How good will the 2015-2016 Lakers be?

[SwayDizzle]

With the valiant god returning to lead his talented group of youngsters, I say WCF at worst.

[Xiao Yao You]

If Kobe goes down again they might be competitive.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Top 16 in the West fa sho!

Sky's the limit!

[JT123]

If Kobe goes down again they might be competitive.
This. As long as cancerbe is on the floor, my Lakers will be AWFUL
Take a look at his contributions last season

[B]Kobe ranks among the worst players in the league this season in a number of categories:

[BlackWhiteGreen]

32-50

[TheMarkMadsen]

over or under 12 threads per day from Kobe/Laker haters this year..

[WayOfWade]

Better than Last years Lakers, but not as good as the '14 Lakers. In other words, they'll suck

[Smoke117]

over or under 12 threads per day from Kobe/Laker haters this year..

And yet you have to post in EVERY SINGLE ONE. Oh and "laker haters"...lol. No one cares about the lakers enough to hate them anymore...nor do we consider you kobe stans to even be true laker fans.





On a thread note...I'm curious if Kobe will take a step back or he will be the same guy he was last year. (you know...taking 18 foot turn arounds with two or three guys in his face) This is more a question about his ego more than anything. The Lakers have no chance of making the playoffs, period. He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. I'm curious to see if he will put his team or his ego first because it's obviously better for the Lakers to have the young guys much involved and developing. I actually hope he stays the same kobe as he was last season...get that missed shot record to a point where no one will ever surpass it.

[Akrazotile]

As mentioned, it all depends on Kobe's health.

Without him, this team doesnt stand a chance at a top 5 pick. With him in the lineup, theyre probably firing coaches and picking first.

Which in a way is a good thing. You could argue they oughtta extend him for another couple of years.

[Levity]

with Kobe healthy and returning, and Russel and Randle getting to show what they got on the court, i can easily see this team as a top 2 talked about team on this forum

and anyone who disagrees is a blind hater with no knowledge of the game.

[Naero]

If Kobe goes down again they might be competitive.


This. As long as cancerbe is on the floor, my Lakers will be AWFUL
Take a look at his contributions last season

Kobe ranks among the worst players in the league this season in a number of categories:

• 124th in field goal percentage (third-worst among qualified players)

• 103rd in 3-point percentage (fifth-worst)

• 74th in player efficiency rating

• 361st in win shares

Kobe's 0.1 win shares are the fewest of the 73 players to play at least 1,200 minutes this season.
:rant

2014-15 Lakers record:
Without Kobe: 11-36 (23.4% winning percentage).
With Kobe: 10-25 (28.5% winning percentage).

Their with- and without-Kobe win-loss compilations substantiate that they played worse without Kobe—in by far the most inefficient season of his career as well, I might add. Considering how sizeable these record splits are in their game totals, the Lakers had more than enough games to prove they can play "competitively" without the 36-year-old, injury-decimated Kobe if they were able to seize those strides at all. :rolleyes:

On-topic:

It would be the Cinderella story of the year for the Lakers to even flirt with playoff-seeding. For yet another off-season, the most underscored improvements to the Lakers' lottery-contention roster comprise of reclamation projects—but I'll take Roy Hibbert over both Jeremy Lin and Carlos Boozer for his defensive upside, at least—and another batch of draftees.

Moreover, the man at the helm (Byron Scott) may have been given a pass due to having a paucity of talent to work with; but even with bottom-most-tier rosters, you need to evaluatingly how much the coach is overachieving or underachieving with the roster, and results point towards the latter so far. After all, this is the same coach that Mike Brown—his successor to head-coaching the Cavaliers—compiled a better winning record with after inheriting virtually the same team Scott coached the previous season—except for the addition of draft-bust Anthony Bennett. :rolleyes:

The only player fully developed, experienced and masterful enough to be be the definitive team-leader—an unequivocal distinction that every championship-contender has historically had—is Kobe Bryant, and he does not have the health or playing style to be efficient enough as the team's main shot-taker. I expect his efficience to improve because Scott won't mismanage his minutes as badly this season, and also because he was increasingly inclined to playing a Magic Johnson-mode role just before he was injuriously sidelined (notched a career-high 17 assists in his second-last game, iirc); but he simply can no longer have the onerous usage rate needed to lead this team in the playoffs, regardless of his personal effectivity in that limited usage.

They will overachieve against outmatching teams at some point, as they have a glut of talented rookies and sophomores that simply aren't seasoned enough to make the adjustments needed to produce well consistently; but in a league that predicates consistence around success, they simply lack the fully developed talent and competent coaching staff to compete consistently—especially in a Western Conference that co-tenants stacked and well-coached teams wherein at least 6-7 teams are surefire lock-ins for the playoffs.

33 wins is my ceiling for this team.

[Smoke117]

2014-15 Lakers record:
Without Kobe: 11-36 (23.4% winning percentage).
With Kobe: 10-25 (28.5% winning percentage).

Their with- and without-Kobe win-loss compilations substantiate that they played worse without Kobe—in by far the most inefficient season of his career as well, I might add. Considering how sizeable these record splits are in their game totals, the Lakers had more than enough games to prove they can play "competitively" without the 36-year-old, injury-decimated Kobe if they were able to seize those strides at all. :rolleyes:

On-topic:

It would be the Cinderella story of the year for the Lakers to even flirt with playoff-seeding. For yet another off-season, the most underscored improvements to the Lakers' lottery-contention roster comprise of reclamation projects—but I'll take Roy Hibbert over both Jeremy Lin and Carlos Boozer for his defensive upside, at least—and another batch of draftees.

Moreover, the man at the helm (Byron Scott) may have been given a pass due to having a paucity of talent to work with; but even with bottom-most-tier rosters, you need to evaluatingly how much the coach is overachieving or underachieving with the roster, and results point towards the latter so far. After all, this is the same coach that Mike Brown—his successor to head-coaching the Cavaliers—compiled a better winning record with after inheriting virtually the same team Scott coached the previous season—except for the addition of draft-bust Anthony Bennett. :rolleyes:

They will overachieve against outmatching teams at some point, as they have a glut of talented rookies and sophomores that simply aren't seasoned enough to make the adjustments needed to produce well consistently; but in a league that predicates consistence around success, they simply lack the fully developed talent and competent coaching staff to compete consistently—especially in a Western Conference that co-tenants stacked and well-coached teams wherein at least 6-7 teams are surefire lock-ins for the playoffs.

33 wins is my ceiling for this team.

Byron Scotts main problem is that he's a kobe stan. He's basically happy letting him do whatever he pleases. This leads me to believe that Jason Kidd was the true coach of those nets teams.

[Asukal]

They are going to be shit as usual. :roll:

[Vaniiiia]

If Kobe stays healthy they'll be a bottom 3 team in the league.

If Kobe gets hurt again, they have a shot at making the playoffs.

As mentioned above, Kobes health is paramount.

[Spurs m8]

Not very good at all tbh
12th in West is best case scenario

[Smoke117]

If Kobe stays healthy they'll be a bottom 3 team in the league.

If Kobe gets hurt again, they have a shot at making the playoffs.

As mentioned above, Kobes health is paramount.

Whosever alt you are...you are not helping anything. All you are doing is giving the kobe stan martyrs reason to say how everyone just hates kobe and always brings him up. People like you need to go away as much as they do. You are both equally clowns.

[Naero]

Byron Scotts main problem is that he's a kobe stan. He's basically happy letting him do whatever he pleases. This leads me to believe that Jason Kidd was the true coach of those nets teams.

His teams' success has always been more attributable to his superstar Point Guards than it has been. It's possible for superstars to efface a coach's deficiencies in the regular season, but it comes back to bite them in the playoffs when coaches become more influential determinants to series-wide adjustments

[Vaniiiia]

Whosever alt you are...you are not helping anything. All you are doing is giving the kobe stan martyrs reason to say how everyone just hates kobe and always brings him up. People like you need to go away as much as they do. You are both equally clowns.
Cool story dude.

I'll post whatever and whenever I want though ***.

[Smoke117]

Cool story dude.

I'll post whatever and whenever I want though ***.


You most have taken great satisfaction in this post too...lol.

[G0ATbe]

If Kobe's 100% healthy (and back to 2013 form at least) we're already playoff bound with a good shot at a championship.

[Naero]

If Kobe's 100% healthy (and back to 2013 form at least) we're already playoff bound with a good shot at a championship.

And this reply has compelled me to finally bookmark this thread.

[Vaniiiia]

You most have taken great satisfaction in this post too...lol.
For sure man.

I take great satisfaction in reminding you that your opinion means nothing to me, at all.

You're worried about what kobe stans are and aren't saying on a message board? You seem like a real winner. :oldlol:

[Spurs m8]

If Kobe's 100% healthy (and back to 2013 form at least) we're already playoff bound with a good shot at a championship.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

And yet you have to post in EVERY SINGLE ONE. Oh and "laker haters"...lol. No one cares about the lakers enough to hate them anymore...nor do we consider you kobe stans to even be true laker fans.





On a thread note...I'm curious if Kobe will take a step back or he will be the same guy he was last year. (you know...taking 18 foot turn arounds with two or three guys in his face) This is more a question about his ego more than anything. The Lakers have no chance of making the playoffs, period. He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. I'm curious to see if he will put his team or his ego first because it's obviously better for the Lakers to have the young guys much involved and developing. I actually hope he stays the same kobe as he was last season...get that missed shot record to a point where no one will ever surpass it.

already hitting the bottle :oldlol:

i'm a lakers fan, so I have an excuses for posting in Laker related threads...

yet you're in every single laker/Kobe thread.. what's your excuse..?? you're an obsessed hater who focuses majority of his time energy on ISH to hating on a single player..

:oldlol:

[JT123]

For sure man.

I take great satisfaction in reminding you that your opinion means nothing to me, at all.

You're worried about what kobe stans are and aren't saying on a message board? You seem like a real winner. :oldlol:
:roll:

[Smoke117]

already hitting the bottle :oldlol:

i'm a lakers fan, so I have an excuses for posting in Laker related threads...

yet you're in every single laker/Kobe thread.. what's your excuse..?? you're an obsessed hater who focuses majority of his time energy on ISH to hating on a single player..

:oldlol:

Except...you aren't a real laker fan...and I don't. I've never seen you post in anything about the lakers or basketball in general that didn't involve Kobe. I also regularly stop posting in this board for a day or two...so yeah, I don't respond to every kobe thread. Because I"m active today that means I do? You are here every day defending your precious kobe bryant. I'm here today...so I'm speaking my mind. That's not even close to the same...but why would I think I could rationalize with a kobe stan? That's like walking into a tiger and asking him not to kill and devour you. Yes...you and your kin are really that absurd.

Whether I'm drinking or not isn't really an issue. If I was actually shit faced and beyond reasoning you'd know it by my typing. I just find you tiresome and wearisome. The fact that I want you to know what a joke you are has nothing to do with my issues.

[Jameerthefear]

They'll be the 12th seed

[TheMarkMadsen]

Except...you aren't a real laker fan...and I don't. I've never seen you post in anything about the lakers or basketball in general that didn't involve Kobe. I also regularly stop posting in this board for a day or two...so yeah, I don't respond to every kobe thread. Because I"m active today that means I do? You are here every day defending your precious kobe bryant. I'm here today...so I'm speaking my mind. That's not even close to the same...but why would I think I could rationalize with a kobe stan? That's like walking into a tiger and asking him not to kill and devour you. Yes...you and your kin are really that absurd.

Whether I'm drinking or not isn't really an issue. If I was actually shit faced and beyond reasoning you'd know it by my typing. I just find you tiresome and wearisome. The fact that I want you to know what a joke you are has nothing to do with my issues.

type some more paragraphs please you alcoholic loser, you seem like you got some serious problems.. look how much you're letting my opinions on basketball get you mad.. i haven't even mentioned you in any post yet you follow me around, randomly typing my name in post that have nothing to do with me..

mad as hell as always :lol :lol

[AnaheimLakers24]

8th seed baby

[L8krH8tr]

Lakers are a joke, so glad they are done for. no more fake bought championships. The hollywood fake glamour trail is done, all you will see is people with their heads down at the staples center on their cell phones acting like they're cool. In people i mean mexicans, asians, and the usual Dodger/Laker/Raider scum.

[Smoke117]

type some more paragraphs please you alcoholic loser

mad as hell as always :lol :lol

And now we meet the true troll...who has nothing to say so he has to pathetically try to make assertions that i'm "mad" or "upset". This is just pathetic...even for you. Come on...you can be more clever than this can't you? I almost feel bad that I"m picking on you now if this is all you can come back with.

You realize when you have to attack someone personally that, that just makes you pathetic, right? You are trying to attack me and my life on a basketball forum because you have nothing to respond to me as fits this forum. You have literally gone out of your way to attack me on a personal level because you can't say anything that pertains to basketball. I'm not sure why I should feel bad about your responses. I just feel sorry for you that you have to take personal attacks at me to make yourself feel superior. I've never said I was some great man...but I don't go out of my way to take shots at people and their personal lives on a forum...

[AnaheimLakers24]

Except...you aren't a real laker fan...and I don't. I've never seen you post in anything about the lakers or basketball in general that didn't involve Kobe. I also regularly stop posting in this board for a day or two...so yeah, I don't respond to every kobe thread. Because I"m active today that means I do? You are here every day defending your precious kobe bryant. I'm here today...so I'm speaking my mind. That's not even close to the same...but why would I think I could rationalize with a kobe stan? That's like walking into a tiger and asking him not to kill and devour you. Yes...you and your kin are really that absurd.

Whether I'm drinking or not isn't really an issue. If I was actually shit faced and beyond reasoning you'd know it by my typing. I just find you tiresome and wearisome. The fact that I want you to know what a joke you are has nothing to do with my issues.
Meltdown

[TheMarkMadsen]

And now we meet the true troll...who has nothing to say so he has to pathetically try to make assertions that i'm "mad" or "upset". This is just pathetic...even for you. Come on...you can be more clever than this can't you? I almost feel bad that I"m picking on you now if this is all you can come back with.

did you read your last post..?

what the hell was there to respond to with that :roll:

you're just drunk and angry typing a bunch of nonsense, I really don't care about your metaphors of lions and tigers, telling me i'm not a real lakers fan. :oldlol:

i don't care what you thing buddy, regardless of how many times you try to get my attention..

all your post are "i hate Kobe grrrrr his stans suck".. you just called out Vanaiii in another thread because you thought his post would attract too many Kobe stans.. you are a pathetic and obsessed with anonymous people that you'll never meet..

[Legends66NBA7]

Eh, they are going to bad even if Kobe can turn back the clock.

[Smoke117]

did you read your last post..?

what the hell was there to respond to with that :roll:

you're just drunk and angry typing a bunch of nonsense, I really don't care about your metaphors of lions and tigers, telling me i'm not a real lakers fan. :oldlol:

i don't care what you thing buddy, regardless of how many times you try to get my attention..

all your post are "i hate Kobe grrrrr his stans suck".. you just called out Vanaiii in another thread because you thought his post would attract too many Kobe stans.. you are a pathetic and obsessed with anonymous people that you'll never meet..

You realize that in the face of a rational discussion you just want to tell me "you're drunk" right? You have literally taken the low road instead of the high in every remark you have stated. You have told yourself and made it clear you think you are superior because I have a drinking problem. You know what? I thought I was an asshole...you have clearly showed me that I have much work to do to attain that status.

[ArbitraryWater]

Madsen, you went on here telling aj that its so typical he only rambles, is rude, etc. and now you go around insulting people on a drinking problem..."alcoholic loser" :facepalm

as two faced and bitch made as they come.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You realize that in the face of a rational discussion you just want to tell me "you're drunk" right? You have literally taken the low road instead of the high in every remark you have stated. You have told yourself and made it clear you think you are superior because I have a drinking problem. You know what? I thought I was an asshole...you have clearly showed me that I have much work to do to attain that status.

you call this a rational discussion..


And yet you have to post in EVERY SINGLE ONE. Oh and "laker haters"...lol. No one cares about the lakers enough to hate them anymore...nor do we consider you kobe stans to even be true laker fans.



On a thread note...I'm curious if Kobe will take a step back or he will be the same guy he was last year. (you know...taking 18 foot turn arounds with two or three guys in his face) This is more a question about his ego more than anything. The Lakers have no chance of making the playoffs, period. He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. I'm curious to see if he will put his team or his ego first because it's obviously better for the Lakers to have the young guys much involved and developing. I actually hope he stays the same kobe as he was last season...get that missed shot record to a point where no one will ever surpass it.

that was your response to this..


over or under 12 threads per day from Kobe/Laker haters this year..

there's nothing rational about that.. you jumped on my ass for noooo reason and then just gave the usual i hate kobe routine..

[TheMarkMadsen]

Madsen, you went on here telling aj that its so typical he only rambles, is rude, etc. and now you go around insulting people on a drinking problem..."alcoholic loser" :facepalm

as two faced and bitch made as they come.

smoke follows me around wherever I go.. i'm tired of this dude responding to everything I say even when it has absolutly nothing to do with him..

you think that I really thought he had a drinking problem? I just make an assumption since he's always posting these long ass rants at random ass time on ISH and they're usually directed towards me or have something to do with how bad Kobe sucks..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

and why don't you just shut the hell up, do you really need to follow us through multiple threads trying to play mediator.. i'm pretty sure he and I can talk about this ourselves..

[Smoke117]

You are right, I don't like you, mark. Though...did I attack you on a personal level? I attacked you on your post which in my opinion are garbage. I didn't attack you on a personal level. You had nothing to say about basketball and had to go there. That's on you and your issues, not mine. I have never once taken the time to take a personal attack at you...you have done that at least half a dozen times in this thread alone. That's on you and your issues, not me.

[Smoke117]

smoke follows me around wherever I go.. i'm tired of this dude responding to everything I say even when it has absolutly nothing to do with him..

you think that I really thought he had a drinking problem? I just make an assumption since he's always posting these long ass rants at random ass time on ISH and they're usually directed towards me or have something to do with how bad Kobe sucks..

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

and why don't you just shut the hell up, do you really need to follow us through multiple threads trying to play mediator.. i'm pretty sure he and I can talk about this ourselves..


Except I don't...today I felt my tongue was loose and...yes, I dont like you, so I went out of my way to remark to you...but that does not mean i follow you around, clown. It just means I was active on the board today and read your bullshit and didn't like it. Do you really think this highly of yourself on a (shitty) basketball forum to think you are so important? *chuckle) Reality really needs to smack you in the face if you do.

I'm almost positive you can't be older than 19...only a teenager could be so arrogant.

[TheMarkMadsen]

You are right, I don't like you, mark. Though...did I attack you on a personal level? I attacked you on your post which in my opinion are garbage. I didn't attack you on a personal level. You had nothing to say about basketball and had to go there. That's on you and your issues, not mine. I have never once taken the time to take a personal attack at you...you have done that at least half a dozen times in this thread alone. That's on you and your issues, not me.

you are right i am attacking you on a personal level because i want you to back the hell off

do you not realize that you responded to 4 of my post within ten minutes and all you did was attack me as a poster.. shit is annoying as hell dude

here are my post and what you initially responded with


over or under 12 threads per day from Kobe/Laker haters this year..


And yet you have to post in EVERY SINGLE ONE. Oh and "laker haters"...lol. No one cares about the lakers enough to hate them anymore...nor do we consider you kobe stans to even be true laker fans.





On a thread note...I'm curious if Kobe will take a step back or he will be the same guy he was last year. (you know...taking 18 foot turn arounds with two or three guys in his face) This is more a question about his ego more than anything. The Lakers have no chance of making the playoffs, period. He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. I'm curious to see if he will put his team or his ego first because it's obviously better for the Lakers to have the young guys much involved and developing. I actually hope he stays the same kobe as he was last season...get that missed shot record to a point where no one will ever surpass it.


:biggums: :biggums:

where did you get those FG% numbers for Pau.. his career playoff high if 58% in 09..

and Bosh's FG% looks high as well




I'd love to know how Pau has "average" defense but Kobe is considered a great defensive player? Pau has a much better drating, much higher defensive win shares than kobe and SURPRISE...I've actually seen them play. It's hilarious how these kobe morons call Pau sogy while he was being the most important defensive player on both championship teams because of his length alone. It wasn't like he lacked effort either...maybe he wasn't as strong as others, but he tried and because of his length he was an immense trouble to offensive players. It's hilarious how these kobe stans actually think kobe was even the top 3 defensive player on those championships teams. I guess if you have clowns like marky marky posting so much shit enough you start to believe it.

you brought me up and I wasn't even talking to you.. i was asking some dude where he got his numbers.. and I actually tried responding to you to talk ball after acknowledging that this was like the 4th post of mine you were attacking..


:lol

this guy is obsessed and always so angry :oldlol:

btw guy, d rating for individual players means absolutly nothing, it wasn't made to be used for individual players,, Pippen and Dirk have like the same d rating.. shows how much that means..


so why is it that when i actually try to have a discussion with you, instead of talking ball you go into the other thread and begin typing long rants directed towards me :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Smoke117]

I'm on your nuts...yet you went out of your way to quote me from a post that has nothing to with this thread. Do they have mirrors where you are from...because you could really do with some self evaluation. You want to know the saddest part? I literally only put "marky marky" on there just because i knew that you would bite that as the bait it is...that's how pathetic you stans are you. I just find it humorous now...lol. You really do believe what you say about kobe to the point you can't realize when you are being made the but of the joke...I dunno whether to find that charming or pathetic.

I'm literally saying shit just to get a rise out of you "while being a drunk incapable of reasoning." You shouldn't run your mouth about people you know nothing about. I've literally thrown out a piece of yarn at you like you were a kitten. Have some respect about how you treat people and maybe they won't play with you like you are pet.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I'm on your nuts...yet you went out of your way to quote me from post that has nothing to with this thread. Do they have mirrors where you are from...because you could really do with some self evaluation. You want to know the saddest part? I literally only put "marky marky" on there just because i knew that as the bait you would grab...that's how pathetic you stans are you. I just find it humorous now...lol. You really do believe what you say about kobe to the point you can't realize when you are being made the but of the joke...I dunno whether to find that charming or pathetic.



I literally only put "marky marky" on there just because i knew that as the bait you would grab...

ok you just admitted that you put my name in a post so that I would respond..



I'm on your nuts...yet you went out of your way to quote me from post that has nothing to with this thread.

so YES YOU ARE ON MY NUTS.. i quoted those post in here to show you that I wasn't even talking to you either time and then you just came out of nowhere with your shit..



You really do believe what you say about kobe

what is the point of this when all of these post of mine that you responded to today have had nothing to do with Kobe.. like literally zero.. it was lakers and then Pau's FG%..

[TheMarkMadsen]

i'm glad you needed to go edit your post to throw in your cute little pet analogy.. must have felt like that was really important..

and you've yet to answer my question..

why did you not respond to my post that was clearly trying to talk ball..

because you have no interest in that, you'd rather come into this thread and do this bullshit..

you tell me that I don't want to discuss basketball.. BUT THE ONLY POST OF MINE YOU DIDN"T RESPOND TO IS THE POST I WAS TRYING TO TALK BASKETBALL WITH YOU..

[TheMarkMadsen]

look man, if you honestly have problems with alcohol then i apologize for bringing it up. Hopefully that is something you can get worked out and eventually recover from, and i mean that.

but if every post of yours is going to be "kobe stan this, kobe stan that, lakers suck" then you should just stop commenting on my post because its hard to take that seriously.

[Smoke117]

I only edit my post because i'm a writer and I hate reading myself say shit that is meh. I only edit myself becuase i thought of stuff later and as a writer I want to have put forth the best written remark. It has nothing to do with you...I know that is hard to believe, but yes, nobody cares about you.

[TheMarkMadsen]

I only edit my post because i'm a writer and I hate reading myself say shit that is meh. I only edit myself becuase i thought of stuff later and as a writer I want to have put forth the best written remark. It has nothing to do with you...I know that is hard to believe, but yes, nobody cares about you.

alright man not really trying to continue this

wish you the best

[Smoke117]

alright man not really trying to continue this

wish you the best

It's a little to to for this after you called me a drunk at least 3 or 4 times before and tried to belittle me while I was giving you reasonable and astute responses. Taking the high road was something you should have done an hour ago. And no...i'm not going to make it easier on you now that you realized what a prick you are.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It's a little to to for this after you called me a drunk at least 3 or 4 times before and tried to belittle me while I was giving you reasonable and astute responses. Taking the high road was something you should have done an hour ago. And no...i'm not going to make it easier on you now that you realized what a prick you are.

these are not reasonable and astute responses dude :facepalm


And yet you have to post in EVERY SINGLE ONE. Oh and "laker haters"...lol. No one cares about the lakers enough to hate them anymore...nor do we consider you kobe stans to even be true laker fans.





On a thread note...I'm curious if Kobe will take a step back or he will be the same guy he was last year. (you know...taking 18 foot turn arounds with two or three guys in his face) This is more a question about his ego more than anything. The Lakers have no chance of making the playoffs, period. He knows it, we know it, everyone knows it. I'm curious to see if he will put his team or his ego first because it's obviously better for the Lakers to have the young guys much involved and developing. I actually hope he stays the same kobe as he was last season...get that missed shot record to a point where no one will ever surpass it.


I'd love to know how Pau has "average" defense but Kobe is considered a great defensive player? Pau has a much better drating, much higher defensive win shares than kobe and SURPRISE...I've actually seen them play. It's hilarious how these kobe morons call Pau sogy while he was being the most important defensive player on both championship teams because of his length alone. It wasn't like he lacked effort either...maybe he wasn't as strong as others, but he tried and because of his length he was an immense trouble to offensive players. It's hilarious how these kobe stans actually think kobe was even the top 3 defensive player on those championships teams. I guess if you have clowns like marky marky posting so much shit enough you start to believe it.

if that's your way of being reasonable and astute..

[poido123]

Do Lakers fans really believe this?


:lol


I would think some common sense would prevail here.

[Spurs m8]

Can you girls just move on?

Cheers

[clipps]

Some of you are retarded. I'm far from a Kobe fan, but the Lakers are better with Kobe. Lakers will be shitty either way, but Kobe will had a few wins if healthy.

Best scenario: 10th in WC
Worst Scenario: Last

[JellyBean]

With the valiant god returning to lead his talented group of youngsters, I say WCF at worst.


:applause: That's what I am talking about!! Shoot I am just hoping that we can get into the playoffs. Anything else is icing on the cake.

[T_L_P]

They're gonna start out slow, eventually realise they have absolutely no shot at the Playoffs, then tank hard to try and keep their pick.

[Richesly]

OP, I cannot answer your question, because you made a typo. You put good in the same sentence as Lakers, it seems.

[SwayDizzle]

OP, I cannot answer your question, because you made a typo. You put good in the same sentence as Lakers, it seems.
:lol :hammerhead:

[ronnymac]

Warriors
Spurs
Rockets
OKC
Clippers
Grizzlies
Pelicans

are all significantly better. Then there are the likes of the Wolves, Mavs,Suns and the Jazz who will be fighting out for the 8th seed. Unless Hibbert has a career year along with the likes of Bass, Lou Williams and Russel along with Randle comes out blazing I cant see them making the playoffs.The west is to loaded right now.