Chicago sounds like a great place to Visit!!! love to go for a holiday there.....

[Marv_Albert]

Violent Weekend in Chicago

Eight people were killed and at least 45 people were wounded in shootings between Friday evening and early Monday, making it the second most violent weekend in Chicago this year.

The only weekend that was worse was July 3-6, when 57 people were shot, seven fatally, according to an analysis of Chicago Tribune data on shootings and homicides.

When compared with non-holiday weekends, this past weekend was the worst with 53 people shot. The next highest weekends were Aug. 8-10 with 48, May 15-18 with 46, and Aug. 21-24 with 43.

Peace event one day, death the next
The gun-related death of a young Chicago man is especially poignant for St. Sabina pastor Michael Pfleger. Sept. 21, 2015. (CBS Chicago)
Forty or more people were shot every weekend from July 24 to 27 to Aug. 28-31.

Since March, the number of gunshot victims has reached double digits every single weekend, according to the data. Since April 10-13, the number of gunshot victims has always been 25 or more.

Adding to the weekend's toll was one additional killing -- a 25-year-old man was found fatally stabbed at 10:30 a.m. Saturday in the 3500 block of West 24th Street in the city's Little Village neighborhood.

This weekend's shootings bring the year's total to at least 2,213, according to an analysis of a Chicago Tribune database. That's an increase of more than 350 over last year and more than 500 over 2013, according to Tribune data.

There were at least 365 homicide victims in Chicago through Monday morning this year, 53 more than last year and 38 more than 2013, according to a Tribune database on homicides.

Shooting at 44th and Greenwood
A police officer tries to console the father of a 14-year-old boy who was shot and killed near 44th Street and Greenwood Avenue in Chicago on Sept. 19, 2015. (Brian Nguyen / Chicago Tribune)
The most violent stretch this weekend occurred late Saturday morning into Sunday when five people were killed and 18 were wounded, including a 14-year-old boy who was shot to death Saturday evening in the North Kenwood neighborhood on the South Side.

At least 16 people were shot Friday night into early Saturday, and 14 people were shot late Sunday morning into early Monday morning.

The 14-year-old boy and a 15-year-old boy were on the street in the 4400 block of South Greenwood Avenue in the North Kenwood neighborhood when a car drove by and someone opened fire around 7:30 p.m. Saturday, according to police.

The 14-year-old, identified by his mother as Tyjuan Poindexter, was shot in the head and died at the scene. The 15-year-old boy, shot three times in the lower right leg and foot, was taken to Comer Children's Hospital, according to police.

An autopsy Sunday determined Tyjuan died of multiple gunshot wounds and his death was ruled a homicide, according to the Cook County medical examiner's office.

Just after 2 a.m. Sunday, one person was killed and at least five were wounded in a shooting in the Englewood neighborhood on the South Side, police said. A group was outside in the 5800 block of South LaSalle Street when people walked from an alley and began shooting.

Charles Lewis, 28, who police said lived in the 5700 block of South LaSalle Street, was pronounced dead at 4:28 a.m., according to the medical examiner's office. He was found in an alley after being shot in the chest, police said.

In other fatal shootings:

[KevinNYC]

so what exciting place do you live?

[Marv_Albert]

so what exciting place do you live?

New Zealand

[Akrazotile]

I thought having a black president was supposed to erase all these problems?


That's what the Democrats told me :(

[KNOW1EDGE]

I thought having a black president was supposed to erase all these problems?


That's what the Democrats told me :(

Nigs gonna nig

[KevinNYC]

New Zealand
Well Chicago has crime, but it also has a ton of people. About 60% of the population in New Zealand. So Chicago is not in the top 20 most dangerous cities in the US.

It's also centrally located and just up the highway from the Mexico/Texas border, so it's a big distribution spot for drugs. The shootings are mainly gangs fighting over distribution turf. It also means that its easy to avoid the crime.

[Im so nba'd out]

Nigs gonna nig
I try....I try my best not to be racist but then i see shit like this and i cant help it bruh



i try to be nice then i see post like this from this dirt ball azz white boy and i just lose it.Im sorry your dad molested u bruh but dont take it out on blacks

[code green]

I just came back from a business trip from Chicago. Had the worst pizza I've ever eaten there (it was impressively bad), and I came back with strep and a sinus infection.

[KevinNYC]

I thought having a black president was supposed to erase all these problems?


That's what the Democrats told me :(
Stop Wetting your pants. Here's the most recent full year figures.

http://plnami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2014/11/violent-crime.jpg

[KNOW1EDGE]

I try....I try my best not to be racist but then i see shit like this and i cant help it bruh



i try to be nice then i see post like this from this dirt ball azz white boy and i just lose it.Im sorry your dad molested u bruh but dont take it out on blacks

This literally had me busting up laughing. :lol

:bowdown:

But for real, every victim and every shooter was black, so my statement, although not politically correct, was indeed true. Nigs will in fact be nigs.

[Patrick Chewing]

#BlackLivesMatter

[Patrick Chewing]

Stop Wetting your pants. Here's the most recent full year figures.

http://plnami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2014/11/violent-crime.jpg


You and your charts are so full of shit.

[DeuceWallaces]

It is an incredible place to visit!

You need to worry about south side murders visiting Chicago as much as you have to be worried about Navy Yard and south Green Line murders when visiting DC.

[DeuceWallaces]

You and your charts are so full of shit.

Yeah, annual FBI violent crime statistics are bullshit.

Dumbass :rolleyes:

[CavaliersFTW]

Been there many times, Chiraq is the murder capitol and asshole of America. And if you think my opinion is biased this is coming from a guy who lives in Cleveland. It gets all the same shitty weather, suffers all the same sport franchise droughts and populace depression, and no matter how many buildings it has it is still just another ugly rust belt city built on industry that no longer exists that looks the same as any other rust belt city. Only you're 3 times more likely to get murdered.

[DeuceWallaces]

Been there many times, Chiraq is the murder capitol and asshole of America. And if you think my opinion is biased this is coming from a guy who lives in Cleveland. It gets all the same shitty weather, suffers all the same sport franchise droughts and populace depression, and no matter how many buildings it has it is still just another ugly rust belt city built on industry that no longer exists that looks the same as any other rust belt city. Only you're 3 times more likely to get murdered.

You're a jackass if you really believe that. The Mistake on the Lake calling out Chicago is a new one. :lol

[KevinNYC]

You and your charts are so full of shit.
BTW, you are legit going to be 10% of my Psych dissertation.


[I]In psychology, cognitive dissonance is the mental stress or discomfort experienced by an individual who holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values at the same time, or is confronted by new information that conflicts with existing beliefs, ideas, or values.[1][2]
Leon Festinger's theory of cognitive dissonance focuses on how humans strive for internal consistency. [B]An individual who experiences inconsistency (dissonance) tends to become psychologically uncomfortable, and is motivated to try to reduce this dissonance

[CavaliersFTW]

You're a jackass if you really believe that. The Mistake on the Lake calling out Chicago is a new one. :lol
You know what they say: You don't live in Chicago, you die there.

[BasedTom]

You know what they say: You don't live in Chicago, you die there.
At least Chicago and Detroit used to NOT be shitholes, once upon a time

cleveland has nothing

[KevinNYC]

Been there many times, Chiraq is the murder capitol And if you think my opinion is biased this is coming from a guy who lives in Cleveland. ...... you're 3 times more likely to get murdered.

Yes, that is what it is an opinion. And it's incorrect.

The truth is you 15% more likely to get murdered in Cleveland that Chicago. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2012)) *
21.3 is the murder rate per 100,000 in Cleveland. 18.5 is the rate in Chicago.

*2012 statistics were the only ones I could find.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yes, that is what it is an opinion. And it's incorrect.

The truth is you 15% more likely to get murdered in Cleveland that Chicago. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate_(2012))
21.3 is the murder rate per 100,000 in Cleveland. 18.5 is the rate in Chicago.
Actual murder rate = / = Reported statistics

Average life expectancy of a Chicago resident is about 9 stressful years. The Chicago politicians and police are as dangerous as the criminals fudging the statistics and hiding their dirty work.

[KevinNYC]

Actual murder rate = / = Reported statistics

Average life expectancy of a Chicago resident is about 9 stressful years. The Chicago politicians and police are as dangerous as the criminals fudging the statistics and hiding their dirty work.
dam u mad

that's a palindrome kids, feel free to use that one.

[lil jahlil]

I want to visit Chicago.

[Akrazotile]

Yeah, annual FBI violent crime statistics are bullshit.

Dumbass :rolleyes:


They may be accurate, but without context they're meaningless. You could present selective stats to someone unfamiliar with basketball and convince them Melo is better than Duncan. A chart with no context is worthless.


For instance this chart, from cdc.gov:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif

Demonstrates that homicide rates have gone basically nowhere for blacks (or whites) since 1998.

So "violent crime" is down. What does that mean? It could mean any number of things. For one, it could mean WHITE violent crime is down, and since whites are a numerical majority their numbers will effect the overall rate more than anyone. It also could mean crimes are simply being reported differently, or less. It's also possible that violent, non-homicide rates are down among all groups, including blacks. The point that what KevinNYC posted is simply another worthless chart geared solely toward a specific agenda. This guy is never, ever looking for real social answers. He is always, always looking to present a partisan slant.

[Akrazotile]

Also, the argument that "it's just in black neighborhoods, so why should whites cares" is absolute bullshit.

First of all, if you're someone who portends to NOT see color or discriminate the value of life on race, (as almost all liberals loudly, obnoxiously advertise themselves to be) then you shouldn't care about how it breaks down via race.

However, even if you do, a white murder victim is 80% likely to be murdered by another white. Those usually come from interaction between people who know each other, usually domestic situations etc. If you're a white person murdered randomly by a stranger, they're much more likely to be black. If you're a white person who just wants to simply visit Chicago, why tf would you not want this problem addressed? You're telling me if a family member falls victim to that random chance, you'll just shrug that shit off?

FURTHER, you realize that having to have entire swaths of neighborhood for violent, poor, undereducated people in otherwise prime spots of the city basically increases the property costs for everyone else who has to cram into the "gentrified" zones, right? And it increases the profitability for the few who own that land. Imagine if you removed all the criminal elements from these cities and rebuilt the areas? Much more affordable for people who want to live near their work but also in a decent area. Why tf would you want entire sections of cities to basically be uninhabitable war zones? It congests all the decent places and makes them more expensive.

Only if you're a retarded, "let me be sensitive so people think i'm important" fakkit. Bitchmade fakkit. Pu$$y ass, beta, weak, insecure, homoerotic fakkit POS.

[KevinNYC]

Also, the argument that "it's just in black neighborhoods, so why should whites cares" is absolute bullshit.

First of all, if you're someone who portends to NOT see color or discriminate the value of life on race, (as almost all liberals loudly, obnoxiously advertise themselves to be) then you shouldn't care about how it breaks down via race.

However, even if you do, a white murder victim is 80% likely to be murdered by another white. Those usually come from interaction between people who know each other, usually domestic situations etc. If you're a white person murdered randomly by a stranger, they're much more likely to be black. If you're a white person who just wants to simply visit Chicago, why tf would you not want this problem addressed? You're telling me if a family member falls victim to that random chance, you'll just shrug that shit off?

FURTHER, you realize that having to have entire swaths of neighborhood for violent, poor, undereducated people in otherwise prime spots of the city basically increases the property costs for everyone else who has to cram into the "gentrified" zones, right? And it increases the profitability for the few who own that land. Imagine if you removed all the criminal elements from these cities and rebuilt the areas? Much more affordable for people who want to live near their work but also in a decent area. Why tf would you want entire sections of cities to basically be uninhabitable war zones? It congests all the decent places and makes them more expensive.

Only if you're a retarded, "let me be sensitive so people think i'm important" fakkit. Bitchmade fakkit. Pu$$y ass, beta, weak, insecure, homoerotic fakkit POS.

lol portends :roll:

[KevinNYC]

in 1997 the murder rate nationally was 6.8 per 100,000 in 2013, the last year of full stats, it was 4.5. So the murder rate was 50% higher in 1997 than 2013.

[Akrazotile]

lol portends :roll:



Definition
transitive verb
1 :to give an omen or anticipatory sign of
2 :indicate, signify

http://i.word.com/idictionary/portend


Problem?


Yes, just one. Youre a hack who everybody here sees through.

Great rebuttal tho. You attempted (apparently) to point out incorrect word use without taking a moment to look it up yourself.

Pretty much right in line with your general value here.

[Akrazotile]

in 1997 the murder rate nationally was 6.8 per 100,000 in 2013, the last year of full stats, it was 4.5. So the murder rate was 50% higher in 1997 than 2013.


Did you not look at the chart I posted? There was a consequential drop in the late 90s and its been basically consistent ever since. A large chunk of that 50% difference is from 97 to 98. The last 15 years theres been basically no improvement in a country still full of homicide.

But since youre a political bot and not a reasonable person I guess that only matters to you if it has convenient political connotations.

:facepalm Youre such a disgrace.

[KevinNYC]

Did you not look at the chart I posted? There was a consequential drop in the late 90s and its been basically consistent ever since. A large chunk of that 50% difference is from 97 to 98. The last 15 years theres been basically no improvement in a country still full of homicide.

But since youre a political bot and not a reasonable person I guess that only matters to you if it has convenient political connotations.

:facepalm Youre such a disgrace.

You're going to have one of your meltdown moments aren't you. You don't even know the context of what you posted. That chart is not for the total population.

"The rate inched down about 1 percent a year, on average, from 2000 to 2010, the CDC found."

"The study showed youth homicide rates fell across the board – in males, females, whites, blacks and Hispanics. "

"In 2012, homicide fell off the nation’s top 15 causes of death for the first time in almost half a century."


Total Estimated "murder and nonnegligent manslaughter" in the US


1998............................16,974
2012............................14,827

There's a drop of 2150 in murders, but there's a much bigger percentage drop in the murder rate because in 2012 there's about 38 million more Americans

1998.............6.3
2012.............4.7

Here's the FBI data tool
http://www.ucrdatatool.gov/Search/Crime/State/TrendsInOneVar.cfm



also you're still quite wrong on portend.

[Akrazotile]

You're going to have one of your meltdown moments aren't you. You don't even know the context of what you posted. That chart is not for the total population.




The chart I posted didn't specify whether it was or wasn't for the total population.

Just as the one you posted about violent crime did not.

See how simply posting the chart of your choosing does not cement your viewpoint as valid?


Which is my point. Not to debate the crime rate stats, which, again could be interpreted in a multitude of ways. Just like those "gun death" stats that people push to create the perception of a violent gun culture while purposely withholding the fact that suicide deaths make up a large part of the stats.

Crime rates are notoriously difficult to pin down accurately. And stats without context are next to meaningless. I don't doubt that they're going down, I also don't doubt that the represented degree of decline is not accurate. I certainly hope they're going down and that they continue to do so.

But there's a whole lot of dead people in Chicago this year whose families probably don't take a lot of solace in some statistical charts. Would you like to discuss issues and solutions? No, of course you wouldn't. All you do is post charts and quotes. You never have any ideas. You never have any personal takes. You never make a case for anything in your own words. It's always agenda-driven statistical cherry-picking and one-sided article references. You're literally a DNC spambot. It's not like I'm the only one that's noticed it.

But do you homie.

[warriorfan]

CavFTW's selling point on Clevland.

"You have less chance of being murdered than in Chicago"

Dude needs to start selling real estate

[FreezingTsmoove]

I still have no idea how a top 10 ranked college worldwide is located right next to the Chicago ghetto

And i dont understand how the students say its not that bad...just dont go out at night

[KevinNYC]

The chart I posted didn't specify whether it was or wasn't for the total population.

Just as the one you posted about violent crime did not.

See how simply posting the chart of your choosing does not cement your viewpoint as valid?


Which is my point. Not to debate the crime rate stats, which, again could be interpreted in a multitude of ways. Just like those "gun death" stats that people push to create the perception of a violent gun culture while purposely withholding the fact that suicide deaths make up a large part of the stats.

Crime rates are notoriously difficult to pin down accurately. And stats without context are next to meaningless. I don't doubt that they're going down, I also don't doubt that the represented degree of decline is not accurate. I certainly hope they're going down and that they continue to do so.

But there's a whole lot of dead people in Chicago this year whose families probably don't take a lot of solace in some statistical charts. Would you like to discuss issues and solutions? No, of course you wouldn't. All you do is post charts and quotes. You never have any ideas. You never have any personal takes. You never make a case for anything in your own words. It's always agenda-driven statistical cherry-picking and one-sided article references. You're literally a DNC spambot. It's not like I'm the only one that's noticed it.

But do you homie.

Are you ****ing kidding me? You came into this thread to stroke the hard on you have about black people and Democrats.


I thought having a black president was supposed to erase all these problems?
That's what the Democrats told me

And I posted the violent crime rates during the time you PICKED,

http://plnami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2014/11/violent-crime.jpg

and yes this is total nation wide offenses and it is the correct context. you didn't even know what your own chart was showing. And it led you to make this false claim

Demonstrates that homicide rates have gone basically nowhere for blacks (or whites) since 1998.

and then you claim my entirely accurate chart was worthless.....and claimed my accuracy was agenda driven. And you missing point after point after point is, what, searching for solutions?

[warriorfan]

I still have no idea how a top 10 ranked college worldwide is located right next to the Chicago ghetto

And i dont understand how the students say its not that bad...just dont go out at night

Yeah I was talking to someone who goes there recently. He said they got a fat penthouse for dirt cheap but no one ever goes out.

[Akrazotile]

[QUOTE=KevinNYC]

"The rate inched down about 1 percent a year, on average, from 2000 to 2010, the CDC found."

"The study showed youth homicide rates fell across the board

[Akrazotile]

I still have no idea how a top 10 ranked college worldwide is located right next to the Chicago ghetto

And i dont understand how the students say its not that bad...just dont go out at night


Nationally REPORTED violent crime rates are down by a percentage point, bro.

Shit's all good. You can go out at night.

Ask KevNYC.

[TripleA]

Nationally REPORTED violent crime rates are down by a percentage point, bro.

Shit's all good. You can go out at night.

Ask KevNYC.

Chicago is a violent ass city republicans and democrats having power won't change Anything.

[Bucket_Nakedz]

It's simple. When the bulls win championships, the city becomes a beacon of peace. But as long as the ****** ass owner Reinsdorf runs the team, the city will forever be in the midst of violence. The only way to rectify this is by bringing Anthony Davis back home free of charge, and make Michael Jordan the sole owner of the bulls. He will then shut down the hornets and sell the rights to Seattle so the supersonics can have a team once again. All is well...

[dunksby]

Stop Wetting your pants. Here's the most recent full year figures.

http://plnami.blob.core.windows.net/media/2014/11/violent-crime.jpg
Owned :roll:

[warriorfan]

Why do you guys take so much stock in these bogus reports. There is no review there is no fact checking. There isn't such thing as an "independent study". If you are one collecting and processing this data you are getting paid by someone and that someone has an agenda for what the results are.

[warriorfan]

Why do you guys take so much stock in these bogus reports. There is no review there is no fact checking. There isn't such thing as an "independent study". If you are one collecting and processing this data you are getting paid by someone and that someone has an agenda for what the results are.

[ThePhantomCreep]

They may be accurate, but without context they're meaningless. You could present selective stats to someone unfamiliar with basketball and convince them Melo is better than Duncan. A chart with no context is worthless.


For instance this chart, from cdc.gov:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif

Demonstrates that homicide rates have gone basically nowhere for blacks (or whites) since 1998.

So "violent crime" is down. What does that mean? It could mean any number of things. For one, it could mean WHITE violent crime is down, and since whites are a numerical majority their numbers will effect the overall rate more than anyone. It also could mean crimes are simply being reported differently, or less. It's also possible that violent, non-homicide rates are down among all groups, including blacks. The point that what KevinNYC posted is simply another worthless chart geared solely toward a specific agenda. This guy is never, ever looking for real social answers. He is always, always looking to present a partisan slant.
Speaking of selective stats, take a wild guess why this Kochbot chose 1998 as the starting point for his rant...

[ThePhantomCreep]

At least Chicago and Detroit used to NOT be shitholes, once upon a time

cleveland has nothing

Chicago has some rough areas, but it's an Alpha city with a $600 billion GDP, one of the largest metropolitan economies in the world.

https://www.trumphotelcollection.com/images/masthead/Chicago_HotelOverview_HeaderShort_022212.jpg

[KevinNYC]

My comment about Obama and black violence was tongue in cheek because so many people voted for him simply because they thought a black president would solve black problems. You of course fired up the partisan graph-finder and found a meaningless chart to rebut what was a passing joke anyhow.

Yeah, you came in and posted one of your stupid strawmans.
I pointed out even though you were making a stupid strawman joke that was based on something nobody said, it was still at odds with the evidence.

The FBI crime stats are non-partisan. And you don't seem to know what cherry-picked means.

And you're about right Pro Publica, there does seems to be an increase in from last year. However, we don't have full FBI crime stats to make the comparison. I don't think we have the full stats from 2014.

[KevinNYC]

Nationally REPORTED violent crime rates are down by a percentage point, bro.

1 percent a year for 10 years straight during a period when you said there was no decline.

The decline continued until 2013, the last year for which we have full records.

2013 saw the lowest violent crime rate since 1970.

[Bigsmoke]

Been there many times, Chiraq is the murder capitol and asshole of America. And if you think my opinion is biased this is coming from a guy who lives in Cleveland. It gets all the same shitty weather, suffers all the same sport franchise droughts and populace depression, and no matter how many buildings it has it is still just another ugly rust belt city built on industry that no longer exists that looks the same as any other rust belt city. Only you're 3 times more likely to get murdered.


Um No.

The Chi and Cleveland Are in two completely different leagues:oldlol:


And what do u mean championship droughts? The Blackhawks are the current champs :wtf:

[Ncrazyballa]

The gun violence statistics happen predominantly in the poor neighborhoods which no one with self respect and awareness really goes to anyway. Really though, when i go to the city, whats more threatening are the pretentious hipsters drinking their expensive drinks casting judgement on people going by.

[UK2K]

To be fair, blacks in Chicago have been voting Democrat for decades (like Detroit, Baltimore, pretty much every shit hole city) so they never really had a chance to begin with.

[UK2K]

1 percent a year for 10 years straight during a period when you said there was no decline.

The decline continued until 2013, the last year for which we have full records.

2013 saw the lowest violent crime rate since 1970.
Pretty similar statistics across the nation for every city.

[DeuceWallaces]

They may be accurate, but without context they're meaningless. You could present selective stats to someone unfamiliar with basketball and convince them Melo is better than Duncan. A chart with no context is worthless.


For instance this chart, from cdc.gov:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/figures/m6227a1f3.gif

Demonstrates that homicide rates have gone basically nowhere for blacks (or whites) since 1998.

So "violent crime" is down. What does that mean? It could mean any number of things. For one, it could mean WHITE violent crime is down, and since whites are a numerical majority their numbers will effect the overall rate more than anyone. It also could mean crimes are simply being reported differently, or less. It's also possible that violent, non-homicide rates are down among all groups, including blacks. The point that what KevinNYC posted is simply another worthless chart geared solely toward a specific agenda. This guy is never, ever looking for real social answers. He is always, always looking to present a partisan slant.

Your figure doesn't even include years posted in NYC's FBI data.

[KevinNYC]

Pretty similar statistics across the nation for every city.
Yes, I was speaking nationally.

[DeuceWallaces]

Pretty similar statistics across the nation for every city.

Hence, the figure for national statistics. :lol

[Akrazotile]

1 percent a year for 10 years straight during a period when you said there was no decline.

The decline continued until 2013, the last year for which we have full records.

2013 saw the lowest violent crime rate since 1970.

I didnt make any claims about the violent crime rate. I said black homicide rates seemed to be static, and based on the chart that I saw - which I posted to show a random chart off the internet can mean anything - that appeared to be the case. As you pointed out it was for rates among young people - which typically account for the majority of homicides anyway. Is 1% considered definitive in scientific terms btw? Thats outside the typical margin for error I suppose?


Anyway:


Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surge

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/07/09/us-cities-homicide-surge-2015/29879091/
Milwaukee, which last year had one of its lowest annual homicide totals in city history, recorded 84 murders so far this year, more than double the 41 it tallied at the same point last year.
Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn said the mounting homicide toll in his city of 600,000 is driven by Wisconsin's "absurdly weak" gun laws – carrying a concealed weapon without a state-issued concealed carry is a misdemeanor in the Badger State – as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city.
Milwaukee is not alone.
The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation's third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year.
In all the cities, the increased violence is disproportionately impacting poor and predominantly African-American and Latino neighborhoods. In parts of Milwaukee, the sound of gunfire is so commonplace that about 80% of gunshots detected by ShotSpotter sensors aren't even called into police by residents, Flynn said.
"We've got folks out there living in neighborhoods, where . . . it's just part of the background noise," Flynn told USA TODAY. "That's what we're up against."

You can find charts and articles to support ANYTHING.

I made a tongue in cheek comment about rampant homicide in Chicago (Hope&Change's home town), and you posted a graph showing that FBI tallied "violent crime" is down. Stats which are impossible to genuinely determine. Yet that was what you decided is good enough to assure people that surging homicide across major cities isnt really happening.

Mr Spinbot. No concern for America. Just for the party that feeds him.

[Akrazotile]

And the funny part is I wasnt BLAMING Obama. Its not his fault youve got all this crap going on. I was making fun of the (many) people who believed GW Bush was simply holding blacks back, and everything would magically get better under the black democrat.

Even tho your national crime rate stats indicate Obama did nothing to change a slow trend of decrease already in place, and may be in fact going out on said matter "with a bang"..

[UK2K]

And the funny part is I wasnt BLAMING Obama. Its not his fault youve got all this crap going on. I was making fun of the (many) people who believed GW Bush was simply holding blacks back, and everything would magically get better under the black democrat.

Even tho your national crime rate stats indicate Obama did nothing to change a slow trend of decrease already in place, and may be in fact going out on said matter "with a bang"..

As I said earlier, the city has been run by Democrats for decades, like ever other city that is imploding right now.

What's the definition of insanity?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Chicago has been democrat run for 80 years? Is that true?

[Akrazotile]

As I said earlier, the city has been run by Democrats for decades, like ever other city that is imploding right now.

What's the definition of insanity?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Chicago has been democrat run for 80 years? Is that true?



They just need a little bit more of your money for schools, man, and everything will turn around. Promise.

[ThePhantomCreep]

And the funny part is I wasnt BLAMING Obama. Its not his fault youve got all this crap going on. I was making fun of the (many) people who believed GW Bush was simply holding blacks back, and everything would magically get better under the black democrat.

Even tho your national crime rate stats indicate Obama did nothing to change a slow trend of decrease already in place, and may be in fact going out on said matter "with a bang"..

What crap? Are you referring to our employment situation?

U3 Rate
January 2009 - 7.8 (and skyrocketing)
Today - 5.1

Could you be talking about the the stock market?

Dow Jones
January 2009 - $7,900
Today - $16,200

Oh, you mean crime!

Homicide Rate
2008 (Bush's last year): 5.4
2013 (most recent available data): 4.5

...and just for fun:

1986: 8.6

It's getting hard to blame the black man for everything, huh?

[KNOW1EDGE]

This thread is absolute sh1t.

Just one giant facepalm :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

What crap?


Uhh, I just posted it:


Several big U.S. cities see homicide rates surge

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2...2015/29879091/
Milwaukee, which last year had one of its lowest annual homicide totals in city history, recorded 84 murders so far this year, more than double the 41 it tallied at the same point last year.
Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn said the mounting homicide toll in his city of 600,000 is driven by Wisconsin's "absurdly weak" gun laws – carrying a concealed weapon without a state-issued concealed carry is a misdemeanor in the Badger State – as well a subculture within the city that affirms the use of deadly violence to achieve status and growing distrust of police in some parts of the city.
Milwaukee is not alone.
The number of murders in 2015 jumped by 33% or more in Baltimore, New Orleans and St. Louis. Meanwhile, in Chicago, the nation's third-largest city, the homicide toll climbed 19% and the number of shooting incidents increased by 21% during the first half of the year.
In all the cities, the increased violence is disproportionately impacting poor and predominantly African-American and Latino neighborhoods. In parts of Milwaukee, the sound of gunfire is so commonplace that about 80% of gunshots detected by ShotSpotter sensors aren't even called into police by residents, Flynn said.
"We've got folks out there living in neighborhoods, where . . . it's just part of the background noise," Flynn told USA TODAY. "That's what we're up against."


Also, I dont blame "the black man" for anything. I blame soft, oversensitive, try-hard sjw's of all races for being AFRAID to tackle problems that often effect blacks directly, and others indirectly, bc theyre obsessed with showing theyre not racist. Its the exact same thing as always advertising your religion and calling others sinners. You, PhantomCreep, are religiously obsessed with showing others you arent racist, and calling out others as racists -real or imagined - in a creepy McCarthy-style. Youre like the secretly gay pastor who always goes on and on and on about evil homosexuals, except your shtick is rooting out and exposing "racists."

Weenies like you who resent the establishment bc theyre considered weak and insecure within it, and only take their far left positions bc it needles the traditional establishment which they are at the bottom of the social order in. None of these Loud Liberals live near blacks (liberal cities are most segregated) they dont give to charity (liberal states donate less) they just piss, cry, and whine on the net about racism from their isolated caucasian strongholds to find some sort of identity in their life.

Everything you post on here is about witch hunting and rooting out racists. You never actually talk about the dynamics of issues. You are a race-baiting fundamentalist. You arent smart, you arent funny, nobody cares about you, you have nothing to contribute, so you CLING to the shtick of being "the guy who (irrationally) calls out 'racists'". Good job. Your life sounds meaningful. Congrats to ya.

[Nanners]

As I said earlier, the city has been run by Democrats for decades, like ever other city that is imploding right now.

What's the definition of insanity?

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein

Chicago has been democrat run for 80 years? Is that true?

virtually every major city in america is run by democrats. democrats tend to live in urban areas, conservatives tend to live in rural ones.

if you are going to blame democrats for chicago and detroit you have to give them credit for new york, boston, san francisco, los angeles, seattle, miami...

[Akrazotile]

virtually every major city in america is run by democrats. democrats tend to live in urban areas, conservatives tend to live in rural ones.

if you are going to blame democrats for chicago and detroit you have to give them credit for new york, boston, san francisco, los angeles, seattle, miami...


And the fact is, highly populous areas DO need more regulation and 'socialism' simply due to th complexities of people living in close proximities.

Which is exactly why we should all support stronger state and local rights. Let NY and Cali do what is best for them, Tennessee and Texas for them etc. There are different cultures throughout America. Why does everything need to be federalized? Theres no need to have a large federal govt intruding everywhere. Let states run themselves, their own way, and COMPETE with each other just like businesses.

I dont have any problem with some of the more 'socialist' type of ordinances a city like NYC might institute, but when liberals decide we need the federal govt to spend its time trying to make little towns in Alabama do things the same way as in NYC? Liberals love that shit bc its validating their way. They get to "win" against conservatives. Bt why?? What does it do? Nothing but make them feel superior.

[UK2K]

virtually every major city in america is run by democrats. democrats tend to live in urban areas, conservatives tend to live in rural ones.

if you are going to blame democrats for chicago and detroit you have to give them credit for new york, boston, san francisco, los angeles, seattle, miami...

NYC was run by a Republican mayor from 93-2013, so 20 straight years until two years ago.

LA had a Republican mayor from 93-2001, and has had Republicans as mayor 31 of the last ~80 years.

But to your point, there are nice cities in America.

[Nanners]

NYC was run by a Republican mayor from 93-2013, so 20 straight years until two years ago.

LA had a Republican mayor from 93-2001, and has had Republicans as mayor 31 of the last ~80 years.

But to your point, there are nice cities in America.

having a republican mayor is not really the same as being "run by republicans". there are a lot of jobs in local government - city council members, local state representatives, county officials...etc, and for the most part these types of jobs are dominated by democrats in most urban areas. massachusetts recently had a republican governor, yet they are widely considered to be one of the most liberal states in the nation and nobody would ever say massachusetts was "run by republicans".

btw calling bloomberg a republican is a bit of a stretch :oldlol:

[KevinNYC]

I didn't make any claims about the violent crime rate. I said black homicide rates seemed to be static, and based on the chart that I saw - which I posted to show a random chart off the internet can mean anything - that appeared to be the case. As you pointed out it was for rates among young people - which typically account for the majority of homicides anyway. Is 1% considered definitive in scientific terms btw? That's outside the typical margin for error I suppose?

You can find charts and articles to support ANYTHING.
......
you posted a graph showing that FBI tallied "violent crime" is down. Stats which are impossible to genuinely determine. Now you seem to making an argument against evidence itself and not misuse of evidence. Yeah, you can use stats and charts in making an argument, just like you can use words. And just like using words, you need to understand them and you can make a bad argument using words just as easily as using charts. Stats of crimes reported to the police are not impossible to determine. The FBI's uniform crime reports are compiled by counting things that are known, more importantly they are the official crime statistics, so they are widely known and scrutinized. Thirdly, the crimes that go into the violent crime index are serious crimes that are considered to be reliably reported. So you want to argue that you can't tell crime trends based on the FBI UCR, you're going to have to come up with some strong evidence as to why not. Additionally the trend seen in the FBI UCR is also seen in the National Crime Victimization Survey which just asks people if they have been a crime victim in the previous year. That has violent crime down about 55% from 1998 and about 70% down from the peak in 1994.

Margin of error would not apply here. These FBI Uniform Crime Reports are counting known things. Margin of error is for when you do a survey.
The margin of error is a statistic expressing the amount of random sampling error in a survey's results
And the funny part is I wasnt BLAMING Obama. The funny part is seem to think I have mentioned Obama. I haven't.

My bugbear is this mostly how the media covers crime, but also the myths that people hold on to. I remember about 20 years ago at a business meeting, a group from out of town was afraid to ride the from midtown Manhattan to downtown on the subway. They were literally shocked when we told them we were taking the subway as it would be the quickest way. I remember my girlfriend laughing when they said it, she was like, um I ride the subway every day.

The issue today is that local papers have cut back on local reporting, so now crimes across the country are reported. Web outlets don't have local beats and they are notorious for this, especially if video is involved. You can easily create a news crime wave, if your crime beat is 300 million people.

People also don't seem to understand the murder rate. New York used to have a high total number of murders but New York was never had the highest murder rate even at the height of the crack craze because New York is enormous.
Today Chicago has the "most murders" title, but it is still not in the top 30 US cities for murder rate for the last year we have stats and probably won't be in 2015.

The idea that if you visit Chicago as a tourist and you're not looking to score drugs, you're going to be touched by this violence is just a fallacy.

This misperception of crime seems to be persistent since 9/11 too, for what it's worth.

http://content.gallup.com/origin/gallupinc/GallupSpaces/Production/Cms/POLL/7fcgrmyaxewxewhx7fojgg.png

[KevinNYC]

NYC was run by a Republican mayor from 93-2013, so 20 straight years until two years ago.

Bloomberg's has been all over the map. He changed parties to run in 2001 and then switched parties again in 2007 when he was thinking about running for President as an independent.

From Wikipedia
Political party
Democratic (Before 2001)
Republican (2001

[UK2K]

Bloomberg's has been all over the map. He changed parties to run in 2001 and then switched parties again in 2007 when he was thinking about running for President as an independent.

From Wikipedia
Political party
Democratic (Before 2001)
Republican (2001–2007)
Independent (2007–present)

I know.

Point being, it has been more non-Democrat than Democrat the last three decades until recently.

But as Nanners pointed out, it rarely matters in the grand scheme of things unless one party dominates the public offices (Chicago, Detroit).

Although I do like San Fran and Seattle.

[TripleA]

I think the reason why places like Detroit,Baltimore and Chicago are so messed up is because of corruption in the government.

[DeuceWallaces]

I think the reason why places like Detroit,Baltimore and Chicago are so messed up is because of corruption in the government.

They're messed up because they're founded on mostly now defunct industries and suffered massive white-flight of their tax base without annexing their surrounding municipalities from 1950-1970. The same thing will likely happen to "newer" cities in the south and west; give it some time.

Oh, and Chicago is not messed up.

[UK2K]

They're messed up because they're founded on mostly now defunct industries and suffered massive white-flight of their tax base without annexing their surrounding municipalities from 1950-1970. The same thing will likely happen to "newer" cities in the south and west; give it some time.

Oh, and Chicago is not messed up.


There’s red ink flowing over every level of government — villages, towns, cities, and, of course, the State of Illinois, which is the biggest fiscal train wreck, followed by the city of Chicago and its public schools.

Here are some disturbing details:

Chicago schools are, for the first time, on the state’s “watch list.” Chicago Public Schools is spending nearly $1 billion more than it can afford, pension obligations are soaring, there’s management turmoil at the top and Gov. Rauner is openly suggesting bankruptcy as the only way out.

The city’s credit rating keeps dropping, which increases the cost of borrowing and the burden on taxpayers. City Hall is also coping with an estimated $300 million budget deficit and a state-mandated $500 million-plus payment for police and fire pensions.

State government is facing a $6 billion budget shortfall, a mountain of unpaid bills and $100 billion-plus in pension liabilities.



Sounds peachy. That's from the Sun Times. I guess it depends on your definition of 'messed up'.

To be fair I like Chicago. The architecture is one of a kind. My brother lives there, only been held up once, but he's a big dude.

Id never live there due to the COL expenses though. Crime is mostly on the south and west sides, far away from the white part of the city.

[Marv_Albert]

Why do people continue to live this life and shoot each other? can't believe people still think gang banging is cool and the way out...

[Akrazotile]

They're messed up because they're founded on mostly now defunct industries and suffered massive white-flight of their tax base without annexing their surrounding municipalities from 1950-1970. The same thing will likely happen to "newer" cities in the south and west; give it some time.


And after white flight took hold, many of the people left in the city were not qualified for any jobs except labor. But due to wage laws and union power etc labor jobs have been drying up.

So it was then decided that we should start paying these undereducated, poorly qualified people to basically sit at home and breed. An extra two thousand at tax time for each child! And unemployment along the way. But no social obligations to go with it. No requirements to volunteer somewhere in order to receive welfare. No requirements to stay out of trouble. Just keep watching BET and having kids!

Because any other means of addressing the issue would have been racist.