That time Mj was almost a Clipper, Twice!

[sdot_thadon]

Never heard this story before, add it to the little known side of the nba.

1st time was a pre draft trade that fell through.

http://clipperholics.com/2015/09/19/know-michael-jordan-almost-clipper/


The second attempt to trade for Jordan came at a later date, during a time where the Bulls’ brass began to question whether Jordan’s style of play was conducive to winning a NBA championship. “There was a large dividing line among Bulls management that led to a theory that the team would “never win a title because Jordan’s style of one-on-one play




Jordan was coming off of being the Most Valuable Player, Defensive Player of the Year, and the league’s leading scorer during the 1987-1988 season, but the Bulls were still close to dealing him away for two high draft picks. Ultimately, Jerry Reinsdorf told Donald Sterling that he would not be going through with the deal. Why? Quite simply, Michael Jordan was too profitable and too talented for the Bulls to toss to the side.

Sterling at least tried to make one good move as owner, MJ was nearly traded for a chance at a
Pippen
Smits
Oakley
Grant
Richmond/KJ
Core? Crazy.

[theoneneo]

What? This was a good move? How?:biggums:

Goddamn this website went to shit in the last two years.

[sdot_thadon]

What? This was a good move? How?:biggums:

Goddamn this website went to shit in the last two years.
In what way was this not a good move for sterling, the Clippers owner?

This site sure did go to shit......:biggums:

[Coach Eddie]

Sterling nixed the deal because Jordan played too "black."

[sdot_thadon]

Sterling nixed the deal because Jordan played too "black."
:oldlol:

[dab0yech0]

As a lifelong Clipper fan, I know Sterling would've somehow surrounded MJ with the worst supporting cast in the league

[lil jahlil]

As a lifelong Clipper fan, I know Sterling would've somehow surrounded MJ with the worst supporting cast in the league

He was a cheap son of a bitch for most of his tenure.

[3ball]

a theory that the Bulls could “never win a title because Jordan’s style of one-on-one play


MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls because he had good efficiency at high shot volume

Since he was the NBA's scoring leader for 10 seasons in a row, including all 6 Bulls championship seasons, MJ's teams would have no chance for success if he didn't have great efficiency at high shot volume, including the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooting (i.e. you can't get 27 fga on all 3-and-D).

MJ's good efficiency at high shot volume is a stark contrast to the so-called best player in today's game - Lebron James - he shoots a horrible percentage at high volume because he's bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooting.. In the regular season and playoffs, Lebron's isolation FG% was 40.1% (117th out of 350) and 33.0% (35th out of 40), respectively, and we know he is a career 35% midrange shooter.
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[Rocketswin2013]

Pretty incredible how similar to Chamberlain everything around and about Jordan was before Jackson. I never even knew about this.


Half the front office was ready to trade him BEFORE his epic stat padding season and killing a coach virtually everyone liked in Collins. I bet they were questioning that decision after he got his ass kicked again by Jordan rules the next year. :lol:

[3ball]

a theory that the Bulls could “never win a title because Jordan’s style of one-on-one play


MJ's 1-on-1 also worked because it usually came AFTER running off-ball, so he didn't use live-dribbles as often - his lack of ball-dominance allowed the Bulls to run an equal-opportunity offense (triangle):


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-21-2015/02jy9L.gif


MJ could've taken the easy, stat-friendly route by employing a playground, ball-dominant style that forces teammates to adjust their game to him... But instead, MJ's off-ball ability allowed the Bulls' to run an equal-opportunity offense that required ALL players to play off-ball and not use live dribbles extensively - if MJ had been a pg-style, ball-dominator that used live dribbles, the triangle would never have worked.

MJ's off-ball game allowed his teams to play an equal-opportunity offense and the best brand of basketball, which meant that equal or less-talented opponents could never pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball - MJ's teams were never upset by equal or lesser talented teams.

Otoh, Lebron's presence as an additional, low-assisted ball-dominator (in addition to the PG) creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (90's Bulls, Spurs, Kerr's Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).



FYI...

It's a statistical fact (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) that Lebron's ball-dominant style significantly lowered the APG and assist percentage of Dwayne Wade, Kyrie Irving, Mo Williams, Kevin Love and Chris Bosh - these guys went from playmakers that generated action and got assists, to play-finishers that didn't make plays or get assists.. Their lower assist rates explains why Lebron's TEAMS have always had very low assist frequency (as the stats linked above show).

Btw, it takes more ability to achieve great stats within an equal-opportunity, winning framework like MJ did, than the grade school-level, clearout/playground style that ball-dominators like Lebron need to get their numbers.

[DonDadda59]

Hakeem, Jordan, and Drexler (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/529731-what-if-jordan-hakeem-and-drexler-played-together-with-the-houston-rockets) Almost became teammates in 1984.

Lawd have mercy would they have absolutely raped the league for decades. 15 straight championships.

[sdot_thadon]

Hakeem, Jordan, and Drexler (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/529731-what-if-jordan-hakeem-and-drexler-played-together-with-the-houston-rockets) Almost became teammates in 1984.

Lawd have mercy would they have absolutely raped the league for decades. 15 straight championships.
I thought this would get a mention too, hell yeah. I'd have had a front row seat here for that dynasty. Favorite what if team of all time.


Pretty incredible how similar to Chamberlain everything around and about Jordan was before Jackson. I never even knew about this.


Half the front office was ready to trade him BEFORE his epic stat padding season and killing a coach virtually everyone liked in Collins. I bet they were questioning that decision after he got his ass kicked again by Jordan rules the next year. :lol:
Yeah somewhere in the story Collins himself told management they couldn't win with jordan.


wgaf

Bro, nobody gives a damn what you're talking about, you're probably pushing 100 threads about that go post in one of those. Stupid is a state of mind, there's still time for you.:coleman:

[3ball]

Bro, nobody gives a damn what you're talking about


You're the #1 responder to my posts - we can ask the mods who responds the most - but I already know it's you.

[sdot_thadon]

You're the #1 responder to my posts - we can ask the mods who responds the most - but I already know it's you.
In the lebron/mj threads i do respond often, don't have a problem admitting that. Sometimes the discussion can be interesting.

THIS, however is not a lebron thread. So I the context of this thread wgaf? I respond about lebron/mj in lebron mj threads. You're sick dude. Get help.

[3ball]

In the lebron/mj threads i do respond often, don't have a problem admitting that. Sometimes the discussion can be interesting.

THIS, however is not a lebron thread. So I the context of this thread wgaf? I respond about lebron/mj in lebron mj threads. You're sick dude. Get help.
My posts were relevant to the thread - MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls because he had good efficiency at high shot volume.. Since he was the NBA's scoring leader for 10 straight seasons, including all 6 Bulls championships, MJ's teams would have no chance for success if he didn't have great efficiency at high shot volume, including the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooting (i.e. you can't get 27 fga on all 3-and-D).

And of course, there's nothing wrong with comparing MJ's 1-on-1 success to today's so-called best player, since there's such a stark contrast.. Lebron shoots a horrible percentage at high volume because he's bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooting.. In the regular season and playoffs, Lebron's isolation FG% was 40.1% (117th out of 350) and 33.0% (35th out of 40), respectively, and we know he is a career 35% midrange shooter.

Lebron's inability to shoot well at high volume means his 1-on-1 DOESN'T work for his team like MJ's did.

[ShawkFactory]

My posts were relevant to the thread - MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls because he had good efficiency at high shot volume.. Since he was the NBA's scoring leader for 10 straight seasons, including all 6 Bulls championships, MJ's teams would have no chance for success if he didn't have great efficiency at high shot volume, including the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooting (i.e. you can't get 27 fga on all 3-and-D).

And of course, there's nothing wrong with comparing MJ's 1-on-1 success to today's so-called best player, since there's such a stark contrast.. Lebron shoots a horrible percentage at high volume because he's bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooting.. In the regular season and playoffs, Lebron's isolation FG% was 40.1% (117th out of 350) and 33.0% (35th out of 40), respectively, and we know he is a career 35% midrange shooter.

Lebron's inability to shoot well at high volume means his 1-on-1 DOESN'T work for his team like MJ's did.
Literally has nothing to do with the thread.

[3ball]

Literally has nothing to do with the thread.


It's totally relevant - oh, and ANOTHER reason MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls is because it usually came AFTER running off-ball, so he didn't use live-dribbles as often - his lack of ball-dominance allowed the Bulls to run an equal-opportunity offense (triangle).

MJ could've taken the easy, stat-friendly route by employing a playground, ball-dominant style that forces teammates to adjust their game to him... But instead, MJ's off-ball ability allowed the Bulls' to run an equal-opportunity offense that required ALL players to play off-ball and not use live dribbles extensively - if MJ had been a pg-style, ball-dominator that used live dribbles, the triangle would never have worked.

MJ's off-ball game allowed his teams to play an equal-opportunity offense and the best brand of basketball, which meant that equal or less-talented opponents could never pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball - MJ's teams were never upset by equal or lesser talented teams.

Otoh, Lebron's presence as an additional, low-assisted ball-dominator (in addition to the PG) creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (90's Bulls, Spurs, Kerr's Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

[sdot_thadon]

So this is how you manage to get banned so many times from different sites.

[ShawkFactory]

It's totally relevant - oh, and ANOTHER reason MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls is because it usually came AFTER running off-ball, so he didn't use live-dribbles as often - his lack of ball-dominance allowed the Bulls to run an equal-opportunity offense (triangle).

MJ could've taken the easy, stat-friendly route by employing a playground, ball-dominant style that forces teammates to adjust their game to him... But instead, MJ's off-ball ability allowed the Bulls' to run an equal-opportunity offense that required ALL players to play off-ball and not use live dribbles extensively - if MJ had been a pg-style, ball-dominator that used live dribbles, the triangle would never have worked.

MJ's off-ball game allowed his teams to play an equal-opportunity offense and the best brand of basketball, which meant that equal or less-talented opponents could never pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball - MJ's teams were never upset by equal or lesser talented teams.

Otoh, Lebron's presence as an additional, low-assisted ball-dominator (in addition to the PG) creates an inequitable distribution of playmaking that prevents the kind of equal-opportunity offenses that all the great teams use (90's Bulls, Spurs, Kerr's Warriors)... Since Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from playing the best brand of basketball, equal or less-talented opponents are able to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).
Copying and pasting things you've said 8 times before doesn't make your post any more relevant. Who do you think you're fooling? :oldlol:

[3ball]

So this is how you manage to get banned so many times from different sites.
By making posts that directly relate to the OP?

The OP says the Bulls management was divided on whether MJ's 1-on-1 play would work out for the Bulls... I merely explained why it did:

MJ had good efficiency at high shot volume, which is necessary for ANY team to succeed when they have a high volume scorer.. Otoh, we saw Lebron's 1-on-1 fail in the 2015 Finals because he COULDN'T shoot a good percentage at high volume - he's simply bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooters - this is statistical fact.

In addition to shooting well at high volume, MJ's 1-on-1 also succeeded because it usually came AFTER running off-ball, so he didn't use live-dribbles as often - his lack of ball-dominance allowed the Bulls to run an equal-opportunity offense (triangle) and therefore the best brand of basketball.. This is another stark contrast from today's so-called best player - Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from running equal-opportunity offenses and the best brand of basketball, which allows equal or less-talented opponents to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Also, there's a 3rd reason why MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls - MJ's off-ball style of play increased the APG and assist percentage of teammates like Pippen, while Lebron's ball-dominance craters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) the APG and assist % of his teammates (Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Mo Williams).. With Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS have lower assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446).

[sdot_thadon]

By making posts that directly relate to the OP?

The OP says the Bulls management was divided on whether MJ's 1-on-1 play would work out for the Bulls... I merely explained why it did:

MJ had good efficiency at high shot volume, which is necessary for ANY team to succeed when they have a high volume scorer.. Otoh, we saw Lebron's 1-on-1 fail in the 2015 Finals because he COULDN'T shoot a good percentage at high volume - he's simply bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooters - this is statistical fact.

In addition to shooting well at high volume, MJ's 1-on-1 also succeeded because it usually came AFTER running off-ball, so he didn't use live-dribbles as often - his lack of ball-dominance allowed the Bulls to run an equal-opportunity offense (triangle) and therefore the best brand of basketball.. This is another stark contrast from today's so-called best player - Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from running equal-opportunity offenses and the best brand of basketball, which allows equal or less-talented opponents to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Also, there's a 3rd reason why MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls - MJ's off-ball style of play increased the APG and assist percentage of teammates like Pippen, while Lebron's ball-dominance craters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) the APG and assist % of his teammates (Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Mo Williams).. With Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS have lower assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446).
Nope. By trying to fit your irrelevant agenda into every single other thread on the board. Have they ever banned you here?

[artificial]

I had no idea MJ was almost a Clipper... You have to wonder how Sterling's cheap management and losing culture could have potentially influenced Jordan.




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Stop bringing up Lebron. Lebron has nothing to do with this thread. Seriously.

[sdot_thadon]

I had no idea MJ was almost a Clipper... You have to wonder how Sterling's cheap management and losing culture could have potentially influenced Jordan.
Man could have been catastrophic, I'm surprised that the bulls were even considering trading him after the season he just put up though. I mean there are stories out there, but was he really that bad?

[Koresh]

Nope. By trying to fit your irrelevant agenda into every single other thread on the board. Have they ever banned you here?

He gets banned for a day....a DAY. People who are not even close to this *** are banned for months. He gets a day ban. All he does is spam and troll. It's like the mods don't want have the balls to do it. These "bans" are for us to shut up. "Yeah, we banned him, are you happy now?" **** no!

3BALL, YOU NEED HELP. YOUR OBSESSION WITH LEBRON IS SERIOUS. THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

Stop banning him for a day. Just stop him from posting or making threads, for Pete's sake. I can't even read threads without this cocksmith doing this. I hate your guts!

This was an awesome thread too, smh. Didn't know MJ was almost a Clipper.

[NZStreetBaller]

Im getting real sick of reading "equal opportunity offense"
And "ball dominance"

[sdot_thadon]

And off ball passing.
:rolleyes:

He gets banned for a day....a DAY. People who are not even close to this *** are banned for months. He gets a day ban. All he does is spam and troll. It's like the mods don't want have the balls to do it. These "bans" are for us to shut up. "Yeah, we banned him, are you happy now?" **** no!

3BALL, YOU NEED HELP. YOUR OBSESSION WITH LEBRON IS SERIOUS. THIS THREAD HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM.

Stop banning him for a day. Just stop him from posting or making threads, for Pete's sake. I can't even read threads without this cocksmith doing this. I hate your guts!

This was an awesome thread too, smh. Didn't know MJ was almost a Clipper.
Yeah, it's a shame. I figured he'd change it up after so many bans in other places I've been but he's seems worse here.

I wonder how the 90's could have went if he was traded to the clippers, we damn sure know he wouldn't have been able to win there. Too much sterling. Magic wins one more in 91 and is considered goat?:eek:

[CurryOverLebron]

And off ball passing.
:rolleyes:

Yeah, it's a shame. I figured he'd change it up after so many bans in other places I've been but he's seems worse here.

Link to other messageboards 3ball posts on + his username?

[3ball]

By making posts that directly relate to the OP?

The OP says the Bulls management was divided on whether MJ's 1-on-1 play would work out for the Bulls... I merely explained why it did:

MJ had good efficiency at high shot volume, which is necessary for ANY team to succeed when they have a high volume scorer.. Otoh, we saw Lebron's 1-on-1 fail in the 2015 Finals because he COULDN'T shoot a good percentage at high volume - he's simply bad at the additional 1-on-1 and midrange required of high volume shooters - this is statistical fact.

In addition to shooting well at high volume, MJ's 1-on-1 also succeeded because it usually came AFTER running off-ball, so he didn't use live-dribbles as often - his lack of ball-dominance allowed the Bulls to run an equal-opportunity offense (triangle) and therefore the best brand of basketball.. This is another stark contrast from today's so-called best player - Lebron's ball-dominance prevents his teams from running equal-opportunity offenses and the best brand of basketball, which allows equal or less-talented opponents to pull upsets by playing a better brand of basketball (2009, 2011, 2014).

Also, there's a 3rd reason why MJ's 1-on-1 ended up working for the Bulls - MJ's off-ball style of play increased the APG and assist percentage of teammates like Pippen, while Lebron's ball-dominance craters (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385841) the APG and assist % of his teammates (Wade, Love, Bosh, Kyrie, Mo Williams).. With Lebron's style decreasing the assists of teammates, it's no surprise that all his TEAMS have lower assist frequency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=385446).


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