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Euroleague
09-19-2015, 03:52 PM
ISH trolls, especially the Greek ones that are Panathinaikos (Spanoulis' ex team - its fans are so butt hurt that they would make Richard Simmons blush) only fan scum and lunatic hooligans, claim that Vassilis Spanoulis is, "the worst player in the history of the universe", "a Euro scrub", "someone that could never make the NBA", "high school players in the USA are better than him", "people at the local rec league are better than him", etc.

This is and other such comments are said here thousands of times, by dozens of posters.

I have been branded a "lunatic, nutcase, Euro ******, insane, crazy, liar", etc. and many other such insults, for saying none of that is true, and that in fact, he is one of the greatest European players ever, not just Euroleague players, but European players ever, and that this is universally accepted as a fact in Europe by basketball experts.

Now that Spanoulis has retired, the TRUTH comes out, and I am vindicated. If he was such a "worthless, no name scrub", then FIBA would not be writing all kinds of articles about him retiring. Every language in sports would not be writing articles about it in sports media, and paying tributes to his greatness.

All over Europe, they would not be discussing his legacy in the sport........if he was "a POS Euro bum".

Just an example, of some comments:

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/09/eurobasket/127245

Alessandro Gentile (Italian national team player / Houston Rockets draft pick - so the Houston Rockets scum hater fan base can go burn in hell):

“Spanoulis is my idol. If I were Greek, I would cry all night. I am a huge fan of him, and when I heard his decision, I shivered”.

Danilo Gallinari (NBA player / Italian national team player) :

“He’s among the best all-time players in Europe, not only among the active players. It is always nice to watch him playing, and it was also nice for Greece to have him as a leader. He’s an example for everybody, and especially the young players”.

http://www.eurohoops.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Spanoulis.jpg

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/09/eurobasket/126913

Pau Gasol (NBA player / Spanish national team player):

“Vassilis has made his mark in international basketball and Euroleague. He has offered a lot to his team, and he decided that it’s his time to retire. It’s a moment that will come for everyone. I wish him well, and to continue to play basketball with his club as long as he would like and wants to”.

http://www.eurohoops.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/span2009.jpg

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/09/eurobasket/126716

Simone Pianigiani (Italian national team head coach):

“Incredible respect to Spanoulis. He’s an idol for me. I love him, but doesn’t everybody love him? Many times he killed me in the Euroleague. He’s something special”.

https://twitter.com/sergioscariolo/status/644575079146332160

Sergio Scariolo (Spanish national team head coach):

sergioscariolo.com Verified account
‏@sergioscariolo

All my respect to Vassili Spanoulis: trying to slow him down has always been one of the most challenging and difficult parts of my game plans.

1:14 PM - 17 Sep 2015

http://www.eurohoops.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/IMG_5025.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/mpoyroushs-den-aresoyn-mpoyroushs-kai-zhshs-eygnwmwn-poy-epaiksa-me-ton-spanoulh.3672427.html

Ioannis Bourousis (Greek national team player):

"I'm thankful that I happened to play with Vassilis. He's one of the best of Europe. When they learned that Vassilis was retiring, Pianigiani, Scariolo, and Gasol sent him messages. He's a dog that cannot never, ever be caged, and he's always trying to make me better, and for that I thank him very much."

http://www.sport24.gr/incoming/article3672435.ece/BINARY/w620/1309060+%282%29.jpg

https://twitter.com/nik683/status/644575871626543104/photo/1

Nikos Zisis (Greek national team player):

Nikos Zisis Verified account
‏@nik683

"It's my honor that I played next to you. The memories will remain engraved forever."

1:17 PM - 17 Sep 2015

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPH-Uu4WEAAvEm4.jpg:large

https://twitter.com/PapaloukasTheo/status/644570922268131329

Theo Papaloukas (Greek national team player):

Τheodoros Papaloukas
‏@PapaloukasTheo

"Lucky and proud of being a teammate and a friend of this man."

12:57 PM - 17 Sep 2015

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPH9VsVWgAE1Igl.jpg:large

http://www.eurobasket2015.org/en/compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2015.roundID_ 9322.coid_M28jgPAvHtkRjAca6yjAv3.articleMode_on.ht ml

Vangelis Mantazris (Greek national team player):

"I'm really happy and very proud that we were able to play in the same national team with Vassilis."

"It's been an honor for us, and we hope to have the same success as him. I doubt that will happen without him, but that's it."

http://www.eurobasket2015.org/en/compID_qMRZdYCZI6EoANOrUf9le2.season_2015.roundID_ 9322.coid_M28jgPAvHtkRjAca6yjAv3.articleMode_on.ht ml

Fotis Katsikaris (Greek national team head coach):

"Very, very, very difficult moment in the locker room when Vassilis announced that he retired from the national team."

"I believe he is one of the players that changed Greek basketball, changed the way that many see it, and it was a very difficult moment."

"History will remember him, when he wants to retire from his team, as one of the biggest players ever to play in Europe."

http://www.eurobasket2015.org/en/files/%7BD5444FD7-44D0-4391-8D17-F96DAE4F8523%7Dbig_h.jpg

Greek Basketball Coaches Association:

"The Board of Directors of the Greek Basketball Coaches Association, after hearing the news that Vassilis Spanoulis retired from the national team, would like to thank him and congratulate him for all the contributions he has offered.

The Board of GBCA expresses that all Greek coaches want to thank Vassilis Spanoulis for his contribution over the years in Greek basketball, and especially on the occasions that he represented the national team. Since 2000, he honored the emblem on the jersey with sweat and blood, and he filled with us with tears of joy, while winning six medals (2000, 2001, 2002, 2005, 2006, 2009).

The least that the Greek Basketball Coaches Association can do is to congratulate him and applaud him, because over the years, he became one of the brightest examples for young athletes, and an idol for all the fans of our favorite sports. "

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/SpainBasket/article3670207.ece/BINARY/w620/ss.jpg

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/ElladaBasket/EthnikiBasket/vasilh-den-exoyme-logia.3669937.html

Greek League Player's Association:

"The Association of Paid Basketball Players thanks Vassilis Spanoulis, for his HUGE contribution to the national team. We cannot describe the emotion we felt, listening to a legend of Greek and European basketball, announcing his retirement from our national team. Indeed, the thank you is very little, as we have no words. Vassilis gave us so much, and we owe him a lifetime!".

http://www.sport24.gr/Basket/ItalyBasket/article3669929.ece/BINARY/w620/Vspan.jpg

Real Men Wear Green
09-19-2015, 04:03 PM
You forgot the Jeff Van Gundy quote:

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/04/25/45/1136977/3/920x920.jpg

KNOW1EDGE
09-19-2015, 04:29 PM
NBA MAX contract coming soon. :bowdown:

outbreak
09-19-2015, 04:43 PM
Did you accidently post this in the nba forum? Pm a mod to move it for you please.

CavaliersFTW
09-20-2015, 10:13 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sBlTUHrIonQ/maxresdefault.jpg

Smoke117
09-20-2015, 10:15 PM
I wonder if euroleague realizes that almost everyone besides Pau he brought up isn't even good enough to play in the NBA...or if they did come to the states and play here they'd be bench warmers. I opened this thread knowing he was going to be full of shit...but as I skimmed through his OP and saw these nobodies he was naming all I could do was laugh. "greek national team player" LOL.

red1
09-20-2015, 10:18 PM
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USABall
09-20-2015, 10:20 PM
Sad to see such a great player leaving the international scene. Dude straight tore up the USA in 2006 as a PnR centerpiece, and hit several key shots. Other members of Greece are able to shine because of the focus that coaches put on stopping Vassilis.

It's a shame because I was hoping I could see the USA have a decent fight at the 2016 Olympics versus Greece with him on the team. The only Eurobasket game they lost was versus the victor of the tournament, and it was a close call. Now the USA will likely mop the floor with the competition (betting on the fact that either A: Greece won't qualify via the 3 chances in the qualifier, or B: they do qualify and don't have enough leadership) and we will have to wait until 2019/2020 for real competition.

DavisIsMyUniBro
09-20-2015, 10:24 PM
[QUOTE=Euroleague]ISH trolls, especially the Greek ones that are Panathinaikos (Spanoulis' ex team - its fans are so butt hurt that they would make Richard Simmons blush) only fan scum and lunatic hooligans, claim that Vassilis Spanoulis is, "the worst player in the history of the universe", "a Euro scrub", "someone that could never make the NBA", "high school players in the USA are better than him", "people at the local rec league are better than him", etc.

This is and other such comments are said here thousands of times, by dozens of posters.

I have been branded a "lunatic, nutcase, Euro ******, insane, crazy, liar", etc. and many other such insults, for saying none of that is true, and that in fact, he is one of the greatest European players ever, not just Euroleague players, but European players ever, and that this is universally accepted as a fact in Europe by basketball experts.

Now that Spanoulis has retired, the TRUTH comes out, and I am vindicated. If he was such a "worthless, no name scrub", then FIBA would not be writing all kinds of articles about him retiring. Every language in sports would not be writing articles about it in sports media, and paying tributes to his greatness.

All over Europe, they would not be discussing his legacy in the sport........if he was "a POS Euro bum".

Just an example, of some comments:

http://www.eurohoops.net/2015/09/eurobasket/127245

Alessandro Gentile (Italian national team player / Houston Rockets draft pick - so the Houston Rockets scum hater fan base can go burn in hell):

stalkerforlife
09-20-2015, 10:27 PM
Probably could've been a stud in the NBA, but the NBA is a brotherhood and the politics put an end to many careers.

Dude is a legend.

Smoke117
09-20-2015, 10:28 PM
Probably could've been a stud in the NBA, but the NBA is a brotherhood and the politics put an end to many careers.

Dude is a legend.

Stick to your youtube videos, child. I still find it amazing that any woman could have allowed you to penetrate her. In nearly 6k post you have not said anything worthy of a real basketball discussion. You are just cringe worthy. When we laugh...we are laughing AT YOU..not with you.

ralph_i_el
09-20-2015, 10:35 PM
Let's be real, vspan was a really great player and could definitely have been a stud in the NBA in the right situation. His ability to change pace was crazy. Take a chance and watch some of his footage, he basically let's the defender beat themself. Obviously this is predicated on a great ability to shoot. He had some crazy sick passes through traffic too.

stalkerforlife
09-20-2015, 10:36 PM
Stick to your youtube videos, child. I still find it amazing that any woman could have allowed you to penetrate her. In nearly 6k post you have not said anything worthy of a real basketball discussion. You are just cringe worthy. When we laugh...we are laughing AT YOU..not with you.

He mad.

Smoke117
09-20-2015, 10:38 PM
Let's be real, vspan was a really great player and could definitely have been a stud in the NBA in the right situation. His ability to change pace was crazy. Take a chance and watch some of his footage, he basically let's the defender beat themself. Obviously this is predicated on a great ability to shoot. He had some crazy sick passes through traffic too.

Just no. I'm not saying he isn't a skilled basketball player, but skill means nothing at the epitome of athleticism when you have none...he's great in the euroleague because the athletes are a similar to what he has to offer in this regard. He came to the NBA and saw that his skill wasn't enough to compete because the players at this elite NBA level are just too much for him athletically. He could have joined a shit team that allowed him to do whatever he wanted and he would still have been a joke in the NBA.

outbreak
09-20-2015, 10:39 PM
Let's be real, vspan was a really great player and could definitely have been a stud in the NBA in the right situation. His ability to change pace was crazy. Take a chance and watch some of his footage, he basically let's the defender beat themself. Obviously this is predicated on a great ability to shoot. He had some crazy sick passes through traffic too.

From what I've heard he didn't want to put in the work to prove himself in the NBA. Euroleague is right in some ways that in Houston he wasn't give full opportunities to show what he can do but that came after he had practice issues and threw hissy fits about not being the star and starter. The guys got a major ego and it's the same thing that's kept him from coming back to the NBA, he wants an immediate star level deal and wants to be the number one option from day one and based on his previous NBA experience he doesn't deserve that.

inclinerator
09-20-2015, 11:22 PM
he averages 10 points per game in a 30 game season

Rooster
09-20-2015, 11:53 PM
You forgot the Jeff Van Gundy quote:

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/04/25/45/1136977/3/920x920.jpg

VSpan: Give me minutes, I'm the Tmac of Europe.:pimp:

JVG: we have the real Tmac here. Sit your ass down, you turnover machine.:banghead:

KembaWalker
09-21-2015, 12:11 AM
He's an ugly fk ay

ralph_i_el
09-21-2015, 12:12 AM
Just no. I'm not saying he isn't a skilled basketball player, but skill means nothing at the epitome of athleticism when you have none...he's great in the euroleague because the athletes are a similar to what he has to offer in this regard. He came to the NBA and saw that his skill wasn't enough to compete because the players at this elite NBA level are just too much for him athletically. He could have joined a shit team that allowed him to do whatever he wanted and he would still have been a joke in the NBA.

Plenty of guys get by in the NBA with less athleticism
Plus, he's a big point. He's like Deron Williams size, and he's wasn't any less athletic. Jose Calderon is a starter in this league....

Smoke117
09-21-2015, 12:19 AM
Plenty of guys get by in the NBA with less athleticism
Plus, he's a big point. He's like Deron Williams size, and he's wasn't any less athletic. Jose Calderon is a starter in this league....

...and in 10 seasons these teams he started for have a total of 2 winning seasons. Next...?

ClipperRevival
09-21-2015, 12:34 AM
What is the point of your thread OP? The guy was a great player in the Euroleague. The same league were a below average NBA player in Anthony Parker won two Euroleague MVPs. The NBA is the highest level. No way does he have the same impact in the NBA. Are you going to dispute this?

ralph_i_el
09-21-2015, 12:35 AM
...and in 10 seasons these teams he started for have a total of 2 winning seasons. Next...?
Ok? He was still a good player, and he's not as good as Vspan

ClipperRevival
09-21-2015, 12:41 AM
Players in the NBA aren't necessarily the most skilled. They are there because they are a certain height and possess a certain level of athleticism. Skills alone doesn't get you to the NBA. The most skilled player to ever live would get destroyed in the NBA if he's 5'6" and not very athletic. He could do everything perfectly yet the disparity in height, length and athleticism would just overwhelm whatever this guy does.

ralph_i_el
09-21-2015, 12:43 AM
Players in the NBA aren't necessarily the most skilled. They are there because they are a certain height and possess a certain level of athleticism. Skills alone doesn't get you to the NBA. The most skilled player to ever live would get destroyed in the NBA if he's 5'6" and not very athletic. He could do everything perfectly yet the disparity in height, length and athleticism would just overwhelm whatever this guy does.
Yes, but this guy was a 6'4" 210 point guard with quick feet.

ClipperRevival
09-21-2015, 12:51 AM
Yes, but this guy was a 6'4" 210 point guard with quick feet.

The guy can obviously play. Euroleague is a high level of basketball. I'm just saying he won't have nearly the same impact in the NBA as he did in the Euroleague.

ralph_i_el
09-21-2015, 12:53 AM
The guy can obviously play. Euroleague is a high level of basketball. I'm just saying he won't have nearly the same impact in the NBA as he did in the Euroleague.
Obviously. He was the best player some seasons in the Euroleague. He might not have ever been an NBA all-star, but he definitely could play.

Derka
09-21-2015, 10:07 AM
Should be in the International forum. All anyone's going to do is reference his failed stint in the NBA and they'd be right to do so since this is an NBA forum.

PS - EL, you are far and away the cat's ass when it comes to trolling. The rage you bring out in people and the absurd, over-the-top way in which you express your own rage is award-worthy.

Coach Eddie
09-21-2015, 02:29 PM
OP, it all comes down to Spanoulis not doing shit in the best league in the world. Until he does something worthwhile there, nobody will care.

robert de niro
09-21-2015, 03:05 PM
[QUOTE=Euroleague]
Alessandro Gentile

Coach Eddie
09-21-2015, 03:26 PM
Euroleague is essentially the international version of the d-league. Some make it to the NBA, some don't. The only real difference is it pays more so the betas can run back to it if they suck in the NBA.

ralph_i_el
09-21-2015, 04:41 PM
Euroleague is essentially the international version of the d-league. Some make it to the NBA, some don't. The only real difference is it pays more so the betas can run back to it if they suck in the NBA.

The EL has veterans and teams actually care about playing with good strategy and winning games. The D-league is for young prospects mostly and teams don't care as much about winning as opposed to scouting their own players. EL teams would SHIT on D-league teams, but that doesn't mean there aren't D-leaguers who would be great EL players....remember, some of those guys are future NBA players.

jamal99
09-21-2015, 04:58 PM
The EL has veterans and teams actually care about playing with good strategy and winning games. The D-league is for young prospects mostly and teams don't care as much about winning as opposed to scouting their own players. EL teams would SHIT on D-league teams, but that doesn't mean there aren't D-leaguers who would be great EL players....remember, some of those guys are future NBA players.
Understatement.

EL is the 2nd best basketball league in the world, and D-League is like semi-pro level, so not even close.

But that guy is probably a troll, so no point in discussing it...

Euroleague
09-22-2015, 09:27 PM
I would too :oldlol:

Gentile was raised as a Panathinaikos fan (the rival and ex team of Spanoulis - most consider it craziest rivalry in sports world), so for him to say Spanoulis is his idol, really shows what kind of impact Spanoulis had on young players in Europe.

And Gentile is not just a nobody in basketball. In fact, the Rockets have tried to sign him several times already. That's just one example of a player Spanoulis influenced.

Antetokounmpo brothers both said in the past that they idolized Spanoulis also. They are both playing in the NBA now.

So he had an impact to NBA, without even being there.

Euroleague
09-22-2015, 09:29 PM
he averages 10 points per game in a 30 game season

I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but Olympiacos (Spanoulis' team) plays about 80 games a season.

And he usually averages around 15 points a game or something like that.

Which is usually in the top 2-5 of the league in scoring, since it's harder to score in European basketball.

ralph_i_el
09-22-2015, 09:31 PM
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but Olympiacos (Spanoulis' team) plays about 80 games a season.

And he usually averages around 15 points a game or something like that.

Which is usually in the top 2-5 of the league in scoring, since it's harder to score in European basketball.

^true.

I used to make fun of you man, but I started watching Euro ball and realized a lot of what you say is true.

consider this my apology.

plowking
09-22-2015, 09:39 PM
Anyone notice how all the comments from all these players have one thing in common?

So much praise, talk about how nice and how great he was.... In Europe.

Nothing about dominating basketball as a whole. Just... Europe.


You don't hear players like Kobe, Lebron, Durant, Jordan, Bird, etc being praised for how good they are at basketball... In America. :oldlol:

They're just great basketball players.

SpecialQue
09-22-2015, 10:43 PM
I create a thread in the OTC about the ISH Wiki page and Jeff deletes it.

Euroleague makes it a habit to create thread after thread about non-NBA bullshit, and not only does Jeff keep it up, but he'll sometimes delete negative posts and scold ISH members for telling EL to put his shit in the appropriate sub forum.

No poster on ISH is as protected as Euroleague. No wonder he's always bitching like an entitled baby when people mock him.

Koresh
09-23-2015, 03:11 PM
I am so excited to see V-Span on the Spurs this year!!

Oh wait......

:roll: :lol :oldlol: :D :facepalm :biggums:

SpanishACB
09-24-2015, 03:26 AM
I'm not sure where you are getting your info, but Olympiacos (Spanoulis' team) plays about 80 games a season.

And he usually averages around 15 points a game or something like that.

Which is usually in the top 2-5 of the league in scoring, since it's harder to score in European basketball.



He averages 14 in the euroleague, which is a super small sample size compared to an actual season.

In the regular season, where he plays most games, he's closer to 10ppg on average with Olympiacos.

half truths :no:

Euroleague
09-24-2015, 10:43 PM
He averages 14 in the euroleague, which is a super small sample size compared to an actual season.

In the regular season, where he plays most games, he's closer to 10ppg on average with Olympiacos.

half truths :no:

His career average in Euroleague is 14, over 200 games. That's not a small sample size. And he averaged between 14-17 a game every year since 2011.

I don't know what you mean by "regular season"............but you are full of shit. The Euroleague is broken down into stages of the single season. So the average of points per game is just that. There is no such thing as a "regular season" in Euroleague. It's just the first group stage of games.

I don't know why some trolls like you and Outbreak try to push this one particular troll lie so much.

If you are talking about Greek League.........the best players are always rested or the ball is taken away from them during the season until the finals.

He is used basically just as a passer and nothing more in Greek League, where they are trying to involve more players. So if you are using that as an example, that is bullshit.

If he was playing in the 3-5 best teams in Greece (Eurocup clubs) he would average like 25-30 a game in Greek League and I'm not even exaggerating. I'm dead serious.

Vezenkov averaged 17 a game playing in Aris, so Spanoulis would have averaged 30 a game in the same team.

He barely even tries to shoot in Greek League. The only time he is ever looking to score is in Euroleague. If you had ever seen a Euroleague game, or had any concept of how it works, you would understand that. You would know that the biggest clubs and players are taking it easy in their national leagues, except for in the important games.

SpanishACB
09-27-2015, 05:18 AM
You said 80 games a season

Spanoulis has never averaged anything remotely close to 14ppg through 80 games

more like 10

next

outbreak
09-27-2015, 07:36 AM
His career average in Euroleague is 14, over 200 games. That's not a small sample size. And he averaged between 14-17 a game every year since 2011.

I don't know what you mean by "regular season"............but you are full of shit. The Euroleague is broken down into stages of the single season. So the average of points per game is just that. There is no such thing as a "regular season" in Euroleague. It's just the first group stage of games.

I don't know why some trolls like you and Outbreak try to push this one particular troll lie so much.

If you are talking about Greek League.........the best players are always rested or the ball is taken away from them during the season until the finals.

He is used basically just as a passer and nothing more in Greek League, where they are trying to involve more players. So if you are using that as an example, that is bullshit.

If he was playing in the 3-5 best teams in Greece (Eurocup clubs) he would average like 25-30 a game in Greek League and I'm not even exaggerating. I'm dead serious.

Vezenkov averaged 17 a game playing in Aris, so Spanoulis would have averaged 30 a game in the same team.

He barely even tries to shoot in Greek League. The only time he is ever looking to score is in Euroleague. If you had ever seen a Euroleague game, or had any concept of how it works, you would understand that. You would know that the biggest clubs and players are taking it easy in their national leagues, except for in the important games.

My info and links come from the euroleague official website. I guess they are known as trolls too? They gave out the regular season mvo award got deny existed