29% of Americans think Obama is a muslim

[Smook B]

http://www.newser.com/story/212770/29-of-americans-still-think-obama-is-a-muslim.html

:facepalm

[KyrieTheFuture]

Reminds me of the old South Park line about 25% of Americans are retards and using Cartman as proof. So true.

[Smoke117]

Country bumpkins. God bless them.

[FKAri]

Probably the same ones who go around saying he's a "socialist fascist"

[Smook B]

Most are probably trump supporters.

[RedBlackAttack]

http://lwtc247.files.wordpress.com/2010/06/get-a-brain-morans.jpg

[NumberSix]

My guess is he's probably an atheist, but whether people like to admit this fact or not, when he was a kid in Indonesia, he was registered as a Muslim at the schools he was enrolled in. One of the schools offered both Christian classes and Islamic classes. He attended the Islamic classes. His mother went to church but "Barry" went to mosque with his step father.

Like I said, I think he's probably an atheist, but it's just a fact that he at least used to be a Muslim. I don't think he still is, but it's not a ridiculous opinion.

[DonDadda59]

Even if he was a Muslim... so what? :confusedshrug:

He's nearing the end of his second term and we're not living under Sharia law or carving out a new Caliphate in Canada.

What difference does it make? Why is being a Christian paramount for being President?

I bet if somehow we were able to clone Abraham Lincoln and he ran for president but declared himself an atheist, he'd lose to Flavor Flav in a Presidential election as long as Flav did some photo ops at a Church during the election season.

[DeuceWallaces]

My guess is he's probably an atheist, but whether people like to admit this fact or not, when he was a kid in Indonesia, he was registered as a Muslim at the schools he was enrolled in. One of the schools offered both Christian classes and Islamic classes. He attended the Islamic classes. His mother went to church but "Barry" went to mosque with his step father.

Like I said, I think he's probably an atheist, but it's just a fact that he at least used to be a Muslim. I don't think he still is, but it's not a ridiculous opinion.

You have absolutely no reason to believe that he's atheist. Most of your talking points are hearsay. He was registered as muslim like in the 1st grade only because his father was, although he grew up a Christian being raised by his mother and her family. Jesus christ you lack any critical thinking skill. At least Starface or NY wouldn't post shit like this that's so clearly false.

[NumberSix]

Even if he was a Muslim... so what? :confusedshrug:

Exactly. So why does everyone go batshit if someone thinks that he is?

[DonDadda59]

Exactly. So why does everyone go batshit if someone thinks that he is?

It's probably due to the fact that it's often followed up by the person who claims that also claiming he was born in Kenya. :lol

[NumberSix]

It's probably due to the fact that it's often followed up by the person who claims that also claiming he was born in Kenya. :lol
So what? What does it matter if some idiot thinks he was Born in Kenya? His mother is an American citizen, therefore, he is a natural born American citizen regardless of where he was born. It doesn't matter.

[KNOW1EDGE]

He is a muslim.

And it hasn't affected his ability to be president, and in the country he is president you are allowed to be muslim.

[knickballer]

This shit is laughable really. Instead of focusing on key issues we focus on trivial shit like Obama's birth certificate or if he's a muzzy...

During the republican debate the first 5 or so questions to the candidates was about Donald Trump and if he's clown. During all these presidential debates they have trivial issues like should transgenders have their own bathrooms as one of the main debating points, etc, etc.

Shit like that is why Corporations aren't paying any taxes or why Corporations and Banks are dominating the political game in America.

[Godzuki]

15% are Dem's tho :oldlol:

[9erempiree]

He is a Muslim but by namesake therefore he is one.

Doesn't get more Muslim than Barack Obama.

[NumberSix]

15% are Dem's tho :oldlol:
Well, Hillary Clinton started the whole "Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya" thing when she was running against him in 2008.

[DeuceWallaces]

Well, Hillary Clinton started the whole "Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya" thing when she was running against him in 2008.

Wrong again. They first started in his 2004 Senate run. A Hillary staffer forwarded an email in 2008 to the same effect and was promptly fired.

[dude77]

hc definitely tried using this tactic in 08 .. obviously steathily though, since she's a disingenuous coward .. watch her lying through her teeth in this clip .. you can see her fighting internally what she's saying with that fake little smile .. and then if you have any doubts, she tops it off at the end 'as far as I know' lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHFREDHB-nQ

[ThePhantomCreep]

Well, Hillary Clinton started the whole "Obama is a Muslim who was born in Kenya" thing when she was running against him in 2008.
Still a BS lie no matter how many times Rush Limbaugh commands you to repeat it.

[NumberSix]

Still a BS lie no matter how many times Rush Limbaugh commands you to repeat it.
1. I've actually never listened to Rush Limbaugh's show. Literally never. Not even once.

2. DeuceWallaces already explained where it came from. I haven't bothered to check if he's right, but I'd guess that he probably is. I'm not particularly informed on the background of the birthed thing, so I'm not going to argue about it.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't know too many Christians named Barack Hussein Obama.

Besides, let's say he was born a Muslim and practiced the faith in his youth. If he's now a Christian, then he's become an apostate of Islam which would be an insult to his father and family. And, in some countries, apostasy is punishable by death.

One way or the other, my personal beef with the man is his policy. I frankly don't care what religion he practices in private, but I do have a problem with members of the Muslim Brotherhood being his close confidants and making regular appearances at the White House.

[TheMan]

Even if he was a Muslim... so what? :confusedshrug:

He's nearing the end of his second term and we're not living under Sharia law or carving out a new Caliphate in Canada.

What difference does it make? Why is being a Christian paramount for being President?

I bet if somehow we were able to clone Abraham Lincoln and he ran for president but declared himself an atheist, he'd lose to Flavor Flav in a Presidential election as long as Flav did some photo ops at a Church during the election season.
This

As long as he's not a radical Islamist, who cares. It would be just as bad if he was a radical Christian. Hopefully he is an athiest tho.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hopefully he is an athiest tho.


You're gonna upset la virgen Guadalupe with that kind of talk.

[imdaman99]

Just saw in the news that 54% of Trump supporters believe him to be Muslim :roll:

[TheMan]

You're gonna upset la virgen Guadalupe with that kind of talk.
I wouldn't want to offend her is she were real. But she's not, she's a made up invention by the Spaniards to get the natives to accept Catholicism.

[Patrick Chewing]

I wouldn't want to offend her is she were real. But she's not, she's a made up invention by the Spaniards to get the natives to accept Catholicism.


C'mon carnal. You and me are two peas in the pod. Two spokes on the wheel of life in a drifting blue marble in a thing called space. You should be more like me though. Religion is a man-made creation, and I think too many people stray away from God because of man's imperfect nature.

Believe it or not, God can bring us all closer together, but so long as we believe in his divine nature and believe that we are not all here by happenstance, but by love. Que dices vato? Put a little faith in God and believe your life has purpose? Or live the rest of your life demeaning others because they choose to believe in God a little differently than you and me? Come home, bro.

P.S. I'm serious about this. Don't throw an insult at me cause this is coming from the heart.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Just saw in the news that 54% of Trump supporters believe him to be Muslim :roll:

I saw that too. Lol @ idiots who think this guy was a plant. He's John Q Teabilly if anything.

[TheMan]

C'mon carnal. You and me are two peas in the pod. Two spokes on the wheel of life in a drifting blue marble in a thing called space. You should be more like me though. Religion is a man-made creation, and I think too many people stray away from God because of man's imperfect nature.

Believe it or not, God can bring us all closer together, but so long as we believe in his divine nature and believe that we are not all here by happenstance, but by love. Que dices vato? Put a little faith in God and believe your life has purpose? Or live the rest of your life demeaning others because they choose to believe in God a little differently than you and me? Come home, bro.

P.S. I'm serious about this. Don't throw an insult at me cause this is coming from the heart.
No te iba insultar hermano. You can believe what you want to believe in, as long as it doesn't affect the way I choose to live.

I was raised Catholic by a very religious mother, she sent me and my brothers to Catholic school and went to Mass every Sunday. Then she fell ill by a horrible illness and suffered in her last years on Earth yet she never lost faith and kept believing God would save her but that never happened.

I figured early on that either He exists but doesn't give a shit or He doesn't exist and we're all alone on this small piece of rock. She was always a good person of faith yet that didn't help her in avoiding getting sick by a very rare disease. No amount of praying relieved her suffering. So I believe in science.

I do have a purpose in life, to be with my wife and children and watch them grow up and raise them to be decent human beings, there is no other greater purpose in life.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Thank you, stupid rednecks in the South.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

... so has anyone ever seen him doing the traditional Muslim prayer

[KevinNYC]

He is a Muslim but by namesake therefore he is one.


This might be the dumbest thing you've ever posted.

[Coach Eddie]

http://www.newser.com/story/212770/29-of-americans-still-think-obama-is-a-muslim.html

:facepalm

Most of those will probably vote Trump.

[UK2K]

He says (or said) he was a Christian, but then again, he lies about a lot of things.

[dude77]

obama is the biggest muslim sympathizer we've had for a president that I can remember .. this piece of shit has thrown christians under the bus to appease muslims .. not to mention the guy grew up around it .. there's plenty of evidence of his affiliation and affinity to it .. you have to be a ****in retard to deny that he has some kind of tie to islam

[Patrick Chewing]

obama is the biggest muslim sympathizer we've had for a president that I can remember .. this piece of shit has thrown christians under the bus to appease muslims .. not to mention the guy grew up around it .. there's plenty of evidence of his affiliation and affinity to it .. you have to be a ****in retard to deny that he has some kind of tie to islam


This is very true. Not even the most ardent of Obama supporters can deny this fact.

The Muslim kid that made that clock for school was invited to the White House, but Kate Steinle's family is not. The Muslim Brotherhood is invited to the White House, but Christians are scolded by him on a daily basis any time he wants to talk about Islam and Christianity.

President's are supposed to bridge gaps and not have an agenda. His agenda is the appeasement of Muslims even though they are responsible for such atrocities across the world. Instead of calling out such atrocities, he rather explain how Christianity had a violent path too. So, does that make it OK in today's world, Mr. President? Does that excuse Muslim violence? Liberals love bringing up past transgressions to justify another. It's almost robotic how they do that on a continuous basis.

[SugarHill]

He is a Muslim but by namesake therefore he is one.

Doesn't get more Muslim than Barack Obama.
uh what? grew up muslim. never heard that name in my life or anything that even sounds like it aside from osama or something

[beer]

uh what? grew up muslim. never heard that name in my life or anything that even sounds like it aside from osama or something

May not be a common name, but if you grew up muslim or know any arabic, surely you've heard the word barak/baraka. (mubarak comes from the same root)

[DonDadda59]

He says (or said) he was a Christian, but then again, he lies about a lot of things.


obama is the biggest muslim sympathizer we've had for a president that I can remember .. this piece of shit has thrown christians under the bus to appease muslims .. not to mention the guy grew up around it .. there's plenty of evidence of his affiliation and affinity to it .. you have to be a ****in retard to deny that he has some kind of tie to islam


This is very true. Not even the most ardent of Obama supporters can deny this fact.

The Muslim kid that made that clock for school was invited to the White House, but Kate Steinle's family is not. The Muslim Brotherhood is invited to the White House, but Christians are scolded by him on a daily basis any time he wants to talk about Islam and Christianity.

President's are supposed to bridge gaps and not have an agenda. His agenda is the appeasement of Muslims even though they are responsible for such atrocities across the world. Instead of calling out such atrocities, he rather explain how Christianity had a violent path too. So, does that make it OK in today's world, Mr. President? Does that excuse Muslim violence? Liberals love bringing up past transgressions to justify another. It's almost robotic how they do that on a continuous basis.

The Donald Trump All Stars checking in after another town hall meeting. :applause:


obama is the biggest muslim sympathizer we've had for a president that I can remember

Lemme refresh your memory play boy...

https://wideawakegentile.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/bo432rociaiincd.jpg

^Ronny funded and trained the Mujahadeen when they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. One of the recipients of this charity was a young upstart named Osama Bin Laden.

BFFs Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein have tea and biscuits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP7ZrmkcuU)

http://41.media.tumblr.com/b7451a50c80b23f1243f235d9b0c4f9c/tumblr_msmxpyfSBX1rncbh7o1_500.jpg

http://www.olywip.org/archive/parts/2005-08-06-01-image-preview.jpg

Bush and Cheney spent years wining and dining Taliban members in an effort to get some sweet oil deals:


The Bush Administration’s entanglement with ENRON is beginning to unravel as it finally admits that Enron executives entered the White House six times last year to secretly plan the Administration’s energy policy with Vice-President Cheney before the collapse of the Texas-based energy giant. Meanwhile, even more trouble for our former-Texas-oil-man-turned-President is brewing with reports that unveil UNOCAL, another big energy company, for being in bed with the Taliban, along with the U.S. government in a major, continuing effort to construct pipelines through Afghanistan from the petroleum-rich Caspian Basin in Central Asia. Beneath their burkas, UNOCAL is being exposed for giving the five star treatment to Taliban Mullahs in the Lone Star State in 1997. The “evil-ones” were also invited to meet with U.S. government officials in Washington, D.C.

According to a December 17, 1997 article in the British paper, The Telegraph, headlined, “Oil barons court Taliban in Texas,” the Taliban was about to sign a “?2 billion contract with an American oil company to build a pipeline across the war-torn country. … The Islamic warriors appear to have been persuaded to close the deal, not through delicate negotiation but by old-fashioned Texan hospitality. … Dressed in traditional salwar khameez,Afghan waistcoats and loose, black turbans, the high-ranking delegation was given VIP treatment during the four-day stay.”

At the same time, U.S. government documents reveal that the Taliban were harboring Osama bin Laden as their “guest” since June 1996. By then, bin Laden had: been expelled by Sudan in early 1996 in response to US insistence and the threat of UN sanctions; publicly declared war against the U.S. on or about August 23, 1996; pronounced the bombings in Riyadh and at Khobar in Saudi Arabia killing 19 US servicemen as ‘praiseworthy terrorism’, promising that other attacks would follow in November 1996 and further admitted carrying out attacks on U.S. military personnel in Somalia in 1993 and Yemen in 1992, declaring that “we used to hunt them down in Mogadishu”; stated in an interview broadcast in February 1997 that “if someone can kill an American soldier, it is better than wasting time on other matters.” Evidence was also developing which linked bin Laden to: the 1995 bombing of a U.S. military barracks in Riyadh which killed five; Ramzi Yuosef, who led the 1993 World Trade Center attacks; and a 1994 assassination plot against President Clinton in the Philippines.

Back in Houston, the Taliban was learning how the “other half lives,” and according to The Telegraph, “stayed in a five-star hotel and were chauffeured in a company minibus.” The Taliban representatives “…were amazed by the luxurious homes of Texan oil barons. Invited to dinner at the palatial home of Martin Miller, a vice-president of Unocal, they marveled at his swimming pool, views of the golf course and six bathrooms.” Mr. Miller, said he hoped that UNOCAL had clinched the deal.

Dick Cheney was then CEO of Haliburton Corporation, a pipeline services vendor based in Texas. Gushed Cheney in 1998, “I can’t think of a time when we’ve had a region emerge as suddenly to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. It’s almost as if the opportunities have arisen overnight. The good Lord didn’t see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally we have to operate in places where, all things considered, one would not normally choose to go. But we go where the business is.” Would Cheney bargain with the harborers of U.S. troop killers if that’s where the business was?

Yeezus (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-G6m9JnuuYhbJmm/fahrenheit_9_11_2004_pipe_line_in_afghanistan/)

[KevinNYC]

https://wideawakegentile.files.wordpress.com/2014/06/bo432rociaiincd.jpg

^Ronny funded and trained the Mujahadeen when they were fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan. One of the recipients of this charity was a young upstart named Osama Bin Laden.
The text on this photo is false.
Reagan did fund and did work with Afghan Mujahadeen as you mention and the photo is a real photo of Aghan Mujahadeen in the White House
but
The Taliban didn't exist until 1990's. The men in the photo are not Taliban. To claim otherwise is the equivalent of saying we fought the Nazi's in WWI because Hitler was a German soldier in that war.
The quote is a real quote from Reagan, but he did not say about Afghan mujahadeen.


Also the funding of the Mujahadeen started under Carter. And when would the Taliban include the woman on the right as part of any leadership group?

Also false is the idea that Osama Bin Laden was a recipient of these funds. We funded Afghan groups in Afghanistan not Arab groups. There were no Arab groups that did any significant fighting in Afghanistan and further more the Arab groups were well funded themselves. Arabs provided funds to the Afghans, but not military divisions. Bin Laden formed a charitycalled the Afghan Service Bureau (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maktab_al-Khidamat)that raised money for jihad and used this money to fund their activities. They had an office in Brooklyn.


BFFs Donald Rumsfeld and Saddam Hussein have tea and biscuits (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zaP7ZrmkcuU)

http://41.media.tumblr.com/b7451a50c80b23f1243f235d9b0c4f9c/tumblr_msmxpyfSBX1rncbh7o1_500.jpg

The first photo is an absolute and obvious fake. The second photo is real. Rumsfeld served at Reagan's envoy to Iraq in 1983.

Do you think the blurry screen capture from this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r42oejmpkgw)would have been used so often if perfectly clear photo of Rumsfeld and Saddam in tuxedos (!!!) existed. By the way, can anyone find any Arab head of state in a tuxedo? I would like to see that.

[KyrieTheFuture]

This is very true. Not even the most ardent of Obama supporters can deny this fact.

The Muslim kid that made that clock for school was invited to the White House, but Kate Steinle's family is not. The Muslim Brotherhood is invited to the White House, but Christians are scolded by him on a daily basis any time he wants to talk about Islam and Christianity.

President's are supposed to bridge gaps and not have an agenda. His agenda is the appeasement of Muslims even though they are responsible for such atrocities across the world. Instead of calling out such atrocities, he rather explain how Christianity had a violent path too. So, does that make it OK in today's world, Mr. President? Does that excuse Muslim violence? Liberals love bringing up past transgressions to justify another. It's almost robotic how they do that on a continuous basis.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

[NumberSix]

This is very true. Not even the most ardent of Obama supporters can deny this fact.

The Muslim kid that made that clock for school was invited to the White House, but Kate Steinle's family is not. The Muslim Brotherhood is invited to the White House, but Christians are scolded by him on a daily basis any time he wants to talk about Islam and Christianity.

President's are supposed to bridge gaps and not have an agenda. His agenda is the appeasement of Muslims even though they are responsible for such atrocities across the world. Instead of calling out such atrocities, he rather explain how Christianity had a violent path too. So, does that make it OK in today's world, Mr. President? Does that excuse Muslim violence? Liberals love bringing up past transgressions to justify another. It's almost robotic how they do that on a continuous basis.
He's a "progressive" though. Their whole agenda is to divide.

They have no ideas or principles. Their entire political strategy is to divide voters by identity. All they do is say dumb shit like if you're black, you should vote a democrat. If you're a woman, you should vote a democrat. If you're Hispanic, you should vote democrat. They don't present any actual ideas. All they do is try to play these gotcha games where they try to spin it to frame the other side as being "anti-black", "anti-woman", etc...

Now, when you think about it.... Is there any actual reason why blacks should vote democrat? Of course there isn't, but the demoKKKrats constantly push this "the GOP hates blacks. We swear it's super true" propaganda. That's their only move, because as I said, they have no actual ideas or principles.

[Take Your Lumps]

That's only half as bad as the 60% that believe in the literal story of Noah and the flood:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/16/20040216-113955-2061r/?page=all

64% of Americans think that Moses actually parted the Red Sea.

[stalkerforlife]

I think the sky is purple.

Who cares?

[KNOW1EDGE]

That's only half as bad as the 60% that believe in the literal story of Noah and the flood:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2004/feb/16/20040216-113955-2061r/?page=all

64% of Americans think that Moses actually parted the Red Sea.

Do you have definitive proof to say these events did or did not take place?

[Nanners]

Do you have definitive proof to say these events did or did not take place?

do you have definitive proof that the universe was not created by a flying spaghetti monster?

[Take Your Lumps]

Do you have definitive proof to say these events did or did not take place?

I think it's a safe bet to assume a human man did not alter the flow of an entire sea by the wave of his magic hand. Why should I believe otherwise?

[stalkerforlife]

I think it's a safe bet to assume a human man did not alter the flow of an entire sea by the wave of his magic hand. Why should I believe otherwise?

Um...the world. :roll:

How do you think everything exists?

Atheists are sick in the head. :lol

[DeuceWallaces]

Although there is fairly significant evidence that Jesus was a real man, it's almost certain that Moses and any events attributed to him are entirely false.

[ThePhantomCreep]

He's a "progressive" though. Their whole agenda is to divide.

They have no ideas or principles. Their entire political strategy is to divide voters by identity. All they do is say dumb shit like if you're black, you should vote a democrat. If you're a woman, you should vote a democrat. If you're Hispanic, you should vote democrat. They don't present any actual ideas. All they do is try to play these gotcha games where they try to spin it to frame the other side as being "anti-black", "anti-woman", etc...

Now, when you think about it....Is there any actual reason why blacks should vote democrat? Of course there isn't, but the demoKKKrats constantly push this "the GOP hates blacks. We swear it's super true" propaganda. That's their only move, because as I said, they have no actual ideas or principles

:biggums: The GOP has been pandering to the racists, homophobes, nationalists, and misogynists in our society for a looooong time now. You don't see how that would be a turnoff to minorities, homosexuals, and women?


Romney had a slogan in 2012, Keep America American. Translation: Keep America White. And GOP shills still wonder why minorities don't flock to them. :lol

[DeuceWallaces]

He's a "progressive" though. Their whole agenda is to divide.

They have no ideas or principles. Their entire political strategy is to divide voters by identity. All they do is say dumb shit like if you're black, you should vote a democrat. If you're a woman, you should vote a democrat. If you're Hispanic, you should vote democrat. They don't present any actual ideas. All they do is try to play these gotcha games where they try to spin it to frame the other side as being "anti-black", "anti-woman", etc...

Now, when you think about it.... Is there any actual reason why blacks should vote democrat? Of course there isn't, but the demoKKKrats constantly push this "the GOP hates blacks. We swear it's super true" propaganda. That's their only move, because as I said, they have no actual ideas or principles.

You can't possibly believe that.

[NumberSix]

:biggums: The GOP has been pandering to the racists, homophobes, nationalists, and misogynists in our society for a looooong time now. You don't see how that would be a turnoff to minorities, homosexuals, and women?

GOP candidates in the south definitely did pander to racism. That's a bad idea too. My personal opinion is that identity (sex, race, religion, etc...) should be left out of politics. I'm not saying it should be illegal or something, but IMO, there's nothing good that can come from it.


Romney had a slogan in 2012, Keep America American. Translation: Keep America White. And GOP shills still wonder why minorities don't flock to them. :lol
That's your opinion.

Here's something I'm sure we can agree on though. I think it should be illegal for corporations to donate money to political campaigns or super PACs.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Obama being a muslim has nothing to do with me being "of sound mind and with the intelligence of an adult" :lol magic wands, Moses and the red sea or Noah's ark.

Obama is a muslim because Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim.

What's the point of this thread?

[NumberSix]

Obama being a muslim has nothing to do with me being "of sound mind and with the intelligence of an adult" :lol magic wands, Moses and the red sea or Noah's ark.

Obama is a muslim because Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim.

What's the point of this thread?
You don't know that. There's really no reason at all to think he is a Muslim.

[Nanners]

Obama being a muslim has nothing to do with me being "of sound mind and with the intelligence of an adult" :lol magic wands, Moses and the red sea or Noah's ark.

Obama is a muslim because Barack Hussein Obama is a muslim.

What's the point of this thread?

i think he makes a valid point, can you prove that you dont have donkey brains?

[DonDadda59]

Do you have definitive proof to say these events did or did not take place?

Bruh...

[KNOW1EDGE]

i think he makes a valid point, can you prove that you dont have donkey brains?

Great point.

I think everyone can now agree, this proves, Obama is not a muslim.

[KyrieTheFuture]

But how can he be Muslim when according to ish the only real Muslims are the ones participating in jihad?

[Patrick Chewing]

Although there is fairly significant evidence that Jesus was a real man, it's almost certain that Moses and any events attributed to him are entirely false.


Do you believe God spoke to Moses through the 10 commandments?


And if you don't, then why have people gone through such pain-staking efforts throughout history to hide the Ark of the Covenant?

[DonDadda59]

Do you believe God spoke to Moses through the 10 commandments?

Some dude on the subway the other day told me God speaks to him and he's a prophet. Is he right or just your run of the mill schizophrenic? Always hard to discern. :confusedshrug:



And if you don't, then why have people gone through such pain-staking efforts throughout history to hide the Ark of the Covenant?

You read the Da Vinci Code?

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't give a shit what you think of Obama. I want to know how you can even come close to thinking Noah's ark and Moses parting the sea were real events.


The ark is entirely believable because it's mainly a man building a ship to survive a flood. The part about housing two of each species of animal is much less believable, but the story could have been exaggerated.

The parting of the seas could be an exaggeration as well. An earthquake or drought could have caused the seas to recede and the writer could have used this natural occurrence to show that God favored Moses and allowed him to part the sea. There are flash floods in the desert that fill up huge spaces of land in minutes.

[DeuceWallaces]

Do you believe God spoke to Moses through the 10 commandments?


And if you don't, then why have people gone through such pain-staking efforts throughout history to hide the Ark of the Covenant?

Moses did not exist. I don't believe God spoke to him any more than I believe Indiana Jones found them several centuries later.

[Patrick Chewing]

If you believe that stuff was exaggerated, then why take the Bible at it's word for anything?


I think most Christians take the Bible for its overall message, but only the fanatical take it word for word. Fanatical Christianity died out years ago.

On the other hand, fanatical Islam is thriving.

[KevinNYC]

Do you believe God spoke to Moses through the 10 commandments?

Dude this is not even how the story goes in the bible.

[KNOW1EDGE]

I don't give a shit what you think of Obama. I want to know how you can even come close to thinking Noah's ark and Moses parting the sea were real events.

Because it's possible to build an arc and sometimes oceans appear to "part" when really it can be explained by natural occurances such as wind, an earthquake or even low-tide.

This thread is about Obama being a muslim doe, not Noah's arc or Moses and the Red Sea or any other bible stories.

[dude77]

forgot about this one ..

obama gave his first interview as president to an arabic, muslim tv network lol ..

he has propped up muslims so many times .. he bows to muslim kings .. refuses to use the phrase radical islamic terrorists .. even trashed christians one time using that 'crusades' comment .. he would never make such a negative comment about islam ..

like I said, anyone who thinks he's not muslim or has deep ties to it is either trolling or has a sub 80 iq

[imdaman99]

forgot about this one ..

obama gave his first interview as president to an arabic, muslim tv network lol ..

he has propped up muslims so many times .. he bows to muslim kings .. refuses to use the phrase radical islamic terrorists .. even trashed christians one time using that 'crusades' comment .. he would never make such a negative comment about islam ..

like I said, anyone who thinks he's not muslim or has deep ties to it is either trolling or has a sub 80 iq
You're just sensitively paranoid. "Crusades comment" :roll: Take off your tinfoil hat.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I think most Christians take the Bible for its overall message, but only the fanatical take it word for word. Fanatical Christianity died out years ago.

On the other hand, fanatical Islam is thriving.

Most Christians cherrypick the parts they like (hating gays, for example) and ignoring the others (hating adulterers, for example).

[NumberSix]

Most Christians cherrypick the parts they like (hating gays, for example) and ignoring the others (hating adulterers, for example).
Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's still a big deal. People like you just don't hear about it because there is no constant pro-adultery agenda in the media like there is with gays.

Pretty sure the Catholic Church still excommunicates people who get divorced or commit adultery.

[DeuceWallaces]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's still a big deal. People like you just don't hear about it because there is no constant pro-adultery agenda in the media like there is with gays.

Pretty sure the Catholic Church still excommunicates people who get divorced or commit adultery.

That or most reasonable people recognize there is nothing inherently wrong with being homosexual or expecting equal rights for homosexuals whereas adultery is universally maligned.

The two dipshit republicans are running again in Michigan, but I haven't seen any outrage from the right over it.

[KevinNYC]

Pretty sure the Catholic Church still excommunicates people who get divorced or commit adultery.

lol

[KyrieTheFuture]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's still a big deal. People like you just don't hear about it because there is no constant pro-adultery agenda in the media like there is with gays.

Pretty sure the Catholic Church still excommunicates people who get divorced or commit adultery.
Incorrect

[KevinNYC]

Getting a divorce or committing adultery does not get you excommunicated. You are still able to partake of the sacraments. In fact, there's a sacrament just for this situation, it's called Confession.

There's only one common sin that gets you excommunicated: abortion.

The other ones are
apostasy, heresy, schism
ordaining bishops without permission
physically assaulting the Pope
stealing the Host for a sacrilegious purpose,
a priest giving absolution to a partner in a sin against the Sixth Commandment (a priest can't forgive someone the sin of adultery if the adultery occurred with that priest.)
a priest who violates the seal of the confessional,

[NumberSix]

That or most reasonable people recognize there is nothing inherently wrong with being homosexual or expecting equal rights for homosexuals whereas adultery is universally maligned.

The two dipshit republicans are running again in Michigan, but I haven't seen any outrage from the right over it.
I'm not making any value judgements on either. Just pointing out that I think it's inaccurate to claim that religious Christians don't care about adultery. I'm sure they do find it to be an immoral act.

[Patrick Chewing]

Most Christians cherrypick the parts they like (hating gays, for example) and ignoring the others (hating adulterers, for example).


Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate.


That's all you guys talk about. Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate.


You're all robots. Christians don't hate gays. They don't agree with gay marriage. You can spin it any which way you want, but at the end of the day, you'll still be an assclown in the wrong.

[DeuceWallaces]

I'm not making any value judgements on either. Just pointing out that I think it's inaccurate to claim that religious Christians don't care about adultery. I'm sure they do find it to be an immoral act.

Then why aren't they banging the drum over the 2 reps from Mi, the Duggars, or the Palin kid like they are Kim Davis?

[NumberSix]

Then why aren't they banging the drum over the 2 reps from Mi, the Duggars, or the Palin kid like they are Kim Davis?
To what end? Was someone jailed for not giving the Duggars a marriage license? If so, I'd assume they would be qutie upset about that too.

Let's take it a step further. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the more zealous Christians would be in favour of adultery being illegal. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

It seems like your insinuation here is that there is some sort of hypocrisy. I just don't see it. I'm pretty sure all the zealots that dislike gay marriage think all of the other dumb stuff too.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate.


That's all you guys talk about. Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate.


You're all robots. Christians don't hate gays. They don't agree with gay marriage. You can spin it any which way you want, but at the end of the day, you'll still be an assclown in the wrong.

Christians believe homosexuals are going to burn in a literal hell for all eternity and aren't afraid to let them know it. They're also for the suppression of their basic rights and look to discriminate against them every chance they get.

Call it whatever you want, their actions look suspiciously like hate to me.

[ThePhantomCreep]

To what end? Was someone jailed for not giving the Duggars a marriage license? If so, I'd assume they would be qutie upset about that too.

Let's take it a step further. I wouldn't be shocked if some of the more zealous Christians would be in favour of adultery being illegal. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

It seems like your insinuation here is that there is some sort of hypocrisy. I just don't see it. I'm pretty sure all the zealots that dislike gay marriage think all of the other dumb stuff too.

33% of Americans agreed with Kim Davis's actions. I guarantee you a fraction of those same people support denying marriage licenses to adulterers, if it's 5% I would be shocked.

Religious nuts have gay on the brain, dude. Accept it.

[rezznor]

33% of Americans agreed with Kim Davis's actions. I guarantee you a fraction of those same people support denying marriage licenses to adulterers, if it's 5% I would be shocked.

Religious nuts have gay on the brain, dude. Accept it.
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MVdDcPbJ--/1444708981260065194.jpg

[Coach Eddie]

Who cares what his religion is as long as he doesn't use it to justify insane laws.

[Coach Eddie]

Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate.


That's all you guys talk about. Hate, Hate, Hate, Hate.


You're all robots. Christians don't hate gays. They don't agree with gay marriage. You can spin it any which way you want, but at the end of the day, you'll still be an assclown in the wrong.

Many do, many don't.

[KNOW1EDGE]

Christians believe homosexuals are going to burn in a literal hell for all eternity and aren't afraid to let them know it. They're also for the suppression of their basic rights and look to discriminate against them every chance they get.

Call it whatever you want, their actions look suspiciously like hate to me.

The whole Christian religion is based off love in another no matter what. Not, hate gays. Lmfao

You can make sh1t up and call it whatever you want. You still look like an uninformed idiot to me

[Patrick Chewing]

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--MVdDcPbJ--/1444708981260065194.jpg


You know what's funny, how some people call her a c*nt and have wished her death or much worse, when all she did was deny a f'n marriage license.


LOL, and she's the one with the problem??

[UK2K]

You know what's funny, how some people call her a c*nt and have wished her death or much worse, when all she did was deny a f'n marriage license.


LOL, and she's the one with the problem??

Like the pizza parlor in Indiana that wouldn't cater a gay wedding... so full of hate.

Until you saw the hundreds of death threats from the Gay Mafia and threats to burn down their restaurant and hurt the owner's family...

[TripleA]

Like the pizza parlor in Indiana that wouldn't cater a gay wedding... so full of hate.

Until you saw the hundreds of death threats from the Gay Mafia and threats to burn down their restaurant and hurt the owner's family...


The gay mafia showing their power.:eek:

[Coach Eddie]

The whole Christian religion is based off love in another no matter what. Not, hate gays. Lmfao

You can make sh1t up and call it whatever you want. You still look like an uninformed idiot to me

In theory, but in practice, it has been used to justify many horrible things.

[ThePhantomCreep]

The whole Christian religion is based off love in another no matter what. Not, hate gays. Lmfao

You can make sh1t up and call it whatever you want. You still look like an uninformed idiot to me
ROFL



https://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/kkk-jesus-saves.jpg

[KyrieTheFuture]

You know you have a strong argument when you use internet comments to prop up your point

[Patrick Chewing]

ROFL



https://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/kkk-jesus-saves.jpg


How many priests, bishops, or nuns do you see in that picture? Which also happens to be in black and white before color picture technology was available.

[pauk]

Man who cares, he is a great guy...

[Patrick Chewing]

Man who cares, he is a great guy...


Because he's Muslim? :lol

[BoutPractice]

Christian means follower of Christ. Close to 99% of "Christian" religion goes directly against the word of Jesus, sometimes offensively so. Not content with killing Jesus, we've been dancing on his dead body ever since... For example, not a single thing that Jesus said or did could be used to justify crusades, colonialism, racism, or slavery.

The Gospel isn't this esoteric document in need of interpretation. Unlike many other holy books its key message is pretty basic, and they make sure to repeat it enough times that anyone could understand. Heck, they even make sure to give you four versions of the exact same story... I'd go as far to say that you have to actively refuse to listen to what it says (probably because it goes against every human instinct) to use it as cover for some agenda of hatred.

If you're wondering, what are the most important things a Christian should do? Well, the book just spells it out for you: first, 'thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength', second, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. Jesus makes sure to add, 'There is none other commandment greater than these'.

If you're wondering, what should I do if someone uses violence against me or my family? Once again, Jesus is pretty clear: 'whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also'.

What about pompous decorum, and pedantic obsession with the minutiae of rules? Jesus makes it known he doesn't care for that, and thinks the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law, is what matters. What about greed and envy? "Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Are the poor, the weak, worthy of your respect and care? You bet they are. Should we punish sinners or forgive them? Jesus says forgive them. What are Jesus's views on sacrifice? "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" On religion and politics? "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

Who killed Jesus? We did. The book shows how a crowd of normal people, just like ourselves, can condemn an innocent man who preached a message of peace to death - how this is something we're all capable of (even a follower of Jesus "thrice denied him" in the end), and how we can become better people so we don't do it again.

None of it is rocket science... the answers are right there in front of you. You have every right not to agree with what the Gospel says - in which case you're not actually a Christian, which, again, is completely fine, most people aren't, myself included - but you can't make Jesus say the exact opposite of what he actually said.

Now the Old Testament, that's another matter. There's a lot in there for psychopaths of all kinds if they're willing to look for it. It's basically an epic, mythological history / survival manual for an ancient, persecuted people who lived in a far rougher time and place than ours. It's beautiful aesthetically, but as a universal moral guide it doesn't stand the test of centuries the way the New Testament does.

[Vaniiiia]

Because it's possible to build an arc and sometimes oceans appear to "part" when really it can be explained by natural occurances such as wind, an earthquake or even low-tide.

This thread is about Obama being a muslim doe, not Noah's arc or Moses and the Red Sea or any other bible stories.
No, this thread is about stupid ****ing idiots like you who falsely assume he is a Muslim, based off ... nothing.

:facepalm

[RidonKs]

Christian means follower of Christ. Close to 99% of "Christian" religion goes directly against the word of Jesus, sometimes offensively so. Not content with killing Jesus, we've been dancing on his dead body ever since... For example, not a single thing that Jesus said or did could be used to justify crusades, colonialism, racism, or slavery.

The Gospel isn't this esoteric document in need of interpretation. Unlike many other holy books its key message is pretty basic, and they make sure to repeat it enough times that anyone could understand. Heck, they even make sure to give you four versions of the exact same story... I'd go as far to say that you have to actively refuse to listen to what it says (probably because it goes against every human instinct) to use it as cover for some agenda of hatred.

If you're wondering, what are the most important things a Christian should do? Well, the book just spells it out for you: first, 'thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength', second, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. Jesus makes sure to add, 'There is none other commandment greater than these'.

If you're wondering, what should I do if someone uses violence against me or my family? Once again, Jesus is pretty clear: 'whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also'.

What about pompous decorum, and pedantic obsession with the minutiae of rules? Jesus makes it known he doesn't care for that, and thinks the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law, is what matters. What about greed and envy? "Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Are the poor, the weak, worthy of your respect and care? You bet they are. Should we punish sinners or forgive them? Jesus says forgive them. What are Jesus's views on sacrifice? "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" On religion and politics? "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

Who killed Jesus? We did. The book shows how a crowd of normal people, just like ourselves, can condemn an innocent man who preached a message of peace to death - how this is something we're all capable of (even a follower of Jesus "thrice denied him" in the end), and how we can become better people so we don't do it again.

None of it is rocket science... the answers are right there in front of you. You have every right not to agree with what the Gospel says - in which case you're not actually a Christian, which, again, is completely fine, most people aren't, myself included - but you can't make Jesus say the exact opposite of what he actually said.

Now the Old Testament, that's another matter. There's a lot in there for psychopaths of all kinds if they're willing to look for it. It's basically an epic, mythological history / survival manual for an ancient, persecuted people who lived in a far rougher time and place than ours. It's beautiful aesthetically, but as a universal moral guide it doesn't stand the test of centuries the way the New Testament does.
marvelous post right der, just maahvelous

[Dresta]

ROFL



https://dummidumbwit.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/kkk-jesus-saves.jpg
Funny how you're such an intolerant bigot who is always calling other people bigoted and intolerant. Just so you know, it was Christians who ended the slave trade, and Christians who constituted the driving force of the abolitionist movement. In fact, abolitionism was so closely tied to doctrinaire Christianity, that the movement was dismissed for decades as a minority of religious fanatics, who were willing to sow the seeds of disunion and war in order to carry out their moral crusade, and to purge the land of immorality (which, to an extent, they were, but that doesn't mean there wasn't anything noble or worthwhile about their position).

But, by all means, simply choose to focus on the refuse, and keep pretending that the loudest and most militant morons are representative of the whole (while repeatedly doing the absolute opposite in regard to muslims).

[KNOW1EDGE]

No, this thread is about stupid ****ing idiots like you who falsely assume he is a Muslim, based off ... nothing.

:facepalm

Welcome back Simon.

I didn't think we were gonna see you for a while after your last meltdown :cheers:

[lil jahlil]

Welcome back Simon.

I didn't think we were gonna see you for a while after your last meltdown :cheers:
Thanks.

[9erempiree]

He's Muslim.

[brownmamba00]

so?

[Dresta]

Christian means follower of Christ. Close to 99% of "Christian" religion goes directly against the word of Jesus, sometimes offensively so. Not content with killing Jesus, we've been dancing on his dead body ever since... For example, not a single thing that Jesus said or did could be used to justify crusades, colonialism, racism, or slavery.

The Gospel isn't this esoteric document in need of interpretation. Unlike many other holy books its key message is pretty basic, and they make sure to repeat it enough times that anyone could understand. Heck, they even make sure to give you four versions of the exact same story... I'd go as far to say that you have to actively refuse to listen to what it says (probably because it goes against every human instinct) to use it as cover for some agenda of hatred.

If you're wondering, what are the most important things a Christian should do? Well, the book just spells it out for you: first, 'thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength', second, 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. Jesus makes sure to add, 'There is none other commandment greater than these'.

If you're wondering, what should I do if someone uses violence against me or my family? Once again, Jesus is pretty clear: 'whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also'.

What about pompous decorum, and pedantic obsession with the minutiae of rules? Jesus makes it known he doesn't care for that, and thinks the spirit of the law, not the letter of the law, is what matters. What about greed and envy? "Ye cannot serve God and mammon." Are the poor, the weak, worthy of your respect and care? You bet they are. Should we punish sinners or forgive them? Jesus says forgive them. What are Jesus's views on sacrifice? "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice" On religion and politics? "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's."

Who killed Jesus? We did. The book shows how a crowd of normal people, just like ourselves, can condemn an innocent man who preached a message of peace to death - how this is something we're all capable of (even a follower of Jesus "thrice denied him" in the end), and how we can become better people so we don't do it again.

None of it is rocket science... the answers are right there in front of you. You have every right not to agree with what the Gospel says - in which case you're not actually a Christian, which, again, is completely fine, most people aren't, myself included - but you can't make Jesus say the exact opposite of what he actually said.

Now the Old Testament, that's another matter. There's a lot in there for psychopaths of all kinds if they're willing to look for it. It's basically an epic, mythological history / survival manual for an ancient, persecuted people who lived in a far rougher time and place than ours. It's beautiful aesthetically, but as a universal moral guide it doesn't stand the test of centuries the way the New Testament does.Nice post.


I think it's also important people recognise that it is not necessary to be a fanatic about these things. They are not unconditional and dogmatic. For instance, Christian forgiveness: nowhere should it be understood that this is absolute, and that those who show no remorse should still be forgiven. There is not forgiveness without repentance; no one is asked to show forgiveness to someone who shows no remorse for their action; but genuine remorse should bring forgiveness.

Good to see someone write something about religion on here without distorting the **** out of it :applause:.

[TomBrady]

29% of Americans are retarded.

[iamgine]

Christians believe homosexuals are going to burn in a literal hell for all eternity and aren't afraid to let them know it. They're also for the suppression of their basic rights and look to discriminate against them every chance they get.

Call it whatever you want, their actions look suspiciously like hate to me.
That's not true. Christians believe non believers of Jesus are going to hell.

[RoseCity07]

It's the favorite move of racists in America. They hate black people. They also hate Muslims. Attributing both to Obama is their natural progression.