realistically Kobe probably won the most rings with the least help

[kennethgriffin]

#1 Kobe = had 1 other hall of famer period for all 5 of his rings, 2 without a legendary sidekick.. gasol 85th all time.. scrubs littered the rest of his lineups for all 5 rings ( sasha, george, farmar, luke, medvidenko, mbenga, fisher, foster, lue, madsen, denko. his best 3rd wheel has 0 allstar appearances asside from 1 title rice a year away from retirement )

#2 Jordan = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings, 2 other productive hall of famers for his other 3 rings.. had elite role players and former stars littered the rest of his lineup for all 6 rings ( kukoc, armstrong, grant, paxson finals winning shot and all time great shooter, harper, kerr finals winning shots and top 5 three point shooter ever, cartwright who averaged 20ppg before, hodges one of the best shooters ever, stacy king and many more )

#3 shaq = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings, 1 productive hall of famer for his 4th ring

#4 hakeem = had 0 other productive hall of famers for 1 ring, 1 other productive hall of famer for his 2nd ring

#5 duncan = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 1 ring, 2-3 other productive hall of famers for his last 4 rings

#6 Kareem = had 4-5 other productive hall of famers for 5 of his 6 rings, 2 for his bucks

#7 magic = had 4-5 other productive hall of famers for all 5 rings

#8 Russell = had 5-6 other productive hall of famers for all 11 rings

#9 Bird = had 4-5 other hall of famers for all 3 rings

#10 Wilt = had 2-3 other hall of famers for both of his 2 rings

#11 lebron = had 2-3 other hall of famers for both of his 2 rings






seriously. wheres the love for kobe. we got people posting articles saying hes left out of peoples top 10's

this injustice must stop now




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[ShawkFactory]

Holy shit so many threads

[kennethgriffin]

Holy shit so many threads



and theyre all gems

thought provoking and insightful


i'm reclaiming my glory days people. get ready for a revolution

[ShawkFactory]

and theyre all gems

thought provoking and insightful


i'm reclaiming my glory days people. get ready for a revolution
:wtf:

[Kblaze8855]

I think you would agree youve been given a pretty wide berth this summer. is it asking too much for you to calm down as the the season starts? These endless topics are getting to be a bit much.

I'm attempting to appeal to the somewhat rational person that has to be in there instead of just deleting a bunch of topics that don't need to exist

[kennethgriffin]

is anyone even willing to try and refute my claim in the OP?


probably not. just senseless personal attacks and mockery. even from forum mods

kobe technically did win the most with the least number of HOFers

facts are facts.



i continue to stack evidence for my claim that kobe is a top 5 player all time

[ralph_i_el]

is anyone even willing to try and refute my claim in the OP?


probably not. just senseless personal attacks and mockery. even from forum mods

kobe technically did win the most with the least number of HOFers

facts are facts.



i continue to stack evidence for my claim that kobe is a top 5 player all time

Gasol is a hall of famer.

[ClipperRevival]

is anyone even willing to try and refute my claim in the OP?


probably not. just senseless personal attacks and mockery. even from forum mods

kobe technically did win the most with the least number of HOFers

facts are facts.



i continue to stack evidence for my claim that kobe is a top 5 player all time

You are either:

1) A troll
2) Just plain stupid

Which is it?

[f0und]

is anyone even willing to try and refute my claim in the OP?


probably not. just senseless personal attacks and mockery. even from forum mods

kobe technically did win the most with the least number of HOFers

facts are facts.



i continue to stack evidence for my claim that kobe is a top 5 player all time


ever heard the saying,

"Don’t argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

if you're confused, its because you're the *ucking idiot.

[feyki]

#1 Kobe = had 1 other hall of famer period for all 5 of his rings, 2 without a legendary sidekick.. gasol 85th all time.. scrubs littered the rest of his lineups for all 5 rings ( sasha, george, farmar, luke, medvidenko, mbenga, fisher, foster, lue, madsen, denko. his best 3rd wheel has 0 allstar appearances asside from 1 title rice a year away from retirement )

#2 Jordan = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings, 2 other productive hall of famers for his other 3 rings.. had elite role players and former stars littered the rest of his lineup for all 6 rings ( kukoc, armstrong, grant, paxson finals winning shot and all time great shooter, harper, kerr finals winning shots and top 5 three point shooter ever, cartwright who averaged 20ppg before, hodges one of the best shooters ever, stacy king and many more )

#3 shaq = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings, 1 productive hall of famer for his 4th ring

#4 hakeem = had 0 other productive hall of famers for 1 ring, 1 other productive hall of famer for his 2nd ring

#5 duncan = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 1 ring, 2-3 other productive hall of famers for his last 4 rings

#6 Kareem = had 4-5 other productive hall of famers for 5 of his 6 rings, 2 for his bucks

#7 magic = had 4-5 other productive hall of famers for all 5 rings

#8 Russell = had 5-6 other productive hall of famers for all 11 rings

#9 Bird = had 4-5 other hall of famers for all 3 rings

#10 Wilt = had 2-3 other hall of famers for both of his 2 rings

#11 lebron = had 2-3 other hall of famers for both of his 2 rings






seriously. wheres the love for kobe. we got people posting articles saying hes left out of peoples top 10's

this injustice must stop now




http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/kobe-talking.jpg


https://animeholicph.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/join-the-rukawa-ouendan-girls.png?w=300&h=211

There is "How looking Kennethgriffin" .

[kennethgriffin]

Now what would be the point of that? :lol

Everyone knows you're an unwavering and contextless clown. The "evidence" is for you and only you.


the context is productive HOF help for each ring

[kennethgriffin]

You are either:

1) A troll
2) Just plain stupid

Which is it?

3) correct



kobe won with the least productive HOF help


why cant kobe win any argument on ISH?


:lol

the reason i keep posting these threads is because no matter what the issue is. kobe cant win. it could be about raping females. yall would find another nba player who did it better


:roll:

you made me.



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[Hey Yo]

is anyone even willing to try and refute my claim in the OP?


probably not. just senseless personal attacks and mockery. even from forum mods

kobe technically did win the most with the least number of HOFers

facts are facts.



i continue to stack evidence for my claim that kobe is a top 5 player all time
You count Kerr and Paxson as legit but yet call Rice and Fisher scrubs? Why not count Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Lamar Odom??

[HoopologyPhD]

If you are calling Bosh an HOFer than you have to call Gasol one as well.

Bosh is better athlete and scorer but Gasol's overall offensive game is better.

[ClipperRevival]

Gasol is a hall of famer.

But it doesn't fit the OPs agenda so we must not bring up this OBVIOUS fact. Gasol is one of the most skilled bigs ever.

And not mentioning key contributors/great role players like Odom, Ariza, Bynum and Brown in their 2009 and 2010 run also goes against his agenda so he left those guys out.

Talk about one objective guy huh?

[Straight_Ballin]

lol Kenny thinking that "no help" means that if you don't have another HOf player, you had no help. not the way it works. This is a team sport. Kobe played with so many talented shooters and role players and had so many deep benches not to mention the greatest coach in Phil Jackson....yet he had the least help.:lol :lol :lol :lol

Back to the lab Kenny. gonna have to try harder

[kennethgriffin]

Gasol is a hall of famer.


youre correct

except no other guy with 5 or more rings has won with just 1 other HOF'r each time

[kennethgriffin]

lol Kenny thinking that "no help" means that if you don't have another HOf player, you had no help. not the way it works. This is a team sport. Kobe played with so many talented shooters and role players and had so many deep benches not to mention the greatest coach in Phil Jackson....yet he had the least help.:lol :lol :lol :lol

Back to the lab Kenny. gonna have to try harder


who said kobe had no help

[ClipperRevival]

youre correct

except no other guy with 5 or more rings has won with just 1 other HOF'r each time

And no other HOFer with 5 rings has just 1 MVP but Kobe. :pimp:

We can nitpick all day.

[Straight_Ballin]

who said kobe had no help

No help, least help....it's all the same.

[warriorfan]

#1 Kobe = had 1 other hall of famer period for all 5 of his rings, 2 without a legendary sidekick.. gasol 85th all time.. scrubs littered the rest of his lineups for all 5 rings ( sasha, george, farmar, luke, medvidenko, mbenga, fisher, foster, lue, madsen, denko. his best 3rd wheel has 0 allstar appearances asside from 1 title rice a year away from retirement )

#2 Jordan = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings, 2 other productive hall of famers for his other 3 rings.. had elite role players and former stars littered the rest of his lineup for all 6 rings ( kukoc, armstrong, grant, paxson finals winning shot and all time great shooter, harper, kerr finals winning shots and top 5 three point shooter ever, cartwright who averaged 20ppg before, hodges one of the best shooters ever, stacy king and many more )

#3 shaq = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 3 rings, 1 productive hall of famer for his 4th ring

#4 hakeem = had 0 other productive hall of famers for 1 ring, 1 other productive hall of famer for his 2nd ring

#5 duncan = had 1 other productive hall of famer for 1 ring, 2-3 other productive hall of famers for his last 4 rings

#6 Kareem = had 4-5 other productive hall of famers for 5 of his 6 rings, 2 for his bucks

#7 magic = had 4-5 other productive hall of famers for all 5 rings

#8 Russell = had 5-6 other productive hall of famers for all 11 rings

#9 Bird = had 4-5 other hall of famers for all 3 rings

#10 Wilt = had 2-3 other hall of famers for both of his 2 rings

#11 lebron = had 2-3 other hall of famers for both of his 2 rings






seriously. wheres the love for kobe. we got people posting articles saying hes left out of peoples top 10's

this injustice must stop now




http://www.brothersonsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/kobe-talking.jpg

AMC needs an honorable mention for winning with zero hall of fame teammates.

[ralph_i_el]

youre correct

except no other guy with 5 or more rings has won with just 1 other HOF'r each time

No top-10 player won most of their rings as a sidekick.

[Smoke117]

Kenny being bent over a barrel and having a train ran on him in this thread...:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

And no other HOFer with 5 rings has just 1 MVP but Kobe. :pimp:

We can nitpick all day.


youre just proving that kobe is underrated with that statement


winning with 1 other hall of famer is in kobes control

winning mvps is not in kobes control


a guy once averaged 50/25 and dropped 100 points in one game on a team that went 49-31


he didnt win mvp


its never up to the man. its up to disgruntled spiteful agenda driven people with pre conceded notions as to what they consider valuable

[kennethgriffin]

No top-10 player won most of their rings as a sidekick.


russell was mvp/leader of 5 out of his 11 rings

kareem was mvp/leader of 2 of his 6 rings


heck even wilt was outscored in the playoffs and finals for both his rings



and i'd like to consider a 2 man team as co-lead .. atleast from 2001 and 2002


any time a guy averages 27-30ppg during the season and playoffs. hes not a sidekick

especially when hes the assist leading playmaker ontop of it

[Hey Yo]

Ahem...(clears throat)

you conveniently glossed over post #24

[kennethgriffin]

You count Kerr and Paxson as legit but yet call Rice and Fisher scrubs? Why not count Rick Fox, Robert Horry, Lamar Odom??


kerr is statistically one of the top 5 shooters in league history..he hit a championship game/series winning all time great clinching legendary shot. one of the top 10 moments in finals history

paxson is statistically one of the top 10 shooters in league history when he won titles in chicago. shooting 46% threes in 1993. the year in which he hit a championship game/series winning all time great clinching legendary shot. one of the top 10 moments in finals history


fisher hit a 0.4 shot once that never lead to anything. lakers lost that year.. hes a good wide open shooter.



common man... kerr and paxson are way better




and i mentioned rice. i said he was kobes only former allstar 3rd wheel for JUST ONE title


that was the one time kobe had a 3rd man



jordan had a great 3rd EVERY TIME and a HOF 3rd leader for half his rings



fox was OK

horry was clutch but hit every one of his winners from a kobe assist

even fishers 0.4 shot came off a kobe double team

[Smoke117]

And no other HOFer with 5 rings has just 1 MVP but Kobe. :pimp:

We can nitpick all day.

And the one he does have was basically a career achievement award. Chris Paul was pretty clearly the MVP in 2008.

[kennethgriffin]

And the one he does have was basically a career achievement award. Chris Paul was pretty clearly the MVP in 2008.


whats the criteria for MVP

cause no matter what way you spin it... kobe would win atleast one in either 03, 06, 07, 08, or 09

[Smoke117]

paxson is statistically one of the top 10 shooters in league history when he won titles in chicago. shooting 46% threes in 1993.

...he averaged 0.7 3pta's that year. :facepalm This is why nobody was bothering themselves with giving you a serious response in this thread...you're just a knucklehead and not worth the effort.

[kennethgriffin]

...he averaged 0.7 3pta's that year. :facepalm


did he not hit a championship winning shot?

that alone takes half the credit for the entire season


if he misses the series goes to game 7 in phoenix

[kennethgriffin]

one of the 5 biggest shots in nba history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnAr4I3-Z48


paxson owns half of one of jordans rings

[Dbrog]

the context is productive HOF help for each ring

You are attempting to use this as "context" but you are missing the "productive part" in your post.

In 99, the one HOF you are referencing averaged 15/10/2.5blks. This is worse than Deandre Jordan...is he HOF?

Parker and Gino averaged 14/3 and 9/4/3 respectively in 03.
In 05 they were 17/4 and 20/6/5 (oh look finally 1 player HOF-level production!)
In 07 they were 18/5/3 and 16/4/3 (maybe allstar level numbers if we are generous)

in 2014 duncan was old but still maybe the best player on his team. No other player had any sort of HOF numbers...maybe you could argue Kawhi for his defense but that's a stretch. They might be the only championship team to have NO HOF-level production :D

Point being in Duncan's 5 titles, he only got HOF-production once from another player.

Duncan is just an example though. Most of the other people you ran through have context inconsistencies as well.

[warriorfan]

AMC is climbing the list fast

[kennethgriffin]

You are attempting to use this as "context" but you are missing the "productive part" in your post.

In 99, the one HOF you are referencing averaged 15/10/2.5blks. This is worse than Deandre Jordan...is he HOF?

Parker and Gino averaged 14/3 and 9/4/3 respectively in 03.
In 05 they were 17/4 and 20/6/5 (oh look finally 1 player HOF-level production!)
In 07 they were 18/5/3 and 16/4/3 (maybe allstar level numbers if we are generous)

in 2014 duncan was old but still maybe the best player on his team. No other player had any sort of HOF numbers...maybe you could argue Kawhi for his defense but that's a stretch. They might be the only championship team to have NO HOF-level production :D

Point being in Duncan's 5 titles, he only got HOF-production once from another player.

Duncan is just an example though. Most of the other people you ran through have context inconsistencies as well.


dude give me a f*cking break


are you seriously attempting to convince me that current deandre jordan is better than 1999 david robinson


:facepalm


go F*CK your mothers A**


not even bothering the read the rest

[Hey Yo]

kerr is statistically one of the top 5 shooters in league history..he hit a championship game/series winning all time great clinching legendary shot. one of the top 10 moments in finals history

paxson is statistically one of the top 10 shooters in league history when he won titles in chicago. shooting 46% threes in 1993. the year in which he hit a championship game/series winning all time great clinching legendary shot. one of the top 10 moments in finals history


fisher hit a 0.4 shot once that never lead to anything. lakers lost that year.. hes a good wide open shooter.



common man... kerr and paxson are way better




and i mentioned rice. i said he was kobes only former allstar 3rd wheel for JUST ONE title


that was the one time kobe had a 3rd man



jordan had a great 3rd EVERY TIME and a HOF 3rd leader for half his rings



fox was OK

horry was clutch but hit every one of his winners from a kobe assist

even fishers 0.4 shot came off a kobe double team
:oldlol: thanks for the laugh

btw that great 46% Paxson shot from 3 was from a whopping 0.7 attempts per game that reg. season and 1.3 3PA in the postseason.

[Smoke117]

You are attempting to use this as "context" but you are missing the "productive part" in your post.

In 99, the one HOF you are referencing averaged 15/10/2.5blks. This is worse than Deandre Jordan...is he HOF?

Parker and Gino averaged 14/3 and 9/4/3 respectively in 03.
In 05 they were 17/4 and 20/6/5 (oh look finally 1 player HOF-level production!)
In 07 they were 18/5/3 and 16/4/3 (maybe allstar level numbers if we are generous)

in 2014 duncan was old but still maybe the best player on his team. No other player had any sort of HOF numbers...maybe you could argue Kawhi for his defense but that's a stretch. They might be the only championship team to have NO HOF-level production :D

Point being in Duncan's 5 titles, he only got HOF-production once from another player.

Duncan is just an example though. Most of the other people you ran through have context inconsistencies as well.


:roll: :roll: :roll: David Robinson was the best defensive player in the league that season in 99. (Zo got the award but Robinson had the biggest impact) Deandre Jordan better than a 99 Robinson...:facepalm You just made me have to agree with Kenny which makes it even worse.

[kennethgriffin]

AMC is climbing the list fast


are you promoting a tv station or something?

[kennethgriffin]

:oldlol: thanks for the laugh

btw that great 46% Paxson shot from 3 was from a whopping 0.7 attempts per game that reg. season and 1.3 3PA in the postseason.


you act like he didnt save jordans 3rd ring from extinction


:lol


if he misses the suns win game 6 and are at home for game 7


barkleys probably a champion if not for john paxson

[sportjames23]

jesus Kenneth....I see why you were banned at realgm after 1 day.


LOL, they banned him after a day? :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

LOL, they banned him after a day? :oldlol:


i told him i was ... today


realgm is a bunch of data's from star trek or some shit

:oldlol:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FbnWyK41qiU/VCM9wxOmDPI/AAAAAAAAE78/cCAWcQ_LB14/s1600/Data%2Bhead%2Bmoves%2B4.gif

"duncan more efficient. and thus better"

[24-Inch_Chrome]

5/3/2 > 5/2/1

[Kblaze8855]

Ok....you aren't responding to reason and you are annoying people with this endless shit. We are not having you making dozens of Kobe topics to repeat yourself in. If you can't be normal be quieter.

[ShawkFactory]

you act like he didnt save jordans 3rd ring from extinction


:lol


if he misses the suns win game 6 and are at home for game 7


barkleys probably a champion if not for john paxson
Lol that's a reasonable thing for you to say but I get laughed at for saying the series was over if Horry didn't tie it 2-2 in 2002?

"We only deal with reality" is what I believe you said. Guess that applies to everyone but you.

[sportjames23]

i told him i was ... today


realgm is a bunch of data's from star trek or some shit

:oldlol:


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-FbnWyK41qiU/VCM9wxOmDPI/AAAAAAAAE78/cCAWcQ_LB14/s1600/Data%2Bhead%2Bmoves%2B4.gif

"duncan more efficient. and thus better"


T'is true. I still have my account there, but haven't visited that site in a long time. The discussions are better there, but the mods are too damn uptight. Sure, discussions here devolve into pie fights, but shit's hilarious. And we do get great debates here every so often.

[kennethgriffin]

GRRRRR! hes making too much sense! we all hate kobe here! agreed?






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ok ok.. you win kblaze. i'l take a break. i dont wanna upset anyones fragile mentality