All time Euro Team to beat the Dream Team?

[90sgoat]

Challenge, not just pick 5 guys but pick a team that would have the best chance of beating the last Dream Team.

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitski
SG - Drasen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicius

Bench: Detlef Schrempf, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Rik Smits, Toni Kukoc

Wow, such length, much 3 point shooting.

That team can shoot better than the Dream Team and with Arvydas, Gasol and Smits, there is always a huge 7 footer standing in the paint.

[r15mohd]

defense sucks for your euro-boys

[ralph_i_el]

Challenge, not just pick 5 guys but pick a team that would have the best chance of beating the last Dream Team.

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitski
SG - Drasen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicius

Bench: Detlef Schrempf, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Rik Smits, Toni Kukoc

Wow, such length, much 3 point shooting.

That team can shoot better than the Dream Team and with Arvydas, Gasol and Smits, there is always a huge 7 footer standing in the paint.

The only problem is Dirk defending wings. How can he check Drexler/MJ/bird/pippen on the perimeter?

[Fire Colangelo]

They have a chance, not a good chance but there is a chance.

Dirk could get extremely hot and drop 50, you never know.

[vix]

First team:

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitzki
SG - Juan Carlos Navarro
PG - Dimitris Diamantidis

Second team:

C - Vladimir Tkachenko
PF - Andrei Kirilenko
SF - Dejan Bodiroga
SG - Vassilis Spanoulis
PG - Aleksandar Djordjevic

Honourable mention: T. Parker, D. Petrovic, N. Gallis.

This roster would beat last dream team, and would make a stand against original Dream Team.

[RidonKs]

real depth chart


Sabonis / Smits / Gasol
Nowitzki / Gasol
Kirilenko / Schrempf
Petrovic / Stojakovic
Ginobili / Parker / Dragic


the passing :eek:

kirilenko helps with defensive problems, though he'd have a tough time battling larry legend on the block. but starting gino at pg is the sort of unpredictable game time decision that would have the dream team scratching their heads just like they were in that first exhibition game

can't underestimate talent and chemistry like above, even against magic mj and larry. given a few months of playing together, and equal time given to the dream team, that series goes to at least six games.

but the dream team carries it. euro bigs stack up just fine against american bigs, even if they bring more unconventional assets to the table. but euro smalls are few and far between who could even functionally compete against magic and stockton and mj

[90sgoat]

real depth chart


Sabonis / Smits / Gasol
Nowitzki / Gasol
Kirilenko / Schrempf
Petrovic / Stojakovic
Ginobili / Parker / Dragic


the passing :eek:

kirilenko helps with defensive problems, though he'd have a tough time battling larry legend on the block. but starting gino at pg is the sort of unpredictable game time decision that would have the dream team scratching their heads just like they were in that first exhibition game

can't underestimate talent and chemistry like above, even against magic mj and larry. given a few months of playing together, and equal time given to the dream team, that series goes to at least six games.

but the dream team carries it. euro bigs stack up just fine against american bigs, even if they bring more unconventional assets to the table. but euro smalls are few and far between who could even functionally compete against magic and stockton and mj

Manu is Argentinian even if he has Italian heritage.

The most difficult position to match for Euros is the SF. There are just not a lot of long athletic guys at that height in Europe. That's the real asset that the US has, the ridiciously athletic wings like MJ, Lebron etc. They're a matchup hell for a typical Euro wing who is either too slow or too light. Kirilenko really works for that though. Shrempf too can hold his own against NBA wings, but after that it gets very few.

The Euros would have to compensate by playing a tall lineup with a zone on defense to give away the 3 point shot but limit the drives. Then they could at least exploit length mismatch on offense.

Honestly, the Euro team has a chance because I think they will be very dangerous playing some sort of Pop offense, quick passes, efficient shooting.

[TheBigVeto]

Challenge, not just pick 5 guys but pick a team that would have the best chance of beating the last Dream Team.

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitski
SG - Drasen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicius

Bench: Detlef Schrempf, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Rik Smits, Toni Kukoc

Wow, such length, much 3 point shooting.

That team can shoot better than the Dream Team and with Arvydas, Gasol and Smits, there is always a huge 7 footer standing in the paint.

All those players in their prime? Yes they can hang with the dream team but will lose a close game.

But if you're taking them in their primes, then we should also take the prime versions of the dream team. If that's the case then the team above will get beat with bigger margin.

[DaOldLion]

who cares

[Rampis]

Panagiotis Giannakis/Valdis Valters/Theodoros Papaloukas
Drazen Petrovic/Nikos Galis/Sarunas Marciulionis
Toni Kukoc/Andrei Kirilenko/Drazen Dalipagic
Dirk Nowitzki/Pau Gasol/Dino Radja
Arvydas Sabonis/Vlade Divac/Vladimir Tkachenko

They would give the Dream Team a run for their money...

[FKAri]

Maybe in 50 years this question will have a definitive answer.

[RidonKs]

Manu is Argentinian even if he has Italian heritage.

The most difficult position to match for Euros is the SF. There are just not a lot of long athletic guys at that height in Europe. That's the real asset that the US has, the ridiciously athletic wings like MJ, Lebron etc. They're a matchup hell for a typical Euro wing who is either too slow or too light. Kirilenko really works for that though. Shrempf too can hold his own against NBA wings, but after that it gets very few.

The Euros would have to compensate by playing a tall lineup with a zone on defense to give away the 3 point shot but limit the drives. Then they could at least exploit length mismatch on offense.

Honestly, the Euro team has a chance because I think they will be very dangerous playing some sort of Pop offense, quick passes, efficient shooting.
yeah manu doesn't really belong but i couldn't help but include him with that roster :lol

good analysis tho, that length v athleticism battle would be epic

[3ball]

Challenge, not just pick 5 guys but pick a team that would have the best chance of beating the last Dream Team.

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitski
SG - Drasen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicius

Bench: Detlef Schrempf, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Rik Smits, Toni Kukoc


You act like the Dream Team never lost - they lost 7 times and didn't win the gold in Olympics/World Games in 2002, 2004 and 2006..

Those were the Dream Teams that had Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, Amare, CP3, Carmelo, etc.

[TheBigVeto]

You act like the Dream Team never lost - they lost 7 times and didn't win the gold in Olympics/World Games in 2002, 2004 and 2006..

Those were the Dream Teams that had Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, Amare, CP3, Carmelo, etc.

Those are not the dream teams dawg...

[vix]

All those players in their prime? Yes they can hang with the dream team but will lose a close game.

But if you're taking them in their primes, then we should also take the prime versions of the dream team. If that's the case then the team above will get beat with bigger margin.

Spain singlehanded, last years, went to the wire against this Dream Team. This Spain is one of the best international sides ever, but just imagine keeping Gasols and Navarro, and replacing the rest with the best European players alltime we are listing here. They will beat This Dream time without any doubt. Only original Dream Team would be able to beat them.

[SpanishACB]

the problem with Euro teams is defending the 2 and 3. Historically there aren't many great or world class lock down defenders in those positions in Europe, mainly due to a completely different style of play. Potentially there are some that athletically could have matched (regardless of what people say here, ignorance mostly) but due to the different nature of the game in the old continent, they never got to explore that way of playing, at least, consistently.

offensively I don't think anyone questions they're at least on par (all aspects of scoring considered)

[Gileraracer]

Can't even read those names.

[Derka]

You act like the Dream Team never lost - they lost 7 times and didn't win the gold in Olympics/World Games in 2002, 2004 and 2006..

Those were the Dream Teams that had Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, Amare, CP3, Carmelo, etc.

There has only ever been one Dream Team: the 1992 USA men's team. No other USA basketball team has ever been called that.

[dunksby]

You act like the Dream Team never lost - they lost 7 times and didn't win the gold in Olympics/World Games in 2002, 2004 and 2006..

Those were the Dream Teams that had Duncan, Lebron, Wade, Dwight Howard, Amare, CP3, Carmelo, etc.
When you gonna stop embarrassing yourself man?

[Euroleague]

Panagiotis Giannakis/Valdis Valters/Theodoros Papaloukas
Drazen Petrovic/Nikos Galis/Sarunas Marciulionis
Toni Kukoc/Andrei Kirilenko/Drazen Dalipagic
Dirk Nowitzki/Pau Gasol/Dino Radja
Arvydas Sabonis/Vlade Divac/Vladimir Tkachenko

They would give the Dream Team a run for their money...

Your point guard position has great players, but no way in hell are they fitting to such a team. None of those players can play in a super team and do much of anything at all.

Stop being such a huge moron.

You would have to have guys like Parker, Spanoulis, Jasikevicius or Djordjevic. Something like that.

Just passing the ball, playing some D, and jacking up long 3s from the lead guard position would never cut it.

[Euroleague]

First team:

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitzki
SG - Juan Carlos Navarro
PG - Dimitris Diamantidis

Second team:

C - Vladimir Tkachenko
PF - Andrei Kirilenko
SF - Dejan Bodiroga
SG - Vassilis Spanoulis
PG - Aleksandar Djordjevic

Honourable mention: T. Parker, D. Petrovic, N. Gallis.

This roster would beat last dream team, and would make a stand against original Dream Team.

Take Diamantidis out and replace him with someone that actually has an offensive game, and that's a good roster. But no way you can have Diamantidis as the lead guard.

He would get destroyed.

[Jameerthefear]

there is no collection of euro players that i could say would beat the dream team in a 7 game series

[Euroleague]

the problem with Euro teams is defending the 2 and 3. Historically there aren't many great or world class lock down defenders in those positions in Europe, mainly due to a completely different style of play. Potentially there are some that athletically could have matched (regardless of what people say here, ignorance mostly) but due to the different nature of the game in the old continent, they never got to explore that way of playing, at least, consistently.

offensively I don't think anyone questions they're at least on par (all aspects of scoring considered)

There are many great lock down wing defenders in Europe. They just are not coveted the same way in European game. That does not mean you could not easily find one or two and put them on a team if you wanted to.

It does not have to be 12 of the best players, just 10 of the best players, and 2 great role players fitting specific needs.

Example, someone like Pelekanos can guard any player in the world at 1,2,3 positions. He's the most freak European perimeter defender that ever stepped on a court anywhere.

No one would think to put him in a team, but if it is such an issue, you can put him there as an 11 or 12 man just to guard on the wings.

Same way you can pick just one guy for shooting if you wanted or an extra big man just for guarding switches and pick and roll, etc.

You can easily find elite defenders and pencil them in as help players.

[Rampis]

Your point guard position has great players, but no way in hell are they fitting to such a team. None of those players can play in a super team and do much of anything at all.

Just passing the ball, playing some D, and jacking up long 3s from the lead guard position would never cut it.

You are not only an idiotic troll but you also luck some basic history of the game...

Giannakis is one of very few players ever played the game with the highest IQ. From the early 70s until 84 when he transferred to Aris, he had plenty of 30 to 50 point games with his Ionikos team that as a 15, 16 and 17 year old brought them by himself from the A3 to A1 division. He still holds the 2nd highest point game in the Greak league with 73 points against Aris in 82 (with Galis). He is the only player in the history of the game that made the biggest adjustment when he transferred to Aris by allowing Galis to be the scorer and he did everything else necessary to win games. Galis would be nothing but a scorer without Giannakis... Similar to what Jordan would probably be without Pippen.

Valters was the point guard and leader of those 80s Soviet Union super teams and he still holds the record of most points ever made (69) in the unified Soviet league.

Papaloukas was just the leader of the 2005 & 2006 National teams that brought a gold and a silver medal making first team selections both years. Oh, and he was the point guard and leader on the only National team so far that beat the USA with NBA players... He's also the only player in history that has lead his team to 8 consecutive final 4 in the Euroleague.


You would have to have guys like Parker, Spanoulis, Jasikevicius or Djordjevic. Something like that.

Since the topic is about making a team to beat the Dream Team and there is only one Dream Team, the one in 1992... I can't imagine Parker or Jasikevicius doing anything at all against Magic, Stockton and Pippen.

Djordjevic is a winner and I thought about him... but at the end I don't think that he would hold better than my 3 selections against the Dream Team's point guards.

Spanoulis? I'll just take this as you trolling again and not as a serious selection...

[dhsilv]

real depth chart


Sabonis / Smits / Gasol
Nowitzki / Gasol
Kirilenko / Schrempf
Petrovic / Stojakovic
Ginobili / Parker / Dragic


the passing :eek:

kirilenko helps with defensive problems, though he'd have a tough time battling larry legend on the block. but starting gino at pg is the sort of unpredictable game time decision that would have the dream team scratching their heads just like they were in that first exhibition game

can't underestimate talent and chemistry like above, even against magic mj and larry. given a few months of playing together, and equal time given to the dream team, that series goes to at least six games.

but the dream team carries it. euro bigs stack up just fine against american bigs, even if they bring more unconventional assets to the table. but euro smalls are few and far between who could even functionally compete against magic and stockton and mj

Larry had a hard time STANDING in 92. He's not playing in this game. One of the things people forget about that dream team is that Bird was basically done and Magic was coming off a good bit of time off with the HIV issues. The team was a LOT more unreal on paper than on the court.

[Optimus Prime]

But nobody has listed the real all time Euro Team yet...

:biggums:

Vassiliis Spanelousloeus (he of 2.7 PPG and 0.9 APG)
Andrew Goudelock (D-Leaguer cut by the Lakers but averages 17 PPG on 54% shooting in Euroleague)
Anthony Parker (Euroleague GOAT and only 2x MVP winner in Euroleague history)
50-year old Dominque Wilkins
Jan Vesely

Easily dominates The Dream Team...no contest.

:bowdown:

[Euroleague]

You are not only an idiotic troll but you also luck some basic history of the game...

Giannakis is one of very few players ever played the game with the highest IQ. From the early 70s until 84 when he transferred to Aris, he had plenty of 30 to 50 point games with his Ionikos team that as a 15, 16 and 17 year old brought them by himself from the A3 to A1 division. He still holds the 2nd highest point game in the Greak league with 73 points against Aris in 82 (with Galis). He is the only player in the history of the game that made the biggest adjustment when he transferred to Aris by allowing Galis to be the scorer and he did everything else necessary to win games. Galis would be nothing but a scorer without Giannakis... Similar to what Jordan would probably be without Pippen.

Valters was the point guard and leader of those 80s Soviet Union super teams and he still holds the record of most points ever made (69) in the unified Soviet league.

Papaloukas was just the leader of the 2005 & 2006 National teams that brought a gold and a silver medal making first team selections both years. Oh, and he was the point guard and leader on the only National team so far that beat the USA with NBA players... He's also the only player in history that has lead his team to 8 consecutive final 4 in the Euroleague.



Since the topic is about making a team to beat the Dream Team and there is only one Dream Team, the one in 1992... I can't imagine Parker or Jasikevicius doing anything at all against Magic, Stockton and Pippen.

Djordjevic is a winner and I thought about him... but at the end I don't think that he would hold better than my 3 selections against the Dream Team's point guards.

Spanoulis? I'll just take this as you trolling again and not as a serious selection...


Basketball in the 70s and 80s in Europe was about 1/10 the level it is now you ****ing idiot. Euroleague of the 60s was pretty much on par with today's Chinese League, and the level in the 80s was not much higher.

That's why NBA players were doing good in Euroleague in their late 30s back then in Euroleague. Today they could not even get a damn contract in Euroleague and would be laughed at by a team if they even tried to.

And here you are claiming that the league is worse now than it was then.

And Spanoulis was the leader of thew 2006 Greek team not Papaloukas. He was the closer, leading scorer, first ball handler, got to player of the team. He also was the leading scorer of the game against Team USA and the player that had the ball the whole 4th quarter and closed the entire game down the stretch, getting the ball on every single possession, with every single play being run for him in the 4th quarter. NOT Papaloukas.

Which anyone can confirm through both the team and game stats and the videos which are easily available online, which PROVES you are a LYING PIECE OF DOG SHIT.

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/team/p/sid/3507/tid/291/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/accumulated-statistics.html

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/tid/291/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html

(and in NBA stat keeping, Spanoulis would have had about 5-6 assists also)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z00-WirJH2o

Stockton was injured and barely even played at all you idiot, which you would actually know, if you had actually seen any games, like you pretend you have ("I have watched games since the 70s"), but of course you are totally full of shit.

You are a clear cut psychopathic paid piece of shit propaganda troll.

[Euroleague]

Larry had a hard time STANDING in 92. He's not playing in this game. One of the things people forget about that dream team is that Bird was basically done and Magic was coming off a good bit of time off with the HIV issues. The team was a LOT more unreal on paper than on the court.

And that Stockton was injured.

When people always cite the Dream Team they never properly put that Bird was hurt and Stockton was out for half the games and barely even played at all. They always act like it was included with both players and at a normal level.

It was not. But they always pretend that when having these kind of discussions. Either that, or more likely, they are just lying trolls that don't know what the hell they are even talking about, and are just as usual, making up bullshit.

[90sgoat]

And that Stockton was injured.

When people always cite the Dream Team they never properly put that Bird was hurt and Stockton was out for half the games and barely even played at all. They always act like it was included with both players and at a normal level.

It was not. But they always pretend that when having these kind of discussions. Either that, or more likely, they are just lying trolls that don't know what the hell they are even talking about, and are just as usual, making up bullshit.

Croatia brought a fight to the Dream Team.

The Dream Team was great though, got me into playing bball.

The fact is, only 5 players can be at the court at any time and the game is played team vs team not 1 vs 1. FIBA rules are less forgiving.

[Smoke117]

And that Stockton was injured.

When people always cite the Dream Team they never properly put that Bird was hurt and Stockton was out for half the games and barely even played at all. They always act like it was included with both players and at a normal level.

It was not. But they always pretend that when having these kind of discussions. Either that, or more likely, they are just lying trolls that don't know what the hell they are even talking about, and are just as usual, making up bullshit.


The best Dream Team line up was with Pippen running the point anyway. A ball dominant pg like Stockton wasn't ideal for a team like this. A 92 Pippen would just embarrass any incarnation of Vspan. He wouldn't be able to do anything with him blanketing him.

[3ball]

The best Dream Team line up was with Pippen running the point anyway.


Pippen has never run the point in his life and he doesn't have the handle to do it for big minutes...

And once the game got tight, he would choke, just like he did in 1989 ECF, 1990 ECF, 1994 2nd Round, 1996 Finals, and 1998 Finals... Whew, that was a doozy (wiping my brow).

Magic runs the point.. That's obvious - anyone saying Magic can't guard quick PG's - who cares - he destroys them much worse on the other end..

There's no PG in history where you could say "Magic doesn't match up well with them", because they matchup WORSE with Magic.. There's a reason why Magic is the goat PG, and it isn't because KJ, Tim Hardaway, or Isiah were outplaying him, let alone whatever Euros you guys think Magic couldn't handle.

[Smoke117]

Pippen has never run the point in his life and he doesn't have the handle to do it for big minutes...

And once the game got tight, he would choke, just like he did in 1989 ECF, 1990 ECF, 1994 2nd Round, 1996 Finals, and 1998 Finals... Whew, that was a doozy (wiping my brow).

Magic runs the point.. That's obvious - anyone saying Magic can't guard quick PG's - who cares - he destroys them much worse on the other end..

There's no PG in history where you could say "Magic doesn't match up well with them", because they matchup WORSE with Magic.. There's a reason why Magic is the goat PG, and it isn't because KJ, Tim Hardaway, or Isiah were outplaying him, let alone whatever Euros you guys think Magic couldn't handle.

You have some serious issues when it comes to anyone who played with Jordan...and you have no idea what you are talking about. Pippen pretty much ran the Blazers offense and the last year in 2003 LITERALLY WAS THE STARTING PG, so don't tell me about what Pippen did and didn't do, chief. The only thing you have to say in regards to him is bullshit because you can't stand the fact that Jordan won 6 rings with a player commonly considered top 30 all time. Michael didn't do it all alone, okay?...get over it. This nonsense of yours is pathetic...I mean you said Pippen "choked" in 98 finals...how the **** is hurting your back, choking? Especially when he was one of the big reasons they won 3 out the first 4 games. You also love to bring up Pippen's stats in that 96 finals without noting the fact that he was dealing with an ankle AND knee sprain. I also love how you love to post the negative stats...but never mention how Pippen led all players in the playoffs in drating and defensive win shares in the 96 playoffs. You're even worse than these kobe stans...not even they go as far as you do to diminish his teammates.

[Euroleague]

The best Dream Team line up was with Pippen running the point anyway. A ball dominant pg like Stockton wasn't ideal for a team like this. A 92 Pippen would just embarrass any incarnation of Vspan. He wouldn't be able to do anything with him blanketing him.

Spanoulis would actually do much better against USA than against European teams. In fact, it is why he played well against USA.

Team USA won't use a non stop double team with a 3rd help defender assigned if their is a split of the double and/or a 4 to 1 man to man with one defender playing man on the ball, and the other 4 players being on a zone assigned to him the whole game (by far worse than any double team) like all the European teams do.

In those scenarios, teams can hold a player to 3-5 shot attempts in 40 minutes if they want, with most of them being highly contested and difficult shots. No matter who it is they are defending, they can make that the case, if they single out one player in FIBA. And refs and rules don't get you to the free throw line either in FIBA.

It's way easier to play against someone like Pippen straight up, than it is to play against those kind of defenses in FIBA rules, and where the whole team defense is set to stop you. In fact, it's not even close by comparison.

[Rampis]

And Spanoulis was the leader of thew 2006 Greek team not Papaloukas. He was the closer, leading scorer, first ball handler, got to player of the team. He also was the leading scorer of the game against Team USA and the player that had the ball the whole 4th quarter and closed the entire game down the stretch, getting the ball on every single possession, with every single play being run for him in the 4th quarter. NOT Papaloukas.

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/team/p/sid/3507/tid/291/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/accumulated-statistics.html

You are such a delusional troll! Being the highest scorer, especially at a 35% as it shows on your link doesn't make you the team leader...

Papaloukas is the only one from the team that was in the A-- tournament team as you can see on the link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship#All-Tournament_Team

Coach Van Gundy said it better and that describes Spanoulis carrier as a wanna be leader that only trolls like yourself he was:
"(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," .. "I feel badly for him. He feels he was misled. Frankly, he's been his own worst enemy in many ways. Some of it is excuses. His turnovers have been high; his fouls have been high; his shooting percentage has been low. I would rather anybody start out with self-evaluation — what can I do better? — versus lash out and blame".

[bdreason]

That team would get lit up.

[Euroleague]

[QUOTE=Rampis]You are such a delusional troll! Being the highest scorer, especially at a 35% as it shows on your link doesn't make you the team leader...

Papaloukas is the only one from the team that was in the A-- tournament team as you can see on the link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship#All-Tournament_Team

Coach Van Gundy said it better and that describes Spanoulis carrier as a wanna be leader that only trolls like yourself he was:
[B]"(Spanoulis) says, 'I was [Tracy] McGrady back home.' Great. McGrady is McGrady here," .. "I feel badly for him. He feels he was misled. Frankly, he's been his own worst enemy in many ways. Some of it is excuses. His turnovers have been high; his fouls have been high; his shooting percentage has been low. I would rather anybody start out with self-evaluation

[juju151111]

USalA has like a 95% win rate. The dream te isn't losing. The times the USA lost in the early 2000 they thought they could just throw a team together with barely any practice or chemistry/gamelan. Europe and other places got better. After USA refocused and took it serious again in 08. They haven't lost.

[90sgoat]

USalA has like a 95% win rate. The dream te isn't losing. The times the USA lost in the early 2000 they thought they could just throw a team together with barely any practice or chemistry/gamelan. Europe and other places got better. After USA refocused and took it serious again in 08. They haven't lost.

The US is 300+ million people.

Spain is the largest basketball playing country in Europe and they're 45 million and basketball is likely the 4th or 5th most popular sport.

[ShawkFactory]

Pippen has never run the point in his life and he doesn't have the handle to do it for big minutes...

And once the game got tight, he would choke, just like he did in 1989 ECF, 1990 ECF, 1994 2nd Round, 1996 Finals, and 1998 Finals... Whew, that was a doozy (wiping my brow).

Magic runs the point.. That's obvious - anyone saying Magic can't guard quick PG's - who cares - he destroys them much worse on the other end..

There's no PG in history where you could say "Magic doesn't match up well with them", because they matchup WORSE with Magic.. There's a reason why Magic is the goat PG, and it isn't because KJ, Tim Hardaway, or Isiah were outplaying him, let alone whatever Euros you guys think Magic couldn't handle.
:oldlol:

You are truly pathetic.

[juju151111]

The US is 300+ million people.

Spain is the largest basketball playing country in Europe and they're 45 million and basketball is likely the 4th or 5th most popular sport.
I never said anything and im talking about the whole everywhere else other then the U.S

[ImKobe]

Let's say international instead of just Europe



Sabonis/Yao
Dirk/Pau
AK47/Peja
Manu/Petrovic
Nash/Parker

now have them run Mike D'Antoni's system

that to me is the only way they could realistically outscore the Dream Team, because I can't imagine a line-up that could hang with them defensively, so the only option is to put a bunch of shooters and a legitimate big man around Nash to try to outscore them with a fast-paced offense that wouldn't allow Team USA to set up their half court defense.

[feyki]

Best roster to be ; Parker-Galis-Kirilenko-Dirk-Pau but they aren't win against dream team.

[julizaver]

Challenge, not just pick 5 guys but pick a team that would have the best chance of beating the last Dream Team.

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitski
SG - Drasen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicius

Bench: Detlef Schrempf, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Rik Smits, Toni Kukoc

Wow, such length, much 3 point shooting.

That team can shoot better than the Dream Team and with Arvydas, Gasol and Smits, there is always a huge 7 footer standing in the paint.

Replace Sarunas Jasikevicius with Tony Kukoc (his 93-pre NBA version) who could play PG and you have scary tall roster. And with pre-86 Sabonis in his physical prime there is a chance of beating the last US team. And as a 6th man you could add another Sarunas (Marciulionis). Sabonis and Gasol could be rotated so Dirk could play at PF, which is his best position. And when Sabonis is resting you can play small ball with Gasol at C, and Dirk at PF with Kukoc, Parker and Drazen.
I would add another forward Dino Radja instead of Smits. And I would also add Vlade Divac and Predrag Stoyakovic in order to complete the 12th man roster.
So the starting line-up would be:

C pre-86 Sabonis
PF Gasol
SF Tony Kukoc
SG Drazen Petrovic
PG Tony Parker

Young Sabonis and prime Gasol at PF could counter US big men. Tony Kukoc is the best match for SF position and with Drazen and Parker we have very efficient guards.
I remove Dirk from that line-up (because I would I want to have Twin Towers although I rated him as better and greater player than Gasol), but he would come first of the bench and would rotate him with Sabonis and Gasol. So he would have a good share of minutes.
Drazen Petrovic and Tony Parker I would substitute with S. Marciulionis who is proven scorer (injuries ruined his NBA career) and could have great impact at the bench.
Tony Kukoc replacement would be Predrag Stoyakovic, who was one of the best 3pt shooters in the league.

[fandarko]

Challenge, not just pick 5 guys but pick a team that would have the best chance of beating the last Dream Team.

C - Arvydas Sabonis
PF - Pau Gasol
SF - Dirk Nowitski
SG - Drasen Petrovic
PG - Sarunas Jasikevicius

Bench: Detlef Schrempf, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, Rik Smits, Toni Kukoc
.

Let Parker man the point, Peja play SG, Kukoc SF, Pau C and Dirk PF.

You have everything you need. Alternatively start Sabonis instead of Pau and Drazen instead of Peja.

[Rampis]

Being the first scorer of the team means he was the go to player of the team. Just as he was the leading scorer in the game against USA, and just as he finished all of the plays in the whole 4th quarter against USA. Just as I proved with what I posted.

Are you having a meltdown? If as you claim Spanoulis was the leader of that team, then why was Papaloukas selected in the All tournament first team and not Spanoulis?

All-Tournament First team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship#All-Tournament_Team

Anyways, that's not the point... the point is that you are trying so hard to promote a hardly top 40 among all time Greek players in Spanoulis and you are always getting mad and start manufacturing lies, manipulating facts and cursing when you are provided with links that prove you are lying.

Sorry but once again you got exposed my fried... Facts don't lie!

[Sakkreth]

Goat would goat on them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAqUQpROBfU

[Euroleague]

Best roster to be ; Parker-Galis-Kirilenko-Dirk-Pau but they aren't win against dream team.

That's a pretty horrible team on defense. Very small in the guards also. Dirk, Parker, and Galis are all highly questionable on defense, especially Dirk and Galis.

I don't think that's a very good selection at all.

[Euroleague]

Are you having a meltdown? If as you claim Spanoulis was the leader of that team, then why was Papaloukas selected in the All tournament first team and not Spanoulis?

All-Tournament First team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship#All-Tournament_Team

Anyways, that's not the point... the point is that you are trying so hard to promote a hardly top 40 among all time Greek players in Spanoulis and you are always getting mad and start manufacturing lies, manipulating facts and cursing when you are provided with links that prove you are lying.

Sorry but once again you got exposed my fried... Facts don't lie!

Because the media at the games (80% of them from USA and NBA media in case you did not know, votes for that. How the hell did you think someone like Goran Dragic or Kleiza got in the all tournament team you freaking gigantic colossal MORON?)

That's not a fact, that's someone's opinion. A FACT is the stat that Spanoulis WAS the leading scorer, go to player, closer, and the leader in the game against USA also.

You work for Giannakopoulos. Those are the facts. You call Spanoulis a not top 40 Greek player...............

Even the biggest hater in world history knows you are a paid shill.

Even at the premiere news conference of the Greek League they spent like an hour talking about all of the lawsuits and charges against that guy for his websites in foreign countries using people to post fake crap all over the internet.

Just STFU.

And Spanoulis has more accolades and accomplishments than Papaloukas easily and every single other Greek player of all history, except maybe Diamantidis. And you are saying he is not even a top 40 player of history.

NO ONE EVEN THE BIGGEST TROLLS AND NBA ONLY FANS HERE IS GOING TO BELIEVE YOU IDIOT

Now STFU and go suck Giannakopoulos' **** for another 5 euro.

[SHAQisGOAT]

No way they beat the DT... Shit, not even if you had the World's (without USA) all-time best players at their peak together.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Lol no ...

[Rooster]

Let Parker man the point, Peja play SG, Kukoc SF, Pau C and Dirk PF.

You have everything you need. Alternatively start Sabonis instead of Pau and Drazen instead of Peja.

Soft, soft, soft, soft, soft plus a crybaby.:facepalm


Jordan will lickin some chops on this one and Barkley will shoot on the high 80%.

[Rooster]

Are you having a meltdown? If as you claim Spanoulis was the leader of that team, then why was Papaloukas selected in the All tournament first team and not Spanoulis?

All-Tournament First team: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_FIBA_World_Championship#All-Tournament_Team

Anyways, that's not the point... the point is that you are trying so hard to promote a hardly top 40 among all time Greek players in Spanoulis and you are always getting mad and start manufacturing lies, manipulating facts and cursing when you are provided with links that prove you are lying.

Sorry but once again you got exposed my fried... Facts don't lie!

Billy stint as Greece captain was a colossal failure.:applause:

Diamintidis was the real leader and Giannis will take the torch from now on.:bowdown:

[Euroleague]

Billy stint as Greece captain was a colossal failure.:applause:

Diamintidis was the real leader and Giannis will take the torch from now on.:bowdown:

Neither one of them was ever the captain of Greece you non stop liar. And Diamantidis was never at any time in his life the leader of Greece's national team.

Spanoulis has more success, more achievements, more medals, more wins, more EVERYTHING by far with Greece's national team than Diamantidis does.

The only place on the planet that would even mention him compared to Spanoulis in terms of Greece's national team is the Giannakopoulos media empire, which is based in Belize in terms of net, so that it avoids all of the lawsuits and civil charges.

STOP DOING DRUGS

Even the Panathinaikos pro journalists in Greece don't ever dare mention Diamantidis and Greek national team, because he is mostly considered a disgrace/embarrassment in that regard.

Again. you PROVE what a colossal lying troll you are, that just makes up EVERYTHING. I was referring to Diamantidis' overall career, which is almost entirely based in his club career.

But since you are a complete lying troll, you jumped in to lie and start making up lies about Greece's national team, being baited on by a shill.

Newsflash genius, when Diamantidis retired from Greece's national team, there was nothing but hate all across almost all of Greece and he was scorched.

When Spanoulis retired, the entire Greek media deified him and glorified him, with only Galis having ever received anything like it.

This clown rampis is mad, because most of the huge media in Greece is now distancing itself from Giannakopoulis' media and their junk hatred "journalism" due to all of the civil and even criminal charges coming against them. So they can't get their filth endlessly published in all the major media anymore. And their endless attacks on Spanoulis are no longer being published either, while pro Spanoulis stories, like simply giving him credit for whatever he has done (like when he retired from Greece's national team) are now being printed. Whereas before, that would not have happened, and he would have been accused of all kinds of skulduggery and shenanigans, and worse.

These hater disease filled minds like rampis can't stand this. So they have to up the ante, just like you do. Next it will be, "Spanoulis is not even a top 3,000 Greek player. Why the hell is he being mentioned?"

This is the sasme clown that claimed Michalis Giannouzakos was "better than Spanoulis".............

This rampis should be your idol Rooster, he should be your role model, he should be your personal hero.