok.. and? Every rookie has to adjust to the pro game. He wasn't a special case. He was drafted by a great team that was fresh off a championship. Not every rookie gets that.


His 1st year in Pho he CARRIES the Suns to the Finals. In the WCF he goes up against all-star Shawn Kemp and in G7 goes for 44/24 on .710 TS%. He gets more off boards than Kemp gets total rebounds. His Suns then lose to the MJs Bulls in the Finals.

That Phoenix team was easily more talented from top to bottom than the Bulls or really any team that season. This man Barkley felt so comfortable in the Suns winning the ring he proclaimed God personally ordained it.


The next year MJ goes and plays baseball for the better part of two seasons. Pho Starts Oliver Miller against Olajuwon and loses G7 at home. The following season Pho starts Joe Klein all 7 games against Dream (Wesley Person, Joe Klein, and ancient AC Green start all 7 games - STACKED??!?). And this loss is even MORE heartbreaking. They go up 3-1 and lose the series in 7, again at home. And not because of Dream. Pho outscored Hou with Dream on the floor by 7 points/100 poss. But Mario Elie, Sam Cassell and the Rockets backcourt carry the series. Houston wins G7 on the road by 1.

I could almost hear you playing your violin here.


After that Barkley was never the same. He was never a guy to take care of himself and when he hits 33 its downhill, and pretty fast. Think of Suns Shaq. Its not even a part of his legacy. So saying he had help when he had a torn achilles and was Oliver Miller overweight is immaterial.

And that's anyone but Barkley's fault because...


The truth is he was a bounce and a Mario Elie 3 from going to the Finals 3 straight times and maybe having a few titles. In the end, playing Oliver Miller and Joe Klein against Hakeem didn't get it done. Which is why saying he had so much help was so laughable.

And then he went to play WITH HAKEEM and Drexler when the Rockets were fresh off back to back rings. And even when they replaced Drexler with a fresh off a 6th ring Pippen... still more excuses.

[HurricaneKid]

Barkley's teams lost more times to the Milwaukee Bucs then he did to MJ's Bull's...

Malone should thank Del Harris for not playing teenage Kobe much minutes.....Kobe had no time to get his rhythm going......if Kobe played more minutes and got his rhythm he wouldn't shot all those airballs and Malone wouldn't have even got to the Finals in the first place

He never lost to the Bucks during his prime. And he lost to MJ 3 times (once in the Finals).

But if you are making excuses for the Kobe airballs when he was shooting 30% I don't know why I even bother...

[HurricaneKid]

Ok.. and? Every rookie has to adjust to the pro game. He wasn't a special case. He was drafted by a great team that was fresh off a championship. Not every rookie gets that.



That Phoenix team was easily more talented from top to bottom than the Bulls or really any team that season. This man Barkley felt so comfortable in the Suns winning the ring he proclaimed God personally ordained it.



I could almost hear you playing your violin here.



And that's anyone but Barkley's fault because...



And then he went to play WITH HAKEEM and Drexler when the Rockets were fresh off back to back rings. And even when they replaced Drexler with a fresh off a 6th ring Pippen... still more excuses.

First off, the prior year the 76ers lost IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS.

Secondly, rookies back then didn't contribute. Certainly not on Championship level teams. And Barkley was no exception. He was a decent 3rd/4th option. Do you blame JR Smith/Mozgov when the Cavs lose too?

That Pho team was great offensively but it was far less so on the other side of the ball. And you can hardly blame Barkley for MJ destroying them for 41/9/6. Dumas/Chambers/Ainge/KJ were just no match for MJ and Scottie. And BJ did a yeomans job on KJ. I actually just watched the triple overtime game a few nights ago. Barkley was GREAT in that series 27/13/6. The other 4 starters were Majerle, KJ, Mark West, and Dumas. Danny Ainge led the team in min off the bench in the Finals and that is FAR from a great supporting cast.

The point was that it was a thin line between all time great and choker. If Elie misses that 3 Pho wins. And I'm pretty sure they beat NYK.

Lastly, the Rockets got SWEPT in the second round the year before he went there. They were WELL REMOVED from the core they had for the title. Kenny Smith and Sam Cassell were gone. Matt Maloney started 82 games at PG that first year AS A ROOKIE. Horry was gone as well. The second year they were just awful. The two players that led the team in starts were 15 yr vet Kevin Willis and 2nd year player Matt Maloney. He was well done by then. And Scottie didn't join until the next year. that was 1999. So you are blaming him for 1983 AND 1999. GTFO with that.

But the names were great I suppose. Do you blame 3rd year Vince Carter for not winning with Olajuwon a year later?

[dazzer87]

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2014/06/23/sports/carmelo/carmelo-master675.jpg

[Spurs m8]

Posting in Karl Malone thread

[Smoke117]

First off, the prior year the 76ers lost IN THE FIRST ROUND OF THE PLAYOFFS.

Secondly, rookies back then didn't contribute. Certainly not on Championship level teams. And Barkley was no exception. He was a decent 3rd/4th option. Do you blame JR Smith/Mozgov when the Cavs lose too?

That Pho team was great offensively but it was far less so on the other side of the ball. And you can hardly blame Barkley for MJ destroying them for 41/9/6. Dumas/Chambers/Ainge/KJ were just no match for MJ and Scottie. And BJ did a yeomans job on KJ. I actually just watched the triple overtime game a few nights ago. Barkley was GREAT in that series 27/13/6. The other 4 starters were Majerle, KJ, Mark West, and Dumas. Danny Ainge led the team in min off the bench in the Finals and that is FAR from a great supporting cast.

The point was that it was a thin line between all time great and choker. If Elie misses that 3 Pho wins. And I'm pretty sure they beat NYK.

Lastly, the Rockets got SWEPT in the second round the year before he went there. They were WELL REMOVED from the core they had for the title. Kenny Smith and Sam Cassell were gone. Matt Maloney started 82 games at PG that first year AS A ROOKIE. Horry was gone as well. The second year they were just awful. The two players that led the team in starts were 15 yr vet Kevin Willis and 2nd year player Matt Maloney. He was well done by then. And Scottie didn't join until the next year. that was 1999. So you are blaming him for 1983 AND 1999. GTFO with that.

But the names were great I suppose. Do you blame 3rd year Vince Carter for not winning with Olajuwon a year later?

There really isn't anyone to blame in 99...all three were past their primes and old. More importantly they just didn't have any chemistry. You can throw anyone together on a team, but if they don't have any chemistry it's not going to matter. Scottie in particular felt he didn't sign up for this...he was annoyed that the offense revolved around throwing it into an old Hakeem and Barley and he had so few opportunities to create offense. The triangle offense revolves around passing and movement, so it's not surprising he found this annoying. He was obviously much happier on the Blazers and their equal opportunity team offense.

[AirFederer]

Biggest loser wtf?
He might not be the biggest winner but he's not a loser at all. No shame in getting ring rejected by MJ. Sure he could be lazy, not interested in defence and not taking care if his body but come on! One of the grestest players of the 90s!

[kshutts1]

The point was that it was a thin line between all time great and choker. If Elie misses that 3 Pho wins. And I'm pretty sure they beat NYK.
It's stuff like the bolded why I can never call someone a "loser" or a "choker". It's a team game. Why hold one person accountable when others can't get it done?

Not to mention... does one minor change really change our entire perception of a player's career? It shouldn't. But sadly, it does.

[Nuff Said]

The difference between a championship and no championship is huge so yeah a minor thing like a missed shot can be a big deal. One ring propelled dirk back up the ranks after fail after fail. One ring also put wade up some ranks while without that 06 ring he'd be talked about like Melo. I'm sure if AI ever got one he'd be hailed as top 15

[kshutts1]

The difference between a championship and no championship is huge so yeah a minor thing like a missed shot can be a big deal. One ring propelled dirk back up the ranks after fail after fail. One ring also put wade up some ranks while without that 06 ring he'd be talked about like Melo. I'm sure if AI ever got one he'd be hailed as top 15
I'm not saying it's not reality, I'm saying it's flawed thinking.

A "loser" would be someone that underperforms, continually, in the playoffs. And the rest of the team stays on par. And the team loses because of said "underperform".

McGrady? Not a loser. He upped his play in the post-season. Not his fault he had a bad team.
Malone? Not a loser. Stats got worse, but not by a lot. He's still awesome.
Barkley? Not a loser. Dude was a monster. Just had other situations happen.
Dirk? Any real fan knew he was awesome before that run. Same with Wade.

This is not to say that the first three guys listed above were the best teammates, or are better than their GOAT-tier counterparts, but they all get unfair judgement, where in the regular season, we place the numbers of the individual on equal footing as the wins of the team, but come playoffs? We only care about the wins of the team, and not how the numbers of those individuals may, or may not have, changed.

[LAZERUSS]

It's stuff like the bolded why I can never call someone a "loser" or a "choker". It's a team game. Why hold one person accountable when others can't get it done?

Not to mention... does one minor change really change our entire perception of a player's career? It shouldn't. But sadly, it does.

You are too intelligent for this forum.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[Smoke117]

You are too intelligent for this forum.

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Yes...it especially annoys me when these morons say Jordan vs a team...because he did it all alone with no help. This isn't a 5 on 5 game or anything. He did it alone...ugh.

[LAZERUSS]

Yes...it especially annoys me when these morons say Jordan vs a team...because he did it all alone with no help. This isn't a 5 on 5 game or anything. He did it alone...ugh.

Exactly. We saw what MJ did with poor surrounding casts. While he played great, they went 1-9 in playoff games. And even with solid supporting casts, his TEAMs still did not win a title until the Bad Boys and Lakers crumbled in '91.

How good were MJ's surrounding rosters in his title runs? They were a 55-27 team that came within an eyelash of playing in the ECF's, and might have beaten the eventual champion Rockets, without him.

[sportjames23]

Exactly. We saw what MJ did with poor surrounding casts. While he played great, they went 1-9 in playoff games. And even with solid supporting casts, his TEAMs still did not win a title until the Bad Boys and Lakers crumbled in '91.

How good were MJ's surrounding rosters in his title runs? They were a 55-27 team that came within an eyelash of playing in the ECF's, and might have beaten the eventual champion Rockets, without him.


And yet, they were on the verge of missing the playoffs the year he came back (1995). The only difference was Horace Grant leaving the team in the previous off-season for Orlando.

[LAZERUSS]

And yet, they were on the verge of missing the playoffs the year he came back (1995). The only difference was Horace Grant leaving the team in the previous off-season for Orlando.

The ONLY difference?

Think about that. Without BOTH MJ and Grant...Pippen led the Bulls to a 34-31 record.

Now, think about this. MJ without Pippen and Grant... never had a winning record.

[Megabox!]

It's stuff like the bolded why I can never call someone a "loser" or a "choker". It's a team game. Why hold one person accountable when others can't get it done?

Not to mention... does one minor change really change our entire perception of a player's career? It shouldn't. But sadly, it does.
Because people are morons and media has been drilling it into people's heads that there has to be "the guy" on every team and everything has to fall on his shoulders.

[Smoke117]

And yet, they were on the verge of missing the playoffs the year he came back (1995). The only difference was Horace Grant leaving the team in the previous off-season for Orlando.

...you're an idiot and every post you make is worthless. Jordan was the best player in the world and the Bulls lost him in 94...Horace grant was the 3rd best player during the threepeat and he left in 95. The bulls dealt with all kinds of injuries in that 95 season and Scottie still had them over .500 when Jordan returned. They had also won 8 out of their last 10 games...Jordan didn't turn anything around. The Bulls were already finding their footing in general.

[Lebron23]

...you're an idiot and every post you make is worthless. Jordan was the best player in the world and the Bulls lost him in 94...Horace grant was the 3rd best player during the threepeat and he left in 95. The bulls dealt with all kinds of injuries in that 95 season and Scottie still had them over .500 when Jordan returned. They had also won 8 out of their last 10 games...Jordan didn't turn anything around. The Bulls were already finding their footing in general.


:pimp: :pimp: :pimp:

[sportjames23]

...you're an idiot and every post you make is worthless. Jordan was the best player in the world and the Bulls lost him in 94...Horace grant was the 3rd best player during the threepeat and he left in 95. The bulls dealt with all kinds of injuries in that 95 season and Scottie still had them over .500 when Jordan returned. They had also won 8 out of their last 10 games...Jordan didn't turn anything around. The Bulls were already finding their footing in general.


Bitch, eat shit and die.

The Bulls weren't finding shit, asshole. When MJ came back, they went 17-4 and made the playoffs. Don't try to re-write history, phaggit.

[aj1987]

Bitch, eat shit and die.

The Bulls weren't finding shit, asshole. When MJ came back, they went 17-4 and made the playoffs. Don't try to re-write history, phaggit.
Damn! Someone's cranky, 'cause they didn't get their daily does of MJ's D. :oldlol:

Bumping the thread for Round Mound.

[West-Side]

Don't know if he's the biggest in NBA History but the man doesn't have any hardware to show for playing with some ultra stacked teams and some of the greatest players ever throughout his career.

He was drafted by a team featuring Moses Malone and Dr. J fresh off a championship- didn't win shit.

He went on to Phoenix which was stacked to the rafters and was an offensive juggernaut- didn't win shit. But to be fair, he had the terrible misfortune like so many others of that time to be facing the GOAT at the height of his powers. Nothing you can do about that.

He went on to play with Hakeem and Drexler fresh off their championships- didn't win shit.

They replaced Drexler with Pippen fresh off his 6th sidekick ring with the Bulls- couldn't get out of the first round and the team imploded after just one season.

Certain players you can make the case that they didn't always have the best talent around them that was conducive to winning (ie, Patrick Ewing) but Charles was not one of those players. With the exception of maybe his later Sixers years, he always was surrounded by top notch talent- talent that were proven winners and champions.

He just couldn't get over the hump.

Yeah, plus Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, BJ Armstrong, Tony Kokuc, Ron Harper, Dennis Rodman. :oldlol:

What a joke you are.
Wipe your chin already, you've been slurping MJ's **** far too often.
He's the GOAT but quit refering to him as if he did it all by himself.
Guy was a LOSER without those guys I mentioned.

It's a team game; Barkley didn't win shit because of a STACKED Bulls team for a decade. The same team that won 55 games without Jordan and had 3 all-stars.

[lucky001]

Who lead the suns in scoring against the Rockets in the 94 playoffs? Who was the suns leader? Who put Hakeem on an epic poster. It wasn't chuck.

This was rockets without Drexler, just role players and rookies and a top ten goat. Very beatable in theory for the chuckster in his prime. He came up short.

There's only so far a team can go with a defense averse, ball dominating, bad 3 jacking player in a major role.

[stalkerforlife]

Who lead the suns in scoring against the Rockets in the 94 playoffs? Who was the suns leader? Who put Hakeem on an epic poster. It wasn't chuck.

This was rockets without Drexler, just role players and rookies and a top ten goat. Very beatable in theory for the chuckster in his prime. He came up short.

There's only so far a team can go with a defense averse, ball dominating, bad 3 jacking player in a major role.

https://media.giphy.com/media/ZT38wRsbVTWtq/giphy.gif